Why so much sympathy on Bangladesh??????????????

VirJ said:
Good question but there is a fundamental difference between Hindu and Muslim migrant. Hindu till 1971 was running away to save his and his family life. There is a humanitarian angle here as well as per international law you cannot deport somebody back to a country where there is a danger to his life. Muslim migration is purely for either economic reason or strategic reason.


As the governor of Assam says in his report we need to come out of this false secularism.
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I hope Swaich bhai will be able to understand this angle too
 
swaich said:
Threat to violence is unjustified and perps should be punished.

Support for refugees isn't limited to Muslims alone. We have people here advocating India sheltering to all Hindu refugees too (eg. one post in this thread). Can't use different yardsticks.


On a side note - I wonder if the same noises about illegal BD migration would have been made if the majority of BD migrants would have been Hindu instead of Muslims. In fact uptill 1971, most of the illegal BD migrants into Assam were Hindu escaping religious persecution. I guess no questions asked about them since they were Hindu.
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Quite predictable!!!

So you want same yardstick for Hindu & Muslim , well ... for sake of this secular constitution I agree with you. But do you want same yardstick for a minority community ( Hindu ) seeking refugee status to save them or their generation from sectarian persecution & a majority community ( Muslims ) already persecuting minority in their country illegally flooding Indian states,changing the demographics, indulging in violence here, posing a threat to internal security as well as external.

Moreover, a country like India where our compatriots live in refugee status in many parts and we have resources crunch & burden of population we can't afford to award refugee status in mass. If we have to, then it could be given to someone on humanitarian grounds if individual or his/her community is facing a political,sectarian pogrom there. On the basis of my study about geopolitical situation around India, the list can include Hindus, Muslims ( Ahmedi,Shia ). On the contrary, our Pseudo secular Congress government & establishment throwing away refugee status to hardcore Islamists working for a strategy to change the demographics as mentioned in the letter of governer shared by you. They do riots, involve in terrorism & kill our own people either by violence or by resource crunch.
 
VirJ said:
Good question but there is a fundamental difference between Hindu and Muslim migrant. Hindu till 1971 was running away to save his and his family life. There is a humanitarian angle here as well as per international law you cannot deport somebody back to a country where there is a danger to his life. Muslim migration is purely for either economic reason or strategic reason.


As the governor of Assam says in his report we need to come out of this false secularism.
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I see your point. I also assume its hard to verify the details of all the migrants if they indeed had a threat to life (to what degree?). And to what extent we take responsibility for whats happening in the neighboring country? And if tomorrow, other communities facing persecution - Shias, Ahmedias in Pakistan seek refugee status, would the right wing groups allow it?

But irrespective of the objective of the migration, we are saddled with millions of extra people.

False secularism is as dangerous as the communalism. Both need to be stamped out.
 
Yes, I as an Indian am well within my rights to decide who is to stay in my country and who not. And also well within my rights to pressurize these thick skinned politicians to act.

I fully support what Somnath Bharti did.

I also fully believe in what Modi says INDIA FIRST and INDIANS FIRST.

swaich said:
Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they can't live here if they have valid visas.
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RathiJi said:
Quite predictable!!!

So you want same yardstick for Hindu & Muslim , well ... for sake of this secular constitution I agree with you. But do you want same yardstick for a minority community ( Hindu ) seeking refugee status to save them or their generation from sectarian persecution & a majority community ( Muslims ) already persecuting minority in their country illegally flooding Indian states,changing the demographics, indulging in violence here, posing a threat to internal security as well as external.

Moreover, a country like India where our compatriots live in refugee status in many parts and we have resources crunch & burden of population we can't afford to award refugee status in mass. If we have to, then it could be given to someone on humanitarian grounds if individual or his/her community is facing a political,sectarian pogrom there. On the basis of my study about geopolitical situation around India, the list can include Hindus, Muslims ( Ahmedi,Shia ). On the contrary, our Pseudo secular Congress government & establishment throwing away refugee status to hardcore Islamists working for a strategy to change the demographics as mentioned in the letter of governer shared by you. They do riots, involve in terrorism & kill our own people either by violence or by resource crunch.
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Migration is migration. Either for refugee status or for economic reasons. In the end we are saddled with the extra millions. We can't take responsibility for every minority in every country that shares borders with us.
 
Friends,

Would it not be better if we opt to discuss the topic of thread instead of discussing the persons and their likes and dislikes here !

Thanks and regards
 
swaich said:
Migration is migration. Either for refugee status or for economic reasons. In the end we are saddled with the extra millions. We can't take responsibility for every minority in every country that shares borders with us.
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Do you see everything Black & White or just dont understand geopolitical situation ?

No country in this world can avoid migration completely, populated or not, rich or poor, US or France, Israel or Russia. The fact of the matter is to allow those infiltrators to become refugee who have past record of posing security threat & demographic threat to the nation.

A failed state like Pakistan also could not avoid granting refugee status to Afghans may be because of religion, neighborhood or foreign policy.
 
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swaich said:
I see your point. I also assume its hard to verify the details of all the migrants if they indeed had a threat to life (to what degree?). And to what extent we take responsibility for whats happening in the neighboring country? And if tomorrow, other communities facing persecution - Shias, Ahmedias in Pakistan seek refugee status, would the right wing groups allow it?

But irrespective of the objective of the migration, we are saddled with millions of extra people.

False secularism is as dangerous as the communalism. Both need to be stamped out.
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What is your point here?

Burden caused by migration regardeless of which religion..

or Right wing not opposing Hindu migration but opposing illegal muslim migration?
 
VirJ said:
What is your point here?

Burden caused by migration regardeless of which religion..

or Right wing not opposing Hindu migration but opposing illegal muslim migration?
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Swaich point is quite clear..muslims are son of Allah...everything they do is correct....swaich will bring some logic even from the seveth sky to defend Muslims to any extent, doesn't matter theya re wrong or right. You should habe understood it so far :)..kyoun bhai swaich..theek kahi ek na..
 
VirJ said:
What is your point here?

Burden caused by migration regardeless of which religion..

or Right wing not opposing Hindu migration but opposing illegal muslim migration?
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The point was that we can't say for sure if all Hindus were running away due to threat to life. We have no way to verify if someone (in these case millions) had a threat to life. With ISI so good at infiltrating, how high are the chances that infiltrators can come in the garb of Hindu refugees?

Hence, giving exception to millions based on their religion or perceived persecution isn't justified and as bad as illegal migration due to other reasons.
 
prashantacmet said:
Swaich point is quite clear..muslims are son of Allah...everything they do is correct....swaich will bring some logic even from the seveth sky to defend Muslims to any extent, doesn't matter theya re wrong or right. You should habe understood it so far :)..kyoun bhai swaich..theek kahi ek na..
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Precisely. You are right. I always claim the same logic as you mentioned. Its there in countless posts of mine.

Next time I will outsource writing replies to posts to you as I am sure you are very good at forecasting what I am going to write. I hope you won't mind writing on my behalf.
 
RathiJi said:
Do you see everything Black & White or just dont understand geopolitical situation ?

No country in this world can avoid migration completely, populated or not, rich or poor, US or France, Israel or Russia. The fact of the matter is to allow those infiltrators to become refugee who have past record of posing security threat & demographic threat to the nation.

A failed state like Pakistan also could not avoid granting refugee status to Afghans may be because of religion, neighborhood or foreign policy.
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Precisely, my point. Illegal migration is hard to control whether due to religious persecution or economic hardships. We can't view Hindu and Muslim migration by a different view point when they are both increasing our burden.

Pakistan tried to get a benefit out of the refugee Afghans by first supporting the Yanks against the Russkies and then seizing control via Taliban. Its another matter most Afghans hardly recognized the Durand line and were according to them in their own historical Pashtun lands.
 
swaich said:
Precisely, my point. Illegal migration is hard to control whether due to religious persecution or economic hardships. We can't view Hindu and Muslim migration by a different view point when they are both increasing our burden.

Pakistan tried to get a benefit out of the refugee Afghans by first supporting the Yanks against the Russkies and then seizing control via Taliban. Its another matter most Afghans hardly recognized the Durand line and were according to them in their own historical Pashtun lands.
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We view it by a complete different viewpoint because of better understanding of historic, strategic, internal security of India. We are a majority religion will form a government who will bow to us & grant refugee status with our consent & to showcase our hostile neighbors in a bad light . Understand!!!!

In some other thread by you, I read that million of Muslims or million of Hindu refugees causing problems & burden. Please provide some evidence like letter of Assam governor that million of Hindu refugees infiltrating & changing the demographics strategically, involved in violence with local community & involved in anti national activities.


PS :- As per modern history we have seen muslims & sikhs involved in anti-national activities causing problem for India. ISI is very smart it uses Muslims & used Sikhs but could never use Hindus against India.
 
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swaich said:
The point was that we can't say for sure if all Hindus were running away due to threat to life. We have no way to verify if someone (in these case millions) had a threat to life. With ISI so good at infiltrating, how high are the chances that infiltrators can come in the garb of Hindu refugees?

Hence, giving exception to millions based on their religion or perceived persecution isn't justified and as bad as illegal migration due to other reasons.
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True we can't say for sure whether Hindus are genuine refugee or not and that is why Govt is not giving them free Visa. Their cases are reviewed on individual basis. Lot of Pakistani Hindus do get sent back. It up to Govt to decide on this. Hindus were accepted as genuine refugee prior to 1971 because there were genuine reasons.

However there is no reason for Muslims to take refuge in India on humanitarian grounds. We accepted Hindus partly because of History as we'll not just on humanitarian ground. There are Hindus in Nepal and Fiji and they were not given the same treatment as Hindus from Pakistan and Bangladesh.

Refugee and and illegal immigration are two different things. What we see in Assam and Kashmir is a well planned infiltration and most of these are Muslims. Govt not only failed to control this but now even trying to legalise them.
 
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swaich said:
Precisely. You are right. I always claim the same logic as you mentioned. Its there in countless posts of mine.

Next time I will outsource writing replies to posts to you as I am sure you are very good at forecasting what I am going to write. I hope you won't mind writing on my behalf.
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matlab ...kuch kuch PR aala kaam..mheene ke 50 ek hazaar to dega iss kamm ke ek na :)
 
[h=1]Dividing the aliens: Modi distinguishes between Hindu and Muslim Bangladeshi immigrants
--Read More At:[/h]
Even after travelling to the opposite end of India from Gujarat, Narendra Modi couldn’t give up his Muslim-phobia. Speaking in the Assam rally on February 22, 2014, Modi raised a battle cry against the Bangladeshi immigrants (he calls them infiltrators) in India but Modi went on to add that all Hindus from Bangladesh were welcome and should be settled in every Indian states with dignity. He tweeted twice on this issue which are reproduced below:

Narendra Modi bares his communal fangsWhile no exception can be made that ‘infiltrators’ from a separate country are not welcome, can anyone in the same breath be heard saying that ‘infiltrators’ belonging to particular religion are still welcome and will be settled with dignity? Has Modi lost all sense of statesmanship? Imagine a scenario in which our Border Security Force jawans lining up the ‘infiltrators’ at the Bangladesh border and letting the Hindus cross over and pushing back the Muslims! May be the Modi Government will employ Hindu sadhus at the Border to certify the religion of the infiltrator!
The same communal bias can be noticed in his invitation to Taslima Nasreen , the rebel Bangladeshi writer who was hounded out of Bangladesh for writing against the Muslim fundamentalism. Way back on 27th November 2007, while speaking in an election meeting at Botad, Modi invited Taslim to come over to Gujarat. He said:
Taslima has been courageous in speaking out against fundamentalists. If the Central government cannot look after her, send her to Gujarat. The people and government of Gujarat will look after her. I have the courage to protect her.

Narendra Modi Invites Taslima to GujaratWhile it is the duty of the Indian state to protect Taslima who is being hounded by the fundamentalist forces, but can that be the only reason to permit a Bangladeshi Muslim into India?
--Read More At:http://www.truthofgujarat.com/divid...nguishes-hindu-muslim-bangladeshi-immigrants/
 
Some people are in the habit of not only babbling but also act as self appointed moderators who take upon themselves which post deserves a fitting reply and which post is to be certified as legitimate.

These are the people despite themselves being Indians (though only officially) carry grudges against Hindus in particular and Indians in general. Their modus operandi is as follows:
1. First ask for support/proof and supporting evidence.
2. When support/proof is provided, the same is certified as not credible.
3. When even that does not work, call the other person's post rant.

These people are in a habit of ambushing or hijacking any logical discussion. They follow the typical gameplan of their patron party - the Congress. If the blames comes on to the Congress, divert the attention of the public, create a crisis, so that people get busy firefighting instead of paying attention to the misdeeds of the Congress.

I did not want to get down to this level, but it seems I will now have to get a little dirty myself to clean the dirt which a few members are spreading on JL by getting personal. Only hope that the moderators do not continue with their prejudiced attitude as they have so far selectively deleted my posts only.
 
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