sunillathwal
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Infact I do not need to Euler did it long time back ...
As easy as that !
Oh! suddenly i SAW god. (pun intended)
Does God Exists??
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Oh! suddenly i SAW god. (pun intended)
shekhar_nehra
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thatz quite logical nishant. If believing in smthing makes us feel relieved or give u sm kind of peace or strength then we shouls go for it. And I love this "GOD is watching" concept, it works well more almost everyone
What i think is itz like if a lie does sm good for smone then letz go for it.
God does not watch anyone... the concept is you can lie to everyone else but not to yourself. Its your conscience that you can not lie to. So the point is, to be true to your self, have integrity of character i.e tell truth to yourself and have high esteem. If you can put this in a child's mind in any other way that would be much appreciated, but till then leading by example and telling him that God is watching him which is nothing but a way to develop his own right/moral side seems fine.
sunitahooda
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WoW....golden words....felt as if someone is writing my mind n thoughts
shekhar_nehra
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When I said Maano to sab kuch hai na mano to kuch nahi ... . I actually meant that if one is in denial mode he/she will deny anything and everything .. what you call scientific fact can be denied easily by him/her. If some one denies Earth is not round or does not revolve around Sun, how will you prove it to this insane guy ?
But there has to be a common agreeable platform for any discussion to happen.
To put it simply I believe in God because I am amused by the universe/nature and how it is functioning in symmetry most of the time. Some power that must have created it and is controlling it.
Also I am amazed by facts like things that really make one happy/ sad are universal, all over the world irrespective of language / region from times memorable and in all great civilizations.
What we call teachings of God are nothing but bare minimum set of rules / guidelines that should be followed so that every human being lives happily his/her life.
Have you really prayed for something you badly needed and have they been answered ? Obviously along with your effort.
Hence I would conclude you are big and God is within you by following rules and guidelines that make life easier for everyone. The things that you do not want to happen to yourself .. you would not do to others , because what gives you pain would cause pain to others as well , but if you are hell bent on living your life without caring for others and just struggling for survival then you are free to do same. Remember you have freedom of action and its you who decide how you act and what to believe in.
I do not see a disconnect here that its only God or individual.
Regards
Shekhar
P.S : You have still not come up with what do you understand by God and what do you have against his teachings as they are called by most of the people across religions.
shekhar_nehra
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My immediate response would be " What is God ? ". Obviously not an affirmative or negative answer to the question "Does God Exists??" ! And mind you its not an experiment ... we still do not have a time machine yet ... its hypothesis ... i.e assuming I am infant again.
irrelevant post but..
Koyi mera Osho wala taaga kholl do
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25109
bahut dino ma aayi huu band paya
Koyi mera Osho wala taaga kholl do
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25109
bahut dino ma aayi huu band paya
So nice and so well defined....those who don't believe in his(God)existence can then take their self-conscience into consideration everytime they do something.Your is your best freind as it keeps warning u when u step towards doing something wrong and nasty(Though I am a strong believer that God is one omnipresent power and is for real)
nishantrathi82
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kya phle kisne god ko dheka hai
or kisne ab dheka ho
aap sab kuch chiz aassi mis kar rhe ho aap insaniyat ke liye bhut jaruri hai
jisse hamhare purvajo ne dheka hai
main baat kar rha hu sacchi,trust,insaniyat,acche kaamo ki
kyun katam kar rhe hai ham chizo ko
jo syd ab nhi hai is dunia main
jo phale thi
but bagwan to kisko pata hi nhi wo tha ya nhi
ager haan to sabko ek jasa kyun nhi banta
ager nhi hai to ye dunia kasie start houi
or kisne ab dheka ho
aap sab kuch chiz aassi mis kar rhe ho aap insaniyat ke liye bhut jaruri hai
jisse hamhare purvajo ne dheka hai
main baat kar rha hu sacchi,trust,insaniyat,acche kaamo ki
kyun katam kar rhe hai ham chizo ko
jo syd ab nhi hai is dunia main
jo phale thi
but bagwan to kisko pata hi nhi wo tha ya nhi
ager haan to sabko ek jasa kyun nhi banta
ager nhi hai to ye dunia kasie start houi
As its more or less understood by many posts that there is nothing like divine supreme being, however a conscience exists in us(or should exist) to have fear for doing immoral activities.
There are too many versions of GOD to do GOOD. majority of terrorists are killing people on god's name, told you, faith is a twisted term. martyr for one community's faith can be terrorist for others...funny Muslim people convince illiterate ones that "jihad" will lead them to "heaven", same funny people in India twist the same story for some other reasons.....and on GOD's name and for seeking heaven we are making this place living hell....So, i guess its better we replace RELIGION with HUMANITY, GOD with CONSCIENCE and WORSHIP with HARD WORK.....
Oh...its Thursday gotta go...mandir jana hai
There are too many versions of GOD to do GOOD. majority of terrorists are killing people on god's name, told you, faith is a twisted term. martyr for one community's faith can be terrorist for others...funny Muslim people convince illiterate ones that "jihad" will lead them to "heaven", same funny people in India twist the same story for some other reasons.....and on GOD's name and for seeking heaven we are making this place living hell....So, i guess its better we replace RELIGION with HUMANITY, GOD with CONSCIENCE and WORSHIP with HARD WORK.....
Oh...its Thursday gotta go...mandir jana hai
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nishantrathi82
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As its more or less understood by many posts that there is nothing like divine supreme being, however a conscience exists in us(or should exist) to have fear for doing immoral activities.
There are too many versions of GOD to do GOOD. majority of terrorists are killing people on god's name, told you, faith is a twisted term. martyr for one community's faith can be terrorist for others...funny Muslim people convince illiterate ones that "jihad" will lead them to "heaven", same funny people in India twist the same story for some other reasons.....and on GOD's name and for seeking heaven we are making this place living hell....So, i guess its better we replace RELIGION with HUMANITY, GOD with CONSCIENCE and WORSHIP with HARD WORK.....
Oh...its Thursday gotta go...mandir jana hai
What about Luck? I think we can replace God with Luck too.
vkaschaudhary
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We believe in Existing and and non existing creatures of God ...!
So we believe in God ...!!!
Hence..God Exist !!!
So we believe in God ...!!!
Hence..God Exist !!!
sunitahooda
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I believe in GOD
satyenderdeswal
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Mera vote te teri gail se sunita.......
I TOO BELIEVE IN GOD
I TOO BELIEVE IN GOD
I believe in GOD
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anilsinghd
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Read At your own risk , please!
Ok , here 's a something from my side , let's see what I can write ...
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As somebody already said , this question is a very old one but since we all have mind and we think , it is bound to come again.
Now first thing first , why at all bother about God and/or its existence?
If one is so sure of its non-existence , then so be it , why be curious on it ?
In any case , trying too hard is dangerous , one must exceed but not overshoot!
कबीर एक ना जान्या , तो बहु जान्या क्या होए
एक तै सब होई है , सब से एक न होए !!
Now yeh "ek" kaun hai , for sure I have no clue , upto all you intelligent people!
Anyways , fine , but then why be so adamant about its non-existence. In my first post on this thread , i basically summarised my take , its like a free option I have with me which costs me nothing and which I can use as my protection at my convenience , is not it ?
Something to substantiate:
दुःख में सुमिरन सब करें , सुख में करे न कोए
जो सुख में सुमिरन करे , तो दुःख काहे होए ?
I have faith , i find a lot deal of satisfaction in pursuing (only a bit though ) of Pooja , rituals , but a great deal in Devotional songs, bhajans , amritwani and above all the dohas! ( easy guess for most of you , right ? )
And i watch myself , I at times fit in the category of the doha above , I also flow in events and behave differently , now I am confused as to whether I should not allow myself to deviate , Vijay asks me not to because as per him being equanimous is being curbing one's emotions and they are bound to come out in some form or other (Dahiya Sir supported the hypothesis , I kind of not disagree , Well I am confused!
) .
Ok now , coming to the process of having faith in God , (also clear from the thread is the perfect case of some on one side of a concept and some on the other , pheww , life's tough , there are no clear concepts , are there any ?
All are like 51-49 , no clear odds ! ) many here have said they dont believe in the rituals , processes etc , well who asked you to believe them in the first place. No body on the planet believes/follows everything he is told to , right ? Do we believe/follow our poor admins of the site! Never! In any case , how about this :
सुमिरन सूरत लगाये के , मुख से कछु न बोल
बाहर का पट बंद कर , अन्दर का पट खोल !
Clearly mentions that there is no need to do anything but the devotion to the almighty! We dont need all the "dikhaava" and all ! Right!
On where you can find god , hmm... tricky ... I do not know , if I would have , I would probably not be writing out here but on my way to the place! But as a couple of people have suggested , conscience of self , or may be this can help:
ज्यूँ तिल माही तेल है , ज्यूँ चकमक में आग
तेरा साईं तुझमे है , जाग सके तो जाग ....
Pheww , give it a try but dont kill me if you can't!
Next , very important , who can find it .....again person specific , right ?
Yeah , yeah , I have one more to help me out:
कामी , क्रोधी , लालची , इनसे भक्ति न होए
भक्ति करे कोई सूरमा , जाती वरन कुल खोये ..
Give it a try folks , see for yourslef whether you qualify even for the process of trying to find god. And yes , I am not being sarcastic becasue 1) I am not targetting anyone , the whole world is my audience
2) I myself is not good enough so I don't have any competitive advantage or to put it better , I myself is an audience of this post!
And yes how difficult is the process ( Yups , i actually could read some of your minds on this
)...
well there are no free lunches as they say and since this is such an interesting and "loved" by all(many to be precise!) thing/person/concept , bet it won't be that easy , The only clue I have is this:
हांसी खेलो हरी मिले , कौन सहे पर्षान
काम , क्रोध , तृष्णा तजे , ताहि मिलै भगवान !!
I seek all of your blessings and wish you guys luck on may be the voyage to "HIM". I promise to come back to you asap if I find "him" and expect the same!
Sincere Regards,
Anil
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PS: I do not intend to offend/hurt anyone , I unconditionally apologise to anyone who percieves anything I said in a negative sense.
Ok , here 's a something from my side , let's see what I can write ...
===================================
As somebody already said , this question is a very old one but since we all have mind and we think , it is bound to come again.
Now first thing first , why at all bother about God and/or its existence?
If one is so sure of its non-existence , then so be it , why be curious on it ?
In any case , trying too hard is dangerous , one must exceed but not overshoot!
कबीर एक ना जान्या , तो बहु जान्या क्या होए
एक तै सब होई है , सब से एक न होए !!
Now yeh "ek" kaun hai , for sure I have no clue , upto all you intelligent people!
Anyways , fine , but then why be so adamant about its non-existence. In my first post on this thread , i basically summarised my take , its like a free option I have with me which costs me nothing and which I can use as my protection at my convenience , is not it ?
Something to substantiate:
दुःख में सुमिरन सब करें , सुख में करे न कोए
जो सुख में सुमिरन करे , तो दुःख काहे होए ?
I have faith , i find a lot deal of satisfaction in pursuing (only a bit though ) of Pooja , rituals , but a great deal in Devotional songs, bhajans , amritwani and above all the dohas! ( easy guess for most of you , right ? )
And i watch myself , I at times fit in the category of the doha above , I also flow in events and behave differently , now I am confused as to whether I should not allow myself to deviate , Vijay asks me not to because as per him being equanimous is being curbing one's emotions and they are bound to come out in some form or other (Dahiya Sir supported the hypothesis , I kind of not disagree , Well I am confused!
) .Ok now , coming to the process of having faith in God , (also clear from the thread is the perfect case of some on one side of a concept and some on the other , pheww , life's tough , there are no clear concepts , are there any ?
All are like 51-49 , no clear odds ! ) many here have said they dont believe in the rituals , processes etc , well who asked you to believe them in the first place. No body on the planet believes/follows everything he is told to , right ? Do we believe/follow our poor admins of the site! Never! In any case , how about this :सुमिरन सूरत लगाये के , मुख से कछु न बोल
बाहर का पट बंद कर , अन्दर का पट खोल !
Clearly mentions that there is no need to do anything but the devotion to the almighty!
We dont need all the "dikhaava" and all ! Right!On where you can find god , hmm... tricky ... I do not know , if I would have , I would probably not be writing out here but on my way to the place! But as a couple of people have suggested , conscience of self , or may be this can help:
ज्यूँ तिल माही तेल है , ज्यूँ चकमक में आग
तेरा साईं तुझमे है , जाग सके तो जाग ....
Pheww , give it a try but dont kill me if you can't!
Next , very important , who can find it .....again person specific , right ?
Yeah , yeah , I have one more to help me out:
कामी , क्रोधी , लालची , इनसे भक्ति न होए
भक्ति करे कोई सूरमा , जाती वरन कुल खोये ..
Give it a try folks , see for yourslef whether you qualify even for the process of trying to find god. And yes , I am not being sarcastic becasue 1) I am not targetting anyone , the whole world is my audience
2) I myself is not good enough so I don't have any competitive advantage or to put it better , I myself is an audience of this post!
And yes how difficult is the process ( Yups , i actually could read some of your minds on this
)...well there are no free lunches as they say and since this is such an interesting and "loved" by all(many to be precise!) thing/person/concept , bet it won't be that easy , The only clue I have is this:
हांसी खेलो हरी मिले , कौन सहे पर्षान
काम , क्रोध , तृष्णा तजे , ताहि मिलै भगवान !!
I seek all of your blessings and wish you guys luck on may be the voyage to "HIM". I promise to come back to you asap if I find "him" and expect the same!
Sincere Regards,
Anil
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PS: I do not intend to offend/hurt anyone , I unconditionally apologise to anyone who percieves anything I said in a negative sense.
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poonamchaudhary
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Does God exist?? The existence of God is not something that can be scientifically proven or corroborated by some established facts. Its a subjective concept and so every person will have a different opinion and answer to this question. Its a matter of faith and belief.
Living in a Godless universe is a difficult thing. So if like Nietzsche we believe that there is no God (actually he said God is dead) then, I think, life becomes a bit more unbearable. So believing in some kind of higher power is not bad after all !
My faith is that there is some kind of transcendental presence throughout this universe which is a sort of governing principle. This power/energy is extant in everything and is essence of all. The objects, the subjects, the trees, the air, the water and so on, all of these are informed by that principle. It is something that cannot be known tangibly but is to be felt. If it has to be searched for then it is there right within. I dont believe in rituals and idol worship. For me this concept has at its centre a God that is formless and an unseen presence. Its an energy that pulsates the universe and everything that is part of it.
In the end I'll quote Walt Whitman whose faith I share...
" Bathe me O God in thee, mounting to thee,
I and my soul to range in range of thee."
Living in a Godless universe is a difficult thing. So if like Nietzsche we believe that there is no God (actually he said God is dead) then, I think, life becomes a bit more unbearable. So believing in some kind of higher power is not bad after all !
My faith is that there is some kind of transcendental presence throughout this universe which is a sort of governing principle. This power/energy is extant in everything and is essence of all. The objects, the subjects, the trees, the air, the water and so on, all of these are informed by that principle. It is something that cannot be known tangibly but is to be felt. If it has to be searched for then it is there right within. I dont believe in rituals and idol worship. For me this concept has at its centre a God that is formless and an unseen presence. Its an energy that pulsates the universe and everything that is part of it.
In the end I'll quote Walt Whitman whose faith I share...
" Bathe me O God in thee, mounting to thee,
I and my soul to range in range of thee."
sunillathwal
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okey, so far majority of the posts tend to suggest that:
1. though God's existence can not be proved yet ppl 'believe' in god's existence (and few even feel it) because by doing so give them a feeling of being watched over by some unseen supreme power.
2. God exists because all these biological systems, universe, etc works in a perfect manner and there must be something behind these seamless operations.
i have some doubts/queries: (let me confess here, i am a staunch believer of non-existence of God)!!
2: i have already asked same thing: who created god?? if god can be self-created, why can't be these systems?? why can't these system be self-sustained??
should i assume that u ppl are labeling the 'self-sustainability' of all such systems as God??
1. Ok, if god is more of a 'conscience' type thing...
let me ask a simple question:
God exists only because one believe that it does??
OR
God really exists and that is why one has to believe in its existence??
From few posts in this thread, i understood (i hope i took it in their intended meaning):
God is a 'batch' of 'our conscience' put away and labeled as some fancy name 'God'; to watch over us/ forbid us to do anything wrong/ ultimately bowing to our own supremacy!!
This 'situation' reminds me something related to my 'late-latifi'. have this bad habit of reaching late.. always. mostly by five minutes or so!!
to avoid 'this', once i tried this old fashioned trick of resetting my watch, my mobile.. 10 minutes ahead of actual time.
But it didn't work.
whenever i have to reach somewhere; this thing will be in mind.. "oh, take ur sweet time sunil, there is enough time and already your watch is 10 minuted ahead of the actual time." Result: again late and this time 'later' than usual 'late'!!
Point is: Don't u have this thing somewhere in ur mind that God is actually our own 'little fantasy' and there is nothing that forbid us to do anything we want to do.
if it is so then how strong is ur belief about god and if it NOT so then how stupid/amnesic are u???
see, if some one is punctual he/she need not to reset his/her watch. Similarly why this God thingy to obnubilate ourself, why we need to keep ourself in delusion of actually being devoted to something ??
P.S.: To above things add the concepts of Md. prophet, jesus, few self proclaimed Gods (new age gurus, satya sai baba, etc), krishna and many more whom millions billions believe as actual physical form of GOD (and worshiping these gods will take these 'herds' to the heaven), my preception of God is reduced to nothing but a sordid business!!
1. though God's existence can not be proved yet ppl 'believe' in god's existence (and few even feel it) because by doing so give them a feeling of being watched over by some unseen supreme power.
2. God exists because all these biological systems, universe, etc works in a perfect manner and there must be something behind these seamless operations.
i have some doubts/queries: (let me confess here, i am a staunch believer of non-existence of God)!!
2: i have already asked same thing: who created god?? if god can be self-created, why can't be these systems?? why can't these system be self-sustained??
should i assume that u ppl are labeling the 'self-sustainability' of all such systems as God??
1. Ok, if god is more of a 'conscience' type thing...
let me ask a simple question:
God exists only because one believe that it does??
OR
God really exists and that is why one has to believe in its existence??
From few posts in this thread, i understood (i hope i took it in their intended meaning):
God is a 'batch' of 'our conscience' put away and labeled as some fancy name 'God'; to watch over us/ forbid us to do anything wrong/ ultimately bowing to our own supremacy!!
This 'situation' reminds me something related to my 'late-latifi'. have this bad habit of reaching late.. always. mostly by five minutes or so!!
to avoid 'this', once i tried this old fashioned trick of resetting my watch, my mobile.. 10 minutes ahead of actual time.
But it didn't work.
whenever i have to reach somewhere; this thing will be in mind.. "oh, take ur sweet time sunil, there is enough time and already your watch is 10 minuted ahead of the actual time." Result: again late and this time 'later' than usual 'late'!!
Point is: Don't u have this thing somewhere in ur mind that God is actually our own 'little fantasy' and there is nothing that forbid us to do anything we want to do.
if it is so then how strong is ur belief about god and if it NOT so then how stupid/amnesic are u???
see, if some one is punctual he/she need not to reset his/her watch. Similarly why this God thingy to obnubilate ourself, why we need to keep ourself in delusion of actually being devoted to something ??
P.S.: To above things add the concepts of Md. prophet, jesus, few self proclaimed Gods (new age gurus, satya sai baba, etc), krishna and many more whom millions billions believe as actual physical form of GOD (and worshiping these gods will take these 'herds' to the heaven), my preception of God is reduced to nothing but a sordid business!!
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