Does God Exists??
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Deepak ji,
Existence of God: the unsolved mysteries of all times!!!
In a story by Khalil Gibran, God gets a chance to destroy Satan, but he spares Satan's life. And Satan says-" You will never destroy me, because you need me for your own survival".
So, I see the invisible suit of the emperor, because I believe in good, and it helps me in being good.
I will agree with Anil Dalal, that i do not want to take chances by not believing in "existence of God".
Regards.
Existence of God: the unsolved mysteries of all times!!!
In a story by Khalil Gibran, God gets a chance to destroy Satan, but he spares Satan's life. And Satan says-" You will never destroy me, because you need me for your own survival".
So, I see the invisible suit of the emperor, because I believe in good, and it helps me in being good.
I will agree with Anil Dalal, that i do not want to take chances by not believing in "existence of God".
Regards.
Dear Friends,
I would like hear your thoughts on this subject, participation will be greatly appreciated.
Example: Say If I were to sell you a car, without showing it you or you test driving it, would you buy it?
If not then why when it comes to religion or spirituality, we become so naive??
Why do believe everything that is told to us??
Why do believe in such a concept, which cannot be expressed, cannot be felt, is beyond our senses or intellect??
Why We have fear or love of something which we have no personal experience of?
And finally what if we found out everything which was told to us about religion or god was all make believe or a big lie??
Warm regards,
Deepak
shekhar_nehra
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God's non-existence can also be not proved either. Because it's beyond your comprehension. As mentioned earlier God does not watch anyone literally !
Obviously Yes ! This rhythm is an indication.
i have some doubts/queries: (let me confess here, i am a staunch believer of non-existence of God)!!
2: i have already asked same thing: who created god?? if god can be self-created, why can't be these systems?? why can't these system be self-sustained??
should i assume that u ppl are labeling the 'self-sustainability' of all such systems as God??
May be you are right, self-sustainability may be considered as God what about creation ? ( was it really Big Bang ) How do you explain this self-sustainability ?
God exists even if you want to live in denial of this fact for ever ! He has given you freedom of action ( Karm ) Including you not believing in him
.So all the religions when talk of teachings of God inspired you to do good deeds .. as long as you can differentiate between the Good and Bad and continue to do Good deeds .. it hardly matters you believe in God or not.
From few posts in this thread, i understood (i hope i took it in their intended meaning):
God is a 'batch' of 'our conscience' put away and labeled as some fancy name 'God'; to watch over us/ forbid us to do anything wrong/ ultimately bowing to our own supremacy!!
This 'situation' reminds me something related to my 'late-latifi'. have this bad habit of reaching late.. always. mostly by five minutes or so!!
to avoid 'this', once i tried this old fashioned trick of resetting my watch, my mobile.. 10 minutes ahead of actual time.
But it didn't work.
whenever i have to reach somewhere; this thing will be in mind.. "oh, take ur sweet time sunil, there is enough time and already your watch is 10 minuted ahead of the actual time." Result: again late and this time 'later' than usual 'late'!!
Your supremacy is nothing but freedom to do what you want to do. i.e Karm is azaadi
So you are trying to be over smart with yourself and realize that you can not fool yourself by setting your watch 10 mins ahead. You may fool others who might see your watch to rely on it to be exact time but not to you who knows the truth. Your effort has be on realizing you need to make an effort to be punctual rather than try a trick and be punctual automatically.
Point is: Don't u have this thing somewhere in ur mind that God is actually our own 'little fantasy' and there is nothing that forbid us to do anything we want to do.
if it is so then how strong is ur belief about god and if it NOT so then how stupid/amnesic are u???
see, if some one is punctual he/she need not to reset his/her watch. Similarly why this God thingy to obnubilate ourself, why we need to keep ourself in delusion of actually being devoted to something ??
P.S.: To above things add the concepts of Md. prophet, jesus, few self proclaimed Gods (new age gurus, satya sai baba, etc), krishna and many more whom millions billions believe as actual physical form of GOD (and worshiping these gods will take these 'herds' to the heaven), my preception of God is reduced to nothing but a sordid business!!
The Point is ... Soye hue ko uthaa sakkte hain par uthee hue ko neend se kaise uthaa sakte hain. No one is trying a trick like the one suggested by you to set time 10min ahead to be punctual , in respect of God. If I were to extend your vague example here ... then when every one has the same time ( may be all set 10 min advance ) so nothing goes in mind about the doubt over the correctness of time , there is peace of mind and focus is on to ensure you reach or do things on time. No one fears God but dedicate all of their righteous acts to him. The main point is to be righteous/compassionate/considerate etc... just like being punctual and nothing to with what time is set in watch.
Yes God is referred as masculine and its all together another issue why this world is still male dominated and we still have terms like Chairman; Man of the Match etc.
Yes you are right some people have made it a business to preach wrong doings in name of God and influence the karma of some of us.
sunillathwal
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bhaai, we are again back to where we started!! how can one explain the self-sustainability of so called GOD??
and 'creation': what about GOD's creation?? why there is THE need to put the 'God' beyond all the logics?? (but u demand a logic behind everything else).
proving the non-existence of GOD: somehow i found this hilarious.
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Does anyone remember the miracle when statues/ idols of Lord Ganesha drank milk?
I did not experience it, but had heard about Ganesh ji accepting the offering of milk, but only from his true devotees.
I regret missing the chance of a proof / spoof of existence of brahminical God!!
Did anyone from JL try it?
Regards
I did not experience it, but had heard about Ganesh ji accepting the offering of milk, but only from his true devotees.
I regret missing the chance of a proof / spoof of existence of brahminical God!!
Did anyone from JL try it?
Regards
sunillathwal
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yes, i remember i was in 9th class then.
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मैं आपनी दादी गेल्या गया था उस दिन मंदिर में... म्हारा सारा गाम कट्ठा हो रया था उस दिन शिवाले में. शिवजी के बराबर में एक गणेश भगवान की भी मूर्ति थी. लोग ब्खोरे, कटोरे भर भर लाय रे दूध की अर् चमचे गेल्या मंड रे गणेश ने दूध प्याण.
मेरा आर मेरी दादी का भी नंबर आया थोडी हाण में , चमच लाया गणेश की मूर्ति के मुह.. कड़े का दुग्धपान करा था गणेश !! मन्ने कही कुछ न पीता यु गणेश तो
, एक पाच्छे खड़ी लुगाई नु बोली, "बेटा, प्या गणेश ने आपने आप ना खींचे गणेश दूध ने .. माडा सा तिरछा कर चमच ने ".. नु भी कर के देखा.. सारा दूध गणेश के मुह पे तै शुरू होके अर् पेट ने कती गिल्ल करके फर्श पे आके थमा. मन्ने कही दूर फेर, मखा कुछ न पीता यु गणेश, नु करे धोरे खड़े लोग-बाग़ अक पीवे सै, सब का पीना सै ज्यां तै थोडा-थोडा पीवे सै सबका !!!
एक आदमी इसा नहीं जो नु ना कहता हो अक कोन्या पीता, सबके सब नु रट ला रए उक मेरा तो पी लिया था बहार ने लिकड़ के देखा तो, धार बंध रही दूध की साहरे आले जोहड़ तक..
आँखा देखे पाच्छे भी लोग बावले हो ज्याँ सै लोग. :tamatar
नरा फालतू का ढोंग था, कुछ न चमत्कार था वो. Stupidity at its best
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nishantrathi82
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yes, i remember i was in 9th class then.
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मैं आपनी दादी गेल्या गया था उस दिन मंदिर में... म्हारा सारा गाम कत्था हो रया था उस दिन शिवाले में. शिवजी के बराबर में एक गणेश भगवान की भी मूर्ति थी. लोग ब्खोरे, कटोरे भर भर लाय रे दूध की अर् चमचे गेल्या मंड रे गणेश ने दूध प्याण.
मेरा आर मेरी दादी का भी नंबर आया थोडी हाण में , चमच लाया गणेश की मूर्ति के मुह.. कड़े का दुग्धपान करा लगी गणेश !! मन्ने कही कुछ न पीता यु गणेश तो
मन्ने कही दूर फेर, मखा कुछ न पीता यु गणेश, नु करे धोरे खड़े लोग-बाग़ अक पीवे सै, सब का पीना सै ज्यां तै थोडा-थोडा पीवे सै सबका !!!
एक आदमी इसा नहीं जो नु ना कहता हो अक कोन्या पीता, सबके सब नु रट ला रए उक मेरा तो पी लिया था बहार ने लिकड़ के देखा तो, धार बंध रही दूध की साहरे आले जोहड़ तक..
आँखा देखे पाच्छे भी लोग जान बावले हो ज्याँ सै लोग. :tamatar
नरा फालतू का ढोंग था, कुछ न चमत्कार था वो. Stupidity at its best
Hahahaha bhai sahe kaaha naahe piiya dodh mai bhi dekhne gaaya tha woh murti se hoo kaar naali me jaa raha tha aur mandir ke peeche naali dhooli ho gee thee.
Fool's Paradise
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anilsinghd
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Well that is the crux , why do you find that hilarious!
Everyone starts a Phd with zeal to find out something that was not there or to prove some conjecture etc.
I find it perfectly fine to take the existence of God as a conjecture , and I am not betting on someone proving it or disproving it.
thats why i said , its a free option for me!
bhaai, we are again back to where we started!! how can one explain the self-sustainability of so called GOD??
and 'creation': what about GOD's creation?? why there is THE need to put the 'God' beyond all the logics?? (but u demand a logic behind everything else).
proving the non-existence of GOD: somehow i found this hilarious.
Well ... Non-believers are providing logics behind the non-existance of God while the believers just believe and showing faith in God's existance. This is the believers' thinking that God is beyond all the logics. If non-believers want to see the logic behind God's existance then first they have to prove non-existance of God by logics. Its all about faith and belief only for the believers. People who introduced the logics in this subject should prove their point by logics first.
As simple as that.
mhundpuriamann
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who is saying just to believe !
sabb apnee apnee gaa rahe hain to main bhee gaaoongaa ! :rock
when i was in 9th class i used to think why should i believe in god if it can't be proved , for this i used to speak lot of bad words(gaal in haryanvee) for "bhagwan" publicly. i used to think that one day god will get angry and he will show his existance to me.
whether god is there or not , for whom this is a problem , problem? yes problem , this is not a problem for all animals.this problem (jiggyasaa) is only for few people , this is also not a problem of god because it makes no difference for him whether we believe in him (or her) , so finally problem is ours, yes ours ! this is we who want to see the god.
our great forefathers (aryans) resolved this problem very logically thousands of years back, see take a little example we can't see sun through our naked eyes because we r not capable of that and we have to have some helping device in other words we need to raise our level from natural. in the same way we can't see or feel god's existence beacause our frequency is not matching with that, to raise our level our forefather (great forefathers ) developed a technique called "RAJYOGA" , this is set of some physical excercises , meditation practices,kundalini jagran etc these things are not just theoritical these works as medicines in allopathy, i have experience of that.
after doing all these things u starts seeing world from a higher level . then some day u will not need any "logic" to prove god. there is a master in this,"OSHO" if somebody really wanna do true meditation then he/she must listen speech of osho on "dhyan and samadhee".
"logic" in itself is a confusing word see "logics" changes as we grow everyday, this is actually very illogical thing to remain stick to this "logic" theory.
sabb apnee apnee gaa rahe hain to main bhee gaaoongaa ! :rock
when i was in 9th class i used to think why should i believe in god if it can't be proved , for this i used to speak lot of bad words(gaal in haryanvee) for "bhagwan" publicly. i used to think that one day god will get angry and he will show his existance to me.
whether god is there or not , for whom this is a problem , problem? yes problem , this is not a problem for all animals.this problem (jiggyasaa) is only for few people , this is also not a problem of god because it makes no difference for him whether we believe in him (or her) , so finally problem is ours, yes ours ! this is we who want to see the god.
our great forefathers (aryans) resolved this problem very logically thousands of years back, see take a little example we can't see sun through our naked eyes because we r not capable of that and we have to have some helping device in other words we need to raise our level from natural. in the same way we can't see or feel god's existence beacause our frequency is not matching with that, to raise our level our forefather (great forefathers ) developed a technique called "RAJYOGA" , this is set of some physical excercises , meditation practices,kundalini jagran etc these things are not just theoritical these works as medicines in allopathy, i have experience of that.
after doing all these things u starts seeing world from a higher level . then some day u will not need any "logic" to prove god. there is a master in this,"OSHO" if somebody really wanna do true meditation then he/she must listen speech of osho on "dhyan and samadhee".
"logic" in itself is a confusing word see "logics" changes as we grow everyday, this is actually very illogical thing to remain stick to this "logic" theory.
Well ... Non-believers are providing logics behind the non-existance of God while the believers just believe and showing faith in God's existance. This is the believers' thinking that God is beyond all the logics. If non-believers want to see the logic behind God's existance then first they have to prove non-existance of God by logics. Its all about faith and belief only for the believers. People who introduced the logics in this subject should prove their point by logics first.
As simple as that.
As an atheist, I do not have a specific belief, but a lack of belief. I have nothing to "prove", it is up to theists to prove that their particular omnipotent father-figure exists..
one more thing, people who have this belief pls define GOD.
Some scholars are trying to 'prove' the non-existance of God.
Why you NEED a definition for 'something' which doesn't exists according to you ?
Let it be like this only for your 'lack of belief'.
Just want to know, whats this fuzz is all about??Some scholars are trying to 'prove' the non-existance of God.
Why you NEED a definition for 'something' which doesn't exists according to you ?
Let it be like this only for your 'lack of belief'.
If people who believe in "something", are not able to prove it! at least define it...not for me...but God's sake!!
On serious note, if theists can tell us some characteristics and properties of god, it will be lot easier to prove that it does not exist. fair enough?
prior to make a comment on God one should know about himself first. Is human being nothing more than intellect and senses ? senses as well as intellect have limits. Earthworm has sense of touch only (no eyes no ear no tongue and nose ) Earthworm knows what his skin tells him.ant have skin and eyes, so his world is limited to the feeling of touch and sight. Fly,slightly more developed have tongue too so it can taste also.Snake have four senses touch (skin),eyes,nose,tongue only so it can feel,see,smell,and taste the world.it cannot hear. Likewise the world of the above four type of creature is limited to their senses.We have five senses.Other creatures are confined to their senses. So do we.Same is the story of intellect.what we can not see Einstein or Bertrand Russel could perceive.It is not true that things which we do not see, feel ,perceive or understand does not exist.God is not confined to our senses or intellect.This is our limit.Things exist and happen beyond our senses and intellectual limits.Your name is Deepak.Once Lord Gautam Budhha uttered Appo deepo bhav (be your own light) Do not ask. Know yourself.
deepakchoudhry
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Navin Bhai,
Humans ask questions, its in our nature. Human Knowledge has been acquired by asking questioning only but there are some existential questions, which have always baffled and bothered us.
But on the other hand, do we need any knowledge....no not really.
Animals live in perfect harmony and yet they do not sit around and do any discussions.
Deepak
yes, i remember i was in 9th class then.
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मैं आपनी दादी गेल्या गया था उस दिन मंदिर में... म्हारा सारा गाम कट्ठा हो रया था उस दिन शिवाले में. शिवजी के बराबर में एक गणेश भगवान की भी मूर्ति थी. लोग ब्खोरे, कटोरे भर भर लाय रे दूध की अर् चमचे गेल्या मंड रे गणेश ने दूध प्याण.
मेरा आर मेरी दादी का भी नंबर आया थोडी हाण में , चमच लाया गणेश की मूर्ति के मुह.. कड़े का दुग्धपान करा था गणेश !! मन्ने कही कुछ न पीता यु गणेश तो
मन्ने कही दूर फेर, मखा कुछ न पीता यु गणेश, नु करे धोरे खड़े लोग-बाग़ अक पीवे सै, सब का पीना सै ज्यां तै थोडा-थोडा पीवे सै सबका !!!
एक आदमी इसा नहीं जो नु ना कहता हो अक कोन्या पीता, सबके सब नु रट ला रए उक मेरा तो पी लिया था बहार ने लिकड़ के देखा तो, धार बंध रही दूध की साहरे आले जोहड़ तक..
आँखा देखे पाच्छे भी लोग बावले हो ज्याँ सै लोग. :tamatar
नरा फालतू का ढोंग था, कुछ न चमत्कार था वो. Stupidity at its best
Sahi kah hai sunil bhai, ek gilasi me main bhi doodh le ke gaya tha par 2 ghante line me lagya raha er mera number nahi aaya. main jib bina doodh pilaaye ghar vaapis jane laga to bahar naali me ku sara doodh bah raha tha. Main to use dekh ke apan laya hooa doodh apne aap hi pi liya. khamakhwah naali me bahaye se kya faayada......
siwach2767
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hi guys i have read many post regarding the topic. and i would like to say that yes god does exist. but we ppl don't know the real form of it. it is a supreme soul who is free from all bondages. he is incorporeal . he is above birth and death. every soul who took birth and do karma is not a god. be it a krishna, ram, hanuman, shankar and all.
Dear Friends, this question cannot be answered in yes or no, either answere cannot be supported by proof & no body can show GOD TO ANOTHER PERSON, Even if someone has seen/felt the presence of the power/god, he also cannot show another person, yes some guidelines are available, if sincerely tried one may get some answere to this question. Some of The guidelines are:- 1. should have desire to know the God/the superpower.
2. should have positive mind & thinking.
3. should have ful faith & confidence in self.
4. The musk deer enchanted by fragrance of musk, & not knowing its source, kept on running hither & thither looking for it. It was only when musk deer was dying than he realised that the good smell was coming from his own body. Similarly, please donot waste your time & energy to find the God every where, Friends it is with you, inside you & really you are part of the super power, look inside, you can see the real path & the God itself, for which one has to do following :-
1Try to understand the voice of the soul & control the Mind
2. Think & act as per direction of the soul
3. Detech/ Leave KAMA, KRODH, AHENKAR, MUDH, MOH, MAYA,LOBH
4. Control desire.
5. Love yourself, everyone & every thing including the nature.
6. Be true & honest to yourself.
7. Leave eggo, fear, enemity,jeaousy & revenge
8. Live in present.
9. Enjoy your efforts & be satisfied.
10. Be always happy & donnot ditrub happiness of others.
In the end I must tell you that our parents are real gods/devetas, lookafter them, love them, respect them, help them & keep them always happy, you will get the answere yourself. Regards
2. should have positive mind & thinking.
3. should have ful faith & confidence in self.
4. The musk deer enchanted by fragrance of musk, & not knowing its source, kept on running hither & thither looking for it. It was only when musk deer was dying than he realised that the good smell was coming from his own body. Similarly, please donot waste your time & energy to find the God every where, Friends it is with you, inside you & really you are part of the super power, look inside, you can see the real path & the God itself, for which one has to do following :-
1Try to understand the voice of the soul & control the Mind
2. Think & act as per direction of the soul
3. Detech/ Leave KAMA, KRODH, AHENKAR, MUDH, MOH, MAYA,LOBH
4. Control desire.
5. Love yourself, everyone & every thing including the nature.
6. Be true & honest to yourself.
7. Leave eggo, fear, enemity,jeaousy & revenge
8. Live in present.
9. Enjoy your efforts & be satisfied.
10. Be always happy & donnot ditrub happiness of others.
In the end I must tell you that our parents are real gods/devetas, lookafter them, love them, respect them, help them & keep them always happy, you will get the answere yourself. Regards
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