Again a Gotra-Marriage Row!!

Many of us think that not letting this couple live in the village is very reasonable. Well I don't think so. Everyone has right to live in his/her village. If someone doesn't like that, don't keep contact with them.
For example, I would not want any one to tell me to leave my village If I believe that I haven't done anything wrong and so does the law. I don't want to be at mercy of someone for even having the right to stay at my birthplace.

Also since so much is going about socially unacceptable marriages, I was wondering what do the panchayats do to people who do intercaste love marriages. Are those people also thrown out of villages?
 
""What an Idea Sir ji ""

Our Trust worthy Policemen on the job.

Haryana cops to set up safe houses for runaway lovers
Deepender Deswal, TNN 13 August 2009,



ROHTAK: Blamed for inaction in stopping honour killings by khap (caste) panchayats, Haryana police have hit upon a new idea of setting up secure homes for runaway couples. With senior cops seriously brainstorming over the new plan, an eloping couple may no longer have to go into hiding. A safe place will then shelter them at the nearest town from their village.

Concerned over disturbing episodes of couples being butchered for falling in love, ADGP (law and order) V N Rai said the number of youngsters approaching courts and police was growing. ‘‘With over a dozen such cases being reported each month, we are considering creation of homes where young couples will feel secure,’’ Rai said. The ADGP also promised to take other necessary steps to check such incidents in rural areas, where in the name of khap justice, young couples are being evicted, threatened and even killed.

‘‘After reviewing social and legal aspects in a meeting attended by DGP, IGs and SPs, certain guidelines have been evolved to tackle the menace,’’ he said.

Citing three judgments made by the Supreme Court and high courts forest training khap panchayats, Rai said: ‘‘The police will follow court directives in letter and spirit. It has been decided to hold SPs accountable for ensuring protection to couples after informing the courts concerned.’’

According to an 11-point note prepared by officials in the meeting, the cases will be centrally monitored through coordination by DIG (law and order). It also states that a couple, if major, shall be facilitated to record their versions before a judicial magistrate and security cover will continue even after a protected couple leaves the jurisdiction of concerned SHO, who will be under obligation to convey their status to the next police station.

It also promises to follow trials vigorously for maximum conviction by depending more upon scientific evidence instead of oral statements, provide protection to witnesses and make khap leaders who give illegal calls for tormenting, evicting and killing victims liable for crime.
 
narenderkharb said:
Our Trust worthy Policemen on the job.

Haryana cops to set up safe houses for runaway lovers
Deepender Deswal, TNN 13 August 2009,
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bhaisaab yo kaam to badiya ho gya eb ghaar bhi sarkar gailya de degi aur gunman bhi ,na ta kama ke len m haanga lagta , bhaisaaab par ya scheme late aai apna time to jaa liya eb k faayada ;)
 
What a shame

JIN JATOO NY APNI BAHIN-BETI KI
RESPECT-MARYADA KY LIYE
VEDESI-MUSALMANO SY KITNE YUDH LADE
PADMANI KI LAAJ KO BACHAYA
BHURA-BADAL BANKAR
JAMAL FATTA BAN KAR
YUDH MAE KURWANI DE.
KALANAUR KY KOLE KO TODA.
UN KY SUHAG KI RAKSHA
2-2 PAISE KI PULISIYE KARGY.
GHAR GHAR MAE CHAND MOHMAND
AUR FIZA PADA HONGI
AUR UNKA MUKLAWA- HONEY MOON
POLICE KI SURAKHSA MAE HOGA
YA POLICEYE KARGY- JASE ROHTAK
AUR DUSARE POLICE STATION MAE
HUWA HAE- HOTA RAHA HAE-
HOTA RAHEGA- SHARM KI BAT HAE.
hINDU MARRIAGE ACT KO BADLO.
SARAVKHAP PANCHAYAT KO
DUBARA SY ACTIVE KARO.
3 GOTRA MARYADA AUR
JAT BHAICHARA KO JIWAT RAKO.
HAMARI CULTURE MAHAN HAE
YAH SABHI APNE FUTURE GENERATION
KO SAMJHO KI JAT GANRAJ- PARIVARVAD
GOTRA SYSTEM-PANCHAYAT- KHAP
SARAVKHAP- GAUN RAM KAYA HAE
AAJ KA PARJATANTAR-
PANCHAYATI RAJ HI HAE
LOK RAJ LOK LAAJ SY CHALTA HAE.
STOP HONOUR KILLING
STOP MARRIAGE IN SAME GOTRA
SAME VILLAGE- SAME KHAP
STOP DOWRY- STOP WIFE BURNING
STOP SAME SEX MARRIAGE AS WELL.
READ HISTORY OF SARAVKHAP
MARTYRS AND FREEDOM FIGHTERS
WRITTEN BY
DHARMPAL SINGH DUDEE
 
Marriage is the very foundation of civil society. The relation once formed, the law & the society step in and hold the parties to various obligations & liabilities. It is an institution in the maintenance of which the public is deeply interested because it is the foundation of the family & of society without which there should be neither civillisation nor progress. No doubt, marriage is a voluntary union of one man with one woman to the exclusion of all others. Alien it is not to law, in public and social interest to enact compulsive conditions for such a union. Under the act, marriage is both a contract & sanskaraThe Hindu marriage act is a compromise of customs and manners of marriage in different communities in different parts of the country.The marriage under the code has a religious,spiritual & secular significance.. It creates mutual rights and obligations and confirms status.

Sources of Hindu Law:- Shruti, ( dharam sastras) Smriti (commentries) & costoms. While drafting the Hindu marriage Act some limits have to be prescribedto pervent incestuous marriages and that is why rules in confirmity with the principle of exogamy and eugenics which were all the bases of ancient rules which prohibited marriages between persons belonging to the same gotra or the the same priwara.
Custom & usage:- signify any rule/practice which having been continuously and unifrmly obsered for a long time has obtained the force of law in any local area, tribe, community, group or family, provided the rule/practice is reasonable, certain and not oppose to public policy.

Conditions for a Hindu marriage:-
1) Neither party has a spouse liing at the time of the marriage. or
2) At the time of the marriage neither party is incapable of giving a valid consent to it in consequence of unsoundness of mind or suffering from mental disorder of such a kind or to such an extent as to be unfit for marriage and the procreation of children or has been subject to recurrent attacks of insanty or
3) the bridegroom has comleted 21 & the bride has comleted 18 years of age. or
4) The parties are not with in the degree of prohibited relationship proided the custom or usage governing each of them permits marriage between two. or
5) The parties are not sapindas of each other unless the custom or usage governing each of them permits of a marriage between the two. see next post of mine please
 
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PART-2 Please read my post on khanp panchayats and Indian judicial system.

PART 3
RIght of every body is there to marry as per his choice but right is always accompanied by the duty/obligation. while enjoying/ taking your right you cannot disturb/harm/pervent/take away some body else right also you have to remain with in the legal and social limits as laid down. Child, insane & person having living spouse also has right/desire to marry but are they allowed, tommarow somebody can say that he/she donnot want use cloths, will people permit such act, tommarow there might be a case where brother & sister want to have their right of this nature, will anybody allow such incident. All our rights and actions do have some legal, social or physical limits which evry one must accept to enjoy his/her rights. If evry body starts enjoying his/her rights without considering others rights than certainly there will be total cofusion , no peace or social order,no discipline, no work, no progress, etc I donnot want to take more time of all, I request every body to think peacefully on the topic again, khanp panchayats are for good of the society & the yougth also, they are part of our calture, people managing khanps are our people & i am sure 99.9% they are not responsible for any killing. Why the law makers have put some ristriction marriage? why not free for all.Khanp panchayat system, religion, judicial system, customs, etc are always started for the good of the society & individuals in the society, however, their functioning may at times be unsuitable to some, human factor is always there. There is a requirement of batter understanding & improvement in the functioning of these panchayats. Regards
 
Another murder over gotra row

One more bad news,

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20091028/main6.htm

Another murder over gotra row
Sandeep Yadav
Tribune News Service

New Delhi, October 27
A man was killed by family members of the girl he dared to marry despite being from the same “gotra” and same village, thus defying the khap panchayat order. The couple that lived in the Samalkha area of Haryana had come to visit a friend in the Narela area of Delhi on Diwali night when the incident took place. The matter was reported to the police by the wife of the deceased. The police has managed to arrest four persons from Delhi and Haryana in connection with the case.

According to the police, Virender Singh (24) of Mahara village in Sonepat district of Haryana was murdered by family members of his wife Shikha (name changed) in connivance with two other persons of their village. The incident took place at Sandeep’s house at Narela and later the body was dumped in a canal in the Sonepat area.

“We have arrested four persons, including Shikha’s brother Pawan, in connection with the case. The body has been recovered and the Maruti van used in the crime confiscated,” said DCP Katiyar.

Those arrested have been identified as Daya Singh, Inderjeet and Sandeep, all belonging to Mahara village. According to the DCP, the reason behind the killing was a love affair and marriage by Shikha and Virender with both belonging to the same “gotra”. The DCP said Shikha was also raped by Sandeep and Inderjeet after they ensured that Virender was dead.

According to information, Virender and Shikha, fell in love with each other during school days.

“In 2006, they ran away from their village. A case of kidnapping was lodged against Virender, who was later sent to jail. While Virender was in jail, Shikha was forcibly married to another man, who maltreated her. Shikha left her matrimonial home and started living with Virender in the Samaipur Badli area of Delhi. Later, they got married at Chandigarh. Then they shifted to Samalkha, Haryana, and started living together there,” DCP Katiyar said.
 
Kaal ke akhbaar me is Khabar pe likh rakhya tha ak "juthi ijjat ki khatir " to eb koi en ta nyu bhujaniya ho ke ye akhbaar aalle saachi ijjat Kyaa n maane s ..........
 
Susre yeh jhangi came from pakistan in ke hode to same gaam bhee kar let thee aur same gotar main bhee. Inka e raaj chalega aage to bhai yeah to same law against same gotra ne bhee oppose kar denge.

There is a law a man can not marry a man and vice versa. Why can't we have a law prohibiting marriage in same gotra? They can justify this even scientifically.
 
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raka said:
Kaal ke akhbaar me is Khabar pe likh rakhya tha ak "juthi ijjat ki khatir " to eb koi en ta nyu bhujaniya ho ke ye akhbaar aalle saachi ijjat Kyaa n maane s ..........
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Ghankhre akhbaar aale editor panjabi, baniye aur in bargi soch aale paye jan s. in panjabiyan ka koi kalcher to ha nahin, ijjat n ye jante nahin. yeh ladte hain paise khater, Jat ladte hain "ijjat" khater. Jat jis chij n bachan ke laag rahen hain ya inke samajh m na aati.:rock:rock
 
lots of people here use very derogatory words for other communities which is very sad...

well, why point to other communities, there are several people here who also believe that all this ijjat business is jhooth and i supprt them. stop blaming others.
 
Females in Jat families remained supressed always.No body took them seriously as regards to their dreams,aspirations,their dignity and so on.They were only told to shut up and walk keeping their heads down.Our girls have been made to carry a very low self esteem and thus have faced the crisis of confidence always barring a few exceptions(from progressive families).Ofcourse marriage in own gotra is bad and young people should desist from that in the larger interest of the society but i firmly believe that Girls and their feelings as regards to her decisions must be respected and honoured.We are in 21 century and JAT mentality is the thing of past.If we wish to move forward then TAKIYANUSHI ideas and rogue thinking must be curbed,Be progressive and move with the times can do the trick.There is nothing so proud in being loud mouth and snobs.
 
Dear, progress does'nt means that we forgot our social values, culture, norms, we should also be well aware of all these things. at least we are living in a society.We should educate our children, fellow people that such kind of marriages are not acceptable, not socially even scientifically also .i am also not in favour of honor killing. But there is need to impleament law( little bit in Haryana) which forbid marraige in the same gotra, same villages.
 
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Dear, progress does'nt means that we forgot our social values, culture, norms, we should also be well aware of all these things. at least we are living in a society.We should educate our children, fellow people that such kind of marriages are not acceptable, not socially even scientifically also .i am also not in favour of honor killing. But there is need to impleament law( little bit in Haryana) which forbid marraige in the same gotra, same villages.
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Hi Mate,

I think you didn't read my post carefully!

I am not asking you to forget something. Let me ask you one simple thing.

Say A is from village khadagpur and loves a girl B from village daulatpur. They are dating each other for a few years. Now don't tell me this doesn't happen in haryana or other jatland. He love that girl so much that he can't think of living without her and she feel the same. At present they are in a metro city but when they went back they were told they can't marry because Nani's gotra or something clash. Opppss love doesn't match Gorta !! What should A do? Care for a society(who hardly cares for him) and marry someone else. Thus ruining three lives or should shun this society and marry B and live happily thereafter? I am sure science has nothing to do here and we don't need an Einstein to answer this.

I am still to see when the Jat society will say dowry should be banned and kill or punish those who seek dowry or those who mis-treat the innocent bahu.
 
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Hi Mate,

I think you didn't read my post carefully!

I am not asking you to forget something. Let me ask you one simple thing.

Say A is from village khadagpur and loves a girl B from village daulatpur. They are dating each other for a few years. Now don't tell me this doesn't happen in haryana or other jatland. He love that girl so much that he can't think of living without her and she feel the same. At present they are in a metro city but when they went back they were told they can't marry because Nani's gotra or something clash. Opppss love doesn't match Gorta !! What should A do? Care for a society(who hardly cares for him) and marry someone else. Thus ruining three lives or should shun this society and marry B and live happily thereafter? I am sure science has nothing to do here and we don't need an Einstein to answer this.

I am still to see when the Jat society will say dowry should be banned and kill or punish those who seek dowry or those who mis-treat the innocent bahu.
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Yes Dear might be possible that i didn't read your post carefully but see extract from your post" If two person love each other let them marry and live happily even if they are from same village or gotra or whatever(as long as it doesn't fall under incest relationship)".
Now please also see your present example is also different from what you had said.
I also would like to tell you that Nani's gotra is exempted during marriage.Even in such cases grand mother's or mothers gotra have never been in dispute. It has been only a matter of same gotra or same village .As far as regarding so much love that they can't leave without each other, I think adaptation is the basic nature of human being, if both are mature then they can understand it easly. I have already said that i m not in favour of honor killing, but still got married then they should not be allowed to live in the same village

Jat society is always saying the dowry should be banned. it is less prevailed in our jat society as campare to others. jats never made any demand for dowry and now a days no one is so innocent.
 
sanjaymalik said:
Yes Dear might be possible that i didn't read your post carefully but see extract from your post" If two person love each other let them marry and live happily even if they are from same village or gotra or whatever(as long as it doesn't fall under incest relationship)".
Now please also see your present example is also different from what you had said.
I also would like to tell you that Nani's gotra is exempted during marriage.Even in such cases grand mother's or mothers gotra have never been in dispute. It has been only a matter of same gotra or same village .As far as regarding so much love that they can't leave without each other, I think adaptation is the basic nature of human being, if both are mature then they can understand it easly. I have already said that i m not in favour of honor killing, but still got married then they should not be allowed to live in the same village

Jat society is always saying the dowry should be banned. it is less prevailed in our jat society as campare to others. jats never made any demand for dowry and now a days no one is so innocent.
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Hi Friend,

I pick up nani's gotra just an example as this was an issue in one of the posts. It can be dadi's gorta or can be same village or can be nearby village or can be same gorta as long as its not an incest relationship. The question still remain the same. But you answered as I expected. You say as long as they leave the village jat society has no problem with them? Is that what you want to say?
I just want to know why we can't allow them to live in the same village but have no problem if they live in nearby village?


Also what does this mean "As far as regarding so much love that they can't leave without each other, I think adaptation is the basic nature of human being, if both are mature then they can understand it easly".

You mean to say A shouldn't marry B?? if yes, than y only individual has to adept why not society sometimes adept as per individual need?

Also you say jat never made any demand for dowry appears very naive to me? I bet they do!! ;). I know lot of marriages are decided on how much can they give us? which car? blah blah. You might be different but how can you say on behalf of whole community when everyone knows that it does exist. Go to any marriage so that you can see dowry exchange!!

The first thing often they ask after the marriage is " Bahu to thik he are nu bata kitne ek de diye"

Again this is not directed at you dost but at our society in general. Also I know there are a few who are against dowry and other social evils but trust me only a few.
 
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vipin80 said:
Hi Friend,

I pick up nani's gotra just an example as this was an issue in one of the posts. It can be dadi's gorta or can be same village or can be nearby village or can be same gorta as long as its not an incest relationship. The question still remain the same. But you answered as I expected. You say as long as they leave the village jat society has no problem with them? Is that what you want to say?
I just want to know why we can't allow them to live in the same village but have no problem if they live in nearby village?


Also what does this mean "As far as regarding so much love that they can't leave without each other, I think adaptation is the basic nature of human being, if both are mature then they can understand it easly".

You mean to say A shouldn't marry B?? if yes, than y only individual has to adept why not society sometimes adept as per individual need?

Also you say jat never made any demand for dowry appears very naive to me? I bet they do!! ;). I know lot of marriages are decided on how much can they give us? which car? blah blah. You might be different but how can you say on behalf of whole community when everyone knows that it does exist. Go to any marriage so that you can see dowry exchange!!

The first thing often they ask after the marriage is " Bahu to thik he are nu bata kitne ek de diye"

Again this is not directed at you dost but at our society in general. Also I know there are a few who are against dowry and other social evils but trust me only a few.
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Do you think that neaby villagers will allow them to live in their village. No there is no room for such couples in country side or dehat ,they must move to metros where their love grows, because only in metro people can accept them not in villages.

on the point of chage in society it would be difficult to change huge no. of peoples then a single person these are based on value, social norms tat keeps peoples intact. it would be better to change individual himself if he is against the law of land.

Execption are always there, there are many families those do not accept and demand dowry.
 
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