Burning point about Nehru Family

[scotlandjat]

So we have an agreement that sikhs served the British and killed off their own country people in gadar of 1857 and thereafter.
And you acknowledge that if it was not for their help the gadar of 1857 might have succeeded?
Compare those deeds to Gandhi's few mistakes.

Then we can also talk about the sikh insurgency in 1980's and early 1990's.
What were the causes of that?

what did bose do? joined the japs and nazis and like someone has posted here they served as porters under the japs.

Gandhi atleast united the people and considering the division amongst the Indians at that time, his non-violent strategy of confronting the british was the most appropriate.

Can you come up with something better?

So are you trying to say that only JAT Sikhs worked for the British Raj??? ok fair enough if that is what you think. Each to their own. LOLZ.

You still havent given an answer to why Ghandi wrote a letter of Apology to the British Raj.

As for Netaji joining the Japs and Nazis whats that got to do with Him DEFEATING Ghandi in a landslide victory in a Congress leadership election??? The only reason why Ghandi didn't want Netaji to be leader is because Ghandi was Power hungry and selfish.

As for Ghandi few mistakes what about Pakistan??? LOLZ.

 

[rkumar]

........In 1940, a Sikh by the name of Udham Singh travelled to England and assassinated Sir Michael O Dwyer. O Dwyer was the man who gave the go-ahead for the firing of innocents in the massacre of Jallianwala Bagh in Amritsar, Punjab back in 1919. This brutal attack took place on Vasakhi - a religious day for the Sikhs, and a state-wide holiday for all Punjabis. Upto a thousand men, women and children were gunned down in cold blood.
Udham Singh waited twenty years to exact revenge for this terrible scar. After having assassinated O Dwyer, what did Gandhi do? Gandhi wrote a letter of apology to the British!!! Wah letter of Apology he might aswell had kissed their arses in public. LOLZ.

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Could you please give some details and any refernce/ weblink to this letter ? I am really keen to read the contents of this letter.

RK^2

 

[dahiyarules]

You know guys, very honestly, I LOVE THE GANDHI-NEHRU DEBATES. And i also love the BJP-VHP-RSS debates. Fianlly people are coming to the awakeing fo the fact that our country's been screwed over bad, by our former leaders.

First of all, the website doesnt seem to be thecreation of a Desi, as "Gandhi" has been spelt wrongly several time. Thats not possible with a Desi, because, Gandhi-Nehru are the first words we learn in our schools, thanks to state-board controlled education.

Gandhi was a great guy. Even though am ideologically different from him, I strongly stand along with him on moral and ethical issues. As for the Nehrus and the fake Gandhis (Indira and her siblings), they lived in humongous villas, travelled first class internationally, studied overseas, and have shahi- shauks. Just the other day I read about how Rahul Gandhi likes to speak bike n' all. So I hardly see a connection between the fake-gandhis and Tau Ganshyam from Deehgal.

Get real guys, the nehru-gandhis have just ruled over us for all these years. Whatever we did, or whatever we have today, its just becuase of our hard work. So stop edyfying these jokers.

 

[haryanajat]

So are you trying to say that only JAT Sikhs worked for the British Raj??? ok fair enough if that is what you think. Each to their own. LOLZ.

You still havent given an answer to why Ghandi wrote a letter of Apology to the British Raj.

As for Netaji joining the Japs and Nazis whats that got to do with Him DEFEATING Ghandi in a landslide victory in a Congress leadership election??? The only reason why Ghandi didn't want Netaji to be leader is because Ghandi was Power hungry and selfish.

As for Ghandi few mistakes what about Pakistan??? LOLZ.

First of all it is Gandhi not the incorrect British spelling Ghandi. Secondly the Sikhs along with the Gurkhas played a big role in 1857. If it was not for these 2 , India might have been independent in 1857. That's a loss of 90 years.
Then Gandhi was correct. Bose had militiarlistic views. Considering how divided Indians were, besides being a unarmed and peace loving people, Gandhi's non-violence strategy was the best option.
Gandhi died with few possessions, none of his kiths and kins occupied any important posts in the government. We don't have a Mahatma Gandhi dynasty ruling over India like you incorrectly mentioned.

 

[scotlandjat]

First of all it is Gandhi not the incorrect British spelling Ghandi. Secondly the Sikhs along with the Gurkhas played a big role in 1857. If it was not for these 2 , India might have been independent in 1857. That's a loss of 90 years.
Then Gandhi was correct. Bose had militiarlistic views. Considering how divided Indians were, besides being a unarmed and peace loving people, Gandhi's non-violence strategy was the best option.
Gandhi died with few possessions, none of his kiths and kins occupied any important posts in the government. We don't have a Mahatma Gandhi dynasty ruling over India like you incorrectly mentioned.

Ghandi is how we British JATS spell it so what are you going to do about it??? Bendover???? LOLLZZZZZZ.

Anyway to my point.

Your argument is based upon the 1857 Revolt against the British Raj and i have noticed how you keep mentioning that The JAT/Sikhs and Gurkhas did this and did that. LMAO.

The 1857 Revolt has NOTHING to do with India' Indapendance it was a Muslim revolt against the British Raj.

You still aint managed to answer why your precious Ghanda wrote a letter of Apology to the British Raj.................

Anyway it was your own PM that said the British did alot good for India, i rest my case.

 

[haryanajat]

Ghandi is how we British JATS spell it so what are you going to do about it??? Bendover???? LOLLZZZZZZ.

Anyway to my point.

Your argument is based upon the 1857 Revolt against the British Raj and i have noticed how you keep mentioning that The JAT/Sikhs and Gurkhas did this and did that. LMAO.

The 1857 Revolt has NOTHING to do with India' Indapendance it was a Muslim revolt against the British Raj.

You still aint managed to answer why your precious Ghanda wrote a letter of Apology to the British Raj.................

Anyway it was your own PM that said the British did alot good for India, i rest my case.

Could you give all of us the link/reference to where you are getting this information that Gandhi wrote a letter of apology to the british?
I am begining to have doubts about you. First you confuse Mahtama Gandhi with Nehru parivaaar. Secondly, you have incorrect ideas about 1857. Hindus and muslims equally participated in 1857.
What about the 1980's and early 1990's when the sikh insurgents did plenty of bomb blasts in punjab, haryana, delhi and elsewhere?
No wonder you spell Gandhi like a britisher would.

 

[scotlandjat]

Could you give all of us the link/reference to where you are getting this information that Gandhi wrote a letter of apology to the british?
I am begining to have doubts about you. First you confuse Mahtama Gandhi with Nehru parivaaar. Secondly, you have incorrect ideas about 1857. Hindus and muslims equally participated in 1857.
What about the 1980's and early 1990's when the sikh insurgents did plenty of bomb blasts in punjab, haryana, delhi and elsewhere?
No wonder you spell Gandhi like a britisher would.

I spell Ghandi cause am JAT British born n bred i rest my case. Anything else son???

I honestly couldnt resist laughing my arse off reading your pathetic comment and i quote " What about the 1980's and early 1990's when the sikh insurgents did plenty of bomb blasts in punjab, haryana, delhi and elsewhere? " Correct me if i am wrong or not BUT was it not the Brar Sikh JATS who stopped the Khalistani movement??? and what has this got to do with 1857???

If your argument is that the 1857 revolt was to give the whole of ' India ' Indapendance then explain your FREINDLY NEIGHBOUR PAKISTAN......

Hell when Hindus and Sikhs were coming across in the truck and train loads into India was it not your precious Ghanda that told them to go back and die peacefully??? Oh yeh but that wasnt Ghandi that was another Ghandi who just happend to look like Ghandi and talk like Ghandi. LOLZ.

 

[haryanajat]

I spell Ghandi cause am JAT British born n bred i rest my case. Anything else son???

I honestly couldnt resist laughing my arse off reading your pathetic comment and i quote " What about the 1980's and early 1990's when the sikh insurgents did plenty of bomb blasts in punjab, haryana, delhi and elsewhere? " Correct me if i am wrong or not BUT was it not the Brar Sikh JATS who stopped the Khalistani movement??? and what has this got to do with 1857???

If your argument is that the 1857 revolt was to give the whole of ' India ' Indapendance then explain your FREINDLY NEIGHBOUR PAKISTAN......

Hell when Hindus and Sikhs were coming across in the truck and train loads into India was it not your precious Ghanda that told them to go back and die peacefully??? Oh yeh but that wasnt Ghandi that was another Ghandi who just happend to look like Ghandi and talk like Ghandi. LOLZ.

Actually you sound pathetic. No wonder being british born you have little knowledge about India. All you know is what some of your friends told you or by reading on net.
Next it was KPS GILL who put an end to sikh terrorism(that's correct they were terrorists). I don't agree with the ways he did that though.
Kindly provide proper documentation to support your pathetic allegations about Gandhi's mistakes or whatever you call them.

 

[shailendra]

...Weird direction!

The discussions (or the arguments actually) are quite interesting to read I must say. But really both of you seem to be going off on a tangent a lot of times.
First off this should not be a discussion about Hindu-Muslims (and imagine now surprisingly even the Sikhs!)… Please don’t make this sound like some fanatical blubbering and frothing of the mouth, cause this site is hardly so!

The 1857 uprising was more of a revolt (sparked less by nation frevor but rather more as a revolt against the British handling of the Hindu soldiers that had themselves drafted into the Army in the very first place and really the Sikhs or not would (and did) get crushed immediately as soon as the British realized what is going on and right away poured (literally) tons and thousands of more soldiers from the English coast into the Indian subcontinent. It was definitely a good mutiny while it lasted.

Gandhi [let’s not get anal about the spelling here guys! Spelling a name wrongly (and he by no means was or is the only Gandhi on this Earth; only reflects our ignorance and let’s not confuse ‘accent’ or how you speak out a name, with how it is actually spelled! The British did enough harm as it is calling Thakur-Tagore, Ganga-Gangees and Sipahee-Sepoy and so on…and so let’s not ape the same people that we are apparently bashing here]…Gandhi can hardly be called power hungry but more of becoming a backless person when it finally came to dealing with his own countrymen. His far sightedness apparently fell short immediately after when the independence was gained, and almost as if the purpose literally went out from him after having thrown out the British! He left the people (the congress, the leaders and the general political junta) to bicker among themselves and just excused himself totally away from it all when really the real crunch of a real leader of men should have been to ensure that the country (which was suddenly visionless) is lead in the right direction!

 

[haryanajat]

The discussions (or the arguments actually) are quite interesting to read I must say. But really both of you seem to be going off on a tangent a lot of times.
First off this should not be a discussion about Hindu-Muslims (and imagine now surprisingly even the Sikhs!)… Please don’t make this sound like some fanatical blubbering and frothing of the mouth, cause this site is hardly so!

The 1857 uprising was more of a revolt (sparked less by nation frevor but rather more as a revolt against the British handling of the Hindu soldiers that had themselves drafted into the Army in the very first place and really the Sikhs or not would (and did) get crushed immediately as soon as the British realized what is going on and right away poured (literally) tons and thousands of more soldiers from the English coast into the Indian subcontinent. It was definitely a good mutiny while it lasted.

Gandhi [let’s not get anal about the spelling here guys! Spelling a name wrongly (and he by no means was or is the only Gandhi on this Earth; only reflects our ignorance and let’s not confuse ‘accent’ or how you speak out a name, with how it is actually spelled! The British did enough harm as it is calling Thakur-Tagore, Ganga-Gangees and Sipahee-Sepoy and so on…and so let’s not ape the same people that we are apparently bashing here]…Gandhi can hardly be called power hungry but more of becoming a backless person when it finally came to dealing with his own countrymen. His far sightedness apparently fell short immediately after when the independence was gained, and almost as if the purpose literally went out from him after having thrown out the British! He left the people (the congress, the leaders and the general political junta) to bicker among themselves and just excused himself totally away from it all when really the real crunch of a real leader of men should have been to ensure that the country (which was suddenly visionless) is lead in the right direction!

First it is probably an Indian Habit to expect too much and ask miracles from a leader. And if they make 1 or 2 little mistakes that person is seen as a villian.
How did Gandhi leave people to bicker among themselves? He was in calcutta trying to prevent hindus and muslims from fighting.
Let us look into our faults first.
He has not yet provided any sort of documentation to back up his allegations. Then he comes back and types up another allegation without providing any documentation.

 

[shailendra]

First it is probably an Indian Habit to expect too much and ask miracles from a leader. And if they make 1 or 2 little mistakes that person is seen as a villian.
How did Gandhi leave people to bicker among themselves? He was in calcutta trying to prevent hindus and muslims from fighting.
Let us look into our faults first.
He has not yet provided any sort of documentation to back up his allegations. Then he comes back and types up another allegation without providing any documentation.

The last post was by me Jeetendra, not Harjivan...and secondly; a Nation divided is not a '1 or 2 little mistakes'!!! [and I am sure we all are absolutely delighted to Know that he was in Calcutta seperating the mob after all (while apparently according to you; the whole partition, bickering by other leaders and the handover of powers etc.) happened right behind his very back!]

And really, If you too think and agree that he was not someone to expect miracles from then maybe you should quite end harping on his toot altogther...cause if that is the case and that is exactly what we are saying on these 'Gandhi' debates here (and now apparently you too agree with us ) he was not such a 'miracle maker' by a long stretch anyways and so therefore maybe it's time to stop worshipping him as such a 'Mahatma'!!! Period!

[...and would you please take it easy and stop chirping,'Gimme a documentation, gimme a documentation', every time someone says something!?! It is a discussion blog for pete's sake, not a Supreme court of law proceedings!!! ]

 

[raj2rif]

First it is probably an Indian Habit to expect too much and ask miracles from a leader. And if they make 1 or 2 little mistakes that person is seen as a villian.
How did Gandhi leave people to bicker among themselves? He was in calcutta trying to prevent hindus and muslims from fighting.
Let us look into our faults first.
He has not yet provided any sort of documentation to back up his allegations. Then he comes back and types up another allegation without providing any documentation.

I am amazed to read the way this discussion has gone so far. There are two issues apprantly, that people seems to be ignorant about.

The first issue is about the soldiering itself. Most soldiers serve their nation, and take oath to protect it. Who is governing it really does not matter. I have never been a congress supporter, but most of the time, I had been in the military the nation was ruled by the congress party. So for a soldier it really does not matter. A task is given to his regiment and for the honor of his regiment he gives his life or takes the life of some one who is fighting against his regiment. A murderer and a soldier are both involved in killing of another human being, while one is considered the crime the other is considered the noble cause. So, if any one is arguing that the soldiers in British army fought against their own countrymen is purely ignorant about the profession of soldiering.

Now comes the question of Gandhi. There is no doubt that he was one of the greatest leader of his time and many of us would fall much short of his imagination leave aside criticizing him. What he did was not ordinary work, but that does not mean he did not make mistakes. He did make some mistakes and some of them costly one, but that does not dimnishes his good work.

What Mr. Shailendra Hooda has written has a lot of merit. Probably we did not plan what to do after independence? Our planning ended at the stroke of British leaving India. Why Gandhi, Nehru and Patel who were at the helm of affairs were found wanting to control the massacre that followed the partition. It is very easy for us to criticize these people today, but imagine taking decisions at that level, when you don't know the outcome of your decisions. It is purely because of this reason, the decision making is the most difficult skill and that is why decision makers are paid maximum.

Gandhi Ji probably could never take defeat easily. It was probably this quality of his character which drove him to do what he did. His defeat in Congress election against Subhash Bose and his reactions after that showed his character. If one evaluates the decision of Subhash Bose took to ensure Gandhi remained in the congress, he stands taller than Mr. Gandhi. For even in victory he thought probably Gandhi's association with the congress was must for the national movement to continue. Both Mr Bose and Mr. Gandhi were two different personalities and both contributed to the freedom of our nation. We can't ignore that and can't condemn any one for a few mistakes they made.

I remember a case in my own regiment. We had a Subedar (Jat by the way) who was found wanting when posted to a very difficult area. With 27 years of distinguished service and an excellent record, my Commanding officer asked my opinion whether or not that person be recommended for honorary commission. I had seen that Subedar right from the days when he was I think a Lance Naik. The Battalion always looked upto him when ever we had a firing competition and he never disappointed the Battalion. The short coming in his attitued/character that came to light toward the end of his career was grave. But then I thought that the soldier in question was never tested on such grounds during his formative years. To expect a miracle from him at this time was probably asking for too much. Secondly, the expectations were high from him as always. I simply asked the CO one question, whether the single act of weakness should be the reason for ignoring his service par excellence for 27 years? Both me and the CO decided that the soldier be given his due and he did get his honorary commission.

Why I am mentioning this incident here is that we all make mistakes and some time the grave one. But should that be the sole reason for us to ignore the good work done by the people?

 

[haryanajat]

The last post was by me Jeetendra, not Harjivan...and secondly; a Nation divided is not a '1 or 2 little mistakes'!!! [and I am sure we all are absolutely delighted to Know that he was in Calcutta seperating the mob after all (while apparently according to you; the whole partition, bickering by other leaders and the handover of powers etc.) happened right behind his very back!]

And really, If you too think and agree that he was not someone to expect miracles from then maybe you should quite end harping on his toot altogther...cause if that is the case and that is exactly what we are saying on these 'Gandhi' debates here (and now apparently you too agree with us ) he was not such a 'miracle maker' by a long stretch anyways and so therefore maybe it's time to stop worshipping him as such a 'Mahatma'!!! Period!

[...and would you please take it easy and stop chirping,'Gimme a documentation, gimme a documentation', every time someone says something!?! It is a discussion blog for pete's sake, not a Supreme court of law proceedings!!! ]

I knew it was you but I was also replying to him.
Mahlee Sahab admitted that Gandhi had the ability to move massess.
Give me name of 1 Indian leader who had the capabilities to do that?
India is approximately the size of western Europe. Someone like Gandhi comes up and unites the people of this vast land - is that a small deal? I think that's a miracle.
Gandhi ke palle bandh doo haar problem?
Make him a scapegoat?
Why blame Gandhi for partition?
why not Jinnah? or Iqbal or someone else?
I am all for a separate nation for muslims. I think their religion is just not compatible with native Indian religions. En ko ek country bhi mila phir bhi halla macahate haeen aaur do auur do. They want to rule over the kaffirs.
How many democratic muslim countries are there? Turkey? Indonesia? Malaysia? And they are not democracies in the real sense either.
Like Rajender uncle said, Mr. Mahlee needs to provide references for his allegations. But he has not done it so far. He would have if he had something but apparently all he can do is harp about Gandhi ne yeey kiya gandhi nee wooh kiya, Gandhi aisa tha, Gandhi waisa tha...

 

[haryanajat]

The first issue is about the soldiering itself. Most soldiers serve their nation, and take oath to protect it. Who is governing it really does not matter. I have never been a congress supporter, but most of the time, I had been in the military the nation was ruled by the congress party. So for a soldier it really does not matter. A task is given to his regiment and for the honor of his regiment he gives his life or takes the life of some one who is fighting against his regiment. A murderer and a soldier are both involved in killing of another human being, while one is considered the crime the other is considered the noble cause. So, if any one is arguing that the soldiers in British army fought against their own countrymen is purely ignorant about the profession of soldiering.

I don't agree with you here, Sir. After the second anglo-sikh war of 1848, Sikhs began in large numbers to join the army of East India company. They were used heavily at critical time during the seige of delhi in the revolt of 1857. This is very similiar to say a Briton joining hands with the Romans, or an american soldier working for the British during the revolutionary war. Any soldier who works for a colonizer and shoots at his own people is a traitor.
I wonder how come 50,000 englishmen ruled over 300 million Indians?
I think native troops played a big part in that.
(just for fun- suppose all 300 million Indians had spit at the same time on the tiny island of Britian, it would have drowned )

 

[mukeshkumar007]

I wonder how come 50,000 englishmen ruled over 300 million Indians?

Ghar Ka Bhedi Lank Dhawe....

 

[gaganjat]

I have just checked that ' Nehru family chart'
There are hundreds of lines going here and there, attaching someone to something. I got the picture but what a confusion.LOL

 

[jitendershooda]

"Gandhi ke palle bandh doo haar problem?
Make him a scapegoat?
Why blame Gandhi for partition?
why not Jinnah? or Iqbal or someone else? "

Jitender bhai "Gandhi ji ke bandh do haar problem" .... whatever one did wrong will always be pointed to ....

1) His behaviour at the time of fansi to bhagat singh,rajguru and sukhdev ?

2) Gandhi ne Subhash ji se haar karne ke baad 30's mein jo behaviour kiya was that right ... ?

3) After Independence why he favoured Nehru though the Patel ji was in majority... ?

bhai mein is baat mein gaam aale ko favour karta hun

so therefore maybe it's time to stop worshipping him as such a 'Mahatma'!!! Period!

that we should stop worshipping him and stop telling such songs to our new generation that " De di hume ajadi bina khadag bina dhal ....."

He had his contribution in our fight for independence.

SARA BURAI KA TOKRA AGAR UNKE SIR NAHI RAKHNA TO THEEK HAI PAR SARA JEET KA SEHRA BHI TO MAT BANDHO .....BACCHA JAB SE SCHOOL MEIN JANA SURU KARTA HAI USKI KITABON PAR

PAHELE PAGE PAR GANDHI , DOOSRE PER BACHON KE PYARE NEHRU ....AUR AB INDIRA KI PHOTO BHI AANI SURU HO GAE THI ...

SWAMI RAMDEV ...JO YOGA SIKHATE HEIN NE PICHLE SAAL 2 OCT KO EK BAHUT SAHI BAAT KAHI THI ....


" KI AAJ TAK AAPNE KABHI SOCHA HAI IS DESH MEIN AISA KUN HOTA HAI KI JIS RASSE SE GANDHI KI BAKRI BANDHA KARTI THI WO AAPKO AAJ BHI UNKE MUSEUM MEIN MIL JAEGI PAR WO FANSI KA FANDA KAHIN NAHI MILEGA JISSE BHAGAT SINGH , RAJGURU AND SUKHDEV KO FANSI DEE GAEE THI ... "


Can you tell why the court proceedings of Nathu ram godsse never opened for public or media .... bhai ye desh fully democratic country hai to aisa kun hai ki ek marte hue aadmi ki baat to sabhi ko pata chalne dete taki log khud faisla kar saken ki usne aisa kun kiya ?????

 

[haryanajat]

"Gandhi ke palle bandh doo haar problem?
Make him a scapegoat?
Why blame Gandhi for partition?
why not Jinnah? or Iqbal or someone else? "

Jitender bhai "Gandhi ji ke bandh do haar problem" .... whatever one did wrong will always be pointed to ....

1) His behaviour at the time of fansi to bhagat singh,rajguru and sukhdev ?

2) Gandhi ne Subhash ji se haar karne ke baad 30's mein jo behaviour kiya was that right ... ?

3) After Independence why he favoured Nehru though the Patel ji was in majority... ?

bhai mein is baat mein gaam aale ko favour karta hun



that we should stop worshipping him and stop telling such songs to our new generation that " De di hume ajadi bina khadag bina dhal ....."

He had his contribution in our fight for independence.

SARA BURAI KA TOKRA AGAR UNKE SIR NAHI RAKHNA TO THEEK HAI PAR SARA JEET KA SEHRA BHI TO MAT BANDHO .....BACCHA JAB SE SCHOOL MEIN JANA SURU KARTA HAI USKI KITABON PAR

PAHELE PAGE PAR GANDHI , DOOSRE PER BACHON KE PYARE NEHRU ....AUR AB INDIRA KI PHOTO BHI AANI SURU HO GAE THI ...

SWAMI RAMDEV ...JO YOGA SIKHATE HEIN NE PICHLE SAAL 2 OCT KO EK BAHUT SAHI BAAT KAHI THI ....


" KI AAJ TAK AAPNE KABHI SOCHA HAI IS DESH MEIN AISA KUN HOTA HAI KI JIS RASSE SE GANDHI KI BAKRI BANDHA KARTI THI WO AAPKO AAJ BHI UNKE MUSEUM MEIN MIL JAEGI PAR WO FANSI KA FANDA KAHIN NAHI MILEGA JISSE BHAGAT SINGH , RAJGURU AND SUKHDEV KO FANSI DEE GAEE THI ... "


Can you tell why the court proceedings of Nathu ram godsse never opened for public or media .... bhai ye desh fully democratic country hai to aisa kun hai ki ek marte hue aadmi ki baat to sabhi ko pata chalne dete taki log khud faisla kar saken ki usne aisa kun kiya ?????

Gandhi philosophy was non-violence. Like I had said Bose would have taken congress in the wrong direction. He had militiaristic views. So I agree with Gandhi here.
Gandhi kee paas koi futue dekhne kee koi magic ball tho thi nahee ki usak pahle see pataa hotaa ki nehru aur uske pucheeteen aise nikalee gee?
Auur Nehru nee bhi kya buraaa kiya - 5 year plan banyee, IITs khulwayeee.
Usne bhi too kuch accha haee kiyaa hogaa? Gandhi neee Nehru kee haath too pakdeee tho the nahee ki uske marji see chalta raheee?
Who knew Rajiv will marry Sonia and she would be ruling? who knew that beforehand?
I think blame should go to our servant mentality. We should blame ourselves for allowing family raj.
I say it is very good Gandhi ko padayee jataaa hae school mein. That creates good sanskars in youth. We don't have things going on like what is happening in that terrorist state - pakistan.

 

[scotlandjat]

That is exactly my point, Ghandi did not win Indapendance for India like most Indians are brought up to beleive though i can Understand why. 55years of Congress Rule would have any common person beleive that he did.

Credit for Ghandi is that he was able to move the masses in a peaceful manner which suited the British Raj just fine. I mean the the Last thing the British Raj wanted was people rioting on the streets and causing Instabilty. To Run an Empire one must first have Stabilty and Order.

Also lets not forget World One and World Two played a much major part to the decline of the British Raj.

 

[haryanajat]

Mahlee sahab UNARMED Indians rioting in the streets would have been been very easy to control by the armed BRITISH and the NATIVE troops. Unlike America where obtaing firearm is considered as a basic right of every law abiding American, Indians did no have access to firearms. Americans only won their independence as they had ready access to firearms.
Gandhi was pretty smart guy. He understood this limitation. And in his own way united a vast country. His philosophy of non-violence was the best strategy of his time.
I wonder how so many of us who were born years later after Gandhi died can sit down and read BS on internet and criticize him so easily. What could you have done If you were in his place? Could you achieve what he achieved. Don't think so.