Would you vote for Team Anna's political party ?

[vicky84]

Good Points !!!

ek nahi kai reason hain....

2). unka badlav lane ka tarika hi mugjhe sahi nahi laga... vo ye umeed kar ke baithe hain... ki ek aisi govt lokpal bill pass karegi jisne corruption ke sare records tood diye hain... it is completely hypothitical expectation according to me...

3). or chlo ek bar ye bhi maan lo ki ye sarkar bill pass bhi kar deti hai, tab bhi ye mugjhe imaginative lagta hai ki 10 saal tak to india mai logo ne khoob paisa loota or fir lokpal aate hi ek dam se bahot sare chor jail mai dal diye jayangae... or india mai corruption ek dum 70% (as once Mr Arvind Kejriwal said in his interview, ki lokpal se curroption khatam hone ki surity to nahi hai but 70% tak khatam kiya ja sakta hai)... kisi bhi society mai itne sudden changes expect karna... mugjhe to possible nahi lagta... 60 saal ho gaye or 3 generation nikal gai, azadi milne ke baad... magar aaj bhi hum indians se na to gulami ki aadat gai hai or na hi goro ko apne se superior samajhne ki... to mai ye kaise ummed laga lu ki lokpal bill pass hote hi, hum log ek dum change ho jayangae... badlav waqt maangta hai... or lokpal agar ek dum se impliment kar diya to kuch hi din mai aadhe se jayada desh jail mai hoga...

or bhi bahot sare reason hain but vote na karne ke liye to bas 2-3 hi kafi hain...

 

[jsrana]

भाई समर आज के हालात ने देखते हुए तो ना स क्योंकि राजनीती का दलदल ईतना गंदा और गहरा हो लीया के कुदनिया ईस में डुब्बे बिना रह ए ना सकदा | बाक्की बखत बतावेगा |

 

[samarkadian]

No, Never. Social movements have their importance in democracy. They are like pressure groups and watch-dogs for political class. I don't know about the election outcome. But they have betrayed the basics of a social movement. Arvind Kejriwal said at-least 50 times that he would leave the movement the day it become political. Now, he formed the party.

You ve made an important point. Social activism and their move in to politics. One school of thought says that as soon as social activists decides to go in electoral arena, they seem to loose that attraction in the eyes of one sect of masses. Where as ironically, in a way, this move is mere progression for a concrete result.

What all think about it?

 

[samarkadian]

The abrupt decision of taking a plunge into active politics by the much talked about anti-corruption crusaders of India known as ‘Team Anna’ has provided a fresh impetus to the debate which was losing gravitas in media circles and social forums probably because of the oscillatory nuances of some of the chevaliers of Anna Brigade, especially in the aftermath of Hissar by-election which made first revelations of team’s political bias. Grapevine has it that a section of the team commandeered by Arvind Kejriwal as well as some infiltrators from Ramdev camp having proclivity towards one particular political group have been trying to hijack the movement on behest of some political pundits having allegiance to a particular sect of politics for long. But they had to hold their emotions back just to garner support from across political spectrum to solidify their mass base. Once the movement gathered momentum they could not conceal their inherent bias towards one particular shade and started hobnobbing with a particular sect of Indian polity behind screen. This dichotomy has been causing ruptures in the camp and some meaningful people had to drift away from the group. People like Justice Hegde had to give veiled disclaimers too. The team’s disguised political ambitions have now come to the fore. However, it would be unfair to question the proprietary of their disguised political gameplan in view of the fact that every mass movement has to have a strategy and tactical road-map hatched in the basement of war-rooms, which cannot be shared with public in the larger interest of the movement. But, it is bound to raise eye-brows if someone who had repeatedly and publicly proclaimed to be apolitical, above party politics, as transparent as Gandhi and Socrates; and exclusively dedicated to a single cause of effective ‘Lokpal ‘ makes such an abrupt announcement which runs counter to the fundamentals of their professed agenda. It would have been wise on their part to make their intentions to form a political group clear from day one. There was nothing wrong in that.


Having a tie-up or alliance with any political party is, however, not a sin but having any truck with a party which is not free from corruption charges defeats the whole purpose of fighting against corruption which has been the trade mark of Team Anna. At the present juncture there is hardly any political party which is not facing the charges of corruption, communalism or inefficiency. In this scenario it would be a wise decision if Anna refrains from having any truck with the existing parties and raises a brand new party, if he wants to take his movement to the logical conclusion. There can be no question that Anna himself is an honest and dedicated person and has been doing a splendid work for annihilating corruption but he has his own limitations. Only being honest is not enough in the rough and tumble world of politics. It requires Machiavellian skills too which he has not shown so far. Nevertheless, whatever he is doing against corruption is the best and praiseworthy. Let us hope people with tinted reputation and political careerists do not find any place in Anna’s upcoming party. As far as voting is concerned, it is something secret.

Singh Saheb,

Welcome back. What a juicy post ! Its great to see you writing again. Thank you.

 

[rohittewatia]

Iska jee 4 din mai ji likad gaya FAST karke.. Issa yogi tha to iskai mahine mei bhi kuch na hona tha..

Bhai roke hansi naheen ruk rahee, kati andee thaa! Sorry, for diverting from the main Topic.

Team Anna maybe were aware about political alternative from the very beginning, but they might not had any suitable means before. Had they started as a political party, they would not have achieved the required momentum. Power can only be defeated by Power. They may not have machiavellian skills, but it can be developed under the process as new people will join their movement for cleansing the system. They might not achieve the success in a big way, so what? They talk about making the one who achieve power accountable. They might even force other parties to fight elections in their way. Which would mean more transparency. This would be challenging for the big parties, where a single MLA ticket only costs 5-10 crore. And, if you conside the money you pump in for winning the figure get multiplied.

Kejriwal recently gave a statement about having transparency in the elections, make power structures transparent & more accountable to people.. This could make it tougher for the prevailing parties to achieve the victory while maintaining the fact their hands are clean simulataneously. Whichever party achieves power forgets the very fact that it is a democracy. It is supposed to be "for the people, by the people". I once met a European Minister during my stay in europe. I asked him where his security was. He said, i am a man of the people. It is my duty to be accessible to anybody who wants to come, meet me and have a discussion. Due to the fact that we never had the true democracy during the past sixty years, so even elected representatives don't realise it what it means. Invite either of the majority of these elected representatives and discuss with them. They will have a zero idea about the burning issues.

And yet, i am hopeful of the fact that change would come in my country no matter how slow it comes

 

[skarmveer]

मेने हाँ मे वोट दिया है और वोट दूंगा भी अगर मुझे लगा की ये पोलिटिकल फ्रोंट पर इस लायक हो जायेंगे के भ्रस्ताचार को मिटा सके ! कहना कुछ भी बहुत आसान है पर करना उतना ही मुश्किल मे अन्ना और उनकी टीम की सराहना करूँगा की उन्होने कोशिश तो की और लोगो को जागरूक भी किया पर जब शासन मे बैठे लोगों की संवेदना मर जाये ओं उन्हे कोई फर्क न पडे किस्से के भूखे रहने से तो रास्ता यही बचता है की अनसन ख़तम किया जाये ! लोगों को बहुत उम्मीद थी की शायद सरकार मान जाये पर जब सरकार ही चोरों की है तो मान कैसे जाये !


मुझे कभी नहीं लगता था की ये सर्कार कोई कठोर कानून भ्रस्ताचार को मिटाने के लिए बनाएगी पर फिर भी एक झूंठी उम्मीद जरुर थी के शायद अन्ना और टीम का दबाव और लोगों का सहयोग काम आ जाये पर वो नहीं हुआ !


पर इससे एक बात साबित हो गई की हमे आज़ादी तब भी गाँधी की वजह से नहीं मिली और अब भी भार्स्ताचार से आज़ादी लड़कर ही मिलेगी न मांगने से कभी कुछ मिला है न मिलेगा

 

[ravinderjeet]

मेने हाँ मे वोट दिया है और वोट दूंगा भी अगर मुझे लगा की ये पोलिटिकल फ्रोंट पर इस लायक हो जायेंगे के भ्रस्ताचार को मिटा सके ! कहना कुछ भी बहुत आसान है पर करना उतना ही मुश्किल मे अन्ना और उनकी टीम की सराहना करूँगा की उन्होने कोशिश तो की और लोगो को जागरूक भी किया पर जब शासन मे बैठे लोगों की संवेदना मर जाये ओं उन्हे कोई फर्क न पडे किस्से के भूखे रहने से तो रास्ता यही बचता है की अनसन ख़तम किया जाये ! लोगों को बहुत उम्मीद थी की शायद सरकार मान जाये पर जब सरकार ही चोरों की है तो मान कैसे जाये !


मुझे कभी नहीं लगता था की ये सर्कार कोई कठोर कानून भ्रस्ताचार को मिटाने के लिए बनाएगी पर फिर भी एक झूंठी उम्मीद जरुर थी के शायद अन्ना और टीम का दबाव और लोगों का सहयोग काम आ जाये पर वो नहीं हुआ !


पर इससे एक बात साबित हो गई की हमे आज़ादी तब भी गाँधी की वजह से नहीं मिली और अब भी भार्स्ताचार से आज़ादी लड़कर ही मिलेगी न मांगने से कभी कुछ मिला है न मिलेगा

हक़ मांगने से नहीं मिलता , छिना जाता हे |
अहिंसा कमजोरों का हथियार हे |

 

[skarmveer]

भाई जी मे तो हमेशा से ही ये मानता आया हूँ की मांगने से कुछ नहीं मिलता और आज़ादी तो बिलकुल नहीं पर जो लोग प्रयास करते है वो सब अपने ही ढंग से करते है ! जिसको जो भाषा समझ आये उस्सी भाषा का प्रयोग किया जाये तो नतीजा जल्दी मिलता है यंहा भाषा ठीक नहीं थी सरकार से बात करने की पर टीम अन्ना की मंशा ठीक थी इसलिए उनकी बुराई नहीं करनी चाहए ! उन्होने कुछ तो किया है !

हक़ मांगने से नहीं मिलता , छिना जाता हे |
अहिंसा कमजोरों का हथियार हे |

 

[swaich]

You ve made an important point. Social activism and their move in to politics. One school of thought says that as soon as social activists decides to go in electoral arena, they seem to loose that attraction in the eyes of one sect of masses. Where as ironically, in a way, this move is mere progression for a concrete result.

What all think about it?

I agree. There's nothing wrong in entering the political fray. India's lopsided power structure leaves too much power into the hands of the political class, so staying outside the political circle only has a very limited effect. So to maximize their impact entering politics is the best decision.

 

[rsdalal]

Theek se Bhai, aankh khol dee teri iss video ne, it proves Ramdev sabse bada thug.
Dusra uska chela fake passport se India Aya, India aa ke, aur ke crime kar diya usne?
Rahi baat cancer and heart disease treatment, I would not wait for yoga and traditional medicine to cure it.
Anyway lets not divert from the thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxNqFI37bo0

Ramdev ki asliyat dekh lo is video mei..

Ye Jo apni dawai batata hai,, usme to wo baat ho ri hai ke "Neem Hakim khatrajaan"!

Aur jahan takk ye yog batata hai,, aadhe to isnai khud koni aate dhung tai karne..auran nai ke sikhawega,

Iska jee 4 din mai ji likad gaya FAST karke.. Issa yogi tha to iskai mahine mei bhi kuch na hona tha..

Rajiv Dixit ki death ki conspiracy. arr iska chela doosra thug..Nepali... Fake passport and fake means to get into India.

 

[rsdalal]

पर इससे एक बात साबित हो गई की हमे आज़ादी तब भी गाँधी की वजह से नहीं मिली और अब भी भार्स्ताचार से आज़ादी लड़कर ही मिलेगी न मांगने से कभी कुछ मिला है न मिलेगा

very true sir

 

[bazardparveen]

You ve made an important point. Social activism and their move in to politics. One school of thought says that as soon as social activists decides to go in electoral arena, they seem to loose that attraction in the eyes of one sect of masses. Where as ironically, in a way, this move is mere progression for a concrete result.

What all think about it?

I agree. Elections are the way to get fast concrete results. But many including me looked Team Anna as voice of middle class outside political circles. In an era of biased media, it would have been better if Team Anna would have continued to flag the misdeeds of government irrespective of who comes into power.

Now, I can support present move of Team Anna provided they do it in a logical way. They must do some ground work for few years. Should fight some local and state elections before coming to national stage. But I don't see that to happen. Acc. to me present move is either the face saver exit or some members, knowingly or unknowingly; are playing in the hands of government. If Arvind wanted to start a political party, then, why he distanced himself from Baba Ramdev who earlier wanted to do the same? There is a huge overlap among Modi followers and IAC followers. I was not able to understand how come suddenly so called "secularism" become Arvind's agenda? Sazia Illmi told at newshour that they took anti-Modi stand to prove secularism. How disgusting!!! Sonia & her puppets in media and politics, give new definition to secularism i.e. secularism means Anti-Modi. These morons fall into trap. If Arvind launches the party in 2014, he will simply divide middle class votes in few cities. That can bring UPA back into power which will be a disaster. UPA is a complete failure. Maximum we can get is a new bunch of "Sickular" MPs. Congress and its copycat regional parties are real communal forces with secular masks. They like plight of Muslims not Muslims. They like poverty not poor. For the sake of its vote bank, congress created another Kashmir in Assam. Acc. to me, present move by Arvind Kejriwal is just an addition to the so called "secular" forces. Anna and Kiran Bedi seem to honest in their approach. Sooner or later, she is going to leave this team if Arvind continues to dominate in this way.

Anyway, this is just my perception as I tried to follow the movement closely. Lets see how things will move in future.

 

[jaisingh318]

picture in 2014
Team anna +upa(bjp,chotala,badal,etc.)........new ministers as : kiran bedi,kajeriwl,gopal rai,sanjay singh.

why we exercise & waste our time.
nothing only ambitions.

 

[pawanthakan]

so duffer you are......................................................

 

[pawanthakan]

its not ambition , but only DESHBHAKTI............understand....

 

[pawanthakan]

aarakshan te aage bhi kuchh soch lo.yo desh bachega to hi to aarakshan kam aavega.JAAT VEERO THINK ..................ANNA is a patriotic persona.

 

[rekhasmriti]

Akele Anna se desh nahi chalega sir g .

28 states-----kitni sari MLA n Mp seats

Sab par to Anna election ladne se raha

itne desk bhakt kahan se layega---who want to contend elections

aarakshan te aage bhi kuchh soch lo.yo desh bachega to hi to aarakshan kam aavega.JAAT VEERO THINK ..................ANNA is a patriotic persona.

 

[swaich]

so duffer you are......................................................

Aaram se bhai..aaram se..bat kaho par dhang se kaho..!

 

[jaisingh318]

aarakshan te aage bhi kuchh soch lo.yo desh bachega to hi to aarakshan kam aavega.JAAT VEERO THINK ..................ANNA is a patriotic persona.

as per report in newspaper ....suresh pathare ps of annaji in shivsena. surpanch,ex surpanch and prominant persons of annaji village in ncp of sarad pawar.
in this equation ........annaji ka sarpanch elect hona hi badi baat h. ..........rajniti ke khell niraly hote h bhaiya

 

[raka]

मैंने कोणी लगता की ये कोई पार्टी बनाएँगे , मेरे ख्याल त तो या सिर्फ बंदर घुड़की स क्योंकि इन्ने अनशन जिसे हथकंडे अपना के देख लिए | अन्ना श्याना तजुर्बेकार इंसान स तभी तो उन्होने चुनाव लड़ने से माना कर दिया , अन्ना ने अपने खुद के गाँव से ही अंदाजा लगा लिया की जब वो अपने एक छोटे से गाँव के लोगो की सोच नहीं बदल सके तो फिर यह देश तो बहुत बड़ा हैं इसकी क्या खाक बदलेगी |
इस देश मे अगर किसी नेता को नकली साबित करना हो तो उसका नाम महात्मा गांधी से जोड़ दो | जैसे अन्ना को गांधी बना के बैठा दिया जबकि बेचारा अन्ना शुरू मे कहता था की मैं गांधी नहीं शिवाजी हु |
आर यो बनिया केजरीवाल तो स ही जाट विरोधी , या इसने हिसार उप चुनाव मे कुलदीप बिशनोई की मदद करके दिखा दिया |इसने दोनों जाट चोर लागे आर कुलदीप साहूकार |