Indira Gandhi

[kabir]

majhe byare hai terre kyoun berre berre kurkuri si uthhe hai..........batau ke saabne............beerbanni ki dhalla chamolle se chhod ke udd jya tu.........katai sahi jaa rya bhai............

The post has been voluntarily retacted as it contained some objectionable matter against a fellow member

 

[deepshi]

its alwaz a pleaure readin ur posts...realy amazing, amusing n delightful!
(no tongue-in-cheek) ..i mean it!

ek baat yaad aagi iss inder kala ke upperre...jib haam maade -maade se balak the nu kaha kare the :
char-chavanni hokke main
er indra margi dhokke main

 

[prashantacmet]

Please again read post No. 78. If you still don't get that read again. One day you'll....teri buddhi itini moti to na ho sakti. You've amply shown with this post of yours that despite being a self-proclaimed "daangar", you've a fairly evolved brain. I won't give up on ya.

na padhta...ker le ke karegga...........issa philospher tu hi uttra iss dharti pai..ek terrri post again and again padhhe..........ROOKKKA @ again and again.....hahahhahaha...................arr haan jaada hanga na laaye eibb........aarr khaat ki baahi pai baith liye reply likhan tai pehle............ kuch support mil jaagi.........ROOKKKAA............................hehhehehe.................hahahah..........

 

[vivek]

Indira Gandhi undid in a day what my father worked tirelessly for two years to put together in Geneva (My father was deputy director of RAW and later became DGP of Maharashtra). If the plan had gone through, Pakistan would have a serious setback, and probably would not have bothered with their adventure in Kashmir.

 

[kabir]

The post as well has been voluntarily retacted as it contained some objectionable matter against a fellow member

 

[deepakchoudhry]

Indira Gandhi undid in a day what my father worked tirelessly for two years to put together in Geneva (My father was deputy director of RAW and later became DGP of Maharashtra). If the plan had gone through, Pakistan would have a serious setback, and probably would not have bothered with their adventure in Kashmir.

I dont think anyone is listening to you Tomar bhai sahib.

 

[kabir]

Indira Gandhi undid in a day what my father worked tirelessly for two years to put together in Geneva (My father was deputy director of RAW and later became DGP of Maharashtra). If the plan had gone through, Pakistan would have a serious setback, and probably would not have bothered with their adventure in Kashmir.

You're talking about Simla Agreement. Aren't you? Waise during his election campaign in UP recently, Rahul Gandhi's faux pas put the Cong-led govt in the centre in an embarrassing position. He loosely said: "Nehru-Ghandhi khandan ne desh ke liye kya nahi kiya. Hamne Pakistan ka batwara karaya."

The political gaffe of the greenhorn created an unnecessary diplomatic row between the two nations.

 

[vivek]

No..not the Simla Agreement at all. What shobit deshwal has put down forth...some of the facts are totally erroneous. I cannot be bothered to correct them as what's past is past and it doesn't change things as they are today.

 

[desijat]

koi ek-aadha hor bacha ho usse bhi gaal bak lyo..jib taamne chaudhary saahab hi na chhodde thaam hor kisse bakshoggee.........aur chaudde hoe jaao............in jaatoien ka naas katai nazdeek aa liya......yeh badal ge..............i m compelled to beleive that this Jatland is the portal 4 only 1% jats who are totally different from rest 99% in thinking and beliefs........u all truely don't represent the jat clan..............aur iss site ka namkaran bhi indraseh kala ke uppere kar dyo nitin dahiya bhai tai sifariush karke....aappne aap ne jaat kahte hue tharra dam ghut rya hogga

I am against this ideology of making humans a god... i didnt abuse chaudhary saab and i did also praised him for his accomplishments, just produced some of his other part of life in front of you. If you want to ignore them your loss

and secondly, You laugh at me cause i am different(1%) and i laugh at you for being the same....(99%)

 

[prashantacmet]

iss thread main neeraj vaidwan ki post padh liyo jinhe detail ka na pata ho chaudhary saahab ke acheivements ke baarre main...
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=865&page=1&pp=15&highlight=chaudhary+charan+singh

mharre kella gaam hai UP main (vaidwan gotra ka.)..........arr haam 70 % voting karya karre jisme tai 65% lokdal ki jaaya karre.............vikas ji aap bhi
iss baar lokdal ke liye hi vote karre.............

 

[prashantacmet]

I am against this ideology of making humans a god... i didnt abuse chaudhary saab and i did also praised him for his accomplishments, just produced some of his other part of life in front of you. If you want to ignore them your loss

and secondly, You laugh at me cause i am different(1%) and i laugh at you for being the same....(99%)

main to na hansaa tha tu hi daantri kaahad rya hai....upper aala post main jo link hai...uss thread ne padh liye poora deede khol ke...terre ji ku selek hojaagi.............undoubtedly, chaudhary saahab was the greatest jat leader of 20th century...........

 

[prashantacmet]

Simply because politics, or better termed as politics of coalition(Gathjod ki Rajniti) is winning over the idealogy of one party...

aachhaa........to congress ke pass ideology bhi hai..........kiski hai waa gandhi-nehru ki ne.............bohat badhiya...thaam bhi follow kar lyo issne...

 

[prashantacmet]

Bada tajarba tajhe haange lagan ka. Kabj pak giya dikkhe tera (Kabj to aadmi k ho, tere to aphara lag ra). Jibhi main kahun aak tere dimak main yo goo kyun bhara padya. Aaya choudary ka chella chal ke.

aachhhaaa reeee laallaa..........merre dimaag main goo bhara padya....hmmmmm....jibhi to main kahu..ek tu merre dimaag ne kyoun khaan lag rya.......... terri khuraak mille wha ......................ja gaam-gorre kurdiyaan pai lag jya ....udde chmariyoun ke bhundee main bhi muh maar le ...taste badal jaaga terra..............shahar ka kha-khe ke boring feel kar rya hogga tu..............roookaaa@ boring feel..............
arr haan main takjhe salaah di thi ek khaat ki baahi pai baith liye.....paantu baith ke mat na reply kariye.....maanna kona tu................ baga di baahar..............eibb tharri gaal ke 5-7 kutte issne khenchu firre..........urre purre ne dekh ...koi likhandwaa pada hogya...chada le issne upperre ku...........

 

[desijat]

mharre kella gaam hai UP main (vaidwan gotra ka.)..........arr haam 70 % voting karya karre jisme tai 65% lokdal ki jaaya karre.............vikas ji aap bhi
iss baar lokdal ke liye hi vote karre.............

Bang on the point ... Please tell me why should i vote for Lokdal and why have you been voting for lokdal? And what have you achieved so far by Votinng for Lokdal?

Please answer... and then i will tell u if am voting or not...

 

[desijat]

aachhaa........to congress ke pass ideology bhi hai..........kiski hai waa gandhi-nehru ki ne.............bohat badhiya...thaam bhi follow kar lyo issne...

For that matter every party has an ideology .... be it CPM or Congress or even Lokdal... and what we are seeing now is the conflict of ideologies of Congress and Left because of which Nuke Deal is suffering...


Please grow up Prashant.... This is not a fight between congress or BJP or Lokdal... You and i are simple humans and we dont even exist for the people whom we are advocating here....

Chaudhary Saab did a lot for Jats and there is no denial to that, you seem to be having an impression that i do not like him or critisize him, i respect him as much as you do so please get over it. All am stating here is that do not blame others for carrying on legacy when you yourself is a part of it...

 

[shobhitdeshwal]

Dear Vivek,

The facts (Thankfully you have admitted to them as being facts), might be erroneous yet are true!

I remember 4 officers of the R&AW being removed including Mr. Raj Bahadur, all IPS officers, by the Indira Gandhi Government of 1980 because they had developed good terms with Chaudhary Charan Singh and Morarji Desai. One of those IPS officers is stated as being a relative of Chaudhary Saheb.

Your Father might have worked hard and Indiraji might have decieved them, yet what remains as a historical truth is that the Janta Party Government was not at all cabable to get India the respect due to her!

New Delhi lost contacts with leaders in pakistan, Europe, USSR and the US. They neither had good friends in these Governments nor did they develop relations. the three long years 1977-80 were rather wasted in searching which hunts in the R&AW and IB.

If you had read my post, it was not meant to degrade the authority or the efforts of the prestigious Indian Organizations, neither was it to degrade Chaudhary Saheb as a leader. I have brought to fore the points which prove that he proved to be a loser as a Prime Minister. And that Mrs Gandhi was the best Prime Minister India has ever got!

The R&AW, IB and the IPS are held in high esteem in India and Indians, I am one of them, and the same goes right for me!

I would, however love to get clarified on somethings which I have missed as facts!

Cheers!

Shobhit Deshwal

No..not the Simla Agreement at all. What shobit deshwal has put down forth...some of the facts are totally erroneous. I cannot be bothered to correct them as what's past is past and it doesn't change things as they are today.

 

[ssindhu]

Dear Vivek,

The facts (Thankfully you have admitted to them as being facts), might be erroneous yet are true!

I remember 4 officers of the R&AW being removed including Mr. Raj Bahadur, all IPS officers, by the Indira Gandhi Government of 1980 because they had developed good terms with Chaudhary Charan Singh and Morarji Desai. One of those IPS officers is stated as being a relative of Chaudhary Saheb.

Your Father might have worked hard and Indiraji might have decieved them, yet what remains as a historical truth is that the Janta Party Government was not at all cabable to get India the respect due to her!

New Delhi lost contacts with leaders in pakistan, Europe, USSR and the US. They neither had good friends in these Governments nor did they develop relations. the three long years 1977-80 were rather wasted in searching which hunts in the R&AW and IB.

If you had read my post, it was not meant to degrade the authority or the efforts of the prestigious Indian Organizations, neither was it to degrade Chaudhary Saheb as a leader. I have brought to fore the points which prove that he proved to be a loser as a Prime Minister. And that Mrs Gandhi was the best Prime Minister India has ever got!

The R&AW, IB and the IPS are held in high esteem in India and Indians, I am one of them, and the same goes right for me!

I would, however love to get clarified on somethings which I have missed as facts!

Cheers!

Shobhit Deshwal

hmm there seem to be big head under that turban. (take in positive stride, people here are obssessed with negative)

 

[kabir]

Most of what wrote against you in a fit of rage has been retracted. Somehow, the feeling that is lingering on is not a great and gratifying after having involved in that altercation. Nonetheless, I couldn't resist this one:

beerbanni ki dhalla chamolle se chhod ke udd jya tu.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14950

Now since you yourself feel so overwhelmingly transsexual that you needed to fake as a woman, you, I suppose, think everyone else is rowing in the same boat. No.

Anyway no bad blood, I rest my case on all this Charan Singh talk on an Indira Gandhi thread but not before correcting you: You mentioned Akbar Road as still the focal point of Jat politics in western UP, you're, don't be surprised, wrong.

Ever since his historic defeat against Sompal Shastri, Ajit Singh has shifted his base to 12, Tughlak Road. RLD's office is at the Talkatora Road and past memories, which are more present to you than here and now, and little else dwell at the Akbar Road.

Now what's Talkatora road's significance? The place which is acting as the makeshift RLD office is the official residence of a powerful MP Anu(radha) Choudhary. Such is her influence on Ajit that the novice, with dubious political prudence, soon became the second-most powerful leader in the party, overstepping many a loyalist and old-timer.

The point I'm driving home is: the Jat poiltics in western UP has freeze-framed with not much to boast about since the post-Akbar Road days. Come and think of it what we have today is only 10 MLAs. In the due Lok Sabha elections, if Ajit manages his own seat that would be a miracle. So why side with a nearly de funct party and it's head, who's all but a leader!

Times of single-caste party are over in UP, the Jats have to be powerbrokers with strong bases in a cross section of parties

 

[kabir]

New Delhi lost contacts with leaders in pakistan, Europe, USSR and the US. They neither had good friends in these Governments nor did they develop relations. the three long years 1977-80 were rather wasted in searching which hunts in the R&AW and IB.

New Delhi never had good relations with Pakistan, Europe and the US. We'd faught a war against the first during Indira's time. The second and the third, were always highly suspicious of India as it owed its allegiance to the USSR, behind the veil of NAM. In fact, two prominent NAM leaders, both vocal in their condemnation of the US, were killed within a short span of each other -- I am talking, of course, about Indira and Olof Palme*, the PM of Sweden. The conspiracy theroists allege the CIA's hand in their assassinations.

And that Mrs Gandhi was the best Prime Minister India has ever got!

The jury is out. But if at all she was, she was the BAD among the WORSE.

*We even have a road after his name in Delhi. A strech of the outer ring road from ISTM to the NH-8 was renamed from Palam Marg (after Palam Airport) to Olof Palme Marg. Cong men have a fetish of renaming roads and buildings and we blame only Mayawati. But that is another issue.

 

[narenderkharb]

Parshant

As per my observation criticism of Vikas is positive in nature and he has same respect for Choudhary Saheb as you me or any other Jat can have.And we have to agree Younger Choudhary is not even a shade of that great soul.But there is no better alternative than him in sight ,our bad luck.

Baki teri ya bat sahi sai ke aad kaiyan ka to bera be koni vo Jat sai be ke na.


Shobit

You are mainly focusing on foreign policy and internal security agencies .

Janta party was not a single man's show ,Morar Ji Desai was a known CIA agent well paid for his role via his son kanti bhai Desai ,that was an open secret ,so all the tilt towards America and its crony ,He was even given Nishane i Haider by Pakistan for that.Saimur hersh exposed openly what was known to many in his Book .

Time and again when ever Jats were in sight of power media controlled by certain sections actively worked against Jat leadership so as to keep them away from power.

Choudhary Charan Singh was having maximum MPs with him but via the mediation of JP ,Morar ji was brought to power.

Again Devilal controlled maximum MPs but he was manipulated by Arun Nehru and Company ,thankless VP Singh showed his true colours once he got power.