Research on history of Jat clans

Narendra Ji,

1. There is a gotra among jats- Chaudharaan, which I had known since my childhood.I believe this from the sanskritic origin-Chaudhar ayanaa.
2. At some stage the people of this gotra started writing their gotra as Chaudaahrana. This did not stay longber as it was longish.
3. It got replaced by the last part -'Rana' aladder up (at least in believing)in the reckoning among gotras.
4. In my own case -my gotra is Jatraana. The same thing happened here- retaining of the last part which makes it member of the elite names of gotra 9by virtue of its origins in Raja)

No sir this is mere speculation that defies historical narrations and supporting evidence.

Both Choudhary and Rana are older and have different origin.

If we go through Chachnama it is mentioned that Kasim after his victory over Brahmanabad manages affairs of state as per the wishes of Brahman minister and then call on influential people and confers title of Rana on them Rana means a lesser king or a leader which shows word is not related to chodhraan.

Choudhary which is synonymous with Jats , means a leader and it was held by jetae even when they ruled smarkand areas in central asia which may be quite surprising to many of modern day historians.Use of such titles for JATS gives an indication of their social status in earlier times.
 
Rana Saheb

In reference to your theory about Jat origin...You mention It was given by Arabs who had among them a class of people considered low may be around their invasion of Sindh ..known as Jat ..with soft T ..

First I would like to know where is the source for this information about a class of people known as Jat..(with soft )living among Arabs in around seventh century AD.

Second if Arabs knew them as Jat with Soft t why Indians then changed that to Jat with hard T ,...

again if Arabs also mean Jat with soft then How can we deny the existence of people known as Jat earlier who were known as Jarts/Jartikas by other writers and sources like Mahabharata much earlier then sevent century AD.

Natendra Ji,

Robert Shafer in his Ethnography of Ancient India has made an exhaustive study of the Ethnography of the tribes mentioned in the various
v ersions of the Mahabharata available from 1452 A.D. to 1879 A.D .including also the critical edition., does not find the mention of the Jartikas or the Jartas any where in the text. Do we then insist on tracing the antiquities of our Jats through such terms as Jarta or Jartika?

Further is not Mahabharata a literary work with uncertain historicity of facts and incidents contained therin. The debate is inconclusive, I would think.
Do
 
Natendra Ji,

Robert Shafer in his Ethnography of Ancient India has made an exhaustive study of the Ethnography of the tribes mentioned in the various
v ersions of the Mahabharata available from 1452 A.D. to 1879 A.D .including also the critical edition., does not find the mention of the Jartikas or the Jartas any where in the text. Do we then insist on tracing the antiquities of our Jats through such terms as Jarta or Jartika?

Further is not Mahabharata a literary work with uncertain historicity of facts and incidents contained therin. The debate is inconclusive, I would think.
Do
Can you share why you believed Robert Shaper and not other versions.
 
Natendra Ji,

Further is nomt Mahabharata a literary work with uncertain historicity of facts and incidents contained therin. The debate is inconclusive, I would think.
Do

Sir Have you ever tried to find out relation of Scythians ,Jetae ,Saka and present day Jats ?

As pointed out earlier groups with similar names were reported by various reputed geographers as Ptolemy Strabo why you think they were unrelated to present people?
 
No sir this is mere speculation that defies historical narrations and supporting evidence.

Both Choudhary and Rana are older and have different origin.

If we go through Chachnama it is mentioned that Kasim after his victory over Brahmanabad manages affairs of state as per the wishes of Brahman minister and then call on influential people and confers title of Rana on them Rana means a lesser king or a leader which shows word is not related to chodhraan.

Choudhary which is synonymous with Jats , means a leader and it was held by jetae even when they ruled smarkand areas in central asia which may be quite surprising to many of modern day historians.Use of such titles for JATS gives an indication of their social status in earlier times.

Narendra Ji,
Be Kind. What I stated in my above post No.679 was not a speculation > It is the case of Village Paakasmaa in Rohtak, The Jats of this village have Chaudhraan as their gotra. The new generation has started writing its abridged form viz. Rana . It has no connection with Chaudhary. You may verify.
 
Narendra Ji,
Be Kind. What I stated in my above post No.679 was not a speculation > It is the case of Village Paakasmaa in Rohtak, The Jats of this village have Chaudhraan as their gotra. The new generation has started writing its abridged form viz. Rana . It has no connection with Chaudhary. You may verify.

Rana Saheb

With all humility I want to submit what if Choudhraan of Paksmaa started writing Rana can we deduce that all Ranas were Chodhraans earlier my submission was to that extent only.When we clearly read that Kasim conferred title Rana and not Chodraan on influential people of near by areas in earlier texts.
 
Rana Saheb

With all humility I want to submit what if Choudhraan of Paksmaa started writing Rana can we deduce that all Ranas were Chodhraans earlier my submission was to that extent only.When we clearly read that Kasim conferred title Rana and not Chodraan on influential people of near by areas in earlier texts.
I never said that all Ranas can be or are to be derived from Chaudhran or Chaudahrana. I was trying to explain only one Rana occurring in the term Chauhaahrana.
But let me restate that essentially Rana is a later form of the original Sanskrit term 'Raja(Rajan) travelling through various forms in Pali . Prakrit, Apabhransha and Hindustani etc.
Can we in the end say that there are Ranas and Ranas and all of them not the same (as there is more what is not visible in the end use on occasions like settlement of marriages)
 
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Narendra Ji,

Shafer is a source. I mentioned it. If there is any thing darlier than this I would be happy to refer to,

and be wise if there is any thing to the contrary.

Shafer is just the interpreter of sources ,I wanted to know his rationale of denying Jartika mentioned in current versions since you read that any way I would go through his work and see his logic..any way what about other geographers Ptolmey Strabo and foreign writers why not Jetae ,Messagetae ??
 
Sir Have you ever tried to find out relation of Scythians ,Jetae ,Saka and present day Jats ?

As pointed out earlier groups with similar names were reported by various reputed geographers as Ptolemy Strabo why you think they were unrelated to present people?

Narendra Ji,

This is a very difficult area for me. You would recall my earlier hesitation on this part. The pioneers on the area were terrific scholars in their own way. They had their commitments too. The material on hand is stupendous. To handle it one needs a full discipline study which I had no occasion to pursue. Therefore, aware as I am of my limitations I rather should refrain from commenting on the issue. Similar is my condition on the blood group theory.
 
Natendra Ji,

Robert Shafer in his Ethnography of Ancient India has made an exhaustive study of the Ethnography of the tribes mentioned in the various
v ersions of the Mahabharata available from 1452 A.D. to 1879 A.D .including also the critical edition., does not find the mention of the Jartikas or the Jartas any where in the text. Do we then insist on tracing the antiquities of our Jats through such terms as Jarta or Jartika?

Further is not Mahabharata a literary work with uncertain historicity of facts and incidents contained therin. The debate is inconclusive, I would think.
Do

[h=2]Jartika in Mahabharata[/h] Jartikas are are mentioned in the Karna Parva of the Mahabharata. (VIII.30.14)

<dl><dd>शाकलं नाम नगरम आपगा नाम निम्नगा
</dd><dd>जर्तिका नाम बाह्लीकास तेषां वृत्तं सुनिन्थितम [SUP][10][/SUP]</dd></dl> <dl><dd>śākalaṃ nāma nagaram āpagā nāma nimnagā</dd><dd>jartikā nāma bāhlīkās teṣāṃ vṛttaṃ suninditam ...Mahabharata (VIII.30.14)
</dd></dl>
 
Rana Saheb

With all humility I want to submit what if Choudhraan of Paksmaa started writing Rana can we deduce that all Ranas were Chodhraans earlier my submission was to that extent only.When we clearly read that Kasim conferred title Rana and not Chodraan on influential people of near by areas in earlier texts.


राणा एक खिताब या उपाधि है जो जाटों, राजपूतों तथा गोरखों में है। जाट क्षत्रियों में बहुत से गोत्र राणा उपाधि लगाते है उदाहरणार्थ-राजराणा ,काकराणा, आदराणा, तातराणा, शिवराणा, चौदहराणा आदि वंश अपनी राणा उपाधि पर गर्व करते हैं। गोहद और धोलपुर राज्य नरेशों की उपाधि राणा की थी। जाटों में इस राणा उपाधि वाले गोत्रों तथा उनकी जनसंख्या बहुत है।

Ref - Jat History Dalip Singh Ahlawat/Chapter II
 
राणा एक खिताब या उपाधि है जो जाटों, राजपूतों तथा गोरखों में है। जाट क्षत्रियों में बहुत से गोत्र राणा उपाधि लगाते है उदाहरणार्थ-राजराणा ,काकराणा, आदराणा, तातराणा, शिवराणा, चौदहराणा आदि वंश अपनी राणा उपाधि पर गर्व करते हैं। गोहद और धोलपुर राज्य नरेशों की उपाधि राणा की थी। जाटों में इस राणा उपाधि वाले गोत्रों तथा उनकी जनसंख्या बहुत है।

Ref - Jat History Dalip Singh Ahlawat/Chapter II

Laxman Ji,

I think my explanation of how some gotras having nothing to do with the term Rana (a remnant of Raja) has been missed completely. The above gotras cited in the post are examples. The final part in all of these is -raayana Though wrongly split) is responsible for the form first -Ran then _Raana.
Just see for illustration:

Jasraana has come from Jasraan, which in turn comes from Sanskrit jasraayaNa. The last orm indicates the third generation from where a gotra stats as decreed by Panini's grammar in Sanskrit.
 
What exactly means - raayaNa ?

It seems derived from Ray ?

Regards
Not connected with Ray. This forms part of certain gotras Examples are:KaakaraayaNA(Sanskrit gotra): in later linguistic change it becomes kaakraana: in next stage it sounds as kaakaraanaa : finally the temptation of retaining the last part raana for social mobility is immense. Similar is the story of jasran. chaudharaan ,jasraana etc.
 
Jartika in Mahabharata

Jartikas are are mentioned in the Karna Parva of the Mahabharata. (VIII.30.14)

<dl><dd>शाकलं नाम नगरम आपगा नाम निम्नगा
</dd><dd>जर्तिका नाम बाह्लीकास तेषां वृत्तं सुनिन्थितम [SUP][10][/SUP]</dd></dl> <dl><dd>śākalaṃ nāma nagaram āpagā nāma nimnagā</dd><dd>jartikā nāma bāhlīkās teṣāṃ vṛttaṃ suninditam ...Mahabharata (VIII.30.14)
</dd></dl>

This is what I had stated in an earlier post. I had mentioned about Robert Shafer's work on tribal study. Jarttikas do not figure among the tribes discovered by Shafer in the early versions of the Mahabharata, including the critical edition.
 
History of Kuval Jat clan

So far I could find Kuval Jat Gotra in Tonk,and Jaipur districts in Rajasthan.

Origin
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1. Kuval clan may get name from King Kuvalayāpira mentioned in the history of Kashmir by Kalhana.[SUP][1]

[/SUP]2. They probably get name after Kuban geographic region of Southern Russia surrounding the Kuban River.

Hukum Singh Panwar (Pauria)[SUP][2][/SUP] writes that The Russian archaeologists discovered innumerable graves of the Saka Kings and chieftains in the Kuban, north of the Caucasus (7th-6th century B.C.), in the Crimea, in south Russia, in the Taman peninsula, in the Dnieper Valley as far up as Kiev, as well as in the Don, Donetz and Volga basins as far westwards as the Urals, in the Dunube basin as far west as Hungary and in what used to be East Prussia and is now Western Poland (6th-5th century B.C.). Excavations of the Royal Scythian tombs by M.P. Gryazhnov, S.I. Rudenko and others at Pazyryk and other sites in the Western Altai and nearer to lake Baikal (6th-4th century B.C. contemporary of Herodotus's Royal Scythians of South Russia) were most interesting and informative[SUP][3][/SUP].

References -1. Rajatarangini of Kalhana:Kings of Kashmira/Book IV,pp.81-82
2.The Jats:Their Origin, Antiquity and Migrations/The identification of the Jats,p.318
3.Artamonov, M.I.; 'Frozen Tombs of the Scythians', in the Scientific American, May, 1965, Vol. 212, No.5, pp. 100-109.
 
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History of Damara Jat clan

Damara (दमारा) is an ancient gotra of Jats found in Haryana. Damar/Dumhar/Damara clan is found in Afghanistan. Damar clan is found in Afghanistan.This gotra is found in Jind in Haryana.

Jats the Ancient Rulers (A clan study), Book by Bhim Singh Dahiya mentions in the list Varahamihira's Names as Damara which at present is Damar. [SUP][1]

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H. W. Bellew writes that Dumhar for Damara, a tribe formerly very numerous, and figuring prominently in the history of Kashmir (Rajataringini), as a powerful and turbulent people in the country about Lahore. The Dumhar, Domar, or Damar inhabit the Tokatu mountain overlooking Shal (Quetta) valley in Kalat Balochistan. [SUP][2]

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H. W. Bellew writes that The Damar, Domur, or Dumar are the same, as the Damara of the Rajataringini, as figuring prominently in the history of Kashmir between the ninth and twelfth centuries, during which period, it appears, they occupied the country about Lahore, and on several occasions caused trouble by their turbulence. They are mentioned sometimes along with the Lavanya and Achlholada, tribes of equally restless character but who for us have a peculiar interest on account of the identity of their names with those borne by some of the existing neighbours of the Afghan or Pathan Domar of Peshin and Shal Kot (Quetta), namely, the Luni Pathan and Achakzi Durani. [SUP][3][/SUP]

Damara in Rajataringini

Rajataringini[SUP][4][/SUP] writes that in the Kashmira year 97, in the month of Pousha, the Tantris set aside Partha and set up his father " the idle," their protege to the throne. But in the month of Magha next year he died after having coronated his infant son Chakravarmma. In the year 9 (of the next century) the ministers set aside Chakravarmma, and raised to the throne Shuravarmma son of "the idle," by queen Mrigavati. Chakravarmma, spoiled of his glory, entered one night into the house of a headman of the Dāmara tribe, named Sangrāma, living at Shralhakka. He knew his guest to be the king, and made his homage to him, and gave him his own seat. The king, now humbled, and driven from his kingdom, asked him for aid. On the morning Chakravarmma followed by innumerable Damaras, marched towards the capital. The Tantri infantry placed Shangkarabardhaua at their head, and went out on the 8th bright lunar day of Chaitra to meet the enemy. Chakravarmma made rapid marches unostentatiously and in disguise. A slurp fight ensued outside the town of Padmapura in which Shangkarabardhana was killed by Chakravarmma who rode a horse. On his death, the Tantri army fled in every direction. But Chakravarmma overtook them in their flight and beheaded them with his sword. In this battle the Tantris lost five or six thousand men, who were killed by Chakravarmma and remained under the shadow of vultures' wings.Thus with the help of the Jat clan Damara Chakravarmma could win his kingdom back.

Origin from Trigartas

Maheswari Prasad consider this gotra to be originated from ancient Trigarta clan named Damani. He[SUP][5][/SUP] writes that it appears that at the time of the final redaction of the Mahabharata the tradition of the six important clans of the Trigartas was well established. It is carious to note that in connection with the application of a suffix Panini makes a reference to the Damini (दामिनी) group and the six Trigartas (दामन्यादि त्रिगर्तसष्टाच्छ: v.3.116). On the basis of an ancient verse the Kashika commentary names these as Kauṇḍoparastha (कौण्डोपरस्थ) , Dāṇḍakī (दाण्डकी), Krauṣṭakī (क्रौष्टकी), Jālamāni (जालमानि), Brahmagupta (ब्रह्मगुप्त), and Jānaki (जानकी). These communities mentioned in the grammatical literature can be identified with following Jat Gotra names: Damani (दामनी)/(दामिनी): Damal , Damara, Damas, Dhami, Dhamora


References -

1. Jats the Ancient Rulers (A clan study)/Appendices/Appendix II
, p.331

2.An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan
, H. W. Bellew, p.122

3. An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan
By H. W. Bellew, The Oriental University Institute, Woking, 1891, p.167

4. Rajatarangini of Kalhana:Kings of Kashmira/Book V,pp. 126-130

5. Maheswari Prasad, “Jats in Ancient India”:The Jats, Ed. Dr Vir Singh, Vol.I, p. 26
 
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History of Tung Jat clan

Tung (तुंग)[SUP][1][/SUP] [SUP][2][/SUP] Tunga (तुंग)/ Tang (तंग)[SUP][3][/SUP][SUP][4][/SUP] Tangu (तांगू)/Tang (तांग)[SUP][5][/SUP] [SUP][6][/SUP] is gotra of Jats in Punjab.

[h=2]Origin[/h] This gotra is said to be originated from Raja named Tunga (तुंग) of the country named Tunga (तुंग) settled on the river Tunga (तुंग). [SUP][7][/SUP]


History

Tung clan people emigrated from Delhi and founded village Tung (Amritsar) about the beginning of 18th century. He joined Ramgarhia misl under Jassa Singh. Gurmukh Singh Tung was a Punjab Chief of Tung-Jat Clan. Their ancestor Sahib Singh received Tung village in Jagir from his Chief. He died in 1804 and his only son Fatah Singh died preceding year. Fatah Singh's three sons remained with Jodh Sing, the Ramgarhia Sirdar till 1816 when the Maharaja seized the confederacy. They joined his services. Gurmukh Singh and Nidhan Singh each received command of 100 horsemen. After the capture of Multan in 1818 when both brothers were present they received grant of their ancestral village Tung. Gurmukh Singh was commandant in Ramgarhia brigade and served at Multan, Mankera, Tirah, Kashmir and Peshawar. He also fought in the Satlaj campaign of 1845-46 when his brother Nidhan Singh was killed. Under the Durbar he was employed in the Manjha as assistant to Gumani Lal and Lal Singh Talwandi, and afterward sent to Sovarian under Diwan Hakim Rai. [SUP][8][/SUP]
 
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