Why I'm not "Proud to be Indian" kinda citizen !!

[upendersingh]

Who want to leave India for ever and like foreign countries they mostly talk like this about India, but sorry to say such people are mostly villain. I have come across a lot of such people in real life and reel life (in movies) too. Watch this video what a NRI (Pran) is saying about India :

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[samarkadian]

Calling someone as "being proud of" whilst thinking of the person as bad, corrupted and fallen is a lie.
Being proud of one's parents for giving birth is very different than the one being proud of his/her parents.

Being proud of someone is a big-thing. It's like happily taking the other person's place.

Oh ya.? But ya? Oh yes? But yes I am proud irrespectively. > Insert a proudy grin <

Nature does not distinguish between what is good and what is bad. Nature is neutral. If there exists a destroyer, there exists a preserver and a creator.

Things like ​ brutal rapes, blasting corruption, ever growing greed are destructive phenomena of humans which are unbalancing nature .

I see. Where are they not taking place ? > Again insert a grin<

Cool Down, Samar. Don't get high. Your statement itself is contradictory .. how could you compare parents with country?

Although Arvind Bhaisaab has explained really well in his recent replies to your this very post but I would also like to add my two cents. You know what, we the Indians live in a bubble, we carry false pride that we're the best .. ballah, ballah. "Kuwe ke mendak" would be appropriate term .. Na, wait .. now it should be "$hit ke mendak" and if you're proud of this $hit illusion I don't care either. But country as a whole I do care that's why I shared the poem at first place. Until we realize the fact that our beloved country is in deep $hit we can't work towards to pull it out of the filth.


And last but not the least, being emotional is good cuz' whenever it comes to love something be it a person or country .. you should feel from heart not think from mind.


Cheers
Jit

Oh yeah!! Lord, Mendak is still respected(Thanks for that), we actually are '' Kurdiya pe muh maarniye soors''. Hows that? But ask me. Again I am proud being a such a soor. >Insert proud soor smily<. By the way, how come staying civic-sensed-teary eyed-poetic heart help country in moving a mili meter ahead so I choose to stay a dumb proudy Indian. Again with simple reason that its my motherland and I am grateful to it. I cant be a ungrateful intellectual nitpicking every negative thing happening here. Lets see what others have a say about it.

Disclaimer:- Its not against NRIs. Being proud ( or say reverse of it) is not exclusive to natives or NRIs.

 

[cooljat]

Would like to share this wonderful speech by late Field Marshall SAM Manekshaw. He actually pin pointed the main area where we lacking, a country full of young people. Please go thro' his speech and think over it.


SAM Manekshaw on Leadership and Discipline

No longer are there excuses with the old political masters saying that the reason why we are in this state is because we were under colonial rule for 250 years. They turn around and say that the British left us almost fifty years ago. What have you done?

They point to Singapore, they point to Malaysia, they point to Indonesia, and they point to Hong Kong. They say that they were also under colonial rule and look at the progress those countries have made.

They point to Germany and to Japan who fought a war for four and a half years- whose youth was decimated and industry was destroyed. They were occupied, and they had to pay reparations; Look at the progress those countries have made. The youngsters want an answer. So, Ladies and Gentlemen, I thought I should give you the answer.

The problem with us is the lack of leadership.

Commandant, Ladies and Gentlemen, do not misunderstand me, when I say lack of political leadership. I do not mean just political leadership. Of course, there is lack of leadership, but also there is lack of leadership in every walk of life, whether it is political, administrative, in our educational institutions, or whether it is our sports organizations. Wherever you look, there is lack of leadership. I do not know whether leaders are born or made. There is a school of thought that thinks that leaders are born. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a population of 960 million people and we procreate at the rate of 17 million-equaling the total population of Australia-each year, and yet there is a dearth of leadership. So, those of you who still contribute to the fact that leaders are born, may I suggest you throw away your family planning, throw away the pill,throw away any inhibiting factor and make it free for all. Then perhaps someday a leader may be born.


http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/sam-manekshaw-on-leadership-and-discipline/



Cheers
Jit

 

[samarkadian]

Where does the great Sam restricted the audiences not to be proud of their country.?

Would like to share this wonderful speech by late Field Marshall SAM Manekshaw. He actually pin pointed the main area where we lacking, a country full of young people. Please go thro' his speech and think over it.


SAM Manekshaw on Leadership and Discipline

No longer are there excuses with the old political masters saying that the reason why we are in this state is because we were under colonial rule for 250 years. They turn around and say that the British left us almost fifty years ago. What have you done?

They point to Singapore, they point to Malaysia, they point to Indonesia, and they point to Hong Kong. They say that they were also under colonial rule and look at the progress those countries have made.

They point to Germany and to Japan who fought a war for four and a half years- whose youth was decimated and industry was destroyed. They were occupied, and they had to pay reparations; Look at the progress those countries have made. The youngsters want an answer. So, Ladies and Gentlemen, I thought I should give you the answer.

The problem with us is the lack of leadership.

Commandant, Ladies and Gentlemen, do not misunderstand me, when I say lack of political leadership. I do not mean just political leadership. Of course, there is lack of leadership, but also there is lack of leadership in every walk of life, whether it is political, administrative, in our educational institutions, or whether it is our sports organizations. Wherever you look, there is lack of leadership. I do not know whether leaders are born or made. There is a school of thought that thinks that leaders are born. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a population of 960 million people and we procreate at the rate of 17 million-equaling the total population of Australia-each year, and yet there is a dearth of leadership. So, those of you who still contribute to the fact that leaders are born, may I suggest you throw away your family planning, throw away the pill,throw away any inhibiting factor and make it free for all. Then perhaps someday a leader may be born.


http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/sam-manekshaw-on-leadership-and-discipline/



Cheers
Jit

 

[anilphogat]

Every country has some problems and to correct them you have to believe in it, for a country/community you have to be proud of it and this is the biggest reason that encourage you to do something for it. If you dont proud your country then you cant do anything good for it.

 

[cooljat]

No, he didn't restrict the audiences but at the same time he didn't boast either to take 'false' pride.

Anyways, would like to share a quote here -

“I could never understand ethnic or national pride. Because to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill, it’s a f**king genetic accident. You wouldn’t say “I’m proud to be 5’11”. I’m proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer.” So why the f**k would you be proud to be Irish, or proud to be Italian, or American or anything?”
— George Carlin

Where does the great Sam restricted the audiences not to be proud of their country.?

 

[rekhasmriti]

"
“I could never understand ethnic or national pride. Because to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill, it’s a f**king genetic accident. You wouldn’t say “I’m proud to be 5’11”. I’m proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer.” So why the f**k would you be proud to be Irish, or proud to be Italian, or American or anything?”
— George Carlin"

Good Quote indeed .
Now I m curious R u proud to be JAT ?

PS : You have all the liberty not to ans this question ?

 

[cooljat]

Ya! I'm proud to be Jat cuz' I live up to it. Being born in a Jat family merely not enough.
You must possess Jat qualities to be a "Real" Jat and prove your blood!

"
“I could never understand ethnic or national pride. Because to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill, it’s a f**king genetic accident. You wouldn’t say “I’m proud to be 5’11”. I’m proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer.” So why the f**k would you be proud to be Irish, or proud to be Italian, or American or anything?”
— George Carlin"

Good Quote indeed .
Now I m curious R u proud to be JAT ?

PS : You have all the liberty not to ans this question ?

 

[rekhasmriti]

Ya! I'm proud to be Jat cuz' I live up to it--------I may not have understood you I guess are trying to say "I'm ( NOT ) proud to be ( INDIAN )Jat cuz'(I DID NOT LIVE UP TO IT) I live up to it

Being born in a Jat ( INDIAN ) family merely not enough--------

You must possess Jat ( INDIAN )qualities to be a "Real" ( INDIAN )Jat and prove your blood!


I won't say these are clouded thoughts . We all agree things are not good but that does not mean we would loose hope and instead of fixing it start CONDEMNING our own mother land . I often ask this question to myself ------all I can do is crib which is easiest what have I done to fix it .......nothing --------

Anyways let me conclude " we agree to disagree "

 

[cooljat]

Where did I condem my beloved motherland? I advise you to read my posts again, anyways, in simple word it is - I love my country and proud of it but at the same time I won't take 'false pride' to see current pathetic condition of it. It's the people who make country not the country. Unless its people do care and give back to country, it can't remain Great.

It's about self-guilty and self-realisation!

Ya! I'm proud to be Jat cuz' I live up to it--------I may not have understood you I guess are trying to say "I'm ( NOT ) proud to be ( INDIAN )Jat cuz'(I DID NOT LIVE UP TO IT) I live up to it

Being born in a Jat ( INDIAN ) family merely not enough--------

You must possess Jat ( INDIAN )qualities to be a "Real" ( INDIAN )Jat and prove your blood!


I won't say these are clouded thoughts . We all agree things are not good but that does not mean we would loose hope and instead of fixing it start CONDEMNING our own mother land . I often ask this question to myself ------all I can do is crib which is easiest what have I done to fix it .......nothing --------

Anyways let me conclude " we agree to disagree "

 

[ssgoyat]

Ya! I'm proud to be Jat cuz' I live up to it. Being born in a Jat family merely not enough.
You must possess Jat qualities to be a "Real" Jat and prove your blood!

Bhai ye Real jat kaise hote hain... jara batayein...

Kahin aap ek purane member RABBU PANWAR urf ROYAL JAT OF INDIA ki rishtedari me to nahi? :stupid:

 

[ssgoyat]

PS : You have all the liberty not to ans this question ?

Aajkal jatland ki mahilaon/striyo/maatao behno...ko last me is tareh ki bat likhne ka chaska kuch jyada nahi bhaa raha ;-)

one more eg: (post # 70) in http://www.jatland.com/forums/showt...-in-rape-cases&p=337215&viewfull=1#post337215

 

[samarkadian]

No, he didn't restrict the audiences but at the same time he didn't boast either to take 'false' pride.

Anyways, would like to share a quote here -

“I could never understand ethnic or national pride. Because to me, pride should be reserved for something you achieve or attain on your own, not something that happens by accident of birth. Being Irish isn’t a skill, it’s a f**king genetic accident. You wouldn’t say “I’m proud to be 5’11”. I’m proud to have a predisposition for colon cancer.” So why the f**k would you be proud to be Irish, or proud to be Italian, or American or anything?”
— George Carlin

++

Nothing is above country. This ba$tard should be punished. Irony is muslims put their religion above all else and then whine why we are doubted on our nationalism. Bloody Traitors!

Jit, your shared quote seems to go opposite onto one of your another reply. Here you are very much sounding like an Indian or patriot or nationalist or whatever.

May be ( may be) we need to learn your perception of pride or false pride or whatever it is to start afresh on this discussion.

 

[abhikrana]

Good post bhai!

Only someone who holds his motherland close to his heart will feel pained and sorry for the state of affairs that the country has been brought to. Others will just say 'Chalta hae yaar' and conveniently look the other way!

Our nation has had a rich culture and history. We were once the sone ki chidiya, but leave aside the 'sone ki chidiya' we are not even an unfettered chidiya anymore with the Chidiya's (nation's and nationals') wings clipped by the Corrupt politicians (especially the Congress which has been power for over 55 years since independence).

We have all the resources - natural, manpower, intellectual, etc. but then the politics that has been unleashed since independence has marginalized the common man (masses) and enriched the politicians, industrialists, bureaucrats, etc.

With widespread and increasing corruption under the patronage of the political top brass, the day is not very far when India will unfortunately be a failed state -

1. India's neighbours take anti-India stance with China and Pakistan like wolves waiting at our borders for the Indian state to finally collapse.
2. Corruption compromising strategic defense (hardware) purchases thereby affecting defense preparedness. India stands no-where when it comes to China's military muscle or might. We can only imagine what will happen when China and Pakistan open a joint-front against India which is imminent in the short to medium time-frame.
3. Soft-pedalling on issues related to terrorism on account of minority appeasement makes Indian citizens sitting ducks (perceptually as well as practically).
4. A major tract of Indian land under the de-facto control of the Maoists where the writ of Indian govt. does not run. The reason for this the failure of governance to reach there.
5. Untamed inflation BECAUSE OF INSATIABLE HUNGER (FOR NATIONAL WEALTH) AND CORRUPTION OF THE RULING PARTY. No matter how much they burden the common man and raise the taxes or prices, the govt. coffers always remain EMPTY.
6. Truck-loads of nation's money being spent (pocketed by the netas) on countless Rajiv, Indira and Jawahar social schemes in which they have no accountability.
7. Etc.
8. Etc. List is endless

I am glad that you raised this issue because if there is a problem, it is time that we acknowledge that the problem exists instead of keeping silent and thinking and hoping that things are all rosy and hunky dory.

India is a rich nation, but the Indians are poor. Hope we do not rejoice in having high number of billionaires. It would be highly desirable that India has the least number of billionaires because that will lead to equal distribution of national wealth instead of its concentrating in the hands of a few politically and economically influential individuals or bunch of individuals.

I don't take pride in calling myself a Proud Indian. Reasons are many few are stated here by a sarcastic but hard hitting poem. I don't live in bubble and accept the fact our Incredible India is in deep $hit, thanks to so called "Proud Indians" and great "Gandhi Topi Netas". I would rather call myself an ordinary citizen with civic sense who's striving to give back to country.



किस बात पर गर्व करे ??


लाखों करोड़ के घोटालों पर ?
85 करोड़ भूखे गरीबों पर ?
62 प्रतिशत कुपोषित इंसानों पर ?
या क़र्ज़ से मरते किसानों पर ?
किस बात पर गर्व करे ??


जवानों की सर कटी लाशों पर ?
सरकार में बैठे अय्याशों पर ?
स्विस बैंकों के राज़ पर ?
प्रदर्शनकारियों पर होते लाठीचार्ज पर ?
किस बात पर गर्व करे ??


राज करते कुछ परिवारों पर ?
उनकी लम्बी इम्पोर्टेड कारों पर ?
रोज़ हो रहे बलात्कारों पर ?
या भारत विरोधी नारों पर ?
किस बात पर गर्व करे ??


महंगे होते आहार पर ?
अन्याय की हाहाकार पर ?
बढ़ रहे नक्सलवाद पर ?
या देश तोड़ते आतंकवाद पर ?
किस बात पर गर्व करे ??


जवानों की खाली बंदूकों पर ?
सुरक्षा पर होती चूकों पर ?
पेंशन पर मिलते धक्कों पर ?
या IPL के चौकों-छक्कों पर ?
किस बात पर गर्व करे ??


किसानों से छिनती ज़मीनों पर ?
युवाओं की खिसकती जीनों पर ?
संस्कृति पर होते रेलों पर ?
या क्रिकेट-कॉमनवेलथ खेलों पर ?
किस बात पर गर्व करे ??


साढ़े 900 के सिलेंडर पर ?
दुश्मन के आगे होते सरेंडर पर ?
इस झूठी शान पर ?
या 'इंडियन' होने की पहचान पर ?
किस बात पर गर्व करे ??


Think over it.

 

[arvindc]

Originally Posted by cooljat
Nothing is above country. This ba$tard should be punished. Irony is muslims put their religion above all else and then whine why we are doubted on our nationalism. Bloody Traitors!



There are lots of things which are above any country. Should we get fooled by such theories of greedy politician's who want to induce such pseudo-patriotism so that hey can rule over us with ease? Communities such as those of "marshal race" have suffered heavily due to this pseudo-patriotism.

Taking example of India. India did not gave me birth, and brought me up, it was humanity and the Nature/God. India, does not give me food to eat or air to breath, it's the mother earth.

 

[rekhasmriti]

"in simple word it is - I love my country and proud of it"

Lo ji ho gayee bat khatam. Isse kehte hai " Happy Ending " . Finally all the efforts paid off.

 

[rekhasmriti]

"There are lots of things which are above any country."

We all have heard this in our homes ( agar meine suna hai toh pakka sabne suna hoga )

Jo apne ghar ka nahi ho sakta , woh apne kunbe ka kya hoga , no kunbe ka nahi ho saka woh apne gaon ka kya hoga ......so on.....it ends with ......woh apne desh ja kya hoga

If I m not wrong for a common man only these things are above country , in many of cases people proved this theory wrong where they have put their motherland on the top.


"India, does not give me food to eat or air to breath, it's the mother earth."

Kinda agree - scientifically , Universal - Noble view -----WORLD with no borders - Perfect. However in practical Is it possible?
Why did we fight for Independence ---it is just piece of earth , Britishers had equal rights to be here . Why i need to have Visas , why we do not treat all equal India , Pakistan , USA , Ussr , n all

Kissi movie mei suna tha ----ko ja kar " JEWS " se poocho do they have any COUNTRY of their own . I can never relate to same , coz I have a country to which I belong .

WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT NATIONALITIES - nothing unfair with it N WE NEED TO PROTECT N FEEL PRIDE FOR SAME .

 

[rskharb]

Would like to share this wonderful speech by late Field Marshall SAM Manekshaw. He actually pin pointed the main area where we lacking, a country full of young people. Please go thro' his speech and think over it.


SAM Manekshaw on Leadership and Discipline

No longer are there excuses with the old political masters saying that the reason why we are in this state is because we were under colonial rule for 250 years. They turn around and say that the British left us almost fifty years ago. What have you done?

They point to Singapore, they point to Malaysia, they point to Indonesia, and they point to Hong Kong. They say that they were also under colonial rule and look at the progress those countries have made.

They point to Germany and to Japan who fought a war for four and a half years- whose youth was decimated and industry was destroyed. They were occupied, and they had to pay reparations; Look at the progress those countries have made. The youngsters want an answer. So, Ladies and Gentlemen, I thought I should give you the answer.

The problem with us is the lack of leadership.

Commandant, Ladies and Gentlemen, do not misunderstand me, when I say lack of political leadership. I do not mean just political leadership. Of course, there is lack of leadership, but also there is lack of leadership in every walk of life, whether it is political, administrative, in our educational institutions, or whether it is our sports organizations. Wherever you look, there is lack of leadership. I do not know whether leaders are born or made. There is a school of thought that thinks that leaders are born. Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a population of 960 mi





sir, I feel you lack in basics, slavary is still not gone out of your mind, sir country is before parents, parents may fail or do wrong but they remain parents and we have to be proud of our parent and the nation too., manaksha was a respected person but his statement was in different contest, infact he also said that had he been commander of pakistan forces the result of 71 war would have been different, do you agree with him, fronkly we have leadership, rules, expret, capable working force, but the real problem is of execution, at every step our execution is faulty, effected by religion, caste, area, favours, goonda elements and selfishness

 

[arvindc]

"There are lots of things which are above any country."

We all have heard this in our homes ( agar meine suna hai toh pakka sabne suna hoga )

Jo apne ghar ka nahi ho sakta , woh apne kunbe ka kya hoga , no kunbe ka nahi ho saka woh apne gaon ka kya hoga ......so on.....it ends with ......woh apne desh ja kya hoga

If I m not wrong for a common man only these things are above country , in many of cases people proved this theory wrong where they have put their motherland on the top.


"India, does not give me food to eat or air to breath, it's the mother earth."

Kinda agree - scientifically , Universal - Noble view -----WORLD with no borders - Perfect. However in practical Is it possible?
Why did we fight for Independence ---it is just piece of earth , Britishers had equal rights to be here . Why i need to have Visas , why we do not treat all equal India , Pakistan , USA , Ussr , n all

Kissi movie mei suna tha ----ko ja kar " JEWS " se poocho do they have any COUNTRY of their own . I can never relate to same , coz I have a country to which I belong .

WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT NATIONALITIES - nothing unfair with it N WE NEED TO PROTECT N FEEL PRIDE FOR SAME .

Who ever you are, your are around 30yrs old.

To add to the list, an individual's dignity is above any country; regardless of what Bollywood movies depict or what you have heard and believe.

 

[desijat]

]
To add to the list, an individual's dignity is above any country; regardless of what Bollywood movies depict or what you have heard and believe.

And that dignity gives you a right to put down your country?

It was said above that ""India, does not give me food to eat or air to breath, it's the mother earth." then why was this gentleman jumping so much about Ladakh issue? That part does not give any one anything, neither food nor water? Just because he had to do politics of different sort?

We are all being hypocrites here to choose our views selectively and be patriotic according to our wish and fancies