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shamshermalik said:
Now the topic has shifted to Soul. Sometime few people have strange experiences, even I had few, that some of their loved ones who are now not in this world, sometime but very rarely, appears in dearms and tell something about future which indeed happens in the time to come. What is that...is that soul of that person or what. How such dreams happen which comes to be true.
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Shamsher bhai,

Souls just leave a body and enter into another new body ( Infants ) and that justifies the concept of 'punarjanm'. The souls who can't have access to enter into a new body just wander here in the form what we call them ghosts and spirits.

They guide/force us into good or bad and whatever the medium, i mean dreams or something else.
 
vijay said:
Souls just leave a body and enter into another new body ( Infants ) and that justifies the concept of 'punarjanm'. The souls who can't have access to enter into a new body just wander here in the form what we call them ghosts and spirits.
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Vijay,

1. According to you a soul can do its work without a body(ghost /pret etc). If that is true then why does a soul need a body?

2. From your post I am getting the impression that a sould itself decide to find a body. Is that what you are saying? If yes then there would a fight among the souls and each would try to enter in to the body of a king/queen. and no one would like to reside in the body of animal etc.
 
arunshamli said:
Vijay,

1. According to you a soul can do its work without a body(ghost /pret etc). If that is true then why does a soul need a body?

2. From your post I am getting the impression that a sould itself decide to find a body. Is that what you are saying? If yes then there would a fight among the souls and each would try to enter in to the body of a king/queen. and no one would like to reside in the body of animal etc.
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Nahi Bhai.. Every time a soul leaves human body , it has to report back to God's office where a new digital key is issued. This digital key will fit only the assigned body.......

RK^2
 
arunshamli said:
Vijay,

1. According to you a soul can do its work without a body(ghost /pret etc). If that is true then why does a soul need a body?

2. From your post I am getting the impression that a sould itself decide to find a body. Is that what you are saying? If yes then there would a fight among the souls and each would try to enter in to the body of a king/queen. and no one would like to reside in the body of animal etc.
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Arun, you again get me wrong bhai

1. Who said that a soul can do its work without a body ? Being a ghost or spirit is their last option and believe me they are not happy with too.

2. No, a soul can't decide itself which body they have to occupy and that thing is organized by some superpower whom we call as GOD and non believer in GOD say some invisible power governing the Universe. That power decides who is going to ocupy which body which soul is not qualified for any body and hence they wander as ghosts or spirits.
 
Has anyone of you read "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Paramhansa
Yogananda ? And if so what did you think of it ?

A lot of stuff mentioned in that book is just way out there...i.e. of a
miraculous nature and just hard to believe. Yet the guy himself doesn't seem
to be a fraud. Seems rather credible. Not sure what to make of it all.
 
I started reading it few months back but gave up after few pages. That kind of stuff doesn't appeal to me. I would any day prefer psychology of mystics by rationalist (like William James) rather than personal account of a mytic himself (like Yogananda). I dont know how these people get such powers and insights and how to believe them. I don't outrightly disregard possibilty to such things but personally its hard for me to digest. I have seen people getting well after 'jhada-wada jadu-tona' etc but its hard to come to any conclusion where so many variables remain uncontrolled.

-vinod

raj_rathee said:
Has anyone of you read "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Paramhansa
Yogananda ? And if so what did you think of it ?

A lot of stuff mentioned in that book is just way out there...i.e. of a
miraculous nature and just hard to believe. Yet the guy himself doesn't seem
to be a fraud. Seems rather credible. Not sure what to make of it all.
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A Sci-Fi Critic:

"Science fiction is the search for a definition of mankind and his status in the universe which will stand in our advanced but confused state of knowledge (science), and is characteristically cast in the Gothic or post-Gothic mode"

A Sci-Fi Fan:

"Science fiction is a brand of fantasy identifiable by the fact that it eases the 'willing suspension of disbelief' on the part of its readers by utilizing an atmosphere of scientific credibility for its imaginative speculations in physical science, space, time, social science, and philosophy"
 
hmm.soul yani ki aatma to jivit shrir me bhi hoti h.kahte h sharir marta h aatma nahi marti.to mritu ke bad ya to attma agla janam le leti h yani naya sharir dhran kar leti h.par kai atrapt aatmaye marne ke bad na to naya janm lete hi na unhe moksh ya nirvan milta h vo bhoot ban ke bhatkati rahti h.
narenderkharb said:
What is the difference between a ghost and a soul?
Are they synonimous ,IF not why?
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narenderkharb said:
What is the difference between a ghost and a soul?
Are they synonimous ,IF not why?
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Narender Bhai, What Ritu said is right.

Let me explain some more.


A body is nothing without soul and soul is good for nothing without a body. When a soul leaves a body they enter into another body immediately. If they don't get access to any new body they become restless and wander as ghosts untill they get access to a new body. If a soul try to enter into another body which already is occupied by another soul, in that case the whole system of that body is destablized and that person behave unnaturally as we had seen so many cases of that type around us.
 
arunshamli said:
If a soul is nothing without the body, how can a ghost does any harm to anyone when it does not have a body either.
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I think i described that earlier.

A person can do anything by his will power and that will power is in the soul. When the soul don't have any body ( I.e ghost ) it uses its will power to do good or bad with the people. As they ( ghosts ) don't have a body to occupy and are restless they have no other option than to use their will power and i suppose you know what anybody can do with the will power.
 
rkumar said:
communication with Ghosts and devils etc. is nothing but a Psychiatric condition. Medical literature is full of such cases;
RK^2
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Rk ji

There are some problems with your explanations.

First if it was a pure medical problem it should have been treated medically but that is not the case.I have not heard a single such person treated medically till today.

Second is this strange observation in many cases when spirit tells who she or he was which many times comes out a person in some other state no way related to the patient concerned and this falcify the medical approach.

Again in indian mythology and ancient studies we find rich literature based on tantric studies based on spirits which was taught even in reputed universities like taxila and nalanda ,I wonder in ancient studies when learned people were doing all the times reasonong via tark vitark and SASTRARTH how things like Spirit could make their existence if it was all fake.

Further I don't believe that atama is some Godly thing since all these spirits can be tackled by human swamis .I was thinking It can have some scientific explanation that has not been attempted till thisday instead of discarding it outright .Can you guess about the scientific nature of this phenomenon call ghosts..

Any guess...???
 
rkumar said:
communication with Ghosts and devils etc. is nothing but a Psychiatric condition. Medical literature is full of such cases;

1. http://mental-health.blogcarnival.com/archives/2005/04/classic_case_ps.html

2. http://www.dnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061007/OPINION03/610070301/1014/OPINION

3. http://www.kumc.edu/hospital/huntingtons/behavior.html

RK^2
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RK sir,

You want me to provide you more than hundred links in reply. But i think that's not a good idea to proceed further.

What you think ? Most of the people on this planet are psycho. We observe these things everywhere but not only in India. Even White House people admits about Ghosts of Lincoln and Jimmy Carter's daughter there.

Better come with some solid statement but not only discarding the things on first hand.
 
rkumar said:
communication with Ghosts and devils etc. is nothing but a Psychiatric condition. Medical literature is full of such cases;

1. http://mental-health.blogcarnival.com/archives/2005/04/classic_case_ps.html

2. http://www.dnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061007/OPINION03/610070301/1014/OPINION

3. http://www.kumc.edu/hospital/huntingtons/behavior.html

RK^2
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There are lot of proofs that Psychiatrics are nothing but money making folks out to fool people by proving them mad. Check these links :

1) http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/anti-psychiatry.html

2) http://www.antipsychiatry.org/

3) http://www.oikos.org/antipsicen.htm

Please do read them :)
 
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ndahiya said:
The flaw in the logic is that we can not exceed the speed of light, so it will take us atleast 4 yrs to get to that place. Suppose we start on jan 1, 2007. in earth time, we can not reach that place before jan 1, 2011. we get off a 4 year flight and go straight to the observation deck. what would we see ? at best we'd see jan 1 2007.
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Who said that we will be travelling with speed of light..Thats way too slow ;) We will travel to a distant galaxy through intergalactic space/time warps or wormholes and be instantly on a star which is probably 4000 years away from earth and will see the light from earth there, zoom on it (similar to Google Maps) and voila, I will see Bhima fighting with Duryodhan..

Space/time warps may be a theory but you see so many unsolved mysteries around them that you need to open you mind and expect the unexpected. Bermuda triangle is one such place where so many disappearances have happened whether its big ships or 5 fighter planes. How come they can vanish in just thin air? What if they are wormholes there and they go through them..Wormholes are not permanent hence not all planes or ships vanish in Bermuda..though there are numerous theories on Bermuda, no one has been able to prove them with absolute authority. So, keep you backpacks ready to goto galaxies far beyond Milkyway and Andromeda, we have lot to discover yet:)
 
pnauhwar21 said:
There are lot of proofs that Psychiatrics are nothing but money making folks out to fool people by proving them mad. Check these links :

1) http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/stopchildrape.net/anti-psychiatry.html

2) http://www.antipsychiatry.org/

3) http://www.oikos.org/antipsicen.htm

Please do read them :)
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I am not sure of this, but its certainly true of ghosts and all jadu tona.. How common man has been exploited by these myths of Ghosts over centuries.. However, its all matter of belief . Anyone believing in ghosts, soul, devils etc is entitled to his free thinking.. so are people like me who think its all rubbish..

RK^2
 
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