prashantacmet
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Not sure what those lines are supposed to convey but I found this from Bhargava: "the Aryans originally lived in the valleys of the river Ghorband and Panjshir to the south of the Hindu Kush range... from this region one branch seems to have ultimately settled in the various countries of Europe, while another branch migrated to Saptasindhu" pg. 49, PL Bhargava, India in the Vedic Age: A History of Aryan Expansion in India, Upper India Publishing House Pvt Ltd, 2nd edition, 1971 (first published 1956).
Do you think this is the original place of the Aryans that you keep referring to as abode, as per Bhargava, who is a known invasion-theorist (although an internal invasion-theorist as opposed to external-invasion theorist).
I have another example from Bhargava regarding a conclusion using a RigVedic shlok and word, pg 236:
I think he is using the word svitniyebhih when referring to a shlok from RigVed I.100.18:
I found that particular shlok from online RigVed produced in Latin (link): http://www.utexas.edu/cola/centers/l...RV01.html#H100
From Latin - RigVed I.100.18 - sánat kṣétraṃ sákhibhiḥ śvitniyébhiḥ
When I looked it up in देवनागरी - RigVed I.100.18 above word in bold is actually: shvilyebhih (श्विल्येभि:)
Would they mean different things?
While we are on this topic, this link should not be missed. It prepares UPSC students for IAS and this page is for History for IAS Mains: Aryans and Vedic Period - Expansions of Aryans in India. I think they forgot to thank Dr Bhargava, when throwing light:
http://upscportal.com/civilservices...y/aryans-vedic-period/expansions-aryans-india
I went through entire thread quickly. This is what I got till now
- Rig veda time was around 3000 BC. No literature , inscriptions in the world apart from Rig veda corresponds before 2000 BC, iranian avesta describing arayans was around 1700 BC
- Rig veda hymns say that saraswati river was flowing while mahabharata says it started drying. Saraswati may be ghaggar or helmand (afghanistan) river and scientific evidences say that sarswati dried up/breaking around 2000 BC
- Original home of aryans was afghanistan and some of them migrated to east (puru/panchala etc) and few of them west wards.
- these people who migrtaed westwards again came in the waves of scythians and huna between 500 BC and 400 AD to eastwards (present india) and assimilated with the people, though they reamine densed in north west (punjab/kashmir) that's why they have brighter skin
there are still few questions unanswered
- As said by Narender kharab ji, migartion occured from west to east so does it imply that befoer rigveda around 8000 BC-10000BC aryans came from west and settled in Afghanistan, again migarted to west and then again came back later? so are we concluding teh original home of aryans at the abse of Rigveda which is the oldest evidence available?
- In the battle of ten kings, few tribes are mentioned, it talks about persian, scythian etc so looks like aryans were scattered in iran, afghanistan, india at that time and were finely connected with each other. what is the approximate time epriod of this war??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ten_Kings
"The Trtsu are the tribe led by king Sudas. Sudas himself is included in the "ten kings", as the Trtsus are said to be surrounded by ten kings in 7.33.5. But it is not made explicit how this number is supposed to be broken down: if of the tribes mentioned in 7.18, the Turvasas, Yaksuss (pun for Yadu),[SUP][1][/SUP] Matsyas, Bhrgus, Druhyus, Pakthas, Bhalanas, Alinas, Shivas and Visanins are counted, the full number is reached, leaving the Anavas (7.18.14), the Ajas and Sigrus (7.18.19) and the "21 men of both Vaikarna tribes" (7.18.11) without a king, and implying that Bheda (7.18.19, also mentioned 7.33.3 and 7.83.4, the main leader slain by Sudas), Shimyu (7.18.5), and Kavasa (7.18.12) are the names of individual kings. The Bharatas are named among the enemies in 7.33 but not in 7.18.
- Alinas: One of the tribes defeated by Sudas at the Dasarajna,[SUP][2][/SUP] and it was suggested that they lived to the north-east of Nuristan, because the land was mentioned by the Chinese pilgrim Hiouen Thsang.[SUP][3][/SUP]
- Anu: Some place them in the Paruṣṇī (Ravi) area.[SUP][4][/SUP]
- Bhrigus: Probably the priestly family descended from the ancient Kavi Bhrigu. Later, they are related to the composition of parts of the Atharva Veda (Bhṛgv-Āṅgirasa) .
- Bhalanas: Fought against Sudas in the Dasarajna battle. Some scholars have argued that the Bhalanas lived in the Bolan Pass area. [SUP][5][/SUP]
- Druhyus: Some align them with the Gandhari (RV I 1.126.7).
- Matsya are only mentioned in the RV (7.18.6), but later in connection with the Śālva.[SUP][6][/SUP]
- Parsu: The Parśu have been connected by some with the ancient Persians.[SUP][7][/SUP]
- Purus: one of the major tribal confederations in the Rigveda.
- Panis: also the name of a class of demons; later associated with the Scythians.
- Mahabharata was fought in present day india kurushetra or some where else?
- Uttarakuru are mentioned only in puranas and later texts not in Rigveda? what was the territory of uttarakuru?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttarakuru
To everyone involved in this discussion:
These are the few things that I have understood from this discussion. May be few points are wronga nd I could not catch up correctly so please help me in understanding those