hmm..I think there lies the answer to the ZERO media coverage. I remember when Gujjars were protesting (recently almost 2 years ago), they disrupted the train lines, sat on the train lines for hours hours and hours. Army had to be brought to disperse them. Consequently, the incident was aired on TV channels almost for all day long. Nasty things pull more attention than decent ones.
Aarakshan ko dilli gherenge Jat
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brahmtewatia
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correct !... "once bitten twice shy"... but i don't think such a short sighted thinking can put any brakes to the forthcoming BIG mass movement. this can as well (... and it will) go against their most heavily guarded fears... guess they are forgetting the MIGHTY STRENGTH OF JAT's.
(i have heard from my father... someone can correct me, if i'm wrong)... there was an engraved stone somewhere in delhi's lal-quila (don't know where) which said "looted by JAT's". that was allegedly removed by jhandu lal nehru, since he never wanted JAT's to be shown anywhere in the picture/history.
जाटों का तो ज़माना दुश्मन रहा है, पर अफ़सोस तो मुझे इन "जाट जयचंदों" पर आता है... भगवान् इनके विचारों को शान्ति दे.
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since two threads are running on the same lines, i would like to bring forth one of my post that got buried under #$@$$% going on.
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tomarhitesh23
Banned
Its really nice know this fact...... jo kuchh bhi ho JAT reservation se aaj rajasthan ke har jat ghar chahe wo garib kissan ho ...koi na koi police...engg services .... administrative services...railways...... main hai...or aaj achhi fasal na hone ... akal ki maar hone ke baad bhi sab khush haal hain....... yeh sab dekh ke achha lagta hai... chahe koi CM nahi bana JAT aaj tak..par phir bhi.... JAT log shikshit ho rahe hain.... naukri daar ho rahe hain..... or apni ek pehchan bana rahe hain...... we all should feel proud of that... rather ki hum is reservation ka opposition kare just for sake of prestige... mujhe samajh nahi aata shoshit hona .... undeveloped hona...prestigious hai yaa ... khushal hona..... chahoye loog kuchh bhi kahe ..... par i think whats wrong to be in reserved category..if its giving our needy fellow people a better life......
reservation aane ke baad kya jatoon ki haddiyoon main dam kam ho jayega....... arrrey phir to power bhi hogi apne pass ...Jat IAS/RAS/IPS/IES bhaiyoon ki..... koi bolne ki himmat bhi nahi karega... or jo kari bhi to..... hame kam se kam apne haath gande karne ki jarrorat nahi hogi unhe saltane ke liye.... fhook main udda denge......:rock:rock:rock
Legal tarika sun lee bhai eb Lele:
Kisse chamar kai balak nee godh likhwa dee.. mare gaam main ek ki Age likad gee theee Police ke.. Uske babu neh woh ek chamar ke godh likhwa diya thaa..
Uss chore gelan haam chopad main tash bhi nahin kehla karde
bhai now i understood why u peoples r so proud to be a jaat.
yaar BC BC BC BC BC...............
iske alawa koi aur kaam nahin hai kya............
tomarhitesh23
Banned
hahahahahahahah...sahi tarika hai ..inka naukri paane ka..... bhai iste acha idea to reservation ka hai..... chamar ko baap to nahi bolna padega inhain.....
ravichaudhary
New member
Feb 8 rally and its effect. Future
Reports are now coming through about the bid demonstration in Delhi by the Jats seeking reservation at the Central Government level, (that would include the State level).
The rally was by all means a resounding success. - Over 60,000 persons attended.
This despite little or no promotion and none of the major Jat leaders taking part. This was a grass root movement.
The demonstration was peaceful, at least from the side of the demonstrators.
Unfortunately the police, under orders from the local administration chose to use a Lathi charge and also fire tear gas.
One of the aims of the demonstrators was to deliver a petition to Sonia Gandhi and to Rahul Gandhi, who are the prime leaders of our country.
The police claimed they had instructions not to allow the demonstrators beyond a certain point, and would use a Lathi charge and tear gas. A number of people were hurt, but fortunately not very badly.
Some in the police, sought to order the police constables to start a Lathi charge on the old men present. They were warned that if they did do so, and if anyone was hurt, that person would be chased for the rest of his life justice was obtained. The person meekly withdrew to the back of the police lines, and was not seen again- the bravado was gone.
Interestingly many in the police force did not want to blindly follow orders and hurt their brethren, - something one hopes did not entirely escape the attention of the administration officials.
Practically all administration officials, prefer to have their orders carried out by others and do not wish to come in front.
At one point a government official approached the demonstrators and proposed that a meeting with a central govt minister would be organized, and the petition would be delivered to Sonia Gandhi.
This being achieved the rally was called off, the demonstrators disbursed to their homes.
A meeting was held with Mukul Wasnik, a Central Government Minister, Minister of Social Justice and Empowerment. Mr. Mukul Wasnik met with Mr. Malik and other leaders.
The Minister indicated that the govt was willing to give reservation to UP Jats, but that it would take time.
To this Mr. Malik ( who is from UP) relied that reservation would have be for all Jats no matter what state they came from- the divide and rule policy would not be tolerated.
Asked for a time line, The Minster dilly dallied.
A time line was given to the Central Govt through this minister, - 30 days to issue the order, or the agitation would resume.
The rally was very successful not just because of numbers , but because in that for the 1st time, since the times of Sir Chotu Ram , The great Jat leader of the 1930’s, and 1940s, Sikh Jats and Muslim Jats were also present, and all Jats were united at this gathering.
Sikh Jat and Muslim Jat leaders also addressed the meeting, and were in the vanguard of the procession.
It should also be kept in mind that Jats, Sikh, and Hindu. Muslims are over 60 million strong in north India. When we take our brethren into account- Gujars, Ahirs etc the figure is over 100 million.
That is a powerful force, and united it can accomplish much – the goal being to uplift the communities.
WHY MEDIA DID NOT GIVE IT MUCH COVERAGE-
Media likes blood, fire, violence.
The procession and gathering was well organized, and was not violent.
There was nothing exciting for them to cover or report.
The media was also advised by administration to keep away and not report on the large gathering. This would give the Delhi and Indian public of how serious the matter was.
ANALYSIS
The lack of violence, and the excellent discipline shown by the Jats was very commendable.
This will go along way to win over the Indian public, and ultimately the administration, and the politicians.
The goal had been achieved - to deliver the message to the highest levels in Indian politics, and get their focus and attention.
Sonia Gandhi had a meting with Mr. Hooda, CM of Haryana on this issue.
The message has also been conveyed to the lower functionaries, ministers etc, that something must be done, and done now.
FUTURE:
Following the meeting of the government and Mr. Yashpal Malik and other leaders, the government had 30 days from Feb 8, 2010...
If the demands are not met, the agitation will continue.
It should be kept in mind that the goal is to uplift the community and address past wrongs done to the community by the central and state governments, which has caused the standard of living to decline, by in effect stealing the resources that belonged to the community – land grabbing , lack of fair prices, lack of educational, health facilities etc.
Ravi Chaudhary
PS
A note for members.
When you post on the Jat land site, please keep in mind that the Jatland site is now prime source of information for those who wish to follow trends of thinking in the Jat community.
When you post on such topics, which are serious topics, please keep in mind that you an ambassador to the world, and post in a mature manner..
Reports are now coming through about the bid demonstration in Delhi by the Jats seeking reservation at the Central Government level, (that would include the State level).
The rally was by all means a resounding success. - Over 60,000 persons attended.
This despite little or no promotion and none of the major Jat leaders taking part. This was a grass root movement.
The demonstration was peaceful, at least from the side of the demonstrators.
Unfortunately the police, under orders from the local administration chose to use a Lathi charge and also fire tear gas.
One of the aims of the demonstrators was to deliver a petition to Sonia Gandhi and to Rahul Gandhi, who are the prime leaders of our country.
The police claimed they had instructions not to allow the demonstrators beyond a certain point, and would use a Lathi charge and tear gas. A number of people were hurt, but fortunately not very badly.
Some in the police, sought to order the police constables to start a Lathi charge on the old men present. They were warned that if they did do so, and if anyone was hurt, that person would be chased for the rest of his life justice was obtained. The person meekly withdrew to the back of the police lines, and was not seen again- the bravado was gone.
Interestingly many in the police force did not want to blindly follow orders and hurt their brethren, - something one hopes did not entirely escape the attention of the administration officials.
Practically all administration officials, prefer to have their orders carried out by others and do not wish to come in front.
At one point a government official approached the demonstrators and proposed that a meeting with a central govt minister would be organized, and the petition would be delivered to Sonia Gandhi.
This being achieved the rally was called off, the demonstrators disbursed to their homes.
A meeting was held with Mukul Wasnik, a Central Government Minister, Minister of Social Justice and Empowerment. Mr. Mukul Wasnik met with Mr. Malik and other leaders.
The Minister indicated that the govt was willing to give reservation to UP Jats, but that it would take time.
To this Mr. Malik ( who is from UP) relied that reservation would have be for all Jats no matter what state they came from- the divide and rule policy would not be tolerated.
Asked for a time line, The Minster dilly dallied.
A time line was given to the Central Govt through this minister, - 30 days to issue the order, or the agitation would resume.
The rally was very successful not just because of numbers , but because in that for the 1st time, since the times of Sir Chotu Ram , The great Jat leader of the 1930’s, and 1940s, Sikh Jats and Muslim Jats were also present, and all Jats were united at this gathering.
Sikh Jat and Muslim Jat leaders also addressed the meeting, and were in the vanguard of the procession.
It should also be kept in mind that Jats, Sikh, and Hindu. Muslims are over 60 million strong in north India. When we take our brethren into account- Gujars, Ahirs etc the figure is over 100 million.
That is a powerful force, and united it can accomplish much – the goal being to uplift the communities.
WHY MEDIA DID NOT GIVE IT MUCH COVERAGE-
Media likes blood, fire, violence.
The procession and gathering was well organized, and was not violent.
There was nothing exciting for them to cover or report.
The media was also advised by administration to keep away and not report on the large gathering. This would give the Delhi and Indian public of how serious the matter was.
ANALYSIS
The lack of violence, and the excellent discipline shown by the Jats was very commendable.
This will go along way to win over the Indian public, and ultimately the administration, and the politicians.
The goal had been achieved - to deliver the message to the highest levels in Indian politics, and get their focus and attention.
Sonia Gandhi had a meting with Mr. Hooda, CM of Haryana on this issue.
The message has also been conveyed to the lower functionaries, ministers etc, that something must be done, and done now.
FUTURE:
Following the meeting of the government and Mr. Yashpal Malik and other leaders, the government had 30 days from Feb 8, 2010...
If the demands are not met, the agitation will continue.
It should be kept in mind that the goal is to uplift the community and address past wrongs done to the community by the central and state governments, which has caused the standard of living to decline, by in effect stealing the resources that belonged to the community – land grabbing , lack of fair prices, lack of educational, health facilities etc.
Ravi Chaudhary
PS
A note for members.
When you post on the Jat land site, please keep in mind that the Jatland site is now prime source of information for those who wish to follow trends of thinking in the Jat community.
When you post on such topics, which are serious topics, please keep in mind that you an ambassador to the world, and post in a mature manner..
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Thanks Ravi for sharing the detailed information.
A point on the support of political parties. I believe that the leadership of this agitation should make it clear to all political parties specially Jat parties like INLD, HVP, RLd, that they are either with this cause or they are not. The ones who are not should be exposed so that public can decide in next elections whether to support these parties or not. When it comes to a big cause like reservation, farming or creation of Harit Pardesh, the tactics of these political parties to play politics should not be tolerated. They cant just remain neutral, they need to back with full vigour or they should make it clear that they are not in favor of this cause for so and so reasons. Can't have it both ways.
A point on the support of political parties. I believe that the leadership of this agitation should make it clear to all political parties specially Jat parties like INLD, HVP, RLd, that they are either with this cause or they are not. The ones who are not should be exposed so that public can decide in next elections whether to support these parties or not. When it comes to a big cause like reservation, farming or creation of Harit Pardesh, the tactics of these political parties to play politics should not be tolerated. They cant just remain neutral, they need to back with full vigour or they should make it clear that they are not in favor of this cause for so and so reasons. Can't have it both ways.
piush_tomar
New member
Dear Ravi,
Above speech is not of Delhi Rally..this is from Meerut where 5 lac Jat gathered.We will soon upload video of Delhi rally.
upendersingh
New member
Even Dara Singh is for reservation for Jats:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFxmkdVy6OE&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFxmkdVy6OE&feature=fvw
upendersingh
New member
Thank you Yudhvir Mor for these datas. I always wanted to know as to how many Jats are in Rajasthan in comparison with the Rajputs (Thakurs). It is very pleasant to know that Jats are almost equivalent to Rajputs in Rajasthan. Jats should try hard to popularise Rajasthan a Jatland too.
pradeepiisc
New member
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Brahmins were first who enjoyed Reservation in India (but one may say that it was in pre- independence era), at that time they demanded reservation only for themselves (not for all Indians) against Britishers and got it, enjoyed it for years!! Brahmins were first to get reservation still some people think they are the most respected people in India!!, may be this perception is because how we are taught in our schools or college or in a broader sense how we are brought up. After independence all the plum post in govt. or pvt sectors were with them, even today forget about Jats just tell me how many CEO, MD , Entrepreneurs are Non –Brahmins, Baniyas in any govt or pvt sector. Their population is not more than 15% however they have maximum controlled over pvt or govt sector. Let me give an example here, in 2007 a survey was done by a student organization in JNU Delhi and they found that nearly 70% faculty were Brahmins. One need not to believe in my data here just go to any dept homepage of JNU and find out the truth!! This is condition in all the premiere institutes in India. How it can be possible that rest 85% of the population doesn’t have even 50% share in these institutes!! one more example, I read in book by Prof. D. C. Verma that once Sir Chotu Ram changed his ministry just because he wanted someone to have a govt. job in that dept.,( i am not cent percent sure about this point but one thing I am sure that he was forced to take very strong step) now one can imagined how difficult it was for an ordinary man ( irrespective of his/her talent) to get a job in a system completed monopolised by these peoples (Brahimins an d Baniya).
Brahmins were first who enjoyed Reservation in India (but one may say that it was in pre- independence era), at that time they demanded reservation only for themselves (not for all Indians) against Britishers and got it, enjoyed it for years!! Brahmins were first to get reservation still some people think they are the most respected people in India!!, may be this perception is because how we are taught in our schools or college or in a broader sense how we are brought up. After independence all the plum post in govt. or pvt sectors were with them, even today forget about Jats just tell me how many CEO, MD , Entrepreneurs are Non –Brahmins, Baniyas in any govt or pvt sector. Their population is not more than 15% however they have maximum controlled over pvt or govt sector. Let me give an example here, in 2007 a survey was done by a student organization in JNU Delhi and they found that nearly 70% faculty were Brahmins. One need not to believe in my data here just go to any dept homepage of JNU and find out the truth!! This is condition in all the premiere institutes in India. How it can be possible that rest 85% of the population doesn’t have even 50% share in these institutes!! one more example, I read in book by Prof. D. C. Verma that once Sir Chotu Ram changed his ministry just because he wanted someone to have a govt. job in that dept.,( i am not cent percent sure about this point but one thing I am sure that he was forced to take very strong step) now one can imagined how difficult it was for an ordinary man ( irrespective of his/her talent) to get a job in a system completed monopolised by these peoples (Brahimins an d Baniya).
piush_tomar
New member
Hi All,
Overwhelming responses of this topic “ AARAKSHAN KO….”. in just few days all of you shared your view in support and against of this genuine demand. I am grateful to be a member of Jatland.com and this is the one website which gives every Jat a great platform to share his and her views.
Thanks again,
Regards,
Overwhelming responses of this topic “ AARAKSHAN KO….”. in just few days all of you shared your view in support and against of this genuine demand. I am grateful to be a member of Jatland.com and this is the one website which gives every Jat a great platform to share his and her views.
Thanks again,
Regards,
Haanji Dara Singh Sahab ko reservation ki Zarurat hai Now He is not 1969-83 world champion
Jab hum bachpan mein kahte the TU KYA DARA SINGH HAI JO MUJHE MAAR DEGAA...........
Hope that DARA SINGH dont need any reservation
.......................Reservation for no one...................
.......................Reservation for no one...................
there shoule not be any kind of reservation for any one wheather it is SC, ST or OBC. current reservation policy should also be withdrawn. reservation should be for only for peoples whose finance condition is not good and it should not be caste based system.
we are jaat but firstly we are indian and before thinking about our community we should think about our country which is INDIA(HINDUSTAN). reservation is not the key of success. after getting reservation we can uplift our community only not our country.
agar koi movement karna hi hai to reservation ke against karo yaar. kya rakhha hai in baton main.
ab Andhrapradesh govt. ne bhi muslims ke liye 10% reservation de diya. and on 13/02/10 a meeting was organised in sultanpur distt. of UP under the influence of MP shahbuddin. he was asking for 9% reservation for muslims only in existing 27% reservation for SC.
bhaiyo jaats are talented enough to break any kind of exam wheather it is for IIM, IIT, IAS or any other.............
ek movement to reservation ke liye ho gaya, ab ek movement reservation ke against aur ho jaye to sach main maja aa jaye aur han main us rally ka part jarur banunga...... aur socho agar hamari jaat community ye initiation legi to kya message jayega duniya main hamari community ke bare main. bhai reservation ki baat kamjor aur anpadh log karte hain.
I'm from UP and jaats falls under OBC category within state but I never availed any kind of reservation. I've OBC sertificate but I never used it.
ho sakta hai kisi ko mere vichar galat lage bt i strongly support my openion n thaughts abt reservation......
be a jaat man..............................
.......................Reservation for no one...................
there shoule not be any kind of reservation for any one wheather it is SC, ST or OBC. current reservation policy should also be withdrawn. reservation should be for only for peoples whose finance condition is not good and it should not be caste based system.
we are jaat but firstly we are indian and before thinking about our community we should think about our country which is INDIA(HINDUSTAN). reservation is not the key of success. after getting reservation we can uplift our community only not our country.
agar koi movement karna hi hai to reservation ke against karo yaar. kya rakhha hai in baton main.
ab Andhrapradesh govt. ne bhi muslims ke liye 10% reservation de diya. and on 13/02/10 a meeting was organised in sultanpur distt. of UP under the influence of MP shahbuddin. he was asking for 9% reservation for muslims only in existing 27% reservation for SC.
bhaiyo jaats are talented enough to break any kind of exam wheather it is for IIM, IIT, IAS or any other.............
ek movement to reservation ke liye ho gaya, ab ek movement reservation ke against aur ho jaye to sach main maja aa jaye aur han main us rally ka part jarur banunga...... aur socho agar hamari jaat community ye initiation legi to kya message jayega duniya main hamari community ke bare main. bhai reservation ki baat kamjor aur anpadh log karte hain.
I'm from UP and jaats falls under OBC category within state but I never availed any kind of reservation. I've OBC sertificate but I never used it.
ho sakta hai kisi ko mere vichar galat lage bt i strongly support my openion n thaughts abt reservation......
be a jaat man..............................
rajkphogat
Banned
Bhai kya sola aane sach baat kahi hai (haans haans ki pet paatgya)
Mere dil ki baat keh di kati.
Tabhi mai kahu Jaatan k balak boarad me top kyoo na kartey unkey roll numbra aagey caste likh dewtey hongey, er bhaman baniye master jaan buj ki fail kartey hongey baalkan ney. or they must hav two std. of checking One for jaats & another for non jaats.
& that's why around 90% (or say 95%) of CA,CS & ICWA are baniya bhaman & punjabis.
Fer te reservation jaurur hona chahiye er ye bhi reseverve hona chahiye ki jataan k balkan k paper sirf OBC reserved jaat hi check karengey.
Aur ek jaat ki company/ministry me sirf jaat hi naukri karengey.etc etc............
rajkphogat
Banned
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ek movement to reservation ke liye ho gaya, ab ek movement reservation ke against aur ho jaye to sach main maja aa jaye aur han
Aadi baki te thik se par
INDIA (HINDUSTAN)
is defenition ki k jarut lagi rey tanney
ek movement to reservation ke liye ho gaya, ab ek movement reservation ke against aur ho jaye to sach main maja aa jaye aur han
Aadi baki te thik se par
INDIA (HINDUSTAN)
is defenition ki k jarut lagi rey tanney
piush_tomar
New member
u dont need to use ur JAT OBC "SERTIFICATE" 
u dont need to use ur JAT OBC "SERTIFICATE"
yes sir I really don't need to use it.
aur main aapki opinion ko galat nahin bata raha hun. agar present reservation system hi chalta hai to definately jaats should have reservation.
main to bas ye kehna chahta hun ki reservation sabke liye khatam hona chahiye............
sir reservation system hmare desh ko khokhla kar raha hai................