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[brahmtewatia]

Moreover, if we look at the paragraph below, every sentence contains 'learner' or 'learning'. It sounds so repetitive that the paragraph loses its rythm and charm. We should use synonyms if same word has to used repetitiously. Words similar in meaning to 'learner' viz. scholar, assimilator, apprentice etc. and similar in meaning to 'learning' viz. acquiring, ascertaining, conning etc. prove to be very effective.

vry rightly said sanjeev, it's like inculcating a self induced discipline which should take care of such repetitions and just need a bit of patience and care on part of an individual, while drafting a sentence.

p.s. : pls. correct me on the usage of need ? or should it be needs ?

 

[dkumars]

Probably, it is the most committed mistake in written English.

Its --> Possessive from of 'It' .
e.g. : Wall paint has lost its shine.

It's --> It + is / It + has .
e.g. : 1. It's(It is) going to be a close encounter.
2. It's(It has) been raining since morning.

Moreover, if we look at the paragraph below, every sentence contains 'learner' or 'learning'. It sounds so repetitive that the paragraph loses its rythm and charm. We should use synonyms if same word has to used repetitiously. Words similar in meaning to 'learner' viz. scholar, assimilator, apprentice etc. and similar in meaning to 'learning' viz. acquiring, ascertaining, conning etc. prove to be very effective.

Many thanks Sanjeev. I am surprised how this thread is going in right direction for a long time . Well, regarding use of it's i was aware that was merely because of laziness. But still I am thankful you pointed this out.
Again my thanks for the another mistake you pointed out that the sentence became quite monotonous and lost its rhythm. I am completely agreed. I shall take care of that in future.

 

[dkumars]

vry rightly said sanjeev, it's like inculcating a self induced discipline which should take care of such repetitions and just need a bit of patience and care on part of an individual, while drafting a sentence.

p.s. : pls. correct me on the usage of need ? or should it be needs ?

I guess it is correct. It should be need only.

 

[brahmtewatia]

Many thanks Sanjeev. I am surprised how this thread is going in right direction for a long time . Well, regarding use of it's i was aware that was merely because of laziness. But still I am thankful you pointed this out.
Again my thanks for the another mistake you pointed out that the sentence became quite monotonous and lost its rhythm. I am completely agreed. I shall take care of that in future.

DK, i'm sorry to correct you again, but this has been discussed earlier and you have repeated the same mistake. pls, take it in the right spirit and correct yourself.

 

[dkumars]

DK, i'm sorry to correct you again, but this has been discussed earlier and you have repeated the same mistake. pls, take it in the right spirit and correct yourself.

Bhai ji i dont find it a mistake here. I am using passive voice so with 'am' it should be agreed only.
If I don use am then it should be I completely agree to this. Refer post http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpost.php?p=185330&postcount=116

 

[bls31]

Few corrections....

I noticed many a times that ppl use "an" as an article before a word which is not starting with a vowel. I am really confused if they are correct or its a new trend.

Many ppl use second form of verb in past negative indefinite tense like I didn't used that or i did not said. Here, again what i read is it shud be first form in indefinite negative tense.

If this is correct or some new trend then please let me know.

Dev

I did not say that is correct, also it should read 'I did not say that'

yes in some case a can be used if it sounds better. There will be many howlers, which could be compiled later.

Yes it a good idea to join a English speaking group, we formed one in1946 when I was in Class Ten.

If you want to write good English, you must read , without reading you cant write well.

An interesting episode, when in MSc at Lucknow University, MS Dhaka , my class fellow dropped in my room in Butler Hostel and noticed me reading a book of fiction written in English. He was scandalized and did complain to few Jat friends and relations, " He read books written in English". To him only text book written in english was the done thing. and possibly I was wasting my time in reading fiction. I wonder where dear MS is now . Bls31

 

[bls31]

Just a little question sir.. Which language do you use in your office? Definitely not Afrikaans i am sure.. This thread is i am sure not started to make fun of the language but to accept that we need to master this language as it is the most preferred language in business communication across the globe. I dont think making fun of the language serves any purpose.

If you read seriously ,there is a lot to learn from what is written about the funny language, Bls 31

 

[pdpbeniwal]

vry rightly said sanjeev, it's like inculcating a self induced discipline which should take care of such repetitions and just need a bit of patience and care on part of an individual, while drafting a sentence.

p.s. : pls. correct me on the usage of need ? or should it be needs ?

I think it should be 'needs'. Above sentence can be written more explicitly like this ......

it is like inculcating a self induced discipline which should take care of such repetitions and it just needs a bit of patience and care on............

As subject is 'it' here so 'needs' would be there...

I may be wrong in subject identification.....So suggestions are invited for further clarification on topic

 

[dkumars]

I think it should be 'needs'. Above sentence can be written more explicitly like this ......

it is like inculcating a self induced discipline which should take care of such repetitions and it just needs a bit of patience and care on............

As subject is 'it' here so 'needs' would be there...

I may be wrong in subject identification.....So suggestions are invited for further clarification on topic

I feel you are correct and i was wrong there.... I just felt it from the flow .. but after examining grammatically i found you are correct.

 

[sannand]

Something about usage of 'a' & 'an'

While deciding between 'a' & 'an' , we should look for vowel sound (simply, pronunciation) in the beginning of the word.
We must not look at the written vowel in the beginning of the word.


General notion among the most of the English speaking crowd is, whenever you see a word starting with a vowel, put 'an' and for rest of 'em, put 'a' . This is very dangerous.

Infact, we should always focus on the vowel sound.

For example:
1. Word 'European' starts with E, which is a vowel. So, most of the people will say, use 'an' before it. But, the correct sentence is :
Germany is a european country.
This is because, 'european' doesn't start with a vowel sound, when put orally. It is pronounced as 'yorupian'. Hence, 'a'.
Another example is 'University'. Because 'University' is pronounced as 'yunivarsiti', it will always be written as 'a university'.

2. Word 'Honourary' starts with H, which is not a vowel. Hence, majority of us will put 'a' in front of it. But, the correct sentence is:
Sanjeev is on an honourary post.
Again, reason lies in the pronunciation. The word is articulated as 'onureri' . Hence, 'an'.


Crux of the matter is, figure out the exact pronunciation and you will come up with the correct article.

 

[pnauhwar21]

While deciding between 'a' & 'an' , we should look for vowel sound (simply, pronunciation) in the beginning of the word.
We must not look at the written vowel in the beginning of the word.

Sanjeev - While I agree with your examples, I don't agree with your explanation completely. Vowels are a, e, i, o, u (pronounced as in 'you')

So if we just take the premise that all words starting with vowel sounds on pronunciation should have 'an' before them, european should have 'an' before it as it sounds like starting as letter 'u'. Similarly, 'Year' sounds to be starting with 'e' but its usually written as 'a year' instead of 'an year'.

I myself couldn't find any clear-cut explanation for usage of 'a' and 'an' for such words as mentioned above, but generally we can safely assume that letters starting with sound of a vowel should have 'an' in front of them. Feel free to clarify if I missed anything..

 

[sannand]

Further on this ...... !

Hello Prashant,

As far as I am aware, word 'year' is pronounced as 'yi^r(read it in Hindi)' , not as 'iar'. So the sound that it makes in the beginning is Y ( Y as in Yogesh/Yaar/Yug), but not E as you quoted. So it can never be 'an year' , but is 'a year'.

Similarly 'european' is pronounced as 'yor^pian(again, read it in Hindi)'. So, the first sound that it makes is Y (Y as in Yogesh/Yaar/Yug), but not U.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, it is very critical to figure out the correct pronunciation, o'wise it can get pretty messy.

PS: In English phonetics,
E is chhotti e.
I is badi e.
^ is cut sound. It sounds like aadha a( a as in anaar). For example, HUT is pronounced as H^T.

Sanjeev - While I agree with your examples, I don't agree with your explanation completely. Vowels are a, e, i, o, u (pronounced as in 'you')

So if we just take the premise that all words starting with vowel sounds on pronunciation should have 'an' before them, european should have 'an' before it as it sounds like starting as letter 'u'. Similarly, 'Year' sounds to be starting with 'e' but its usually written as 'a year' instead of 'an year'.

I myself couldn't find any clear-cut explanation for usage of 'a' and 'an' for such words as mentioned above, but generally we can safely assume that letters starting with sound of a vowel should have 'an' in front of them. Feel free to clarify if I missed anything..

 

[sanjeev_balyan]

Hello Prashant,

As far as I am aware, word 'year' is pronounced as 'yi^r(read it in Hindi)' , not as 'iar'. So the sound that it makes in the beginning is Y ( Y as in Yogesh/Yaar/Yug), but not E as you quoted. So it can never be 'an year' , but is 'a year'.

Similarly 'european' is pronounced as 'yor^pian(again, read it in Hindi)'. So, the first sound that it makes is Y (Y as in Yogesh/Yaar/Yug), but not U.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, it is very critical to figure out the correct pronunciation, o'wise it can get pretty messy.

PS: In English phonetics,
E is chhotti e.
I is badi e.
^ is cut sound. It sounds like aadha a( a as in anaar). For example, HUT is pronounced as H^T.

Thank you Nandal,
actually, knowledge of real consonants, vowels and diphthongs (these r totally different from 26 letters) is must for correct pronunciation. weak, strong, stress and other way of using these phonetic symbols can only solve such type of doubts. again there r many ways of pronunciation any word as per US / UK and other style. I am giving the simplest example
CAR- it is का + आधा र in UK
CAR - it is का + आ in US (it is difficult to write)
BTW, Phonetics is a very interesting topic.

 

[bls31]

Sanjeev - While I agree with your examples, I don't agree with your explanation completely. Vowels are a, e, i, o, u (pronounced as in 'you')

So if we just take the premise that all words starting with vowel sounds on pronunciation should have 'an' before them, european should have 'an' before it as it sounds like starting as letter 'u'. Similarly, 'Year' sounds to be starting with 'e' but its usually written as 'a year' instead of 'an year'.

The general rule is that:it is pronunciation, not spelling that governs the use of between a and an, kindly refer to 'The Right word at the Right Time', A guide to The English Language And How To Use It . A Reader's Digest Publication. BLS31

 

[pnauhwar21]

As I mentioned in my earlier post, it is very critical to figure out the correct pronunciation, o'wise it can get pretty messy.

Thanks for the clarification Sanjeev..you are right..I misjudged the fine difference between u & yo, e & ye

 

[brahmtewatia]

Again my thanks for the another mistake you pointed out that the sentence became quite monotonous and lost its rhythm. I am completely agreed. I shall take care of that in future.

DK, i'm sorry to correct you again, but this has been discussed earlier and you have repeated the same mistake. pls, take it in the right spirit and correct yourself.

Bhai ji i dont find it a mistake here. I am using passive voice so with 'am' it should be agreed only.
If I dont use am then it should be I completely agree to this. Refer post http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpo...&postcount=116

DK, i am not so convinced with your explanation because i guess...

1). "agree" cannot be used as a passive, as you are not agreed by someone.
2). secondly i feel "i am agreed" sounds like there is more than one of me. i guess it is latin american (spanish) format where "agree" is an adjective, not a verb.
3). lastly, i guess with the usage of "am" first form of verb + ing is used... if i can remember correctly.

i would like to submit as under:

"I agree with you"
"I am in agreement with you"
"I am in complete/perfect/total agreement"
"I agree totally/completely..."

i would request others to clarify on this.

 

[dkumars]

DK, i am not so convinced with your explanation because i guess...

1). "agree" cannot be used as a passive, as you are not agreed by someone.
2). secondly i feel "i am agreed" sounds like there is more than one of me. i guess it is latin american (spanish) format where "agree" is an adjective, not a verb.
3). lastly, i guess with the usage of "am" first form of verb + ing is used... if i can remember correctly.

i would like to submit as under:

"I agree with you"
"I am in agreement with you"
"I am in complete/perfect/total agreement"
"I agree totally/completely..."

i would request others to clarify on this.

Bhai ji thanks again for pointing out my mistake and i shall take care of it.

But regarding ing , that happen in the case of continuous tense. In passive voice we always use 3rd form of the verb, I guess. Like
* I am not done with my job.
* My mistake is corrected by Mr Brahm

But, I agree with the sentences you formed convey the same meaning in a better way.

I request others, please throw some light on this

 

[bls31]

I have seen many times ppl share their drinks, food etc ... Here, in Hindi we have got a word "Jhootha" Ex. mein nahi peeta, ye paani jhootha hai. So, i am confused how do we translate this. As English guys don have such concept of jhootha.
Presently i translate it like, I wont drink this glass of water because it is used one.

Any better replacement for this ?

There is no literal translation. However, the sense is conveyed by Placards placed, on side tables in Service Messes whenever there is a social dinner,with :Used Plates" written on them. If one visits the drinking water counter in Haldi Rams, one would find "Used Glasses" written on the shelf where one is expected to return the glass after taking a drink.bls31

 

[dkumars]

DK, i am not so convinced with your explanation because i guess...

1). "agree" cannot be used as a passive, as you are not agreed by someone.
2). secondly i feel "i am agreed" sounds like there is more than one of me. i guess it is latin american (spanish) format where "agree" is an adjective, not a verb.
3). lastly, i guess with the usage of "am" first form of verb + ing is used... if i can remember correctly.

i would like to submit as under:

"I agree with you"
"I am in agreement with you"
"I am in complete/perfect/total agreement"
"I agree totally/completely..."

i would request others to clarify on this.

Bhai ji thanks again for pointing out my mistake and i shall take care of it.

But regarding ing , that happen in the case of continuous tense. In passive voice we always use 3rd form of the verb, I guess. Like
* I am not done with my job.
* My mistake is corrected by Mr Brahm

But, I agree with the sentences you formed convey the same meaning in a better way.

I request others, please throw some light on this

There is no literal translation. However, the sense is conveyed by Placards placed, on side tables in Service Messes whenever there is a social dinner,"With Used Plates" written on them. If one visits the drinking water counter in Haldi Rams, one would find "Used Glasses" written on the shelf where one is expected to return the glass after taking a drink.bls31

Sir, Please correct us on this above issue also. We both are little confused here and seek for your help.

 

[pdpbeniwal]

This is an excerpt from an English Grammar book.

There are certain instances which can be both active and passive.

Active............................................................. Passive
He dressed elegantly................................ He is dressed elegantly.
He married............................................... He is married.
They starved.............................................They were starved.
It sells......................................................It is sold.
I determine to go.......................................I am determined to go.
I oppose the measure.................................I am opposed to the measure.
I agree......................................................I am agreed.

Evidently the passive voice form denotes a state while the active, the action. The subject in the active voice is responsible for the action suggested by the verb there, while the subject in the passive voice does no such thing.

First two sentences are even doubtful to me. May be this could help somewhat.....