Why so much sympathy on Bangladesh??????????????

VirJ said:
When Hindus were sending their sons to serve Sikhi I don't think they considered Sikhi as a separate religion. Even today Sikh visit hindu temples freely and Hindu visit Sikh Gurudwaras without hesitation.

Are you saying Hindus sent their own sons to Sikhi to save themselves ? But then we sent our sons to Army to protect us as well. How does this work that till one point it wasn't considered a separate religion and after that it was. Even Arya Samaj denounce lot of Bhramnic rituals but they don't consider the self separate religion.
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Definitely there was and there is a fine bonding among sikhs and hindus..i don't deny that

arya samajis don't consider themselves as a separate religion but sikhs do and they are..even constitution of India recognizes them a separate religion and sikhs fought for it.. and question is not what hindus think but how majority of sikhs perceive it and reason lies in khalsa formalization..

anyway leave this topic now, I may be wrong in few of my evaluations and let the people carry on their discussion...aur aaj reservation mil gaya..badhai ho bhai sabko
 
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swaich said:
Clearly - the attempt to have a better discussion is futile. Sikhs and Muslim fundamentalist organizations are communal too, just like RSS. Why I talk about them is because the discussion is usually that way or someone is making an attempt to just blame one religion. Its essential to show all religions and its so called thekedar organizations are communal and mentally corrupt.

Can be superficial as I am not CBI or anything. What seems fair to me can be judgemental for others like you. But this goes both ways.
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Please provide a list terrorist, communal activities carried out by RSS like Babbar Khalsa International, LET, IM etc. The numerous killings of other religions like of Hindus carried out by these several groups in various attacks. The number of terrorist accussed of RSS with no of convicted ones like Sikh & muslim terrorist lodged in various jails & executed. Give some proof of RSS conspiring with Pakistan & ISI like Sikh & muslim militant groups. Give any proof of funding to RSS by hostile countries like muslim & sikh militant group. Please also provide some incidents like Kanishka bombings & IC 814 done by RSS. Please provide the example of ethnic cleansing of Hindus done by Muslims in J&K , done by RSS.

Please provide the reason of Congress leader Nehru who paved so called secular foundation inviting RSS for republic day parade in 1963. What was the reason? National or anti-national? Communal or Secular ?
 
swaich said:
By overlook you mean not condemn it or write about it as much as you. I agree. But that doesn't mean I support it. Just because I don't start threads about Congress and its misdeeds doesn't mean it doesn't matter to me.

We focus on issues that are more important to us than others.

Show me a post where I called Hindus as communal. I called RSS and its allied organizations communal. Thats not the same because RSS or BJP doesn't represent all Hindus even though they claim to do so. If they did, BJP would have won every election in every constituency where Hindus have a sizeable majority.
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Okay.. What you call Hindus of Rajasthan, MP, CG , GOA, Punjab or where ever they win elections? What you call those Hindus who voted for BJP in present in past to power in center & various states ? Communal or Secular.

As by seeing the trends on Jatland & various polls done here in different threads. Most of us even max. Voted in favour of BJP for upcoming general elections ? What you call them? Communal or Secular.
 
Please specify the crime of RSS before labeling it communal. It has become fashionable to criticize and abuse RSS just like it's fashionable to call the khaps kangaroo or talibani courts.



swaich said:
Clearly - the attempt to have a better discussion is futile. Sikhs and Muslim fundamentalist organizations are communal too, just like RSS. Why I talk about them is because the discussion is usually that way or someone is making an attempt to just blame one religion. Its essential to show all religions and its so called thekedar organizations are communal and mentally corrupt.

Can be superficial as I am not CBI or anything. What seems fair to me can be judgemental for others like you. But this goes both ways.
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prashantacmet said:
Definitely there was and there is a fine bonding among sikhs and hindus..i don't deny that

arya samajis don't consider themselves as a separate religion but sikhs do and they are..even constitution of India recognizes them a separate religion and sikhs fought for it.. and question is not what hindus think but how majority of sikhs perceive it and reason lies in khalsa formalization..

anyway leave this topic now, I may be wrong in few of my evaluations and let the people carry on their discussion...aur aaj reservation mil gaya..badhai ho bhai sabko
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Its not about how certain Sikhs view them it is about what is reality. Its in their interest to call themself separate religion. Anyway Thanks for your view. Congrats to you too.
 
RathiJi said:
Please provide a list terrorist, communal activities carried out by RSS like Babbar Khalsa International, LET, IM etc. The numerous killings of other religions like of Hindus carried out by these several groups in various attacks. The number of terrorist accussed of RSS with no of convicted ones like Sikh & muslim terrorist lodged in various jails & executed. Give some proof of RSS conspiring with Pakistan & ISI like Sikh & muslim militant groups. Give any proof of funding to RSS by hostile countries like muslim & sikh militant group. Please also provide some incidents like Kanishka bombings & IC 814 done by RSS. Please provide the example of ethnic cleansing of Hindus done by Muslims in J&K , done by RSS.

Please provide the reason of Congress leader Nehru who paved so called secular foundation inviting RSS for republic day parade in 1963. What was the reason? National or anti-national? Communal or Secular ?
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Communal? Their very insistence on Hindutva as the pervasive ideology for all Indians is communal.

Terrorism? Starting from the assassination of Gandhi to almost every major Hindu-Muslim riots in India, RSS and its allied parties Bajrang Dal, VHP have been in action. The list is endless.
 
RathiJi said:
Okay.. What you call Hindus of Rajasthan, MP, CG , GOA, Punjab or where ever they win elections? What you call those Hindus who voted for BJP in present in past to power in center & various states ? Communal or Secular.

As by seeing the trends on Jatland & various polls done here in different threads. Most of us even max. Voted in favour of BJP for upcoming general elections ? What you call them? Communal or Secular.
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What will call those who voted for Congress? All traitors and pseudo-secular?
 
It is a very vague allegation against RSS, VHP, etc. It seems more of propaganda campaign orchestrated by the Congress and its supporters to mystify the minds of the educated Indians, primarily Hindus.

swaich said:
Communal? Their very insistence on Hindutva as the pervasive ideology for all Indians is communal.

Terrorism? Starting from the assassination of Gandhi to almost every major Hindu-Muslim riots in India, RSS and its allied parties Bajrang Dal, VHP have been in action. The list is endless.
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So, you mean to say that Sukhram was indicted, hence, the entire Congress is corrupt.
Raja is being proceeded against in courts, so entire DMK is corrupt.

Similarly, a few men are criminals, so the entire mankind is criminal?????

There are good and bad people everywhere, but painting the entire institution/organisation with the same brush is highly unfortunate and wrong.

Those were riots lead by hate mongers from both the communities from both the sides. I am sure there must be people from various professions involved. The entire profession cannot be blamed for the misdeed of a few practitioners of that profession.

Hindu life is cheap in the eyes of educated Indians including you. Nobody cries so vehemently for the burning of bogey full of helpless and innocent women and children trapped inside it. You see the pain only of one community. Now tell me who is communal??



swaich said:
I am sure you know of Babu Bajrangi. Propaganda?
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AbhikRana said:
So, you mean to say that Sukhram was indicted, hence, the entire Congress is corrupt.
Raja is being proceeded against in courts, so entire DMK is corrupt.

Similarly, a few men are criminals, so the entire mankind is criminal?????

There are good and bad people everywhere, but painting the entire institution/organisation with the same brush is highly unfortunate and wrong.

Those were riots lead by hate mongers from both the communities from both the sides. I am sure there must be people from various professions involved. The entire profession cannot be blamed for the misdeed of a few practitioners of that profession.

Hindu life is cheap in the eyes of educated Indians including you. Nobody cries so vehemently for the burning of bogey full of helpless and innocent women and children trapped inside it. You see the pain only of one community. Now tell me who is communal??
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Not only this they went to the level where they tried to justify that "fire was ignited from inside", Remember Lalu(Railway Minister at that time)started investigation for this.
 
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देश विभाजन के समय पश्चिमी भारत एवं पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश के अधिकांश मुस्लिम पश्चिमी पाकिस्तान चले गये।
वहाँ से अधिकांश हिन्दू भी भारत आये तथा भीषण नरसंहार भी हुआ जिसकी आज तक चर्चा होती है।
तदनुरुप पूर्वाँचल,बिहार एवं पूर्वी भारत के अन्य मुस्लिम भी पूर्वी पाकिस्तान को गये।
पश्चिमी पाकिस्तान मेँ गये मुस्लिमोँ को मुजाहिर कहा गया और उनके साथ दोयम दर्जे का व्यवहार किया गया।
जिसके विरोध मेँ भारतीय मुस्लिमोँ ने अल्ताफ हुसेन के नेतृत्व मेँ वर्षोँ तक "मुजाहिर कौमी" आंदोलन चलाया गया।
अल्ताफ हुसेन को निर्वासित किया गया,
आंदोलन क्रमशः क्षीण होता गया तथा निर्वासन मे ही अल्ताफ हुसेन की मृत्यु हो गयी और मुजाहिर कौमी एकता आंदोलन ठंढा पड़ गया।
पूर्वी पाकिस्तान की स्थिति भिन्न थी,वहाँ गये भारतीय मुस्लिमोँ ने पाकिस्तानी शासकोँ के साथ मिलकर मूल बाँगलादेशी नागरिकोँ पर घोर अत्याचार किया क्योँकि मूल बांगलादेशी बांगला भाषा को प्राथमिकता देते थे,धोती साड़ी उनका पहनावा था।
मूल बांगलादेशी कभी नही चाहते थे कि वहाँ के शेष हिन्दू भारत आयेँ।
पाकिस्तानी शासकोँ के अत्याचार से त्रस्त वहाँ की जनता ने शेख मुजीबुर रहमान (वर्तमान प्रधान मंत्री शेख हसीना वाजिद के पिताश्री) के नेतृत्व मेँ पाकिस्तानी शासकोँ के विरुद्ध आंदोलन छेड़ा गया।
इस आंदोलन को भारत (इंदिरा गाँधी) का भी समर्थन प्राप्त था, फलस्वरुप भारत के सैन्य सहयोग से 1971 मेँ पाकिस्तान से भीषण युद्ध हुआ।
स्वतंत्र बांगलादेश अस्तित्व मेँ आया और शेखमुजीबुर रहमान प्रधान मंत्री बने।
पाकिस्तान मेँ भी सत्ता बदली एवं जुल्फीकार अली भुट्टो भारत के साथ "शिमला समझौता" को विवश हुए।
बांगलादेश सरकार ने अपने शासन मेँ भारतीय मुस्लिमोँ को, (जिन्हेँ "बिहारी मुस्लिम" भी कहा जाता था) पाकिस्तान भेजना शुरु कर दिया किन्तु पाकिस्तान मेँ भारतीय मुस्लिमोँ की दुर्दशा देख कर सब भारत या बांगलादेश मे छद्म रुप से वापस आ गये।
भारत मेँ बांगला देशी घुसपैठियोँ की यह पहली खेप थी।
बांगला देश के शेष तथा कथित बिहारी मुस्लिम अब वहाँ नही रहना चाहते थे,किसी प्रकार वे भारत आना चाहते थे।
बंगाल मेँ सिद्धार्थ शंकर राय की कांग्रेस की सरकार थी और उसी काल मेँ घर वापसी के बहाने लाखोँ की संख्या मेँ घुसपैठिये कलकत्ता एवं सीमावर्ती मुस्लिम बाहुल्य जिलोँ (चौबीस परगना, मुर्शिदाबाद,नवद्वीप आदि जिले) मेँ आकर बस गये,
वामपंथी पार्टियोँ के दबाब मेँ उन्हेँ राशन कार्ड,जमीन,आवास एवं नागरिकता उपलब्ध कराई गयी बदले मेँ वे वामपंथियोँ को एक मुश्त वोट करने लगे।
अगस्त 1975 मेँ पाकिस्तानी तत्वोँ ने मुजीबुर रहमान की हत्या कर दी तथा पाकिस्तान समर्थक सरकार की स्थापना हुई और बाँगला देश के शेष हिन्दूओँ को खदेड़ दिया गया,
उन्ही लोगोँ के साथ लाखोँ की संख्या मेँ घुस पैठिये भी आये।
भारत मेँ भी लोकनायक के नेतृत्व मेँ कांग्रेस सरकार के विरुद्ध आंदोलन चरम पर था।
देशभर मेँ कांग्रेस विरोधी लहर के कारण 1977 मेँ चुनाव हुए एवं विरोधी पार्टियोँ का गठबंधन जनता पार्टी की सरकार बनी।
बंगाल मेँ भी चुनाव हुए तथा वाम मोर्चा की पूर्ण बहुमत की सरकार बनी और ममता के आने तक 35 वर्षोँ तक वाम मोर्चा की सरकार बनी रही।
भविष्य को ध्यान मेँ रखकर वाममोर्चा सरकार ने भी घर वापसी के नाम पर घुसपैठियोँ को खूब छूट दे रखी थी,वे आते रहे,वाममोर्चा को जिताते रहे।
भारत सरकार ने भी सेकुलरिज्म के नाम पर उन्हेँ रोकने का कोइ प्रयास नही किया बल्कि सरकार की उदासीनता के कारण ये देश के अन्य राज्योँ मेँ भी फैल गये।
उन्हीँ घुसपैठियोँ नेँ एकरसता से उब कर ममता को पूर्ण बहुमत दिलाया।
बांगलादेशी घुसपैठियोँ का वोट वाम मोर्चा एवं ममता दोनोँ के लिये अत्यंत महत्वपूर्ण है जिसके कारण घुसपैठियोँ के निकाल बाहर करने के विरुद्ध ममता को वामपंथियोँ का समर्थन मिल रहा है।
घुसपैठिये अगर अपने देश वापस चले जायेँ तो ममता या वाममोर्चा एक भी चुनाव नही जीत पायेँगे।
और अंत मेँ - मूल बांगलादेशी अपना देश नही छोड़ना चाहते, ये घुसपैठी नही हैँ।
पाकपरस्त मुस्लिम ही घुसपैठिये हैँ।
 
पश्चिम बंगाल को बंगलादेश बनाने की षड़यंत्र का पर्दाफाश !

एनआईए द्वारा तैयार डोजियर से हुआ है खुलासा. डोजियर की कोपी बाँग्लादेश सरकार को भी भेजी जायेगी।
बंगाल में आतंकवादी गतिविधियों, उनका अंतर्राष्ट्रीय आतंकवादियों और बंगलादेशी आतंकवादियों से सम्बन्ध, उसमे बंगाल के मुस्लिम और मुस्लिम नेताओं की तथा मुस्लिम परस्त सरकार की संदिग्ध भूमिका, बंगाल पुलिस का आतंकवादी गतिविधियों के सबूतों को नष्ट करने की साजिश, शारदा घोटाले के पैसे का बंगलादेशी आतंकवादियों को फंडिंग आदि गतिविधियों का बारीकी से परीक्षण करते हुए मैंने पहले ही आशंका व्यक्त की थी की पश्चिम बंगाल को बृहत बंगलादेश का हिस्सा बनाने की साजिश चल रही है. अब बंगाल सरकार और उसके नेताओं के रवैये से मेरे मन में ये प्रश्न उठ रहा है कि क्या इसमें पश्चिम बंगाल के सरकार के कुछ गद्दार लोगों की भी सहमति थी?
 
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