Does God Exists??

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deepakchoudhry

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Dear Friends,

I would like hear your thoughts on this subject, participation will be greatly appreciated.

Example: Say If I were to sell you a car, without showing it you or you test driving it, would you buy it?

If not then why when it comes to religion or spirituality, we become so naive??

Why do believe everything that is told to us??

Why do believe in such a concept, which cannot be expressed, cannot be felt, is beyond our senses or intellect??:)

Why We have fear or love of something which we have no personal experience of?

And finally what if we found out everything which was told to us about religion or god was all make believe or a big lie??:D


Warm regards,

Deepak
 
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quite a good question raised deepak ji.
I feel the same. when something can't be felt or expressed and whose existence cant be proved (other than in stories), itz very difficult to accept it.
I my self don't believe in existence of god and concept of prayer.

What I feel is that this GOD concept is made just to control the human system by making them fear from a super power (GOD).
Just like it is said that if u r doing smthing wrong and if u think nobody saw u, then be aware that GOD is watching. Now this concept may work in most of the cases when a person believes in GOD so he may get scared and avoid doing some wrong act.

Note: these are my personal views and I might be wrong. Plz don't feel offended if u don't agree with me.

thanks,
narendra
 
God is present everywhere and he is present beyond these Logics/Doubts and questions about his existence:rock,,,,,,,,,
 
There is a limit to experimenting, there are many things we use/believe/buy without a SAMPLE TEST or TEST DRIVE. Can you say i'll believe in DEATH only after i die:)
 
this is generic post however i would like to reply.
let me try to answer the second question first. I would say i believe in death because i ve seen others die. So it looks OK to believe smthing if u ve experienced or smone else has experienced it :).

Now abt sample test.
First of all we use/buy things only if we need it. I dont feel any need of believing in GOD in my life. Also i dnt see any impact or diffrence in my life(not beliving in GOD) and my other friends( who believe in GOD).
Again, i agree that 'there are many things we use/believe/buy without a SAMPLE TEST or TEST DRIVE' in that case after using the thing we can come to know if it was good or bad. But in this case, even if I believe, how can I know if it really exists. Soon or later I should know what difference it makes believing in GOD and not beliving.

sunitahooda said:
There is a limit to experimenting, there are many things we use/believe/buy without a SAMPLE TEST or TEST DRIVE. Can you say i'll believe in DEATH only after i die:)
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regards,
narendra
 
I would like hear your thoughts on this subject, participation will be greatly appreciated.

It all depends on how you want to see the things and the unseeable as well. Maano to sab kuch hai na maano to kuch nhai


Example: Say If I were to sell you a car, without showing it you or you test driving it, would you buy it?

Please : Now Oranges are being compared with Apples here. Faith/belief in God and his existence may not be compared with buying a car. If the only point you want to make here is about lack of verifiable evidence. May be ! ... but again example if not apt. Probably if I know what a car is and how it should work and not bothered about color, other details of car and have faith on you that you would provide me something that can be used travel from say point A to B, I might buy that car :confused:

If not then why when it comes to religion or spirituality, we become so naive??

We are naive only by following the instructions without understanding them why they are being given and also who is giving them.

Why do believe everything that is told to us??

Because one does not live long enough to experiment and verify everything so one needs to believe some things and not all. There is a thin line between truth and the untrue and you need to judge what to believe and what not to believe and not to work according someone else s belief.

Why do believe in such a concept, which cannot be expressed, cannot be felt, is beyond our senses or intellect??

Who tells you to believe only in the things that you can express , feel and is within your intellect. It is not a concept, its fact , though you may live in denial forever.

Why We have fear or love of something which we have no personal experience of?

Now you are questioning the very existence of life. God is not a fear or love alone. What is fear ? What is Love ? Your personal experience may be different from anyone else s

And finally what if we found out everything which was told to us about religion or god was all make believe or a big lie??

How do you find that ? What is the lie ?

Its becoming a trend now to days to challenge the well established facts or things just in search of new perspective or a feeling of doubt being confused.

Before we discuss about God, Deepak ji please come out how you perceive him. What has been told about him that you do not approve/agree. What is your point of view ? What makes you say God exists or does not exist. Just initiating a thread and let others decide it for you would not be fair as you have stated why believe that is told to you.


Regards
Shekhar
 
Very true.Its not necessary that what's not visible doesn't really exist.For example if your parents are strict and dont show any visible gesture to shower their love it won't really change the fact that they love you.About God's existence i would sayiIf a particular religion does it then u can doubt his existance.But you will find people worship,all over world, that divine and supreme power(name may vary ofcourse).If you try to be practical and want it to be approved scientifically it will be difficult.You can experiment with what we(Human beings)can see but not with which we can't touch but can only feel.Sometimes we can't buy a logic given by science as well for example i read somewhere that presence of high levels of a particular harmone leads one to infidelity.But it will be sheer madness if someone cheats on his/her life partner and gives(if caught) this excuse that it happened because of high levels of harmones:DNobody would buy this.Lot of things are beyond the reach of science.So sometimes what has been proved in science laboratories fails to make us digest facts explained and mentioned.So it depends on individual to individual how they think about certain things.They have their own reasons to believe or not to believe it.




shekhar_nehra said:
I would like hear your thoughts on this subject, participation will be greatly appreciated.

It all depends on how you want to see the things and the unseeable as well. Maano to sab kuch hai na maano to kuch nhai


Example: Say If I were to sell you a car, without showing it you or you test driving it, would you buy it?

Please : Now Oranges are being compared with Apples here. Faith/belief in God and his existence may not be compared with buying a car. If the only point you want to make here is about lack of verifiable evidence. May be ! ... but again example if not apt. Probably if I know what a car is and how it should work and not bothered about color, other details of car and have faith on you that you would provide me something that can be used travel from say point A to B, I might buy that car :confused:

If not then why when it comes to religion or spirituality, we become so naive??

We are naive only by following the instructions without understanding them why they are being given and also who is giving them.

Why do believe everything that is told to us??

Because one does not live long enough to experiment and verify everything so one needs to believe some things and not all. There is a thin line between truth and the untrue and you need to judge what to believe and what not to believe and not to work according someone else s belief.

Why do believe in such a concept, which cannot be expressed, cannot be felt, is beyond our senses or intellect??

Who tells you to believe only in the things that you can express , feel and is within your intellect. It is not a concept, its fact , though you may live in denial forever.

Why We have fear or love of something which we have no personal experience of?

Now you are questioning the very existence of life. God is not a fear or love alone. What is fear ? What is Love ? Your personal experience may be different from anyone else s

And finally what if we found out everything which was told to us about religion or god was all make believe or a big lie??

How do you find that ? What is the lie ?

Its becoming a trend now to days to challenge the well established facts or things just in search of new perspective or a feeling of doubt being confused.

Before we discuss about God, Deepak ji please come out how you perceive him. What has been told about him that you do not approve/agree. What is your point of view ? What makes you say God exists or does not exist. Just initiating a thread and let others decide it for you would not be fair as you have stated why believe that is told to you.


Regards
Shekhar
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deepakchoudhry said:
Dear Friends,

I would like hear your thoughts on this subject, participation will be greatly appreciated.

Example: Say If I were to sell you a car, without showing it you or you test driving it, would you buy it?

If not then why when it comes to religion or spirituality, we become so naive??

Why do believe everything that is told to us??

Why do believe in such a concept, which cannot be expressed, cannot be felt, is beyond our senses or intellect??:)

Why We have fear or love of something which we have no personal experience of?

And finally what if we found out everything which was told to us about religion or god was all make believe or a big lie??:D


Warm regards,

Deepak
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Off course I do believe in omnipotent supreme power thts divine Spirit control the whole universe all around us,e.g Heated cosmic bodies , Planets, Atmosphere, Super-terrestial space, Suns , Stars. If nobody control this system then here is it possible to sustain a single moment on earth? why these all are working and revolving in a order,

God may not be provable through mathematical formulae or on the basis of Test drive you mentioned as a masterpiece example in my knowledge !!! There is no reason not to believe in God, and there is every reason to believe in Him. , but we live in an era where the evidence of an Intelligent Designer is all around us who designed this universe and now controlling . I think so, without the existence of this supreme power it is complicated to understand the order in cosmological, stellar, planetary, chemical and biological systems .


-Kuldeep Duhan
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deepakchoudhry said:
Dear Friends

Example: Say If I were to sell you a car, without showing it you or you test driving it, would you buy it?

If not then why when it comes to religion or spirituality, we become so naive??

Why do believe everything that is told to us??

Why do believe in such a concept, which cannot be expressed, cannot be felt, is beyond our senses or intellect??:)

Why We have fear or love of something which we have no personal experience of?

And finally what if we found out everything which was told to us about religion or god was all make believe or a big lie??:D
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I don't know whether God exsists or not. But beleive in God give me some kind of peace and releif and above all it keeps me away from wrong things by saying that god is watching me if do wrong he will punish me. And most importantly my Mom always feel happy if do worship of God that's more than important for me. But i don't beleive in any kind of Dhoong and dekahva by saying that its god's worship.
 
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deepakchoudhry said:
Example: Say If I were to sell you a car, without showing it you or you test driving it, would you buy it?



Warm regards,

Deepak
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This is matter of trust only. I bought my first car only because my cousin was using that and he told me it is nice car i don't want to sell it out but i am buying a new one so you buy it. I bought that and i found it really nice. I bought another but i am not that much satisfied with that??

What if you testdrive a used car and buy it as soon as you reach home it broke down then what?
All is in your mind when you are in trouble then only you remember God. If something bad happens to you , you yourself declare it as fault of God. If everything running smooth things going well you are doing that.
Have you seen something bad or good?
How can you distinguish between the two the thing you are saying bad is good for others or Viceversa.

God never says believe in me.

Well i made my point i want you to seek answer of my question You have heard about lot of religions and found one word either Bhagwan, Allah, God, Sache pathsah where all these originated from when nothing like that is there?Why every religion
I was not thinking to reply but........
your example made me to reply. Are you selling out your car? is it good? Which model and make? how much you are asking for that ? i have few persons who are willing to buy car:D
 
No One Knows...

A couple of comments by philosophers over the years, reproduced below.

"We donot know nor does anyome esle"

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but is not able? Then He is not Omnipotent.
Is He able but unwilling? Then He is Malveolent.
If He is both able and willing? Then whence cometh Evil? If He is neither able nor willing? The why call him God? ..... Epicurus

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities".... Voltaire

Personally, I believe there is some unseen power that controls much more than what we believe it does.

Baki, sab drama hai...

Regards,

JS Malik
 
Here is what summarises my take on the subject:


Even though there is no direct physical evidence of God , one is better off having faith that God exists than sufferinf the potential consequences of being a non - believer : Pascal Wager !


In Financial Jargon this might be called : "Tail Hedging of the Portfolio called Life! " :)
 
thatz quite logical nishant. If believing in smthing makes us feel relieved or give u sm kind of peace or strength then we shouls go for it. And I love this "GOD is watching" concept, it works well more almost everyone :).
What i think is itz like if a lie does sm good for smone then letz go for it.

Nishantrathi82 said:
I don't know whether God exsists or not. But beleive in God give me some kind of peace and releif and above all it keeps me away from wrong things by saying that god is watching me if do wrong he will punish me. And most importantly my Mom always feel happy if do worship of God that's more than important for me. But i don't beleive in any kind of Dhoong and dekahva by saying that its god's worship.
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Concur word by word with Great Jaggu Uncle ! :)

To add, I also firmly believe that there is certainly an invisible power (super soul) that govern this universe and we all have one tiny part of that inside of us (soul, inner conscience).
Thats why I always say, Am Spiritual not Ritual !!

But I kind of admit that, am not totally Atheist rather am lil Agnostic.


Rock on
Jit



jagmohan said:
A couple of comments by philosophers over the years, reproduced below.

"We donot know nor does anyome esle"

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but is not able? Then He is not Omnipotent.
Is He able but unwilling? Then He is Malveolent.
If He is both able and willing? Then whence cometh Evil? If He is neither able nor willing? The why call him God? ..... Epicurus

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities".... Voltaire

Personally, I believe there is some unseen power that controls much more than what we believe it does.

Baki, sab drama hai...

Regards,

JS Malik
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anilsinghd said:
Prove it my friend :) ! At least i did not expect an irrational comment from you ....
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:)

ok, here i go:
When i was a kid, i believed in many things such as God, gods, goddesses, ghosts and many more. Andhere mein akele jane mein bhi dar lagta tha. A creature called “hhaauu” used to live in dark rooms…supposedly. :D Most of these thing evaporated out of ‘my world’ and simply because I never found them anywhere and I had no reason to believe that they do exist. (btw there are many kids who are still afraid of dark) :)
I feared ‘samshan-ghat’ a.. a.. a.. lot. I remember the day I ditched the concept of ghost and samshan-ghat and associated superstitions. (Though horror movies still frighten me but thats a different thing :o )
This GOD thing, i don’t when, where, why and how I ditched this concept but i can NOT fathom that there is something which controls my life and everything in this universe!! :)

I am sure all of us have discussed this topic many many times somwhere. Well, I am not the exception either. had numerous arguments over this with a variety of ppl. This discussion always ended somewhere here:

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Perosn X: “See, the thing is: to draw even a straight line, there has to be some creativity, some brain, some controlling power… now u tell me how these planets were formed??”

Me: “Well, Big-bang might have happened.”

Person X: “there has to be something/somebody behind all of this to happen. No?? And that is God my friend.”

Me: “so u mean for anything to happen, there has to be something behind it. Right??”

Perosn X: “Right.”… (1)

Me: “Ok, so to create a big- bang, we need to have some power because to carry out such a huge task we need a ‘creative- entity’ called God.”

Person X: “bang-on.”

Me: “then, who created God??”

Person X: “m not following you??”

Me: “see it takes creativity and hence a ‘supreme power’ to create a big-bang. Then to create that ‘supreme power’ we need another supremely ‘supreme power’ because according to u it always takes ‘something’ to create anything (Ref. eq. (1))
Now extend the same logic further where we will end?? :)
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In the end it is all about stretching the boundaries of God’s intervention. Many find it offensive that i ridicule the supremacy of God. They label me ignorant/arrogant or plain freak but the truth is, i too find it highly offensive when someone claims/doubts the self-sustainability of any biological/ecological system as god’s grace. :(

My take: if ‘God’ can happen on its own so can do ‘everything’ else. :)
 


Another set of arguments concluded:

What God does: Everything yet Nothing. :confused:

Where is God: Everywhere yet No where. ;)

Only logical/reasonable/appropriate gist, my little/ tiny/ small/ mortal brain can infer from the above mutual contradictory statements is that the thing called ‘God’ doesn’t exist!! As simple as that.:p

True, there is a lot that is unsolved for human-kind, there are lot of things which are beyond our control BUT if the progress made by human-kind in solving the mysteries of world/life is any indicator then God’s sphere of intervention is shrinking which in a way supports the non-existence of God (not other way round). :)

P.S. i’ll definitely and happily accept the ‘concept of God’ if i ever had a teeny-tiny doubt about the non-existence of the same. :)
 
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