NRI vs Resident Indians !!!

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It requires lion's heart to go through all the posts running into six pages; and hence I would apologize to those whose posts I did not read before getting on to posting my views. Having read some posts here; I have come to the conclusion that the discussion is on "Two approaches" that people take:
1. Some people back home think; that NRI's are not doing enough for the nation; and actually betraying the nation by getting education in India and then working abroad.
2. Some people living abroad (NRI's) think, that people who think as above (mentioned in 1) are those who wanted to go abroad, but could not go for whatever reasons, and their views are as a result of frustration.

To justify, our views we are giving all kind of examples, from driving Taxis and cleaining Toilets in foreign land, to the physical discomforts due to polution, outrageous traffice, law and order problems, and so on, the list goes on.

There are different reasons, that people leave their villages, and countries. Historically, people have migrated from one place to another for better opportunities. As they saying goes that the "Grass looks green on otherside of the hill". Every thing that shines is not a gold we all know that.

Now to the subject. If I got the question right; my answer in simplest form is that; (to thinking mentioned in 1 & 2 above) it shows lack of understanding of the issues and shallowness of ideas/views. More than any thing else it is the self ego, or frustration that results in bashing of any community, religion, nation or culture. We tend to pass judgement without hearing the case. I think some of you had posted "Nathuram Godse's" argument/statement at his trial; when he described Gandhi is judge of his own case; the irony is that Nathuram did the same. He became his own judge and thus assassinated Gandhi.

1. Those who feel, driving Taxis and cleaning toilets is a bad thing to do to make a living. To them, I would say that it is better than robbing people on street, occupying position of power and making money out of it and taking bribe to do one's own duty for which you get a salary that you agreed to get. These taxi drivers and Janitors have worked hard to put their children in best of schools. Not only that, there are convenience store owners, who come to their store, rain or shine, and keep the coffee ready at 5 AM in the morning in sub zero tempratures, why? because they want to ensure that their children can have a good education and better life. Essentially, what they are doing? They are helping people (their children) become better and meaningful member of the society. Now compare it to the son of a landlord in your own village (if still some people have enough land to meet the definition) who gets up at whatever time and wastes his time and his father's money for whatever he does.

2. Why a good thing should be linked to a particular nation, culture, religion or caste. You have good and bad people across the spectrum of society in every country. You talk about NRI's treated badly abroad. I have seen, Indians treated badly in India. Chamar, Chudhe whom you don't allow to drink water from your well and whom you don't allow to sit on your charpoy, are they not Indians? We so called intellectuals (as we all think that we are) have created so many bounds and breakers to divide the community all across the world, we know the ill effects of it but the effort continues relentlessly. All that we believe in NRI Vs RI's, Hindu Vs Muslim, Indian Vs Foreigners, White vs Black, Jat vs a Non Jat.

I wonder when would be the time, when we will look at another human being as a human being and treat him/her absolutely based on his/her contribution to the society and the skills that person has. Read my line below: Never judge people what they do, judge them how they do.

World is not perfect, and that is why it is called World, remember the sentence "Ye Duniya Hai Yaar". A taxi driver and a Janitor contribute as much to the society as any one else. Imagine if a Janitor does not come and clean your toilet one day? (I am talking about the time when you did not have flush system in villages); your house would have stinked more than your mind. Someone talked about people having four girl friends in foreign countries. Well, we don't know someone in India may be having even more. But why that should be an issue in first place. Have as many girl friend as you can afford. If you think that it is immoral; then don't have one. What do you mean by Girl friend? Does that mean that the person sleeps with all of them? Can't one have any other relationship with a woman? And if that be just a moral issue, then why do you like Raja Dashrath; he had three wives. King Bhimbhsar had three wives. Ajatshatru married his maternal uncles daughter effectively cousin. We don't mind that, but we always bash Islam for similar traditions. Why do we have double standards?

It is painful to read some of the comments people have made on this thread specially so because most of us are educated. Kindly think outside the box. Approach the issue in its entirity. Positive thinking may be more helpful. And remeber; money really does not make any one permanently happy or unhappy.

If one gets two full meals in a day; Happiness is just the state of mind thereafter.
 
Pride and Glory!

Bhai Shailendra,
I read the same news on BBC two days ago(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8513201.stm), but I was hesitant to post it here.(given history of this thread and passionate people on both sides).

Its really shameful that our govt is not able to provide reasonable support to these athletes.
We have developed a culture of deviation and excuses in last 60 yrs. I had almost same discussion ( I would say heated arguments) in my office with some of young guys, who are here in DC working for a Indian software company.

I hope this culture of deception will change in India.(in our life time).

...well, the most important thing highlighted here by posting the news clip is to point out that the NRI community stepped up to the plate and contributed....on an issue that they obviously hold pride in....doesn't matter where they were living, working or paying taxes to,.... this was what we all 'ambassadors of India living abroad' undoubtedly hold dear within ourselves....the Nation....who cares if these sportspersons were not properly attired, equipped or not (or what the reasons must have been) the idea is to not walk away from here by finger-pointing.......understand, for these Indians from the diaspora community in Canada the most important, critical need of the moment was to make sure the country is not let down in anyone else's eyes when it's representatives take their moment infront of the rest of the world!!!....
 
Bhai Phogat,

It seems you have not read my post well. I was just saying that a non contributing NRI is much better than a corrupt RI who is abusing his job. The point was that NRIs are not harming India's interests in any way. What affects Indians more is bad Indians (corrupt, dishonest.... types) rather than RI or NRI.

Bhai vijay,

An NRI pays tax in the country in which he is earning, Indian IT act not applicable to him

RI's

Most of businessmans do not pay taxes & Bureacrts & govt servents are corrupt, which is not an India specific problem, still our growth rate is 7.5% when european countries r degrowing.

Eb kun achha perform kare se dekh ley.
 
indian govt can give padmashree awrds to royal family and star parents kids but can not provide funds for the unprivileged but skilled playes.if these businesses had paid their taxes and politicians were fair then these less famed sports mans would have gotten their share of the countries growth.my son goes to a public school which is equivalent to sarkari school of india.he was identified as bright and referred for further IQ testing when he was in second grade only.do kids back home get that kind of privilege.
Bhai vijay,

An NRI pays tax in the country in which he is earning, Indian IT act not applicable to him

RI's

Most of businessmans do not pay taxes & Bureacrts & govt servents are corrupt, which is not an India specific problem, still our growth rate is 7.5% when european countries r degrowing.

Eb kun achha perform kare se dekh ley.
 
Brahm ... kyo aade mattha mare sei .... Vancouver ho aaya ... tere dhore hoga ... jee saa aa jyaaga.
Don't bother at all what fools over here think about anything ... they are just haters .... have fun.
 
Ritu, as Sid has said they just dont want to accept things. For them 7.5% growth rate is more important. What is the use of such growth rate if we still have one third of worlds's poor people in India itself. This growth rate has increased the divide between poor and rich further. But if an NRI say this, then he is labeled as anti India. Truth is always bitter.

One-third of world's poor in India: Survey
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/One-third_of_worlds_poor_in_India/articleshow/3409374.cms

indian govt can give padmashree awrds to royal family and star parents kids but can not provide funds for the unprivileged but skilled playes.if these businesses had paid their taxes and politicians were fair then these less famed sports mans would have gotten their share of the countries growth.my son goes to a public school which is equivalent to sarkari school of india.he was identified as bright and referred for further IQ testing when he was in second grade only.do kids back home get that kind of privilege.
 
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पता नहीं वर्ल्ड बैंक जैसी संस्थाएं और इस दुनिया के तथाकथित विकसित देश भारत के गरीबों के प्रति इतने चिंतित क्यों रहते हैं. जो इस दुनिया के सबसे अमीर देश हैं, वहाँ के लोग अपनी अमीरी भरी जिंदगी में क्या तीर मार लेते हैं? ज्यादा महँगी शराब पी लेते हैं? कसिनो में जुआ खेल लेते हैं? एक हज़ार से ज्यादा स्त्रियों के साथ अनैतिक संबंध बना लेते हैं? 4 रोटियों की बजाय 50 -50 रोटी खाने लगते हैं? अगर ऐसा करना ही अमीरी है तो गरीब होना इससे कहीं अच्छा है.
किसी ने अपने प्रयासों से अपना व्यापार शुरू किया और गरीबों की मेहनत से एक सफल व्यावसायी बन गया, अच्छी बात है, लेकिन ऐसा करके कोई ये समझेगा कि वो कोई बहुत बड़ा सूरमा बन गया और गरीब आदमी कीड़े-मकौड़े हैं तो बेवक़ूफ़ ही कहा जाएगा. हालांकि इस दुनिया में गरीबों की कोई इज्जत नहीं करता, लेकिन अमीरों की इज्जत भी तो उनसे फायदा उठाने वाले उनके आस-पास के लोग ही करते हैं. और भला उन्हें कौन पूछता है?
इस दुनिया की सबसे बड़ी हकीकत तो ये है कि कोई अपने में भले ही खुश होता रहे कि उसने अरबों की दौलत इकट्ठा कर ली, लेकिन उसने कुछ नहीं किया होता. जिस तरह से कोई गरीब मरता है, उसी तरह से अमीर मरता है (बूढा होकर और तरह-तरह के दुःख झेलकर). अगर अमीर को ये गुमान होता है कि वो खूब ऐश लेकर मरा है तो गरीब को ये संतोष होता है कि पैसा न होने के कारण ही सही, चलो उसने बुरे काम कम किए.
इस दुनिया में अमीरी का मज़ा है तो गरीबी का भी अपना अलग ही मजा है. अमीर आदमी खुले में घूमता हुआ भी डरेगा, कहीं कोई अपहरण ना कर ले, कहीं कोई कीमती सामान न छीन ले. वहीं गरीब को किसी बात की कोई चिंता ही नहीं होती. उसके पास कुछ खोने को होता ही नहीं है. यही कारण है कि इस दुनिया में सब जी लेते हैं. अगर ऐसा होता कि अमीर लोगों को न कोई बीमारी होती और वे 500 साल तक की जिंदगी जीते तो फिर तो गरीबों को बहुत दुःख होता कि हमारा तो इस दुनिया में आना ही बेकार गया. इस दुनिया में अगर किसी का स्वास्थ्य अच्छा है तो वो अमीर है और अगर स्वास्थ्य अच्छा नहीं है तो वो गरीब है. इस दुनिया में स्वास्थ्य उनका अच्छा होता है जो कड़ा शारीरिक श्रम करते हैं, जैसे किसान और मजदूर या फिर वो लोग जो अपने स्वास्थ्य के प्रति जागरूक होते हैं और व्यायाम तो करते ही हैं, साथ ही ज्यादा बुरे काम भी नहीं करते. देखा जाए तो इस दुनिया में किसान और मजदूर भी कम अमीर नहीं होते, जो काफी हद तक अपने शरीर को स्वस्थ बनाए रखते हैं. बदनसीब हैं वे लोग जिन पर बेशुमार दौलत है. दौलत होने पर इंसान का बुरे शौकों से बचना बहुत मुश्किल है.

नोट : ये मेरे अपने विचार हैं, जो दूसरों के विचारों से भिन्न हो सकते हैं. ऐसा होने पर कृपया इन विचारों को फ़ालतू की बात मानकर नजरअंदाज़ कर दें.
 
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नोट : ये मेरे अपने विचार हैं, जो दूसरों के विचारों से भिन्न हो सकते हैं. ऐसा होने पर कृपया इन विचारों को फ़ालतू की बात मानकर नजरअंदाज़ कर दें

Hahahaha What an honest disclaimer. .... Nazarandaaz kar dein ... LOL !!
 
एक हज़ार से ज्यादा स्त्रियों के साथ अनैतिक संबंध बना लेते हैं?

Ek hazaar te jyaada te ek crore bhi ho sei .... tu bhi kimme ho chaap de sei Upender .... kasuta gappodi se tu. hahahaha !!
 
भाई, ऐसा भी लिखना पड़ेगा. कोई बेचारा अपनी मेहनत से अपना व्यापार शुरू करने की सोच रहा हो और मेरी ये बातें पढ़कर सोच में पड़ जाए (हालांकि सब अपने दिमाग से चलते हैं) और मेरे को भला-बुरा कहने की सोचे तो ऐसा Disclaimer देने से कम से कम कोई अमीर या भविष्य का अमीर मुझे कोसेगा तो नहीं. अर भाई सिद्दार्थ, इस दुनिया में ऐसे-ऐसे भी बहुत हैं. अपनी जिंदगी का मकसद बना लेते हैं 1000 .
http://www.theinsider.com/news/7829...With_About_1000_Women_But_11_Were_At_One_Time
 
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Bhai upender,

Yeh sab baatein kehne or sun-ne mei achi lagati hai. Kisi gareeb se pucho ki kya usko gareebi mei rehna pasand hai? us se pucho ki kya woh apne bachon ko apni tarah gareebi mei rehte dekhna chahega? Aapko achi tarah se pata hai ki gareeb ke saath is desh mei kaisa salook hota hai. Police wala kabhi bhi danda maar deta hai, sarkari hospital mei jaate hai to koi ilaaz nahi karta, bina ilaaz ke aadmi mar jaata hai. Jab kadake ki sardi mei thand lagati hai or mar tak jaate hai, yeh sab hota hai garibi mei. Koi insaan garibi mei nahi jeena chahta. Yeh jo survey mei count hai, yeh un logon ka hai jo ek din mei 75 Rs se kam kamate hai. aapko bhi pata hai ki bazaar mei kya rate cheezon ka. Daal 100 paar kar gayee hai, chini 47, doodh 28, wheat 20, aise mei gareeb apna pet kaise bharta hai, usko pucho?

पता नहीं वर्ल्ड बैंक जैसी संस्थाएं और इस दुनिया के तथाकथित विकसित देश भारत के गरीबों के प्रति इतने चिंतित क्यों रहते हैं. जो इस दुनिया के सबसे अमीर देश हैं, वहाँ के लोग अपनी अमीरी भरी जिंदगी में क्या तीर मार लेते हैं? ज्यादा महँगी शराब पी लेते हैं? कसिनो में जुआ खेल लेते हैं? एक हज़ार से ज्यादा स्त्रियों के साथ अनैतिक संबंध बना लेते हैं? 4 रोटियों की बजाय 50 -50 रोटी खाने लगते हैं? अगर ऐसा करना ही अमीरी है तो गरीब होना इससे कहीं अच्छा है.
किसी ने अपने प्रयासों से अपना व्यापार शुरू किया और गरीबों की मेहनत से एक सफल व्यावसायी बन गया, अच्छी बात है, लेकिन ऐसा करके कोई ये समझेगा कि वो कोई बहुत बड़ा सूरमा बन गया और गरीब आदमी कीड़े-मकौड़े हैं तो बेवक़ूफ़ ही कहा जाएगा. हालांकि इस दुनिया में गरीबों की कोई इज्जत नहीं करता, लेकिन अमीरों की इज्जत भी तो उनसे फायदा उठाने वाले उनके आस-पास के लोग ही करते हैं. और भला उन्हें कौन पूछता है?
इस दुनिया की सबसे बड़ी हकीकत तो ये है कि कोई अपने में भले ही खुश होता रहे कि उसने अरबों की दौलत इकट्ठा कर ली, लेकिन उसने कुछ नहीं किया होता. जिस तरह से कोई गरीब मरता है, उसी तरह से अमीर मरता है (बूढा होकर और तरह-तरह के दुःख झेलकर). अगर अमीर को ये गुमान होता है कि वो खूब ऐश लेकर मरा है तो गरीब को ये संतोष होता है कि पैसा न होने के कारण ही सही, चलो उसने बुरे काम कम किए.
इस दुनिया में अमीरी का मज़ा है तो गरीबी का भी अपना अलग ही मजा है. अमीर आदमी खुले में घूमता हुआ भी डरेगा, कहीं कोई अपहरण ना कर ले, कहीं कोई कीमती सामान न छीन ले. वहीं गरीब को किसी बात की कोई चिंता ही नहीं होती. उसके पास कुछ खोने को होता ही नहीं है. यही कारण है कि इस दुनिया में सब जी लेते हैं. अगर ऐसा होता कि अमीर लोगों को न कोई बीमारी होती और वे 500 साल तक की जिंदगी जीते तो फिर तो गरीबों को बहुत दुःख होता कि हमारा तो इस दुनिया में आना ही बेकार गया. इस दुनिया में अगर किसी का स्वास्थ्य अच्छा है तो वो अमीर है और अगर स्वास्थ्य अच्छा नहीं है तो वो गरीब है. इस दुनिया में स्वास्थ्य उनका अच्छा होता है जो कड़ा शारीरिक श्रम करते हैं, जैसे किसान और मजदूर या फिर वो लोग जो अपने स्वास्थ्य के प्रति जागरूक होते हैं और व्यायाम तो करते ही हैं, साथ ही ज्यादा बुरे काम भी नहीं करते. देखा जाए तो इस दुनिया में किसान और मजदूर भी कम अमीर नहीं होते, जो काफी हद तक अपने शरीर को स्वस्थ बनाए रखते हैं. बदनसीब हैं वे लोग जिन पर बेशुमार दौलत है. दौलत होने पर इंसान का बुरे शौकों से बचना बहुत मुश्किल है.

नोट : ये मेरे अपने विचार हैं, जो दूसरों के विचारों से भिन्न हो सकते हैं. ऐसा होने पर कृपया इन विचारों को फ़ालतू की बात मानकर नजरअंदाज़ कर दें.
 
Bhai, yeh apna apna dekhne ke nazariya hai. Mei yeh nahi keh raha ki aisa karna sahi hai ye phir galat hai. But we should not get into these one off kind of issues. We should rather discuss larger issues like poverty or corruption. If you ask me what happened wth phoolan devi (she was gangraped) was more henious than this guy sleeping with 1600 gals with their consent.

भाई, ऐसा भी लिखना पड़ेगा. कोई बेचारा अपनी मेहनत से अपना व्यापार शुरू करने की सोच रहा हो और मेरी ये बातें पढ़कर सोच में पड़ जाए (हालांकि सब अपने दिमाग से चलते हैं) और मेरे को भला-बुरा कहने की सोचे तो ऐसा Disclaimer देने से कम से कम कोई अमीर या भविष्य का अमीर मुझे कोसेगा तो नहीं. अर भाई सिद्दार्थ, इस दुनिया में ऐसे-ऐसे भी बहुत हैं. अपनी जिंदगी का मकसद बना लेते हैं 1000 .
http://www.theinsider.com/news/7829...With_About_1000_Women_But_11_Were_At_One_Time
 
Bhai Phogat,

It seems you have not read my post well. I was just saying that a non contributing NRI is much better than a corrupt RI who is abusing his job. The point was that NRIs are not harming India's interests in any way. What affects Indians more is bad Indians (corrupt, dishonest.... types) rather than RI or NRI.

Bhai vijay

Main is baat me kabhi nahi gaya ki kun achha se kun bura (meri aukaat nahi se ye decide karney ki) mai te teri post padh ki jo vichar aaye chep diye.

Fauj me ek kahya karein ek doodh na miley to ek kop chay peelo ek kopi doodh to howe e se.
If an person is corrupt then also he do something for the country during his/her lifetime, hope u get my point.
 
Bhai doodh ar chai wali baat to theek hai, par eb jo tum nu kaho ki sharaab mei bhi to paani hove hai, to wah baat bhi to sahi nahi hai. isi tarah yeh kehna ki ek corrupt aadmi desh ke liye bhi kuch kar raha hai, yeh sahi nahi hai. Bhai agar dekha jaye to hamare desh mei koi kami nahi hai, kami hai to sirf imaandari se apna kaam karne walon ki, agar 75% bhi log imaandari or lagan se apna kaam kar de to shayad fir kisi ko NRI ban ne ki jaroorat hi na pade.

Bhai vijay

Main is baat me kabhi nahi gaya ki kun achha se kun bura (meri aukaat nahi se ye decide karney ki) mai te teri post padh ki jo vichar aaye chep diye.

Fauj me ek kahya karein ek doodh na miley to ek kop chay peelo ek kopi doodh to howe e se.
If an person is corrupt then also he do something for the country during his/her lifetime, hope u get my point.
 
indian govt can give padmashree awrds to royal family and star parents kids but can not provide funds for the unprivileged but skilled playes.

Ritu ji indian govt ki parwah kaun karta hai, padam shree padambhushan sirf naukri k paper paas karney k liye ratey jate hain fir kaun yaad rakhta hai.

if these businesses had paid their taxes and politicians were fair then these less famed sports mans would have gotten their share of the countries growth.

If and But kisi kaam k nahi hotey, Corruption ab logon ki naso me hai khoon k saath. But r u sure that there no corruption in western countries.

my son goes to a public school which is equivalent to sarkari school of india.he was identified as bright and referred for further IQ testing when he was in second grade only.do kids back home get that kind of privilege.

yes of course 5v tak sarkari schools me kitaab kaapi govt deti hai free me, sarkari school ki fees free barabr e hai, ladkiyon k liye graduation tak free edu, eb Amrica to bane kukar India.
 
Ritu, as Sid has said they just dont want to accept things. For them 7.5% growth rate is more important. What is the use of such growth rate if we still have one third of worlds's poor people in India itself. This growth rate has increased the divide between poor and rich further. But if an NRI say this, then he is labeled as anti India. Truth is always bitter.

One-third of world's poor in India: Survey
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/One-third_of_worlds_poor_in_India/articleshow/3409374.cms

Bhai list itni hi nahi hai

other then 7.5% some points are

We are the first in milk production.

We are number one in Remote sensing satellites.

We are the second largest producer of wheat.

We are the second largest producer of rice.


Now its upto u what do you want to see Mumbai ki jhaopad patti ya Agra ka TAAJ.
 
You are correct. India is almost self reliant in agriculture.

Bhai list itni hi nahi hai

other then 7.5% some points are

We are the first in milk production.

We are number one in Remote sensing satellites.

We are the second largest producer of wheat.

We are the second largest producer of rice.


Now its upto u what do you want to see Mumbai ki jhaopad patti ya Agra ka TAAJ.
 
Bhai list itni hi nahi hai

other then 7.5% some points are

We are the first in milk production.

We are number one in Remote sensing satellites.

We are the second largest producer of wheat.

We are the second largest producer of rice.


Now its upto u what do you want to see Mumbai ki jhaopad patti ya Agra ka TAAJ.

Dear Mr. Phogat,
These are wonderful numbers. My question is what is our number in world in the consumer list of these products.
While 7.5% growth rate is attractive number; how much does it trickle down to improve the infrastructure and provide the drinking water, housing; education and so on; the basic necessaties of human being. I think we must analyze those issues as well to paint a better picture.
 
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