narenderkharb
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I requested Ravi ji to join this discussion .If he is confident about his post he should join this discussion.
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Chronology of Indian History --Newer discussions
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I requested Ravi ji to join this discussion .If he is confident about his post he should join this discussion.
Ji. Kuch Sanshay hai?So ....Yehi Vedic Sarswati thi Kaya...?
Yamuna Saraswati mein milti thhi lekin kisi haalan ki vajah se yamuna purva ki aur mud gayi aisa vaigyanikon ka maan na hai.Now pls tell us about its seven tributaries ...their course as you might have found convincing.
And How Yamuna and Ganga fell in this Sarswati river?
Let us start with this..
Kya kuch confidence mein kami najar aa rahi hai?I requested Ravi ji to join this discussion .If he is confident about his post he should join this discussion.
Apni baat Ravi ne achi prakar se vyakt ki hai. Yane Avesta mein Saraswati nadi ka koi ullekh nahi hai.
Aap koi shlok Avesta se kyon nahi dhundhte ?
Yeh betuki baatein aap jaise buddhivjivi kyon kar rahe hain?
narenderkharb
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Ji. Kuch Sanshay hai?
Yamuna Saraswati mein milti thhi lekin kisi haalan ki vajah se yamuna purva ki aur mud gayi aisa vaigyanikon ka maan na hai.
let me repeat my question.....
Seven tributaries. of Sarswati and their course..???
Where Ganga joined this Sarswati ...?
Since you mentioned some scientific data ..can you post the same here so that we can relate the two to ascertain your hypothesis.
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narenderkharb
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Kya kuch confidence mein kami najar aa rahi hai?
Apni baat Ravi ne achi prakar se vyakt ki hai. Yane Avesta mein Saraswati nadi ka koi ullekh nahi hai.
Aap koi shlok Avesta se kyon nahi dhundhte ?
Yeh betuki baatein aap jaise buddhivjivi kyon kar rahe hain?
Ranbir brother .....
I asked you to read a research paper by Kocchar ...Did you read that ???.
I don't think so....Had you read that ...You won't have asked this question .
Any way ...I will give the information sought by you from his paper.
" There is an uncanny similarity between the Rigvedic description of Sarasvati and Avestan description of Helmand. Rigveda (Rv 6.61.8) talks of Sarasvati 'whose limitless unbroken flood, swift moving with a rapid rush, comes onward with tempestuous roar', while Yasht (10.67) refers to 'the bountiful, glorious Hetumant swelling its white waves rolling down its copious floods''
Go to Yasht (10.67)and find out what is written there.
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prashantacmet
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Here is a very sensible read..and this is called thirst for research..considering all the resources available..totally unbiased and open- thoughts.. a great effort..things should go like this..request to go through with patience (specially for rajpal ji, romar ji and rao ji), it will be a good learning and people can draw their own conclusions after this.
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33011
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33011
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let me repeat my question.....
Seven tributaries. of Sarswati and their course..???
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QzuDVa8LK28/TEwznOjL6iI/AAAAAAAAAH0/IsCSFxtD32w/s1600/sarasvati.jpg
Yeh Naksha Professor Yashpal dwara banaya gaya tha. Yeh UGC ke chairman thhe aur LANDSAT imaging satellite dwara is nakshe ke liye shodh kiya gaya thha. Isme aap swayam gin lijiye kitni tributaries saraswati nadi mein milti hain.
Kaunse granth se aap yeh tathya prastut kar rahe hain ki Ganga Saraswati mein milti thhi? Maine to aaj tak aisi baat kahin nahi padhi.Where Ganga joined this Sarswati ...?
Ji haan padh chuka Kocchar ka paper. Kochar ko dher bawal uth ri.Ranbir brother .....
I asked you to read a research paper by Kocchar ...Did you read that ???.
I don't think so....Had you read that ...You won't have asked this question .
" There is an uncanny similarity between the Rigvedic description of Sarasvati and Avestan description of Helmand. Rigveda (Rv 6.61.8) talks of Sarasvati 'whose limitless unbroken flood, swift moving with a rapid rush, comes onward with tempestuous roar', while Yasht (10.67) refers to 'the bountiful, glorious Hetumant swelling its white waves rolling down its copious floods''
Go to Yasht (10.67)and find out what is written there.
Ab jara yeh bhi bata do ki Hetumant se Saraswati kikkar ban gaya? Aap aur Rajpalji kuch salah karo yeh nahi karte? Thode samay pehle guruji khe rahe thhe ki Haraxaviti Saraswati ka naam Iraniyon ne diya aur ab aap use Hetumant mein badal rahe ho.
Ek baat rakho.
Doosri baat aapko hetumant shabd ka matlab pata hai? Kya is shabd ka saraswati ke matlab se kuch lena dena hai ya dhool mein lath chal raha hai?
Here is a very sensible read..and this is called thirst for research..considering all the resources available..totally unbiased and open- thoughts.. a great effort..things should go like this..request to go through with patience (specially for rajpal ji, romar ji and rao ji), it will be a good learning and people can draw their own conclusions after this.
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33011
Kuch nichod to prastut karo. Angreji mein likhya hai saara.
narenderkharb
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Ji haan padh chuka Kocchar ka paper. Kochar ko dher bawal uth ri.
Ab jara yeh bhi bata do ki Hetumant se Saraswati kikkar ban gaya? Aap aur Rajpalji kuch salah karo yeh nahi karte? Thode samay pehle guruji khe rahe thhe ki Haraxaviti Saraswati ka naam Iraniyon ne diya aur ab aap use Hetumant mein badal rahe ho.
Ek baat rakho.
Doosri baat aapko hetumant shabd ka matlab pata hai? Kya is shabd ka saraswati ke matlab se kuch lena dena hai ya dhool mein lath chal raha hai?
Bhai mere thoda sa time nikal ke is article ne padh .
Teri Doosari baat ka jawab usne sabse phale diya hai..ki kyon harahvati ki jagah helmand river consider ki gayi.
narenderkharb
Active member
Here is a very sensible read..and this is called thirst for research..considering all the resources available..totally unbiased and open- thoughts.. a great effort..things should go like this..request to go through with patience (specially for rajpal ji, romar ji and rao ji), it will be a good learning and people can draw their own conclusions after this.
http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33011
Nice write up, and a very nice approach(No biasat all) to develop a hypothesis about a historical event
Long ago I posted many posts on this forum on Indus Valley ,Aryan migration and debates on Jat history.
I suggested long ago on Yahoo Group that we must develop a model of our history and then crosscheck that with other evidences to find a true picture of our past ( same way as Vanky attempting here)...but somehow people are just busy with their OIT there .
Aapne aur kochhar ne to Avesta aur uske likhne aale bhi fail kar diye.Bhai mere thoda sa time nikal ke is article ne padh .
Teri Doosari baat ka jawab usne sabse phale diya hai..ki kyon harahvati ki jagah helmand river consider ki gayi.
Kocchar aur uske samarthat yeh kahawe ki Avesta ke likhne waalo ko yeh ni pata ki kaunsi nadi kahan thhi lekin Kocchar aur Kharab ko asliyat pata hai!
Jara majaak nosh pharmayen Kocchar ke paper se:
"The naditama Sarasvati however is to be equated not with Arghandab but with Helmand of which Arghandab is the main tributary.."
Yani Yasht 10.67 hai Helmand ke baare mein lekin ise Saraswati padha jaaye!! Kyonki Kocchar aur Kharab khen laag re se. Avesta ke likhne waale to ghaas char rahe thhe unhe apni nadiyon ka hi nahi pata kyonki waha kochhar aur kharab to thhe ni.
Kyon dhin dhaade apna majak kadhwa rahe ho Tau?
narenderkharb
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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_QzuDVa8LK28/TEwznOjL6iI/AAAAAAAAAH0/IsCSFxtD32w/s1600/sarasvati.jpg
Yeh Naksha Professor Yashpal dwara banaya gaya tha. Yeh UGC ke chairman thhe aur LANDSAT imaging satellite dwara is nakshe ke liye shodh kiya gaya thha. Isme aap swayam gin lijiye kitni tributaries saraswati nadi mein milti hain.
Kaunse granth se aap yeh tathya prastut kar rahe hain ki Ganga Saraswati mein milti thhi? Maine to aaj tak aisi baat kahin nahi padhi.
Rigved ....Chaturth Aastak....Aastum Aadayay....Sukat 61......
A Hindi translation of this sukata by RG Trivedi......
Trilok vayapini ,Ganga itayadi sapt nadiyon se yukata ,chaaro varno .....ki samriddhi vidayani .Sarswati devi partiyuddh mein logon ke Aahvan yogay hoti hai.
Even later literature is full of references about triveni Sangam by Ganga Yamuna and Sarswati.
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narenderkharb
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Aapne aur kochhar ne to Avesta aur uske likhne aale bhi fail kar diye.
Kocchar aur uske samarthat yeh kahawe ki Avesta ke likhne waalo ko yeh ni pata ki kaunsi nadi kahan thhi lekin Kocchar aur Kharab ko asliyat pata hai!
Jara majaak nosh pharmayen Kocchar ke paper se:
"The naditama Sarasvati however is to be equated not with Arghandab but with Helmand of which Arghandab is the main tributary.."
Yani Yasht 10.67 hai Helmand ke baare mein lekin ise Saraswati padha jaaye!! Kyonki Kocchar aur Kharab khen laag re se. Avesta ke likhne waale to ghaas char rahe thhe unhe apni nadiyon ka hi nahi pata kyonki waha kochhar aur kharab to thhe ni.
Kyon dhin dhaade apna majak kadhwa rahe ho Tau?
Bhai ji
Kochhar explained what you want to know by giving example of Oxsus how Vedic Vaxu is just a small tributary of main river today .Again he explained in details why a Ghaggar river of India shown Yashpal maps can not be the Rigvedic Sarswati by arguments rationally and logicaly.
Aaap Aaapne gayan kapat ko itana kasute kyon binchh rahe ho?? ....thodaa bhot gayan bahar taen bhi aa len diya karo.I will suggest you to participate in a discussion with an open mind ......As we saw on All empire form...
Vanky despite being a brahman doesn't want to glorify his ancesstors for psuedo reasons ........and you portray your Tomar /Tur ancesstor as Malecchas/degraded etc..for no valid reason ..this is the sign of a closed mind.
If you read closely Rigved has references that say that Indra brought Tur and Yadu from distant country ......Turvasa were Yagic .... ..They gave donations after havanas ..etc .If you want page no and Salok I can post that too.
Bhai if you want to know there is lot to learn but pls have an open mind and a will to learn
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Rigved ....Chaturth Aastak....Aastum Aadayay....Sukat 61......
A Hindi translation of this sukata by RN Trivedi......
Trilok vayapini ,Ganga itayadi sapt nadiyon se yukata ,chaaro varno .....ki samriddhi vidayani .Sarswati devi partiyuddh mein logon ke Aahvan yogay hoti hai.
Even later literature is full of references about triveni Sangam by Ganga Yamuna and Sarswati.
Kabhi Kabhak mool stotra mein kya likha hai yeh bhi dekh lena chaiye. Isne yeh kaha, aur phalane ne voh aur dhikde ne teesra: yeh sab bekaar hai jab aapke paas mool stotra hai.
Rigved ko shlok diya gaya hai:
अधि बृबुः पणीनां वर्षिष्ठे मूर्धन्नस्थात् । उरुः कक्षो न गाङ्ग्यः ॥३१॥
Isme kahin Ganga ka Saraswati mein judne ka jikar nahi hai.
</pre>To trivedi aur aapki baat ko kaise sach maan lein?
Is shloka ka anuvaad :
"Brbu hath set himself above the Panis, o'er their highest head,
Like the wide bush on Ganga's bank."
Artharth Saraswati nadi se is shloka ka koi sambandh nahi hai.
Aap ek bahut badi bhool kar rahe hain. Kisi ko yeh ijajat nahin hai ki mool stotra mein jo likha hai use apne niji swarth ke liye apni manmaani se badal liya jaaye.Bhai ji
Kochhar explained what you want to know by giving example of Oxsus how Vedic Vaxu is just a small tributary of main river today
Aap Kochhar ke be buniyaad tark ka samarthan kar rahe hain. Jab Avesta mein 10.67 yasht mein Saraswati ka jikr nahin hai to uuse na aap, na kocchar aur na koi teesra jabardasti yeh manwa sakta hai ki 10.67 mein Saraswati ka jikr hai.
Kocchar bawala hai. Jitni jaldi aap apna penda us se chudhaohe utna accha rahega. Yani desh ke sabse bade vaigyanik Yashpal ko fail kiya ja raha hai yeh tathya dekar ki Ganga aur Yamuna Iran mein hain? Is se bada pagalpan aur kya ho sakta hai?.Again he explained in details why a Ghaggar river of India shown Yashpal maps can not be the Rigvedic Sarswati by arguments rationally and logicaly.
Aaap Aaapne gayan kapat ko itana kasute kyon binchh rahe ho?? ....thodaa bhot gayan bahar taen bhi aa len diya karo.
Dekho ji agar aap kaho ge ki Rigved aur Avesta ko tod marod lo apna ullu seedha karne ke liye to mein aapse sehmati naha jata sakta.
Insaan ko sach bolna chaiye aur jo mool granth mein likha uska imaandari se vishleshan karna chhaiye.
Agar sachai ke dayare mein rahenge to mera pura samarthan aapko hai.
narenderkharb
Active member
Kabhi Kabhak mool stotra mein kya likha hai yeh bhi dekh lena chaiye. Isne yeh kaha, aur phalane ne voh aur dhikde ne teesra: yeh sab bekaar hai jab aapke paas mool stotra hai.
Rigved ko shlok diya gaya hai:
अधि बृबुः पणीनां वर्षिष्ठे मूर्धन्नस्थात् । उरुः कक्षो न गाङ्ग्यः ॥३१॥
Isme kahin Ganga ka Saraswati mein judne ka jikar nahi hai.
</PRE>To trivedi aur aapki baat ko kaise sach maan lein?
Is shloka ka anuvaad :
"Brbu hath set himself above the Panis, o'er their highest head,
Like the wide bush on Ganga's bank."
Artharth Saraswati nadi se is shloka ka koi sambandh nahi hai.
Aar oh Bhai Yo dusara salok sai vo dusara ....Kayun post padate he baaj le sai ..Take some time and post then.
narenderkharb
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Bhai ji hum ne yahan koi coliation Govt. nahi banani jo samarthan ki jarurat ho.Aap ek bahut badi bhool kar rahe hain. Kisi ko yeh ijajat nahin hai ki mool stotra mein jo likha hai use apne niji swarth ke liye apni manmaani se badal liya jaaye.
Aap Kochhar ke be buniyaad tark ka samarthan kar rahe hain. Jab Avesta mein 10.67 yasht mein Saraswati ka jikr nahin hai to uuse na aap, na kocchar aur na koi teesra jabardasti yeh manwa sakta hai ki 10.67 mein Saraswati ka jikr hai.
Kocchar bawala hai. Jitni jaldi aap apna penda us se chudhaohe utna accha rahega. Yani desh ke sabse bade vaigyanik Yashpal ko fail kiya ja raha hai yeh tathya dekar ki Ganga aur Yamuna Iran mein hain? Is se bada pagalpan aur kya ho sakta hai?
Dekho ji agar aap kaho ge ki Rigved aur Avesta ko tod marod lo apna ullu seedha karne ke liye to mein aapse sehmati naha jata sakta.
Insaan ko sach bolna chaiye aur jo mool granth mein likha uska imaandari se vishleshan karna chhaiye.
Agar sachai ke dayare mein rahenge to mera pura samarthan aapko hai.
Aaryans bahar se kaun aaye the ....dherr ssare reasons diye hain Vanki ki post mein All Empire forum pe ...Aap thoda sa apana time laga kar unhe padane ka kosis karen .Ye Aaap ke hi kaam aayega.
Aar oh Bhai Yo dusara salok sai vo dusara ....
To jara yahan Sanskrit ka shloka likh do . Yah uska mandal aur sukta number deyo.
Vah! Ab yeh Vanki kaun hai? Kochcar ka rishtedaar? Iran mein Saraswati ka kya hua?Bhai ji hum ne yahan koi coliation Govt. nahi banani jo samarthan ki jarurat ho.
Aaryans bahar se kaun aaye the ....dherr ssare reasons diye hain Vanki ki post mein All Empire forum pe ...Aap thoda sa apana time laga kar unhe padane ka kosis karen .Ye Aaap ke hi kaam aayega.