Why do i still serve you?

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kya yaar kuchh bhi likh dete ho

blue star(1984) 1000+ casualities
srilanka(1987) 1000+ casualities
kargil(1999) 1000+ casualities

ci ops ever since 1991 indian army is losing 1.5 soldiers everyday

are you joking mere bhai.

dusre ki thaali ka ladduu bada dikhta hai per bhai aapko to army waalon ki rukhi roti bhi radak rahi hai, khaane do bichaaron ko.
 
ravindra.singh said:
I slaute the Indian forces.

But I am not agree with this thread....Army officers get very good salaries, with subsidised canteens, 2-3 servants....free air and train tickets...almost free drinks and clubs....AND if you calculate the cost, it is much much higher than anyone who works for a private company...

This dis-satifaction is coming bcz " doosre ki thali mein ghee jyada dikhta hai.."

For the last 35 years...we havnt been any big war....so most of the officers retire without shooting a bullet on enemy....

This is not for hurting anyone....but this is true and facts based...
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Ravinder singh ji
i dont know which armed forces are u talking about
none of the officer purchases items from cantenn for not more than Rs 1500 in a month. the canteen facilities are used more by the civilians then the defence personnel
air ticket is free at a senior stage
rail ticket is free only once ina year
ask those who have to travel six days on foot and then two days in a convoy to reach nearest railway station and then also they dont get a confirmed ticket
free drinks are hardly any
club fees is also charged

i have many frens in forces and this is the fact
 
Do you love and respect your Armed forces?

You stay up for 16 hours;
He stays up for days on end.
You take a warm shower to help you wake up.
He goes days or weeks without running water.
You complain of a 'headache', and call in sick.
He gets shot at as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.
You put on your anti war/don't support the troops shirt, and go meet
up with your friends.
He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.
You make sure you're cell phone is in your pocket.
He clutches the cross hanging on his chain next to his dog tags.
You talk trash about your 'buddies' that aren't with you.
He knows he may not see some of his buddies again..
You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.
He patrols the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.
You complain about how hot it is.
He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his brow.
You go out to lunch, and complain because the restaurant got your order wrong.
He doesn't get to eat today.
Your maid makes your bed and washes your clothes.
He wears the same things for weeks, but makes sure his weapons are clean.
You go to the mall and get your hair redone.
He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.
You're angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.
He's told he will be held over an extra 2 months.
You call your girlfriend and set a date for tonight.
He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.
You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.
He holds his letter close and smells his love's perfume.
You roll your eyes as a baby cries.
He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if
they'll ever meet.
You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.
He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own people and
remembers why he is fighting.
You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of men like him.
He hears the gunfire, bombs and screams of the wounded.
You see only what the media wants you to see.
He sees the broken bodies lying around him.

You are asked to go to the store by your parents. You don't.
He does exactly what he is told even if it puts his life in danger.
You stay at home and watch TV.
He takes whatever time he is given to call, write home, sleep, and eat.
You crawl into your soft bed, with down pillows, and get comfortable.
He tries to sleep but gets woken by mortars and helicopters all night long.
If you support your troops, send this to 7 people.
If you don't support your troops well, then don't send this out. You
won't die in 7 days, your love life won't be affected, and you won't
have the worst day ever. You don't have to email this. It's not like
you know the men and women that are dying to preserve your rights.
 
ahlwit said:
i know so many officers of the defence forces who have got a well established family buisness and there is no requirement for them to join forces to earn their living, but they join for the pride and honour attached with the uniform.
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Absolutely True, for example our Jaipur Maharaja served in Indian Army.
 
One more question very much related to our national pride. As far as I know Major Dhyan Chand and Milkha Singh were the greatest sports stars of our army/nation.

Despite our armed forces are one of the best in the world, why Our hockey is dying, why there is no another Udan Sikh?

In civilian life there is fight for survival, But I dont think in Army it is there.
 
rajivsp said:
You stay up for 16 hours;
He stays up for days on end.
You take a warm shower to help you wake up.
He goes days or weeks without running water.
You complain of a 'headache', and call in sick.
He gets shot at as others are hit, and keeps moving forward.
You put on your anti war/don't support the troops shirt, and go meet
up with your friends.
He still fights for your right to wear that shirt.
You make sure you're cell phone is in your pocket.
He clutches the cross hanging on his chain next to his dog tags.
You talk trash about your 'buddies' that aren't with you.
He knows he may not see some of his buddies again..
You walk down the beach, staring at all the pretty girls.
He patrols the streets, searching for insurgents and terrorists.
You complain about how hot it is.
He wears his heavy gear, not daring to take off his helmet to wipe his brow.
You go out to lunch, and complain because the restaurant got your order wrong.
He doesn't get to eat today.
Your maid makes your bed and washes your clothes.
He wears the same things for weeks, but makes sure his weapons are clean.
You go to the mall and get your hair redone.
He doesn't have time to brush his teeth today.
You're angry because your class ran 5 minutes over.
He's told he will be held over an extra 2 months.
You call your girlfriend and set a date for tonight.
He waits for the mail to see if there is a letter from home.
You hug and kiss your girlfriend, like you do everyday.
He holds his letter close and smells his love's perfume.
You roll your eyes as a baby cries.
He gets a letter with pictures of his new child, and wonders if
they'll ever meet.
You criticize your government, and say that war never solves anything.
He sees the innocent tortured and killed by their own people and
remembers why he is fighting.
You hear the jokes about the war, and make fun of men like him.
He hears the gunfire, bombs and screams of the wounded.
You see only what the media wants you to see.
He sees the broken bodies lying around him.

You are asked to go to the store by your parents. You don't.
He does exactly what he is told even if it puts his life in danger.
You stay at home and watch TV.
He takes whatever time he is given to call, write home, sleep, and eat.
You crawl into your soft bed, with down pillows, and get comfortable.
He tries to sleep but gets woken by mortars and helicopters all night long.
If you support your troops, send this to 7 people.
If you don't support your troops well, then don't send this out. You
won't die in 7 days, your love life won't be affected, and you won't
have the worst day ever. You don't have to email this. It's not like
you know the men and women that are dying to preserve your rights.
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very true Rajiv Ji :):)
 
rajivsp said:
One more question very much related to our national pride. As far as I know Major Dhyan Chand and Milkha Singh were the greatest sports stars of our army/nation.

Despite our armed forces are one of the best in the world, why Our hockey is dying, why there is no another Udan Sikh?

In civilian life there is fight for survival, But I dont think in Army it is there.
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The Defence Forces have given very good sportsmen to the nation in various sports.
however, things have changed now.
It is not so that there are not good players in the forces but most of them fall prey to the politics being played outside, for which they are not trained.
Secondly, due to shortage of men and officers, it is difficult to spare them from the work
 
We all serve for our survival first...pride comes much later.....Every one in this country who is doing an honest job...be him/her a shopkeeper,a barber,a carpenter,a police man,an auto driver,a laborer,an IAS or any Babu,a kissan or a house wife........IS DOING A SERVICE TO THE NATION.......as regards to the degree of difficulties are concerned ..........Look at the Hydero power Companies in Himachal and Arunachal........Working conditions are much more challenging...also see the construction workers building multi storey buildings........the very site sends the chill in the spine of an onlooker.


Yes Defense forces operate in tough conditions...at least 30-40 percent all the times and the cause is noble and hense some deserved respect associated with the profession.Again it will depend upon the performance and moral standards of the Officer cadre in times to come as to how much respect the nation will pay..........But yes The salaries and perks are not bad....but not attractive enough to attract correct inputs.
 
seedhi-sacchi-baat

ravindra.singh said:
I slaute the Indian forces.

But I am not agree with this thread....Army officers get very good salaries, with subsidised canteens, 2-3 servants....free air and train tickets...almost free drinks and clubs....AND if you calculate the cost, it is much much higher than anyone who works for a private company...

This dis-satifaction is coming bcz " doosre ki thali mein ghee jyada dikhta hai.."

For the last 35 years...we havnt been any big war....so most of the officers retire without shooting a bullet on enemy....

This is not for hurting anyone....but this is true and facts based...
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Well, if we're talking about officers...Why do i serve......ha ha ha...hansi aati hai....matlab pay comission milega to hi .......

It's only the infantry jawans n officers, jo naveen bhai dwara likhi gai conditions me jyada rehte
hain.....infantry batallains eg. (rajput, jat, rajputana,punjab,gorkha,sikh, JKLI, Rashtriya rifles, and many more) and how much this constitues from the otherwise "thaath - baath" ke liye aane wale so called is dairy ko likhne wale officers.

Please don't male it applicable to all officers, only a handful of officers are into this condition..PLEASE GIVE THE PERCENTAGE of fighting n non figting forces ratio of officers...?????

baaki is vishay me kaafi kuch likhna chahunga.......

aur agar wo so called dairy wala officer agar fighting forces ka hai to theek uski baat jayaz hai...

nahi to agar use paise hi chahiye the to usne force kyun join ki.........aur abb bhagne ko kyunn tayyar hai.....aur mauka milte hi bhagega wo....aajkal jitne officers bharti nahi ho paa rahe hain, us se jyada.....paise ko dekh ke premature retirement le ke bhaag rahe hain...AB UNKA PRIDE aur DUTY TO SERVE the nation, motherland....kahaan gaya....

aur dusari taraf non-fighting forces ke officers hain, jo 5 * facilities avail karte hain..aur bina goli chalaye retire ho jate hain....aur log unhe figting forces wala fauzy samajthe hain....ki pata nahi kitni golian chalayi, khaai hongi aur operations kiye honge....

this topic has been diluted...

agar pay comission ki baat karni hai to... compare karna hai, to ek jawan aur officer ko karo.....
aur agar Pride, Esteem, loyality ki baat karni hai to, ek non-fighting forces ke premature retirement lene wale officer ko, jo private sector me lucratives offers ke liye , army ke kharche pe management courses karte hain MDI, IIM'S etc se aur bhaag lete hain....paise ke chakar me, apne so called desprem ko chhodkar...

aur ek fighting forces ke officer se compare karo, jo vastavikta me apne farz, imaan, aur motherland ke liye tough conditions me rehte hain, goliyaan khaate hain, aur shaheed hote hain....

navinbhai, tewatia sir,ahlawat bhai, dahiya sir...pls correct me if i'm wrong....and throw some more light....to let the ppls know the reality n facts..



AGAIN SALUTE TO ALL (ARMY/NAVY/IAF/BSF) OFFICERS AND JAWANS, Who are there at the borders all day n night to insure that we ppl could sleep safe.....
 
Sateynder...unfortunately people in the civil just do not know as to how our forces work.This is very unfortunate indeed.You can not be blamed AT ALL BECAUSE LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS THING.


Let me have my say in most s pacific manner:

Why we call jawans as becharas and feel that officers are stupid: This is very poor mind set outside the fence.how can one even think of a comparison between these two Categories? They have different qualifications and very different role in the organization.NO BODY IS BECHARA AT ALL.All get paid and looked after as per the Rank and role one plays.Officers do not carry any ill-will for the jawans...in fact they take pride in their training and other activities.


There is no 5* culture any where in army/navy /airforce........Its stupid to even feel that way.In my 32 years of long service,i never got that 5* treatment.......Very sad that people just throw their ignorance in plenty out here.

Services officers are no less hard pressed.....gone are the days when you could move freely....today in 90 % of India one has to move with personal weapon on...there are insurgencies and disturbances every where......In fact services officer has to Do patrolling and road openings in addition to his technical duties.Again a misconception.Services officers are every where..in RR,In Assam Rifles,In staff and on the move.Please get a clear insight into the things before making your knowledge public.


There are no body outside waiting for Service officers in the corporate world.......In fact 70% are the Infantry officers who are leaving army and most of them who are doing those courses at MDI etc are infantarians....and mind you only 20% people are getting some dignified jobs........SO please do not say that officers who take pre-mature retirement are greedy or selfish.........They are taking retirement after doing solid 20 years..which is no short span in years.And each individual has his/her preferences in life ...and HOW CAN YOU TAKE AWAY THAT RIGHT FROM FORCES OFFICERS.Defense forces are still the best service available to the youth provided he/she is ready to lump a little pain and separation.Govt is doing a lot for the welfare of defense forces and we just can not say that Govt is not doing enough.



Also sateynder, What a stupid statement you made saying.......MDI MEIN FAUZ KE KHARCHE SE COURSE KARTE HEIN.........bhai aur kiske kharche se karna chahiye......kya jabardasti karte hein........they go by rules set out by the Govt. Aur jabb unhonein Faujj mein ittani lambi naukkari karri hei tou resettlement CRPF kyun kreggi..? Please for God sake do not get carried away and make such kinda statement which appear childish( You are a budding young man..please read more about life and say things only when you are accurate and with details...else bakk-2 tou bahut karte hein....kindly remove these hatreds from your mind)




This talk of Pay Commission...etc is just a eye wash.....problems in the forces are of different types and magnitude rather than just the pay and perks.........It needs overhauling but Question is who will do that...?Time has its own set of principles and will apply itself appropriately and diligently.
 
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Thanks Dahiya sir for enlighten us. But I also heard that Jawans are exploited by officers in force and they are forced to look after their Gaay-Bhais(cows-buffalo)..........


with warm regards

rajiv
 
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Sorry sam

SORRY SAM, WE INDIANS NEED TO HANG OUR HEADS IN SHAME​

The passing away of the only Indian to be appointed Field Marshal when in active service has been remarkable for the warmth of the ordinary men and women, who queued up to say meebeenamet to the adorable dikra who put his life on the line for them.
It has also been remarkable for the complete lack of grace and gratitude, civility and courtesy, decency and decorum on the part of the bold-faced names rapaciously grazing the lawns of power in Delhi and elsewhere, for the brain behind India's only decisive military victory.
Sam, the Bahadur, had been unwell for a while now. From about 1000 hours on June 26, reports of his being 'critically ill' had appeared in the media. Yet, when the 'expected tocsin' sounded at 0030 hours till the guns were fired in salute around 1500 hours on June 27, 'civil society' chose to show its incivility.

  • Pratibha Patil, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces with all the time in the world: Absent
  • Hamid Ansari: Vice-president releasing books and writing reviews of books by fellow-travellers: Absent
  • Manmohan Singh, the prime minister who could do with a bit of the field marshal's charisma and heroism: Absent
  • Sonia Gandhi: daughter-in-law of the woman the field marshal called 'sweetie': Absent
  • L K Advani: prime minister in waiting of the party which would like to do to Pakistan what Manekshaw did: Absent
  • M Karunanidhi and Surjit Singh Barnala: chief minister and governor of the state which Manekshaw had made his home for 35 years: Absent

 
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Politicians may have their reasons. They always do. Maybe, there are issues like protocol. Maybe, this is one way in which 'civil India' shows the armed forces its place. Maybe, this is why we are not as militaristic as Pakistan. Maybe, the knees are just too old to climb the hills.
But what about the armed forces itself?

  • A K Antony: the defense minister 'now behaving like the chairman of the confederation of the armed forces' trade unions: absent 'due to prior political engagements'.
  • The chief of army staff: absent (away in Russia)
  • The chief of navy staff: absent
  • The chief of air staff (incidentally, a Parsi): absent
The fact that the defense minister was represented by his deputy Pallam Raju, the fact that the navy and air staff sent two-star general rank officers, shows that however high or mighty, however rich or powerful, civilian or military, if you should die as you must, you should do so somewhere in the vicinity of New Delhi -- or Bombay. Or else, they must have some use for you.
Or else, too bad.
As he rightly surmised once: 'I wonder whether those of our political masters who have been put in charge of the defence of the country can distinguish a mortar from a motor; a gun from a howitzer; a guerrilla from a gorilla -- although a great many of them in the past have resembled the latter.'
The contrast couldn't be starker:

  • When Amitabh Bachchan was ill after being socked in the stomach during the shooting of Coolie, Indira Gandhi flew down to Bombay to show her concern.
  • When Dhirubhai Ambani died, L K Advani cut short his Gujarat tour to pay his respects to an 'embodiment of initiative, enterprise and determination'.
  • When Pramod Mahajan was shot dead by his brother, Vice President Bhairon Singh Shekawat had the time to attend the funeral.
Our VIPs and VVIPs have time for dead and dying celebrities, charlatans, fixers. Not for a field marshal?
In his biography of K M Cariappa, the only other field marshal India has had (and who too died at age 94), the son writes of his father's cremation in May 1993:
'Honouring him in death as they did in life were Field Marshal Manekshaw, the three service chiefs all of whom belonged to the same course and at whose passing out parade from the joint services wing father had presided, the gracious chief minister M Veerappa Moily and C K Jaffer Sharief, Minister for Railways representing the President as the supreme commander of the armed forces.'
Somebody should have told the geniuses in Delhi that Sam, the Bahadur, passed away in Wellington, Ooty, not Wellington, New Zealand. The nearest civil airport is Coimbatore, just 80 km away.
If this is how we say goodbye to Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw, any wonder why Rang de Basanti could successfully tap into the angst of an entire generation?
 
sainder and rajeev, what you are saying is 'hearsay'. you cannot possibly understand the ground reality unless you put foot there.

service officers also fight and die (what wrong impression you have calling them bad names), a service offr has to serve first 2yrs in infantry and toughest terrain and insurgency areas, after that also they get posted to RR in kashmir and they dont supply food and ammo in 5* hotels, they do that to troops in all terrain and war.
my close friend and junior 'lt amit varma' left mba and joined army to die fighting kargil a few months later, he was in supply core.

when we were ordered out at 2am in peak cold for a countup, we were all dirtiest/choicest abuses for our senior/officer who ordered us out. the job is tough, juniors will only have abuses and grudges be it jawans or officers. that kind of an absolute authority is required to carry out the tough job of ordering your men to die and kill. you cannot make a parliament there where everyone will voice his grudges.
 

Only loosers can be jealous of the facilities our soldiers are getting. Infact we should raise our voice to get better money and facilities for our soldiers.

Others like us are contributing but indirectly.
 
Again misinterpretation of facts...

The discussion was between fighting forces officers and rest of army officers (jo do saal RR kaatne ke baad, baaki poori umar ASC ke scandels me lage rehte hain)..

also the wide gap between the facilty n monetary benifits between soldier and officer..

Again let me remind you: delhi police constables are getting better pay structure than our soldiers..

rest burning issues are:-
fake encounters by officers to get medals (aur jabki ek sipahi ko jab medal milta hai to use 3 din ashok hotel me rakhkar president se medal dilwakar, baaki poori zindagi baisakhi aur bed pe nikaalta hai, uske parivar, bachchon ko koi puchne wala nahi hota...), army scandels, misuse of goverment machinery, ketchup colonel, misuse of their powers, rising frustration levels of soldiers in disturbed area (they kill their officers), humilitation of women officers by male officers....
premature retirement of IAF pilot...

These issues are now being shown to common public through movies, hope you would have seen "Shaurya"...

and let once the pay commsion out, fir aap dekh hi lena kitne des premi officers premature retirement lene ke liye bhaagenge....

aur kitne deshpremi abhi bhaag rahe hain aur kitne bharti ho rahe hain...aur kitne hazaron officers ki shortage hai..

No doubts our SSB selection procedure is the best (yo diary likhan ala bera na kyukkar likad gaya:mad:), but aajkal deshpremi nahi mil rahe hain...aur jo deshpremi abhi recently 3-4 saal se gaye hain, wo apni dairy me likh rahe hain "Why do i still serve you......":thappad

"Written by a Fourth generation, 24 year old Career Officer in the Indian Armed Forces, spurred by the report of the 6th pay commission"


it's not the only about defence officer, it's also about the bright engineering graduates who join "BARC, NTPC, GAIL,DRDO,ISRO,CSIR etc....scientists n engineers ...they also could have got better pay packets in private domain, and their demands are more right n genuine....
 
Sateynder....it is not uncommon knowledge for public what you are trying to post here.it will be foolish on my part to try educate you on issues not on the very subject being discussed but also on how to put across your point in a public place so as to appear sensible and correct.


As per you all officers are stupid and corrupt and are not required...only jawans are needed and that all officers are exploiter of this nation and need to be hanged ...only jawans to be worshiped........please do not try to put words in the mouth of peole who have served with pride and with a kind of dignity and honesty that you might have not even dreamt in your life.........very poor taste and equally pathetic language........which family,clan or group does not have a handful of undesired people...........look closely in your own domain.............calling names to brave people just to take out your frustration will not make you any better......a few handfuls might sing your songs for such negative and rubish write ups but any one with a little common sense will understand your state of mind and pitty your knowledge and way of adressing an issue in public forum.I wish you Wisdom and lots of it please.
 
bhai satinder, 'shaurya' movie mere ek nda ke coursemate ne banaai hai. he was with me in NDA and was discharged for forgery and indiscipline. the movie idea is a copy from 'a few good men' a holliwood movie.
you are basing your opinion on a movie and hearsay. you are building on a self satisfying story.
let us leave the army alone and do what little we can for the society. Army is managing its work well.
you cannot understand a soldiers life unless you become one, you cannot understand an officers life unless you become one, he cannot go about appeasing his juniors, he has to order them.
ek company ke security guard, software engineer aur ceo ki salary and working conditions same nahin hoti hain.
 
now answer this ????

devdahiya said:
Sateynder....it is not uncommon knowledge for public what you are trying to post here.it will be foolish on my part to try educate you on issues not on the very subject being discussed but also on how to put across your point in a public place so as to appear sensible and correct.

As per you all officers are stupid and corrupt and are not required...only jawans are needed and that all officers are exploiter of this nation and need to be hanged ...only jawans to be worshiped........please do not try to put words in the mouth of peole who have served with pride and with a kind of dignity and honesty that you might have not even dreamt in your life.........very poor taste and equally pathetic language........which family,clan or group does not have a handful of undesired people...........look closely in your own domain.............calling names to brave people just to take out your frustration will not make you any better......a few handfuls might sing your songs for such negative and rubish write ups but any one with a little common sense will understand your state of mind and pitty your knowledge and way of adressing an issue in public forum.I wish you Wisdom and lots of it please.
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When did i say so, all officers are corrupt and should be hanged, and blah blah blah...????

Again misinterpretation of facts...


For other Government Scientists & Engineers
DRDO:Why do i still make missiles..weapons, tanks, air defence systems...???

ISRO:Why do i still make satellites..???

ARMY AMC Officers: Why do we still operate injured soldiers..??

BARC:Why do i still make india a nuclear self-reliant..??

BRO:Why do i still make make better roads on borders....??

IARI:Why do i still make better seeds, pesticides, agri development..??

IIV:Why do i still research on medicines, viruses...???

BELL, HAL: Why do i still make helicopters, planes...??

METRO: Why do i still make metro..???

B&R: Why do i still make roads n bridges..???

ONGC,SAIL, GAIL, etc: Why do we still work in tough condtions in remote areas..??

NTPC, HPGC: Why do still we make power for india...??


and lot's of WHY WHY WHY.....hue n cry ....by govt. officers (scientists n enginners)...

Aren't their demand more genine...


OR SHOULD THEY TOO STOP SERVING THE NATION................:rock:rock


The pay commission recommondations should take care of their otherwise well carrier growth, which they could have got, but they choose to serve their motherland.....and they shouldn't feel trapped...



and What is the alternative carrier path of a othewise defence officer, those who doesn't undergo resettlement carrier programmes sponsered by government , IIM's, MDI's, and that too while upon retirement????

and isn't our government paying separate perks n allowances to defence officers who are in the insurgency areas....??????????????????????????

what about those above mentioned government scientists n engineers, they aren't paid such allowances...??????? (except government medical doctors, who get separate non-practising allowances)

Please reply as per the above questions??? (and that too, if you have the answers, rather than diverting the topic) and also refrain making any personal comments, if you can't answer

To be continued..........(upon necessacity, and if i find some time to reply:D)

Nice thread....
 
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