Would you vote for Team Anna's political party ?

[anilsangwan]

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.............!!! padd gyaa चानना ...... er nyu bhi samajh gya aak चानना kis side tein pade s...:triumphant: .......बाकी अदला बदली कोणी हुयी वोटा की .... या इ बात मेंने जिद कही थी... या इ एब कहू सु..... ना तो छह हजार का फर्क नहीं होता.....

सारा चानना मेरे पे क्यू गिरवावे स , चानने का तोडयोड तू रहा र किम्मे तू भी गेर ले.....

 

[swaich]

Bhai... badlav lane ka ye bilkul impractical tarika hai ki hum ek lokpal le kar aayangae or corruption khatam ho jayega... or agar aap ye bolte ho ki aisa ho sakta hai or ho jayega... to haat pe haat maar lo... aapke or mere jeete-ji agar aisa ho jaye to... badlav lane ka ek behtar tarika to ye hai ki already established party ke acche leaders ko support karein or number of parties ko kam karne ki kosih karein, jis se corruption badh ruha hai...

aawaj to kisi na kisi ko uthani hi padegi... but ek baat batao ki agar aawaj uthane wale hi waise ho jayangae jinke khilaf aaj aawaj uthai ja ruhi hai... to tab aawaj koun uthayega???

or ye meri line bilkul bhi contradictory nahi hai bhai... har vo insaan jo role model ban-ne layak ho jarori to nahi ki vo leader ban-ne layak ho... role model to kisi insaan ki achievements or character ke karam bhi bana sakte ho... but jarori nahi ki us insaan mai leadership qualities na ho(exceptionly dono qualities co-exist kar sakti hain but bahot kam case mai hi aisa hota hai)... or agar har role model banane layak insaan leader bhi ban sakta to, aaj bhi india ki team sachin ki captaincy mai khel ruhi hoti or... i hope you are getting what i am tryin to say...

You are right when you say that its not necessary that role models like Team Anna will become great leaders or will be able to master politics. But at the same time, whats the other option? Does the other option have anything new to offer? I guess not. There are only a handful of people scattered in different parties who could be claimed as capable leaders, all others are corrupt and imbeciles. And these few leaders are not enough to run a govt.

Taking a step away from this 'voting for team Anna or not' debate, we have to ask ourselves, what about the masses? We can discuss as much as we want on internet forums, but the real decider of votes are the voters in the semi-urban and rural areas. Those people, largely poor are sometimes easily swayed by money and might not have heard of Anna or his team. Many of them dont even have the time to read a newspaper. These people will tend to vote for those who they think will get the job done. It might be the neighborhood ex-don who has cases against him but they'd still vote for him as they think he has the necessary clout. And that is how criminal politicians get into parliaments. So in such a scenario, how will Anna's party survive? Anna's party might select a school teacher or a social worker who is honest as their candidate but will people trust this person enough to vote for him or will they place more confidence in a seasoned albeit corrupt politician? If people's voting preferences are to be changed, Team Anna will have to do a lot of work and cover a lot of ground expanding their reach to all corners of the country. There are less than 18 months left for the next elections. Time is running out.

 

[samarkadian]

You are right when you say that its not necessary that role models like Team Anna will become great leaders or will be able to master politics. But at the same time, whats the other option? Does the other option have anything new to offer? I guess not. There are only a handful of people scattered in different parties who could be claimed as capable leaders, all others are corrupt and imbeciles. And these few leaders are not enough to run a govt.

Taking a step away from this 'voting for team Anna or not' debate, we have to ask ourselves, what about the masses? We can discuss as much as we want on internet forums, but the real decider of votes are the voters in the semi-urban and rural areas. Those people, largely poor are sometimes easily swayed by money and might not have heard of Anna or his team. Many of them dont even have the time to read a newspaper. These people will tend to vote for those who they think will get the job done. It might be the neighborhood ex-don who has cases against him but they'd still vote for him as they think he has the necessary clout. And that is how criminal politicians get into parliaments. So in such a scenario, how will Anna's party survive? Anna's party might select a school teacher or a social worker who is honest as their candidate but will people trust this person enough to vote for him or will they place more trust in a seasoned albeit corrupt politician? If people's voting preferences are to be changed, Team Anna will have to do a lot of work and cover a lot of ground expanding their reach to all corners of the country. There are less than 18 months left for the next elections. Time is running out.

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भिवानी मे पहले एक मुंढाल हल्का होता था जो की अब तोड़ कर भिवानी , बुवानी खेड़ा व दादरी मे लगा दिया | इस हल्के से कभी जनता दल की लहर के चलते चौधरी बलबीर सिंह ग्रेवाल विधायक चुने गए थे| मेरे ख्याल से आज तक हरियाणा मे ग्रेवाल साहब जैसा ईमानदार विधायक नहीं बना होगा |
अगर इस देश मे ईमानदारी की कदर होती तो शायद ग्रेवाल साहब मंत्री मुख्यमंत्री होते , अगर अब ग्रेवाल साहब यदि चुनाव लड़े तो लोग शायद इन्हे विधायक चुनना तो दूर गाँव का सरपंच भी ना चुने |
ये ईमानदारी ईमानदार जैसे शब्द सिर्फ बोलने मे अच्छे लगते हैं बरतने मे नहीं |

Jaspreet,

You raised an important point. What about masses? Post of Raka ji says a lot. Masses 'mainly' vote for a candidate who can later on pay this off in the form of jobs,contracts and other jacks he would be entitled to. Now question is - Would Kejriwal and party be able to help out masses in this way?

And that was the basic question in thread as well :- Is the honesty enough trait to get elected?

Many people voted and many covered up by saying that they would decide later. Deciding later means almost No.

 

[rekhasmriti]

Well Said .

Politics is a dirty game .

Ek famous dailogue-----koyle ke dalali mei hath ko kale karne padenge hi-----kuch aisa hi hai movies mei suna hai

भिवानी मे पहले एक मुंढाल हल्का होता था जो की अब तोड़ कर भिवानी , बुवानी खेड़ा व दादरी मे लगा दिया | इस हल्के से कभी जनता दल की लहर के चलते चौधरी बलबीर सिंह ग्रेवाल विधायक चुने गए थे| मेरे ख्याल से आज तक हरियाणा मे ग्रेवाल साहब जैसा ईमानदार विधायक नहीं बना होगा |
अगर इस देश मे ईमानदारी की कदर होती तो शायद ग्रेवाल साहब मंत्री मुख्यमंत्री होते , अगर अब ग्रेवाल साहब यदि चुनाव लड़े तो लोग शायद इन्हे विधायक चुनना तो दूर गाँव का सरपंच भी ना चुने |
ये ईमानदारी ईमानदार जैसे शब्द सिर्फ बोलने मे अच्छे लगते हैं बरतने मे नहीं |

 

[rekhasmriti]

" har vo insaan jo role model ban-ne layak ho jarori to nahi ki vo leader ban-ne layak ho... role model to kisi insaan ki achievements or character ke karam bhi bana sakte ho... but jarori nahi ki us insaan mai leadership qualities na h"

Bilkul sahi boss , just because some is decent good person by heart n deeds that does not mean he capable of being good leader

This is what I think of Anna g , as a person he may be good but leader -----I don't think so

Bhai... badlav lane ka ye bilkul impractical tarika hai ki hum ek lokpal le kar aayangae or corruption khatam ho jayega... or agar aap ye bolte ho ki aisa ho sakta hai or ho jayega... to haat pe haat maar lo... aapke or mere jeete-ji agar aisa ho jaye to... badlav lane ka ek behtar tarika to ye hai ki already established party ke acche leaders ko support karein or number of parties ko kam karne ki kosih karein, jis se corruption badh ruha hai...

aawaj to kisi na kisi ko uthani hi padegi... but ek baat batao ki agar aawaj uthane wale hi waise ho jayangae jinke khilaf aaj aawaj uthai ja ruhi hai... to tab aawaj koun uthayega???

or ye meri line bilkul bhi contradictory nahi hai bhai... har vo insaan jo role model ban-ne layak ho jarori to nahi ki vo leader ban-ne layak ho... role model to kisi insaan ki achievements or character ke karam bhi bana sakte ho... but jarori nahi ki us insaan mai leadership qualities na ho(exceptionly dono qualities co-exist kar sakti hain but bahot kam case mai hi aisa hota hai)... or agar har role model banane layak insaan leader bhi ban sakta to, aaj bhi india ki team sachin ki captaincy mai khel ruhi hoti or... i hope you are getting what i am tryin to say...

 

[rekhasmriti]

" Would Kejriwal and party be able to help out masses in this way?"

Bilkul nahi , just by introducing Lokopal n all , they think all the problems of a country solved .

N what the hell they know about Economics n so much of global jazz .

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Jaspreet,

You raised an important point. What about masses? Post of Raka ji says a lot. Masses 'mainly' vote for a candidate who can later on pay this off in the form of jobs,contracts and other jacks he would be entitled to. Now question is - Would Kejriwal and party be able to help out masses in this way?

And that was the basic question in thread as well :- Is the honesty enough trait to get elected?

Many people voted and many covered up by saying that they would decide later. Deciding later means almost No.

 

[kapdal]

" Would Kejriwal and party be able to help out masses in this way?"

Bilkul nahi , just by introducing Lokopal n all , they think all the problems of a country solved .

N what the hell they know about Economics n so much of global jazz .

Rekhaji- can you please exercise some self-restraint in posting? In around 2 months you have 652 posts. This is not a blog, it is a forum. You can't have a thread where 20 members are participating, but half the posts are just by one person.

Maybe admins should have a limit on number of consecutive posts by one person.

 

[rekhasmriti]

Well , boss I can't help it .

I have xillion of things in my mind-------only 1% is here .


"Maybe admins should have a limit on number of consecutive posts by one person."

For that , u need to get it touch with administrators .
My suggestion-----no way ( not b'coz I have posted so many ) but u can not put any limit to somebody's thoughts .

Moreover Boss------democracy hai do whatever u want to do ( as long as u don't break the law , n even if u do u better have a gr8 lawyer )

PS----Please don't take it otherwise

Rekhaji- can you please exercise some self-restraint in posting? In around 2 months you have 652 posts. This is not a blog, it is a forum. You can't have a thread where 20 members are participating, but half the posts are just by one person.

Maybe admins should have a limit on number of consecutive posts by one person.

 

[ravinderpannu]

" Would Kejriwal and party be able to help out masses in this way?"

Bilkul nahi , just by introducing Lokopal n all , they think all the problems of a country solved .

N what the hell they know about Economics n so much of global jazz .

what are our current so called BIG ECONOMISTS doing our SMS prime minister and Finance minister ( CHADDI)..what these high level economists have done in past 9 years...!!
can u pls throw some light on economic achievements by these...!!!! they are even not exercising simple economics which i believe Mr Kejriwal can do very well as he was an Indian revenue services officer...!!!!!!!

 

[rekhasmriti]

Okay-------I m not in mood of doing all that google ------

However , this can not be denied that our PM is one of the good economist
I may be wrong----but as per some way to back knowledge -----in some where 1990's Manmohan has introduced some new economic policies which has lead to good economic development ( not going to research that as so done with this topic )

We both know Manmohan n ur so called Chaddi------are quite educated -----when it comes to education regarding economics n all that

N they are not doing any thing------that shows ------Once u r politician ---u forget all what u have learnt


" which i believe Mr Kejriwal can do very well as he was an Indian Financial services officer"

Boss , waise toh I m not a patient person , but for this I can want for Xillion years.

Dekh lete hai------kitni simple economics Kejriwla apply karta hai

Pehle toh uske hath mei power aani nahi-----n ram g ke kar diya yeh chamatkar------
tab dekh lenge kya n kaunsa basic logic apply karega woh ............

PS----Pleas boss don't take this otherwise .

what are our current so called BIG ECONOMISTS doing our SMS prime minister and Finance minister ( CHADDI)..what these high level economists have done in past 9 years...!!
can u pls throw some light on economic achievements by these...!!!! they are even not exercising simple economics which i believe Mr Kejriwal can do very well as he was an Indian revenue services officer...!!!!!!!

 

[kapdal]

Well , boss I can't help it .

I have xillion of things in my mind-------only 1% is here .


"Maybe admins should have a limit on number of consecutive posts by one person."

For that , u need to get it touch with administrators .
My suggestion-----no way ( not b'coz I have posted so many ) but u can not put any limit to somebody's thoughts .

Moreover Boss------democracy hai do whatever u want to do ( as long as u don't break the law , n even if u do u better have a gr8 lawyer )

PS----Please don't take it otherwise

If you have a zillion things in mind, why restrict yourself. Open a free blogger account and post everything there. Your avid followers will come and read you there.

It is a democracy, hence my appeal for self-restraint. Freedom to air your views doesn't mean you hijack the forum.

 

[jaisingh318]

if team anna has no seccular face................chand mohmad ready to join them.

 

[ravinderpannu]

Rekha ji,
what ever you have written is categorised as ''BEATING AROUND THE BUSH'' . i asked u to list any achievements..
and FYI the policies which Mr Manmohan applied back in 90's came from political leaders like Chanrashekhar and Rajiv Gandhi and some other prominent leaders.
FYI..Mr MMS was also a civil servant back in early 90's.

P.S; don't think much...otherwise.

Okay-------I m not in mood of doing all that google ------

However , this can not be denied that our PM is one of the good economist
I may be wrong----but as per some way to back knowledge -----in some where 1990's Manmohan has introduced some new economic policies which has lead to good economic development ( not going to research that as so done with this topic )

We both know Manmohan n ur so called Chaddi------are quite educated -----when it comes to education regarding economics n all that

N they are not doing any thing------that shows ------Once u r politician ---u forget all what u have learnt


" which i believe Mr Kejriwal can do very well as he was an Indian Financial services officer"

Boss , waise toh I m not a patient person , but for this I can want for Xillion years.

Dekh lete hai------kitni simple economics Kejriwla apply karta hai

Pehle toh uske hath mei power aani nahi-----n ram g ke kar diya yeh chamatkar------
tab dekh lenge kya n kaunsa basic logic apply karega woh ............

PS----Pleas boss don't take this otherwise .

 

[jaisingh318]

Rekhaji- can you please exercise some self-restraint in posting? In around 2 months you have 652 posts. This is not a blog, it is a forum. You can't have a thread where 20 members are participating, but half the posts are just by one person.

Maybe admins should have a limit on number of consecutive posts by one person.

kyu bhai..........ya bhi kajriwal ka aganda h........desh bachan ka.

 

[kapdal]

Kapil bhai, vote de to dein lekin kisko. Anna aur uski team ka corruption se ladne ka method hi fail hai..Ye Lokpal bill koi jaadu ki chaddi thodi na hai ki chalayi aur sab change. Ye to is lokpal bill ko aise project kar rahe hain ki jaise koi Bollywood movie hai,, jisme bahut saare villain hain aur ek hero "Lokpal Bill" aayega aur saab corruption ko khatam kar dega.. Bhai ye to aapko bhi pata hoga,, is kya farak hone wala hai.. Is Lokpal bill se doogna chuna jaroor lag sakta hai...

Ye Lokpal bill to ek aur mamoth bureaucracy ko badhava dega.. itne loggon ko employ karne ka kharcha kahan se aayega.. Pehle existing bureaucracy ko to dekh lo..

Usme khamkha ki duniya bhar rakhi hai,, jinka koi lena dena nahi hai,, desh ke kaamo se.. Yadi dhung se calculate karo to ye mere hisab se corruption se bhi bada chuna lagta hai desh ko..

Lokpal bill ombudsman ke employee bhi ussi ratio se recruit honge jitne sarkari naukar filhaal hain sarkaar mei.

App root cause ko address kar nahi rahe ho,, waise apne mangadant baaton se logon ko behka rahe ho.. Itne baade decison ko lene se pehle studies to karni chahiye..kya fayda hai aur kya nuksaan..

Emotional hoke ya phir strict hoke solution kahan se nikalne wala hai.

Atish bhai, baat to teri saari theek hain. Par yeh to ho gayi Team Anna ki kamiyaan. Kamiyaan to honi hi hai.

We can't measure them on a different yardstick than other political leaders. It seems like we are used to very low standards from current political leaders, but we expect a very high standard from these guys. A vote is just a choice of the best or the least worse alternative. First thing is to acknowledge they will never be perfect. No one is. Question is just that are they good enough or better than others?

Points like what were they saying or doing one year back are not terribly important unless those actions were patently wrong. Things change everyday. They too are entitled to change as per the situation. I think entering politics is a change for good. It is better than preaching from the top. Now they need to build a mass base by making a rainbow coalition of different communities.

If we do look at their actions, we need to see what they have been up against. It is never easy to take on state power and just by taking it on, they have done a great deal. The secret hand of the state and associated powers will always try to pull them down. If these guys made mistakes, did the political class redeem itself? I think it went from bad to worse.

Just looking at political choices right now, these guys deserve a vote - a chance to fail if nothing else. I don't expect any magic, but if they deliver even on 10% of their promises, it will be a big improvement.

 

[rinkusheoran]

My vote goes to rekha ji for all the enthusiasm she has shown on discussion in this thread, talent dekhkar vote de raha hun. Sorry Anil tere taiyan aagle election mein dunga

 

[skharb]

Team Anna never supported any political party including the HJC during the Hisar by-elections. They only opposed the Congress party which ONLY TO SOME EXTENT BENEFITED THE HJC. As it is, Hisar is and always has been the gadh/seat of power for the Bishnois.

So, it would be factually incorrect to say that Team Anna support HJC or the corrupt Bishnois.

some extent benefit nahi bhai FULL BENEFIT ......kyki bishnoi ki jad gad the is kajriwal n.......na to iski dukan band hogi the.

ya khidwa vote gayi us dohre.nahi to ajay chautala jitya padya tha

bajan lal k raj ka.....nuksan haryana k jata n aaj tak bera hai. bhai cm to jat hi sahi h........

agar yo bisnoi har jaata to arrakshan bhi mil jata..........kyki buppi bhai bhe ro leta sonia madam aga k jaat vota na milte

 

[abhikrana]

There is nothing even today that stops Mr. Hooda from giving reservation to Jats except for his very own lack of will power. The state does not need centre's permission to give reservation in state.

As far as jats are concerned, Mr. Hooda is as good or as bad a CM as any other person of any other caste. He has certainly not been able to stand up to the expectations of his community.

The bishnois are the progenitors of corruption in the state. Seeing their open and vocal anti - Jat stance and plank of non - Jat unity, I am happy they got a kick on their rear.

Team Anna's opposition to Congress in electoral politics is bound to benefit one or the other party for sure. In this case, according to you it benefited HJC, but at the same time we cannot be sure that it did not benefit INLD also. Maybe a few traditionally congress votes even went to INLD.

some extent benefit nahi bhai FULL BENEFIT ......kyki bishnoi ki jad gad the is kajriwal n.......na to iski dukan band hogi the.

ya khidwa vote gayi us dohre.nahi to ajay chautala jitya padya tha

bajan lal k raj ka.....nuksan haryana k jata n aaj tak bera hai. bhai cm to jat hi sahi h........

agar yo bisnoi har jaata to arrakshan bhi mil jata..........kyki buppi bhai bhe ro leta sonia madam aga k jaat vota na milte

 

[vikda]

He did not mean just about quantity of posts but also about the content. Though your posts are not offensive or pungent but often look like something straight from the heart of a kiddo and they are not even in the category of irritating!

So according to him your posts:
-- do not exhibit your deep level of understanding/maturity/knowledge about the topic being discussed
-- lack wit at times
-- can be termed as frivolous at times (even though you are damn serious in your head)
-- are verbose, lacking the crux
-- are not very thought provoking or stimulating
-- writing style is not appealing, neither the logic
-- appear on each and every thread (even though you might not have slightest idea about the topic)
-- are self-boasting (saying about your English communication skills blah blah) but the fact is that you have "so much" scope of improvement even for your communication skills

P.S.: "He" does not necessarily represent only Kapil. Please keep posting !!

Well , boss I can't help it .

I have xillion of things in my mind-------only 1% is here .


"Maybe admins should have a limit on number of consecutive posts by one person."

For that , u need to get it touch with administrators .
My suggestion-----no way ( not b'coz I have posted so many ) but u can not put any limit to somebody's thoughts .

Moreover Boss------democracy hai do whatever u want to do ( as long as u don't break the law , n even if u do u better have a gr8 lawyer )

PS----Please don't take it otherwise

 

[vicky84]

Atish bhai, baat to teri saari theek hain. Par yeh to ho gayi Team Anna ki kamiyaan. Kamiyaan to honi hi hai.

We can't measure them on a different yardstick than other political leaders. It seems like we are used to very low standards from current political leaders, but we expect a very high standard from these guys. A vote is just a choice of the best or the least worse alternative. First thing is to acknowledge they will never be perfect. No one is. Question is just that are they good enough or better than others?

Points like what were they saying or doing one year back are not terribly important unless those actions were patently wrong. Things change everyday. They too are entitled to change as per the situation. I think entering politics is a change for good. It is better than preaching from the top. Now they need to build a mass base by making a rainbow coalition of different communities.

If we do look at their actions, we need to see what they have been up against. It is never easy to take on state power and just by taking it on, they have done a great deal. The secret hand of the state and associated powers will always try to pull them down. If these guys made mistakes, did the political class redeem itself? I think it went from bad to worse.

Just looking at political choices right now, these guys deserve a vote - a chance to fail if nothing else. I don't expect any magic, but if they deliver even on 10% of their promises, it will be a big improvement.

Kapil,

I agree with you things change everyday and Anna and his team may change in future. I respect Anna and his team sentiment about corruption but don't agree with their solution to fight with corruption. Lets say, Anna and his team wins quarter of the seats in next general elections. People would expect their party to bring Lokpal bill and press on the incumbent government to introduce it with immediate effect. What are the ramifications of it? How much its going to cost the country? At its best, Lokpal Bill would not make any difference. People would eventually loose faith in everything. Or lets say, if Anna and his team do not bring Lokpal. That would be a betrayal to trust of the people. Curbing corruption needs lot of ground work in the governance and if Anna and his team propose those changes, I am happy to give them support. As far as current options are concerned, I would give my support to people like Sanjeev Sabhlok(Former IAS Officer). I agree with his pragmatic views and in reality thats what country needs not Jan Lokpal bill.