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soul?
Prashant and Vijay,
you both are talking about punarjanam and many other things, so I hope you can answer this question.
in your discussion You are assuming that soul exist. What is the basis of that assumption? What are the properties of the soul?
Prashant and Vijay,
you both are talking about punarjanam and many other things, so I hope you can answer this question.
in your discussion You are assuming that soul exist. What is the basis of that assumption? What are the properties of the soul?
narenderkharb
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That is a real possibility and qite feasible thinking of modern computing machines.
Very intersesting discussion by Parshant Vijay and now ARUN
Did scientist perform some experiment to know about soul?
Also what is the nature(compostion) of soul?
Prashant,
Soul is one and will be always. But the interesting thing is that we can divide our body into parts ( I think we should discuss about it later ) but not soul.
Whatever is the universe but the soul is same and unique.
We can clone our body but not the soul. The transmit procedure in Star Trek is a time machine but nothing else. People just enter into that and emerge out into another atmosphere maybe in the same universe or other depends where they want to go.
Regarding soul, the science originated from our mind and the mind is ruled by the soul.
Soul is one and will be always. But the interesting thing is that we can divide our body into parts ( I think we should discuss about it later ) but not soul.
Whatever is the universe but the soul is same and unique.
We can clone our body but not the soul. The transmit procedure in Star Trek is a time machine but nothing else. People just enter into that and emerge out into another atmosphere maybe in the same universe or other depends where they want to go.
Regarding soul, the science originated from our mind and the mind is ruled by the soul.
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Yes, Narender bhai, Soul exists and experts proved that both technically and spiritually.
Everything in this Universe consists of atoms and they behave in the manner how that they are distributed and what is there nature. Scientists just know and admit that there is something that directs our lives and that is beyond the science we know so far.
I will provide you a true example of a real incident where scintists had no clue that what is/was happening ?
I think i said so many times that science is not beyond the scope and capabilty of our mind.
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pnauhwar21
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Though there was a so called test done by a scientist in 1907 where he said that souls have a weight too but I will give you a simple proof that soul or pran exists in us:
Suppose a bullet hits you and goes past a vital organ and destroys it extensively. You might be alive for a brief time till your organ fails completely and then you will be dead when your so called soul leaves the body. Now, tell me if there is nothing called a soul or life source as part of our body, wouldn't we be just like any non-living thing which could be repairable or reusable no matter what the extent of damage was. If a organ fails, we should be able to replace it even after 100 days if there is nothing called soul. If there was no soul we would never die. We could be fixed as soon as a part becomes available just like a computer. This is the fundamental difference between a living and non-living being. We all are made up of atoms but the living beings have a life force too called soul.
As for composition of soul, it might need more time to answer that. Probably once I take vanvaas, I might get to know this on communion with God.
My perspective...
If a organ fails, we should be able to replace it even after 100 days if there is nothing called soul.
Well, if there is anything called soul, then why is it accepting an organ transplanted at one time, and rejects it later (pretty often seen in cases of transplantation)! Is the soul confused and not able to make up the mind earlier..(excuse the misplaced humor, its like OCD for me, fail to escape wit..)
Well, I do not contradict your idea of existence of soul per se, but somehow not at the same plane as yours either
pnauhwar21
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Well, if there is anything called soul, then why is it accepting an organ transplanted at one time, and rejects it later (pretty often seen in cases of transplantation)! Is the soul confused and not able to make up the mind earlier..
Its similar to a computer. If the original part fails and you replace it with a used, refurbished local part, it will run for some time and then eventually stop working. Jugad doesn't work for a long time
. Finally soul will be tired of coping up with the used replaced part and search for a totally fresh new body and leave you 
Its similar to a computer. If the original part fails and you replace it with a used, refurbished local part, it will run for some time and then eventually stop working. Jugad doesn't work for a long time
Well, thats one smart arse soul, must say...
I am sure Einstien must have calculated the wave length of Soul... He must have located a part of universe where all the souls rest temporarily before entering another body... May be Time Travel Machines will be fitted with engines made out of souls as that only can sustain the strong gravitational forces of universe and souls know how to navigate all through universes..
RK^2
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sorry to divert the discussion to the physical question from the metaphysical discussion...
The flaw in the logic is that we can not exceed the speed of light, so it will take us atleast 4 yrs to get to that place. Suppose we start on jan 1, 2007. in earth time, we can not reach that place before jan 1, 2011. we get off a 4 year flight and go straight to the observation deck. what would we see ? at best we'd see jan 1 2007.
however, it is possible that the other planet folks have a deep interest in earth from times immemorial and had been recording everything happening on earth with super cams, so we would watch their film and "see" the past on earth...
narenderkharb
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sorry to divert the discussion to the physical question from the metaphysical discussion...
The flaw in the logic is that we can not exceed the speed of light, so it will take us atleast 4 yrs to get to that place. Suppose we start on jan 1, 2007. in earth time, we can not reach that place before jan 1, 2011. we get off a 4 year flight and go straight to the observation deck. what would we see ? at best we'd see jan 1 2007.
however, it is possible that the other planet folks have a deep interest in earth from times immemorial and had been recording everything happening on earth with super cams, so we would watch their film and "see" the past on earth...
Well that is a limitation today but scientist may find out new waves travelling at a faster pace than light.
Also sound energy does die down with distance .While agreeing to his point that energy can neither be created nor destroyed we overlook the fact that it can change from one form to another and sound energy is just lost in the processs.Long back I read a hindi fictonal novel on the same concept of sounds from mahabarta times with identical ideas by VP Sharma.
However Parshant ideas about dismantaling body to molecular level and than rearranging under some force(similar to star trek) in the same code is a real possibility as high computers can decode each bond type and pattern and than structure the reconstruction accordingly.That can lead to infinite clones of same person and govt.need not to spend a lot on army or if we are early starter can copy all the nuclear war heads of America
Now I was interested in Souls as when we have seen people reporting these in all eras and events like ghosts (equalant to souls)narrated by people who can't lie or have no interest in,we have to admit some thing may be there in contrast to out right denial that may be due unknown scientific factors so far.
But I have my concept that souls are mere physical forces behaving perfectly according to scientfic rules and are not something strange or devine.BIT WEIRED??
.And GOD may be if it exist ,another force field or scientific entity.I was interested to know how scientist could find out the existence of souls.As the experiment of a glass cabin is disputable.was their any other experiment.
I like the innovative and a different approach to look at things which can lead to inventions unimagined earlier.
Ps.. I took broadband for some scientific idea got stuck up in Jat history and hanging there till today.
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arunshamli
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I did not ask the physical or chemical properites of the soul. I wanted to know what can it do and what not.
BTW, any one knows where does the soul reside in the body? Does it have a specific location or it just moves all around inside the body?
....... dismantaling body to molecular level and than rearranging under some force(similar to star trek) in the same code is a real possibility as high computers can decode each bond type and pattern and than structure the reconstruction accordingly.That can lead to infinite clones of same person and govt.need not to spend a lot on army or if we are early starter can copy all the nuclear war heads of America
Now I was interested in Souls as when we have seen people reporting these in all eras and events like ghosts (equalant to souls)narrated by people who can't lie or have no interest in,we have to admit some thing may be there in contrast to out right denial that may be due unknown scientific factors so far.
But I have my concept that souls are mere physical forces behaving perfectly according to scientfic rules and are not something strange or devine.BIT WEIRED??
I was interested to know how scientist could find out the existence of souls.As the experiment of a glass cabin is disputable.was their any other experiment.
I like the innovative and a different approach to look at things which can lead to inventions unimagined earlier.
Ps.. I took broadband for some scientific idea got stuck up in Jat history and hanging there till today.
Everythings sounds great...However, the ground reality as of today is that we don't have control on even the most basic molecule called Hydrogen. Whole world is struglling to have reliable supply of Hydrogen so that we can meet our clean energy demands in most practical manner. Dismantling and the putting back all the body molecules together looks fascinating in start treck, but in reality it may take another million years to accomplish. Even if we can master the body engineering, how about that so called soul ? Can soul really exist without body? This is what Einstein had to say on the subject...
Einstein on the Soul
....On 17 July I953 a woman who was a licensed Baptist pastor sent Einstein in Princeton a warmly appreciative evangelical letter. Quoting several passages from the scriptures, she asked him whether he had considered the relationship of his immortal soul to its Creator, and asked whether he felt assurance of ever lasting life with God after death. It is not known whether a reply was sent, but the letter is in the Einstein Archives, and on it, in Einstein's hand writing, is the following sentence, written in English:
I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.
In Berlin in February 1921 Einstein received from a woman in Vienna a letter imploring him to tell her if he had formed an opinion as to whether the soul exists and with it personal, individual development after death. There were other questions of a similar sort. On 5 February 1921 Einstein answered at some length. Here in part is what he said:
The mystical trend of our time, which shows itself particularly in the rampant growth of the so-called Theosophy and Spiritualism, is for me no more than a symptom of weakness and confusion.
Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning.
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In my view Soul is nothing more than a concept and seems to serve many human objectives.
RK^2
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umm... Atma is Parmatma...
like God is everywhere in universe, Soul is also everywhere in body...
Who said it, I don't know.. but certainly not me...
RK^2
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Now the topic has shifted to Soul. Sometime few people have strange experiences, even I had few, that some of their loved ones who are now not in this world, sometime but very rarely, appears in dearms and tell something about future which indeed happens in the time to come. What is that...is that soul of that person or what. How such dreams happen which comes to be true.
Exactly. Though there is more to it, this is good enough for the problem in question.
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sorry to divert the discussion to the physical question from the metaphysical discussion...
The flaw in the logic is that we can not exceed the speed of light, so it will take us atleast 4 yrs to get to that place. Suppose we start on jan 1, 2007. in earth time, we can not reach that place before jan 1, 2011. we get off a 4 year flight and go straight to the observation deck. what would we see ? at best we'd see jan 1 2007.
however, it is possible that the other planet folks have a deep interest in earth from times immemorial and had been recording everything happening on earth with super cams, so we would watch their film and "see" the past on earth...
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Respected RK Sir,
Souls just leave a body and enter into another new body ( Infants ) and that justifies the concept of 'punarjanm'. The souls who can't have access to enter into a new body just wander here in the form what we call them ghosts and spirits.
Who is Einstein according to you RK sir, when we talk about pure technology you said that his theory is not fullproof and now we are talking about souls you are providing his quotes here.
What that means ?Please guide me in technical or spiritual manner but not in political/philosophical manner.
Regards
Vijay
sorry to divert the discussion to the physical question from the metaphysical discussion...
The flaw in the logic is that we can not exceed the speed of light, so it will take us atleast 4 yrs to get to that place. Suppose we start on jan 1, 2007. in earth time, we can not reach that place before jan 1, 2011. we get off a 4 year flight and go straight to the observation deck. what would we see ? at best we'd see jan 1 2007.
however, it is possible that the other planet folks have a deep interest in earth from times immemorial and had been recording everything happening on earth with super cams, so we would watch their film and "see" the past on earth...
Respected Nitin Sir,
First of all its not a logic that we can't exceed the speed of light but its a scientific theory and with facts more or less. But you know science always left some points open to explore.
Nobody dared to challenge Newton for years but when Einstien put forward his theory of relativity and that theory proved Newton wrong he said "Sorry .... Newton". In similar manner who know if tomorrow somebody says that "Sorry.... Einstien, you were wrong"
Regarding your thought that nobody can exceed speed of light, scienists discoverd a particle 'Tachyon' which moves faster than speed of light in vacuum.
"wormholes" which is the backbone of time travel theory can easily deny all the laws of present physics and Einstien approved that.
Please just have a look that what are wormholes and i think you will get it what i want to say here technically.
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