Research on history of Jat clans

Members may see on Jatland for understanding family names in other countries and languages - [wiki]List of family name Prefixes[/wiki]
 
lrburdak said:
al Dalal = The Dalal

Al in arabic is same as the in English.
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No, Mr.Burdak you missed the main point.

Check this out:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/11873/al



"al-, Arabic definite article, meaning “the.” It often prefixes Arabic proper nouns, especially place-names; an example is Al-Jazīrah (Arabic: “The Island”), the name of an interfluvial region in Sudan. The article is often used in lowercase form, hence al-Jazīrah. Reference works, including theEncyclopædia Britannica, often alphabetize names beginning with al- under the main part of the name (thus, in the example, “Jazīrah, Al-”). Thirteen Arabic letters—the so-called sun letters, t, th, d, dh, r, z, s, sh, ṣ, ḍ, ṭ, ẓ, and n—assimilate the l of al- in pronunciation; thus, Ash-Shām (the colloquial Arabic name of Damascus), not Al-Shām.Care must be taken to avoid confusing the definite article al- meaning “the” with the form Āl, a different Arabic construction that is used to designate a family or tribal name. Āl is invariate and does not elide; thus, Āl Saʿūd, not Ās-Saʿūd. The form Āl is always romanized with a capital letter, irrespective of its position in an English sentence."
 
maddhan1979 said:
No, Mr.Burdak you missed the main point.

Check this out:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/11873/al



"al-, Arabic definite article, meaning “the.” It often prefixes Arabic proper nouns, especially place-names; an example is Al-Jazīrah (Arabic: “The Island”), the name of an interfluvial region in Sudan. The article is often used in lowercase form, hence al-Jazīrah. Reference works, including theEncyclopædia Britannica, often alphabetize names beginning with al- under the main part of the name (thus, in the example, “Jazīrah, Al-”). Thirteen Arabic letters—the so-called sun letters, t, th, d, dh, r, z, s, sh, ṣ, ḍ, ṭ, ẓ, and n—assimilate the l of al- in pronunciation; thus, Ash-Shām (the colloquial Arabic name of Damascus), not Al-Shām.Care must be taken to avoid confusing the definite article al- meaning “the” with the form Āl, a different Arabic construction that is used to designate a family or tribal name. Āl is invariate and does not elide; thus, Āl Saʿūd, not Ās-Saʿūd. The form Āl is always romanized with a capital letter, irrespective of its position in an English sentence."
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"Care must be taken to avoid confusing the definite article al- meaning “the” with the form Āl, a different Arabic construction that is used to designate a family or tribal name."
 
lrburdak said:
al Dalal = The Dalal

Al in arabic is same as the in English.
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As i have given some more detailed information about the use of "al" in "al dalal", according to that "Dalal" family name becomes a tribal family name. My computer does not have the key to write "al", as it is written in Arabic form, so we must not get confused by "the" meaning of "al", which does not hold true for family name "Dalal".
 
Burdaky Coat of Arms / Burdaky Family Crest

While searching Burdak surname I found some Slavonic connection of Burdak surname:

"This surname of BURDAKY was a Slavonic personal name which appears to derived originally from the Russian or Polish word 'BURY' meaning 'grizzly'. The name is also spelt as BUREN, BURIANEK, BURYSEK, BURES and BURDAK. It was also occasionally used as a nickname for a large fellow. The modern state of Czechoslovakia is going through a transitional phase as a result of the fall of the Iron Curtain. Its various regions encompassed the medieval provinces of Bohemia, Moravia, and Slovakia. "

I got on the website - http://www.4crests.com/burdaky-coat-of-arms.html

It needs further research on the subject !!!
 
Villages founded by clans

We are compiling history of Jat clans on Jatland Wiki. We have created a separate section in each clan page about the villages founded by that clan. That will help to reconstruct the history of that clan . If you know that a particular village was founded by that clan then you may add the village name to this section. If you see this section has not been created on some page you may create yourself by adding

== Villages founded by .... clan ==
 
lrburdak said:
Burdaky Coat of Arms / Burdaky Family Crest

While searching Burdak surname I found some Slavonic connection of Burdak surname:

"This surname of BURDAKY was a Slavonic personal name which appears to derived originally from the Russian or Polish word 'BURY' meaning 'grizzly'. The name is also spelt as BUREN, BURIANEK, BURYSEK, BURES and BURDAK. It was also occasionally used as a nickname for a large fellow. The modern state of Czechoslovakia is going through a transitional phase as a result of the fall of the Iron Curtain. Its various regions encompassed the medieval provinces of Bohemia, Moravia, and Slovakia. "

I got on the website - http://www.4crests.com/burdaky-coat-of-arms.html

It needs further research on the subject !!!
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I think rather than focusing the research on "Myths", "Folklores" and the crap created by religious misinformation, we can find lot of "Jat History", if look it from outwards i.e. from Russian side, from European side, from central Asian side, from Siberian side and from Middle east side. Necessary points is to look it from tribal migration point of view and as Mr. Burdak points out, he clearly shows a separation from Myth and false religious information of "Burdak" family name.
 
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maddhan1979 said:
I think rather then focusing the research on "Myths", "Folklores" and the crap created by religious misinformation, we can find lot of "Jat History", if look it from outwards i.e. from Russian side, from European side, from central Asian side, from Siberian side and from Middle east side. Necessary points is to look it from tribal migration point of view.
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Is it possible that "Lohan" clan derives it name from this region of Ukrain?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luhansk
 
Theba clan history

Theba (थेबा) Thebo (थेबो) is gotra of Jats found in Pakistan. They are called Thebo in Sindh, Pakistan. It is same as Thebad (थेबड़) found in Rajasthan. Thebari (थेबड़ी) , known as Veer Nagri, village in Didwana tehsil of Nagaur Distinct in Rajasthan was founded by "Theba Jats. Khairpur district in the Sindh province of Pakistan has population of Thebo tribe. Theba is village in Jamnagar district in Gujarat.

You may see it here on Jatland Wiki - [wiki]Theba [/wiki]
 
Brahmanya Jat clan

Brahmanya (ब्राह्मणया) is a Jat Gotra found in Madhya Pradesh. Brahmanya is one of names of Shiva. They are found in Villages in Sheopur District: Lath . Notable persons: Devi Ram Singh (Brahmanya) - Village: Lath Sheopur.[ Jat-Veer Smarika, Gwalior, 1987-88,p.126,s.n.158,169,186]
 
Jat Clans in Trans Chambal Jatwara

[wiki]Jatwara Trans Chambal[/wiki] - The approximate axis of the "Jatwara Tract" could be taken to comprise the general line represented by Bhind, Gohad and Indargarh, overlapping the modern districts of Bhind, Gwalior and Datia in the present day Madhya Pradesh. Astride this axis and in a fan-like direction from it, there is a scattered population of Jats: to the East, it extends towards the lower reaches of the Chambal and Sind Rivers: to the West towards Gwalior, Shivpuri, Dabra, Magrora, and Bhitarwar.

As a rule exclusive Jat habitations are few. More often the Jat is to be found in solitary homesteads in composite ethnic villages, his remote ancestor probably having been assigned the custody of the local Jat garhi (minor fortification), still precariously perched atop the neighboring hillock.

I have compiled and integrated all the Jat clans found in this tract. You may see here -

[wiki]Category:Gotras in Gwalior[/wiki]

[wiki]Category:Gotras in Bhind[/wiki]

[wiki]Category:Gotras in Datia[/wiki]

[wiki]Category:Gotras in Sheopur[/wiki]

Some of the clans are very ancient and interesting: I quote some

[wiki]Akodia[/wiki]

[wiki]Beta[/wiki]

[wiki]Bhardwaj[/wiki]

[wiki]Dron[/wiki]

[wiki]Janmeda[/wiki]

[wiki]Kayjan[/wiki]

[wiki]Mandanya[/wiki]

[wiki]Morpa[/wiki]

[wiki]Panchal[/wiki]

[wiki]Panni[/wiki]

[wiki]Pothia[/wiki]

[wiki]Ronkha[/wiki]

[wiki]Tagia[/wiki]

[wiki]Ujalayan[/wiki]

You may click above links to see details.
 
"In the next series of coins we find the tribal name of Gadahara, who probably
succeeded the Shilada rulers in central Panjab. These coins also show the
names of Peraya, Kirada and Samudra. It is the name Kirada that has also been
read in the coins of Kidara12 (see below). Much controversy has been generated
by the occurrence of the name Samudra: it is generally assumed that it
refers to the great Gupta ruler Samudra (320–375) who, in his Allahabad pillar
inscription,13 claims to have allowed the daivaputra-shahi-shahanushahi (obviously
referring to the Kushan king) to rule in his kingdom and issue coinage
in subordinate relation to him.14 It attests to the autonomy of the Kushan king’s
rule over the territory. This statement may be judged against the background
of the military successes of Samudragupta, who by this time had uprooted (see
Chapter 8) the tribal states of the Yaudheyas and Madras, whose territories
extended over eastern and central Panjab. Thus, although Samudragupta had
gone to the very border of Gadahara territory, he did not uproot that tribe, but
merely brought them under his suzerainty. It is equally possible that, being
pressed by the Sasanians in the west, the Gadaharas established diplomatic ties
with the Guptas and thus secured themselves a temporary reprieve.
Before discussing the consequences of this diplomacy, it is necessary to
identify the Gadaharas. Cunningham15 long ago suggested that they may be
the same people who are today known as Gakkharas in western Panjab. Although
there is a phonetic similarity in the names, the Gakkharas themselves
trace their ancestry to the Kayanians in Iran and believe that they arrived in
the area at the time of Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni (988–1030). On the other
hand, the Allahabad inscription gives all the Kushan titles. They are taken to
apply to the Gadaharas, who at this time were issuing Kushan types of coins
in central Panjab."
Source: Civilisation of Central Asia, Volume 3. p.165.

I recommend the scholars to look into this and please tally if here the GODARAS are being spoken of.
 
Ambijat said:
"In the next series of coins we find the tribal name of Gadahara, who probably
succeeded the Shilada rulers in central Panjab. These coins also show the
names of Peraya, Kirada and Samudra. It is the name Kirada that has also been
read in the coins of Kidara12 (see below). Much controversy has been generated
by the occurrence of the name Samudra: it is generally assumed that it
refers to the great Gupta ruler Samudra (320–375) who, in his Allahabad pillar
inscription,13 claims to have allowed the daivaputra-shahi-shahanushahi (obviously
referring to the Kushan king) to rule in his kingdom and issue coinage
in subordinate relation to him.14 It attests to the autonomy of the Kushan king’s
rule over the territory. This statement may be judged against the background
of the military successes of Samudragupta, who by this time had uprooted (see
Chapter 8) the tribal states of the Yaudheyas and Madras, whose territories
extended over eastern and central Panjab. Thus, although Samudragupta had
gone to the very border of Gadahara territory, he did not uproot that tribe, but
merely brought them under his suzerainty. It is equally possible that, being
pressed by the Sasanians in the west, the Gadaharas established diplomatic ties
with the Guptas and thus secured themselves a temporary reprieve.
Before discussing the consequences of this diplomacy, it is necessary to
identify the Gadaharas. Cunningham15 long ago suggested that they may be
the same people who are today known as Gakkharas in western Panjab. Although
there is a phonetic similarity in the names, the Gakkharas themselves
trace their ancestry to the Kayanians in Iran and believe that they arrived in
the area at the time of Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni (988–1030). On the other
hand, the Allahabad inscription gives all the Kushan titles. They are taken to
apply to the Gadaharas, who at this time were issuing Kushan types of coins
in central Panjab."
Source: Civilisation of Central Asia, Volume 3. p.165.

I recommend the scholars to look into this and please tally if here the GODARAS are being spoken of.
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Thanks for sharing good historical reference.

Have some clue where these coins are available. Even the facsimile of the coins could be useful for exact study of the written words. If so the language used could definitely settle the case.

Coincidently, coins of Youdheyes with words dwi, tri Youdheyes [two groups and three groups united under the gana of the Youdheyes]have also come to light during the same period in a vast region stretching from Alwar to Dehradun and thence from Dehradun to Ambala and Ludhiana. Youdheyes have been identified as Jats by many historians.

Kindly give full details of the book referred to in the post so that those who are interested could read it.
 
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Ambijat said:
"In the next series of coins we find the tribal name of Gadahara, who probably
succeeded the Shilada rulers in central Panjab. These coins also show the
names of Peraya, Kirada and Samudra. It is the name Kirada that has also been
read in the coins of Kidara12 (see below). Much controversy has been generated
by the occurrence of the name Samudra: it is generally assumed that it
refers to the great Gupta ruler Samudra (320–375) who, in his Allahabad pillar
inscription,13 claims to have allowed the daivaputra-shahi-shahanushahi (obviously
referring to the Kushan king) to rule in his kingdom and issue coinage
in subordinate relation to him.14 It attests to the autonomy of the Kushan king’s
rule over the territory. This statement may be judged against the background
of the military successes of Samudragupta, who by this time had uprooted (see
Chapter 8) the tribal states of the Yaudheyas and Madras, whose territories
extended over eastern and central Panjab. Thus, although Samudragupta had
gone to the very border of Gadahara territory, he did not uproot that tribe, but
merely brought them under his suzerainty. It is equally possible that, being
pressed by the Sasanians in the west, the Gadaharas established diplomatic ties
with the Guptas and thus secured themselves a temporary reprieve.
Before discussing the consequences of this diplomacy, it is necessary to
identify the Gadaharas. Cunningham15 long ago suggested that they may be
the same people who are today known as Gakkharas in western Panjab. Although
there is a phonetic similarity in the names, the Gakkharas themselves
trace their ancestry to the Kayanians in Iran and believe that they arrived in
the area at the time of Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni (988–1030). On the other
hand, the Allahabad inscription gives all the Kushan titles. They are taken to
apply to the Gadaharas, who at this time were issuing Kushan types of coins
in central Panjab."
Source: Civilisation of Central Asia, Volume 3. p.165.

I recommend the scholars to look into this and please tally if here the GODARAS are being spoken of.
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Seems so but the linguistic expert could throw better light on the issue.
 
Ambijat said:
"In the next series of coins we find the tribal name of Gadahara, who probably
succeeded the Shilada rulers in central Panjab. .....................
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Gadahara seems very similar to Balahara, a clan found in Jats, who were considered to be the greatest rulers in Sindh and Hind by Arab historians.
 
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