Cow slaughter in India

[dndeswal]

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No other domestic animal has got so much respect in our hearts than cow - the sacred, loving creature for all humanity. India’s Constitution, in its Part-IV (Directive Principles of State Policy) directs as under:

"48. Organisation of agriculture and animal husbandry.—The State shall endeavour to organise agriculture and animal husbandry on modern and scientific lines and shall, in particular, take steps for preserving and improving the breeds, and prohibiting the slaughter, of cows and calves and other milch and draught cattle."

Despite this directive and public outcry, several agitations on the issue, there is still no Central legislation for complete ban on cow slaughter. Though majority of states have banned cow slaughter, it is continuing in West Bengal and Kerala where Communists are in power (Communists say they have no belief in religion). Cow slaughter is also a common feature in Mewat region (Muslim dominated) of Haryana and similar areas in UP, Bihar and the North East. The butchers in these areas damn care for the laws in force.

State-wise legislations for banning cow-slaughter are of little use. From Rajasthan and Haryana, traders easily manage to smuggle the livestock to West Bengal’s slaughter houses, across UP and Bihar – even to Pakistan and Bangladesh.

India is among the few fortunate countries having sizeable number of domestic cattle. In our neighborhood (Pakistan and Bangladesh) milk has become a scarce commodity due to meat-eating habits of their population and animal sacrifice on Muslim festival, Eid. In India too, the depleting number of cows may soon cause scarcity of milk, if the present scenario continues.

Should there be a Central legislation to ban cow slaughter? This is a pertinent question despite the fact that now-a-days, for several reasons, cows are being ignored and buffalos are preferred by dairy-owners and villagers.

Let us discuss. Who stops to formulate a Central legislation? Even the Constitution gives a clear-cut directive for a complete ban on cow-slaughter. It is not just a religious or sentimental issue but there are vital economic aspects too.

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[sidchhikara]

Well Sir,
If you donot like cow slaughter - don't do it.

 

[gauravchaudhary]

Dayanand Deswal ji,

Sir,

There is no link between cow slaughter and milk production. The cattle that is sent for culling is not the one which is still contributing in milk producion, but it is the old and rejected cattle which otherwise has no takers and is bound to die a very painful death in streets of India.

In western Europe, for example, the dairy sector is highly developed and those countries are big time exporters of milk and milk products, but at the same time they have a clear policy on culling old cattle. There old and rejected cattle is culled immediately.

 

[gauravchaudhary]

Also note :

Pakistan has per capita milk production of more than 230 kg per year

which is more than twice that of India. The Dairy Sector of Pakistan is

most advanved among all SAARC countries.

source: Food And Agricultural Organisation Report.

 

[dndeswal]

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A parallel thread is continuing in “General Talk” forum on this subject. (Cow Slaughter In India Be Banned). In ancient times also, cow-leather was used for shoe-making but the animal was not slaughtered as is being done now a days. Here, the question is different. The framers of our Constitution knew the feelings of general masses and had put a clause in the Constitution. Why can’t Central Government allot some more funds by which more gaushalas be erected and old cows can be put in these shelters? After the animal faces the natural death, let the skin be used for shoe leather etc., as has been the practice in the past.

No need to argue that their precious meat (beef) would be lost if they are allowed to die naturally. Beef-eating has never been part of our culture.

Why a Central legislation on this vital issue could not be framed till now after Independence? Is it just to appease the Muslim population for their votes only? Or are there other reasons?
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[dahiyars]

Cow Slaughter in India

Dear Deswal ji

I agree on many points with gaurav chaudhary. Moreover if we think seriously then we find that the respect of cow might have increased when bail( Bulladh) became
backbone of agriculture. But after the introduction of tractor it the bail has been pushed out from the agriculture.The people who have done so many of them own the slaughter houses also and are from amongst us. statistics can be verified. Till the resume of Bail in Agriculture is there I donot think the significance of cow will attain the previous level. It can be symbolic gesture only at this stage. Paradox is there. I am not viewing the issue from religious sentimental frame work.
Is it possible to go back to Bail kee kheti?

R.S.Dahiya

 

[dndeswal]

Dear Deswal ji

I agree on many points with gaurav chaudhary. Moreover if we think seriously then we find that the respect of cow might have increased when bail( Bulladh) became
backbone of agriculture. But after the introduction of tractor it the bail has been pushed out from the agriculture.The people who have done so many of them own the slaughter houses also and are from amongst us. statistics can be verified. Till the resume of Bail in Agriculture is there I donot think the significance of cow will attain the previous level. It can be symbolic gesture only at this stage. Paradox is there. I am not viewing the issue from religious sentimental frame work.
Is it possible to go back to Bail kee kheti?

R.S.Dahiya

This is a vital question. After introduction of modern agricultural machinery, the male calves have gone into back-burner and importance of cow has dwindled. Though it is not possible to reverse the clock and switch back to traditional agricultural methods, in India’s context, we may perhaps not completely abandon the use of ox for ploughing the fields or transporting. Modern technology is heavily dependent on fossil fuels which may be depleted soon, maybe after a century if predictions are correct. Nevertheless, a central legislation on this issue is being felt to protect our livestock.

A useful link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4378138.stm
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[saharan21]

Beef Burger-----yummy Yummy

have you tried macdonalds quarter pounder
its amazing in taste and full of crispy beef with some tuna

give it a go

 

[dndeswal]

have you tried macdonalds quarter pounder
its amazing in taste and full of crispy beef with some tuna

give it a go

I am happy to remain vegetarian. Please continue your journey towards McDonald and get a licence to open some of its branches in Maham Chaubissi villages. Perhaps Maham Chaubissi area likes eating beef. Isn't it?
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[gsvijay1]

I am not a religious person but I still feel that cow(animal) slaughter should be ban in India.

Look at south Indian states. Govt use elephant for work, pay them for the work and retire them after reaching retirement age. State govt pay pension to these retired elephants to make sure that they don't starve to death after retirement.

In my opinion, all state govts should fund guasalas and take care of old cows. Dairy owners also have a responsibility to take care of these old once profit making cows.

 

[basant]

Mharo gaam main awara kuttoo ho rahey hai, karo kuch bhalla mhara bhi. Log bhi Rabiz se bachonge. Macdonald ne bulawo, Kutto-Pillo ka bhi yummy - crispy burger bana denge.

Vo Tabbar JAT nahi ho sakta jo meet - maas ka sevan kare

have you tried macdonalds quarter pounder
its amazing in taste and full of crispy beef with some tuna

give it a go

 

[brainspeak]

Vo Tabbar JAT nahi ho sakta jo meet - maas ka sevan kare

ab yeh kya hai????

 

[shweta123]

I am happy to remain vegetarian. Please continue your journey towards McDonald and get a licence to open some of its branches in Maham Chaubissi villages. Perhaps Maham Chaubissi area likes eating beef. Isn't it?
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Being a vegetarian is a very nice thing, and if one is a vegetarian, then it is very difficult for him or her to find people rushing towards being non vegetarian and describing its taste as being exquisite ! I m also a pure vegetarian & that is why I also feel a bit uncomfortable when it comes to such appreciation by people.

 

[deepakchoudhry]

As I said earlier.....Everything is based on Wrong Economics and Utility Value.

Just beacuse something has been done in the West..it is right.

It is an evil practice.

I wish we showed more respect to our srrouandings and fellow creatures.

 

[deepakchoudhry]

have you tried macdonalds quarter pounder
its amazing in taste and full of crispy beef with some tuna

give it a go

Jis tarah hum bachpan main maa ka dudh pikar baday hotay hai...aur yuva honay per go/mhains ka dudh takat deta hai...Us lihaaz say toh yeh maa kay brabar hai.

Kya insaan ko sukrguzar nahin hona chaiye.

Kya humay, jo humsay kamzor hain unki rakhsha nahin karni chaiyee...Kya yeh manav dharam nahin hai.

Jats and Vedic tradtions go hand in hand....aap say request hain aap kuch aacha nahin keh sakte toh forum per aakar aisa na bolay jis say kisi ko dukh poonchay.

You know this thread is about protection of cows so please contribute accordingly.

Shubham Astu,

Deepak

 

[dndeswal]

Vegetarianism

Being a vegetarian is a very nice thing, and if one is a vegetarian, then it is very difficult for him or her to find people rushing towards being non vegetarian and describing its taste as being exquisite ! I m also a pure vegetarian & that is why I also feel a bit uncomfortable when it comes to such appreciation by people.

Very true. Coming to vegetianism, it is a known fact that majority of thinkers and great personalities have been vegetarians. Indian list is endless – see foreigners’ list – Einstein, Victor Hugo, Shakespeare, Bernard Shaw, Tolstoy, Bertrand Russel, Lord Byron, Dostoevsky, Andrei Sakharov, Alfred Nobel - even Karl Marx, the atheist ! How many of us know that Zia-ul-Haq (though he does not deserve to be listed with above mentioned great men) was a pure vegetarian ?

World is now adopting vegetariansm and yoga. And our own Jat boys are advocating beef-eating ! What a paradox !

One Western journalist posed a question to Dr. Radhakrishnan : “If you can drink a cow’s milk, what is the harm in eating its meat?” Promptly came the reply : “If I drink a cow’s milk, I regard it as my own mother. Can you eat the meat of your mother?”
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[sidchhikara]

Prohibition never works !!

I am not speaking for OR against beef porduction and consumption. All i want to say is that prohibition by government never works. If you ban beef, the muslims, christians, sikhs and other people who eat beef will find other ways to get to it - it will cost more and will be another cash cow (sic) for the police and other enforcement agencies - which will also lead to harassment of citizens by these agencies.

Ban on liquor never worked in the past.

I also donot understand why you would impose your religious commitment on people of other religions. Unless these people are slaughtering cattle in front of your eyes or on your personal property or place of worship - I don't think you have the right to curtail their eating habits. What if the Muslims started a movement in India to ban pork?? to ban alcohol?? to ban interest being charged by banks (any bank employees here care to comment??) or you getting interest from the bank (I think everybody here would be pis*ed)?? What if they said that all women should wear burqas (would jatnis here oblige?)

All this would be unfair - would it not be?

Fairness is in short supply in the Indian psyche - whether it be Hindu, Muslim, Christian or otherwise ................ everybody wants to jump the line, jump the gun and everything else they can jump and get around - just because they donot like it. I wish they would jump the BS.

 

[pnauhwar21]

A little off-topic - I have always wondered that even buffaloes give milk to us but they are never called as Mother as we do for cows..why? Is it just coz they are black and we only want White maa

Also, why buffaloes are rarely seen on the roads while cows can be found anywhere eating the polythenes. Where do they go after there first level of use by humans- straight to leather manufacturers?

As for the ban on Cow slaughter or any other animal, it may not be entirely possible. The best way would be to change our eating habits and making our next generation totally vegetarian. Not sure how and when so many of our brethren became non-veg with no regard to feelings of the poor animal. Its interesting to note that US, European and East asian countries are probably the countries which eat meat for taste while Muslims eat meat in name of Supreme sacrifice (sic) to Allah and similarly many hindus also cut animals in the name of offering sacrificing to Gods. On one hand these religions talk about compassion to all living beings and on the other eat meat to please their Gods..Its a big paradox!!! And then we say that in Satyug and Tretayug, Rakshasas were bad as they ate humans..why? After all they were also satisfying their taste buds..Rakshas, Cannibals and meat eaters are all in same category..

Now, I know all meat-eaters will come bashing on vegetarianism..who wants to listen bad about themselves Welcome gang!!!

 

[manoj001]

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No other domestic animal has got so much respect in our hearts than cow - the sacred, loving creature for all humanity. India’s Constitution, in its Part-IV (Directive Principles of State Policy) directs as under:

"48. Organisation of agriculture and animal husbandry.—The State shall endeavour to organise agriculture and animal husbandry on modern and scientific lines and shall, in particular, take steps for preserving and improving the breeds, and prohibiting the slaughter, of cows and calves and other milch and draught cattle."

Despite this directive and public outcry, several agitations on the issue, there is still no Central legislation for complete ban on cow slaughter. Though majority of states have banned cow slaughter, it is continuing in West Bengal and Kerala where Communists are in power (Communists say they have no belief in religion). Cow slaughter is also a common feature in Mewat region (Muslim dominated) of Haryana and similar areas in UP, Bihar and the North East. The butchers in these areas damn care for the laws in force.

State-wise legislations for banning cow-slaughter are of little use. From Rajasthan and Haryana, traders easily manage to smuggle the livestock to West Bengal’s slaughter houses, across UP and Bihar – even to Pakistan and Bangladesh.

India is among the few fortunate countries having sizeable number of domestic cattle. In our neighborhood (Pakistan and Bangladesh) milk has become a scarce commodity due to meat-eating habits of their population and animal sacrifice on Muslim festival, Eid. In India too, the depleting number of cows may soon cause scarcity of milk, if the present scenario continues.

Should there be a Central legislation to ban cow slaughter? This is a pertinent question despite the fact that now-a-days, for several reasons, cows are being ignored and buffalos are preferred by dairy-owners and villagers.

Let us discuss. Who stops to formulate a Central legislation? Even the Constitution gives a clear-cut directive for a complete ban on cow-slaughter. It is not just a religious or sentimental issue but there are vital economic aspects too.

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Sir,
The issue you have raised is a serious one and there are many facets to it. The facets involved are:
i) the religious one. (in a democracy, there should be respect for the religious sentiments of all)
ii) then there is the issue of cruelty to animals. It has two aspects. what is more cruel a) Killing them once they are past their economic utiliy or b) letting them living on, a life of hunger, deprivation and regular beatings etc.?
iii) the issue of national wealth going down the drain. The aspects involved in this statement are a) Economics almost always wins over the senitments. If we do not butcher our cattle, then we help in creating a commodity in surplus, thus reducing its rates whereas the rates in the neighboring country are skyrocketing. We are encouraging smuggling with which our brothers at borders (soldiers) have to combat. b) If that is also agreeable with our consciences then the other aspect is the loss to the nation. Not only through the drain of our cattle wealth but the possibility of the earnings on the exports. And the jobs which can be created, if the industry is properly developed etc. c) The last aspect which should also touch the hearts of the opposers of the slaughter, is the amount of cruelty these poor animals are subjected to during their transport from the north-western regions of the country to the thousands of kms away border on the east. In a single truck 50-60 cattle are huddled and sometimes even more and once these are unloaded they are made to travel on foot for another hundreds of kilometers most of the time on hungry stomachs or at the most half stomachs, with regular pinnings with specially made pins.
I think we should think of solutions. One very important link in the problem which should help us reach a pragmatic solution which address the issues of all the concerned parties lies in clubbing of all cattle under cows.
The cow is sacred to modern day Hindus and perhaps was sacred to ancient vedic followers too {though there were no compunctions on its killing, the vedic name of guests is 'Gohana' meaning the one on whose arrival the "go" (the cow) needed to be killed}, but the other cattle ranging from the ox/bull, the progeny of cow to the camel/buffaloes/horses etc.(categorised as the "badaa" are not sacred.
The ban on cow slaughter can be successful, if we spare the cow and allow the slaughter of all the other animals which come under the 'beef' category or the "badaa" in Hindi terminology.
The other related issue with this issue is the care of the spared cow. If the Hindus feel the cows are holy to them then the onus of their care (the care well within the animal rights regulations) lies on them. Hindus alongwith the jains etc. are a rich community and in south India, they have temples richer than many small governments should raise the proper "goshaalas" where the animal can be kept as truly revered and the hindu institutions should raise funds to be able to buy the old cows which are past the economic utility to their owners and should give them shelter in these 'goshalas'.
I feel the government should be kept out of this issue except for enacting laws against cow slaughter as ours is not a Hindu Country. We belong to a Secular, Democratic Country and should respect these two tenets of constitution.

 

[brainspeak]

I am not speaking for OR against beef porduction and consumption. All i want to say is that prohibition by government never works. If you ban beef, the muslims, christians, sikhs and other people who eat beef will find other ways to get to it - it will cost more and will be another cash cow (sic) for the police and other enforcement agencies - which will also lead to harassment of citizens by these agencies.

Ban on liquor never worked in the past.

I also donot understand why you would impose your religious commitment on people of other religions. Unless these people are slaughtering cattle in front of your eyes or on your personal property or place of worship - I don't think you have the right to curtail their eating habits. What if the Muslims started a movement in India to ban pork?? to ban alcohol?? to ban interest being charged by banks (any bank employees here care to comment??) or you getting interest from the bank (I think everybody here would be pis*ed)?? What if they said that all women should wear burqas (would jatnis here oblige?)

All this would be unfair - would it not be?

Fairness is in short supply in the Indian psyche - whether it be Hindu, Muslim, Christian or otherwise ................ everybody wants to jump the line, jump the gun and everything else they can jump and get around - just because they donot like it. I wish they would jump the BS.

theek baat!!!.....