"Harit Pradesh" - whats this all about??

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VERBAL DUEL BETWEEN AJIT SINGH AND MULAYAM INTENSIFIES

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/955571.cms

MEERUT: The Harit Pradesh movement has led to a verbal duel between Rashtriya Lok Dal chief Ajit Singh and Uttar Pradesh chief minister and Samajwadi Party leader Mulayam Singh Yadav.

The two coalition partners (RLD and SP) are levelling charges against each other ever since Ajit launched his latest round of drive some months ago to further intensify the movement for the separate state.

Ajit has been holding meetings in different parts of western Uttar Pradesh seeking support for Harit Pradesh comprising 22 districts of the region.

Ajit even asked people to be prepared to face bullets and lathis to achieve the goal. He has openly asked students to take lead. His public meetings in western UP have been fiery. He has blasted the state government for ignoring the people of western Uttar Pradesh.

On the other hand, Mulayam, who seemed to be soft-paddling the issue for quite some time, has now come out in open against the demand terming it detrimental in the interest of the people of the state. In his latest statement at Safai Mulayam ruled out any further bifurcation of the state.

A few days before Mulayam made this statement, SP state general-secretary and MLA Ramsharan Das had declared in the House that there was no possibility of the state government moving a resolution to the Centre recommending the bifurcation of the state.

The statement infuriated RLD members across western UP. RLD leaders organised public meetings asking people in western UP to further intensify the movement.
 
I was present at Meerut College,Meerut at the time of speech of Ch. Ajit Singh.Actually his demand is very right as UP is still a very big state,and western UP people are not given enough concern.As all imp places are in Purab(east)side,and also western UP is the main source of income of UP,and almost all the money goes to eastern UP,so the demand of Harit pradesh is good,but i feel personally that Ajit is not the appropriate person for this work.
he is a very selfish person.
 
Hi,

Whilst reading up, with regards to Uttranchal: UP sarkar was not sacrificing too much - just dehradun, in return for losing a %age of SC/ST voters.

I can not see any Government wanting to part with certain parts of western UP.

Noida (Delhi overspill) and Ghaziabad are big cities with very active business and industry - especially noida.

Agra is major tourist attraction.

No UP sarkar would ever give this up.

Ch. Ajit Singh is very corrupt and unfortunately not a patch on his dad. jitna mahaan insaan Ch. Charan Singh the, utna bada namoona Ch. Ajit Singh hai.

RLD is now what is known as 'secondary' party of UP - alongside Congress and JD.

Mulayam's Samajwadi Party, brahmin-bania' BJP and chamaar/dalit's BSP make up 'primary' parties.

mulayam yaa mayawati ajit singh ke paas jaayenge jab paanch-che voto ki zaroorat padegi sarkar banaane mein.

this is reality. anybody else care to agree or disagree?
 
Dear Mr. Ramandeep,

Very well brought out. I really don't know as to whom does Ch Ajit Singh represents in his demand about the Harit Pradesh? He has hardly any political base. Whatever votes he is getting is still because of Late Ch. Charan Singh Ji.

Secondly, why is he harping about the Harit Pradesh now? Because he is not getting the booty he expected to get while joining with Mr. Mulayam Singh Yadav. I would have admitted his concern about western UP if he had demanded the same thing while he was the minister in Narsimha Rao, VP Singh and BJP governments. What he needs is money, more money and more money. I don't think he has any concern about the people like most of the politicians.

Harit Pradesh however is not a bad idea. But if we keep going on dividing the states, as had been done in recent past, then there is no end to it. Most divisions have been sought to get more people involved in politics to become minister and thus get license to amass wealth by unfair means.
 
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Harit Pradesh however is not a bad idea. But if we keep going on dividing the states, as had been done in recent past, then there is no end to it. Most divisions have been sought to get more people involved in politics to become minister and thus get license to amass wealth by unfair means.
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Totally agree Tavathia Sahab. While division solves some problems, it brings many more added problems like sharing river water etc..We all know what sort of inter-state fights start after division. If we go by world experience and our own in India, divison can not be the solution to all ills. We have to address the problems as they are and have to solve them the way things are. Any further division of states will bring more problems and will create local loards who will silence the local common people.

Rajendra
 
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/957910.cms

A damage control commission

LUCKNOW: Mulayam Singh extends a hand of friendship rarely these days and if he does it only implies a strong sense of urgency. To most it looked like an innocuous cabinet decision of creating a post of chairman for irrigation development and flood control on Monday. For political analysts, it was much more than that.

The post has been tailor-made, according to political observers, to pointedly fill the widening gulf between the Samajwadi Party and Ajit Singh's Rashrtiya Lok Dal (RLD). Highly placed sources said that the decision was squarely aimed to 'adjust' displaced former minister Anuradha Chaudhry - a decision which 'disoriented' her mentor Ajit Singh. Mulayam Singh's political antenna sensed the warning signals in time because Ajit Singh's hobnobbing with the Congress had increased ever since.

After adjustment of all former ministers in corporations and commissions, the post seems to have been created for Anuradha Chaudhry. A close confidant of Ajit Singh of Rashtriya Lok Dal, Chaudhry, who is an MP, is currently out of ministerial job after she resigned as state irrigation minister. Chief minister Mulayam Singh Yadav had no option but to accept her resignation, as she had stayed as minister even after permissible limit of six months. She had resigned from the membership of assembly in the wake of her election to Lok Sabha but had continued as a minister.

Possibilities were ripe that on the rebound the RLD would have understanding with the Congress to possibly get a role in the UPA government at the Centre. Something had to be done to avoid the cross-over. The new commission was created, obviously without much administrative reason. There exists a huge top-heavy setup of the irrigation department.
 
I think basically, Ch. Ajit Singh will never become a 'big fish' in a 'big pond' (Uttar Pradesh) like his Dad was ... actually, Ch. Charan Singh at one point became the biggest fish in the ocean (Indian PM).

Such a shame.

But I dont think fragmenting UP will be such a good idea .... looking at the map, if western UP was chopped off, I think Harit Pradesh would be taking a disproportionate %age of muslims (Aligarh, Agra etc).

I dont think it would ever become the 'jat paradise' that Ch. Ajit Singh is making it out to be.

I think its just a cheap stunt and a new gimmick. Thats all.
 
hello,

i think its a requirement of time to have separate state for western UP. western UP and eastern UP are very different and more important UP is still a big state and if you see management in smaller states, i think you would agree for smaller state too.

whether its ch. ajit singh or any body else, demand is right and we should support this demand.

and people say, that he is corrupt but i think he utilized his position whenever got chance. only thing we can say here is that probably we did not receieved as much we thought of.

and harit pradesh is just not for Jats but probably for better treatment of areas dominated by Jats.

thanks

Jitendra
 
jkthenua said:
hello,

i think its a requirement of time to have separate state for western UP. western UP and eastern UP are very different and more important UP is still a big state and if you see management in smaller states, i think you would agree for smaller state too.

whether its ch. ajit singh or any body else, demand is right and we should support this demand.

and people say, that he is corrupt but i think he utilized his position whenever got chance. only thing we can say here is that probably we did not receieved as much we thought of.

and harit pradesh is just not for Jats but probably for better treatment of areas dominated by Jats.

thanks

Jitendra
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Dear Mr. Jitendra,

If the question is about smaller state then what is the quantification of being small? Ch. Ajit Singh's demand would have been valid if he had put up this point when he was the minister. Leave aside this, Ch. Charan Singh himself was home minister, Dy Prime Minister and finally Prime Minister. I am sure he would have thought of this also. UP was even then a big state. That not withstanding, Ch. Ajit Singh can't remain without of power. Utilizing his position to get some thing for the community is good, but what has he done so far is utilized his position for his own betterment. Now Mr. Mulayam Singh has taken the steps to reinstate Mrs. Anuradha Chaudhary, I am sure Harit Pradesh demand will also get into cold storage.

What we are looking at is the motive. His motive of demanding Harit Pradesh does not have credibility required. Jats as a community still vote for him, because they don't have any alternative. But should they have one, may be Ch. Ajit Singh may find it difficult to be in business.

He inherited a very big and credible legacy. He misused it for his personal benefit. He may still manipulate it till the time an alternative Jat Leader comes up. Unfortunately Shri Chautala is also in the same boat as Ajit Singh is, but probably he has done a little better than Ch. Ajit Singh.
 
WATS ALL THIS ,R U PEOPLE ACTUALLY concerned about the common man problems ,and what r you doing is abusing a good cause .because you all are living comrtable life,This is the problem with our comunity (abusing each other).I think you people dont know ground realities. now a says a major no of farmers have small peace of land. can they survive only on that. and there are really any opportunities left for young boys in western up(except to run after delhi) .Had any one think about that. the only option left for yong generation there is to join army or police(thy work hard to get these). And what you people are doing that abusing a right cause.


2 you are also abusing Mr. Ajit Singh(i dont know why) He had done a lot to improve life standard of people uf western up(Its strange that instead of appriciating him ,you a abusing) Tell me a single name in poltics who is honest.
3 I want to ask that do you know even now a days ppl borrow money from moneylanders instead of banks(as they were doing 50 years ago)
Nothing had changed.
4 And we the educated people of our community doing what? Discussing abt "DPS MMS Clipping" This is shame .
5 and do you want to know why is this ,coz we are living a comfartable life .
main to aish kar raha hoon muze kya karna hai gaon ke logo ke bare me
6 You ppl belong to such category those visit their villages to take theri part(hissa) from land , and dont want to know how people are surviving there
7 just you want to discuss abt "nuclear strenghth of india" "dps mms cliping"
8 I had joined this group around a month ago and think that this is a wonderful group helping each other n the needed people . And what are you doing "leg pulling' This is shame.
You belong to such a category that accept defeat before going to war this is not a jat spiret.
" Who got faliure only knows the meaning of success"

Letus do somthing positive and constructive for our community and netion

Thanks
Sukhdev Singh Latiyan
 
sukhdevsingh said:
WATS ALL THIS ,R U PEOPLE ACTUALLY concerned about the common man problems ,and what r you doing is abusing a good cause .because you all are living comrtable life,This is the problem with our comunity (abusing each other).I think you people dont know ground realities. now a says a major no of farmers have small peace of land. can they survive only on that. and there are really any opportunities left for young boys in western up(except to run after delhi) .Had any one think about that. the only option left for yong generation there is to join army or police(thy work hard to get these). And what you people are doing that abusing a right cause.


2 you are also abusing Mr. Ajit Singh(i dont know why) He had done a lot to improve life standard of people uf western up(Its strange that instead of appriciating him ,you a abusing) Tell me a single name in poltics who is honest.
3 I want to ask that do you know even now a days ppl borrow money from moneylanders instead of banks(as they were doing 50 years ago)
Nothing had changed.
4 And we the educated people of our community doing what? Discussing abt "DPS MMS Clipping" This is shame .
5 and do you want to know why is this ,coz we are living a comfartable life .
main to aish kar raha hoon muze kya karna hai gaon ke logo ke bare me
6 You ppl belong to such category those visit their villages to take theri part(hissa) from land , and dont want to know how people are surviving there
7 just you want to discuss abt "nuclear strenghth of india" "dps mms cliping"
8 I had joined this group around a month ago and think that this is a wonderful group helping each other n the needed people . And what are you doing "leg pulling' This is shame.
You belong to such a category that accept defeat before going to war this is not a jat spiret.
" Who got faliure only knows the meaning of success"

Letus do somthing positive and constructive for our community and netion

Thanks
Sukhdev Singh Latiyan
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Dear Mr Latiyan,

You have made sweeping remarks almost on everyone here. Of course there are people who belong to the catagory you have described, however, majority of us are very sincere to the cause of our society. We maintain very intense relationship with our roots. Now let me come to some of the points you have raised;

1. May I ask you as to who has made all the mess, we are in today? Did we, the ones who could find our ways out, made all this mess in our villages? Hope you know how people play politics in every village, in every panchayat election and in every committee of a school or college.

2. Do you think we all here belong to the class of people who get our share of agriculture produce from our brothers in village ? If not all, most of us claim nothing and additionally we invest a very handsome amount in village to strengthen the positions of those who are left behind. Many of us have either started or about to start educational institutions etc in our villages. Those who claim shares are the one who have never grwon up mentally and are working in jobs like Delhi police or in some other small jobs..

3. Who stopped all these jat boys to study hard and become like us ? Most of us have come out of those very schools and collges where there were no chairs to sit and no buildings. When we used to study, many of our classmates used to create trouble for everyone else. Do you want to blame us for all their problems?

4. You have sensitised my emotions today and I can not stop writing something which I never wished to share with any one. My father was also a very marginal farmer and could barely afford mine and my brother's educational expenses. We saw him working hard to support us. There was no electricity in our home and we used to study in our sugarcane and wheat fileds, just to be away from village troubles. We really worked very hard and gave up every pleasure of life to make upto this point. I used to help my fellow classmates for their studies. Those who joined my group are all well settled in life. Those who treated us like poor farmers son, are all there in village..
So moral of my writing is that people become what they are by their choice and not because of someone like us who has worked very hard and honestly to reach to this point.

5. Raising fingers is the simplest thing one can do.. May I ask you now if you don't mind. What have you done to help the situation in your own village? I will become your follower once I know your contributions to your village and to the family of your brothers.

Rajendra
 
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Dear Rajendra Ji,

You have hit the nail on head. Mr. Sukhdev Singh has also mentioned that Ch. Ajit Singh has done a lot to improve the the condition of people in Western UP. I would like to know the details of that LOT?

Probably Mr. Sukhdev Singh is not aware, that I have spent most of my life in my village. I have seen in my own village young boys used to make a joke of a boy who could not afford a nice trouser to go to school. They used to tall him "Phati pant wala". This boy used to come to me for help, and I used to enjoy teaching him. Today those who used to make a joke of him are in the village, while this boy is a senior Engineer in Delhi. He did not have the enough opportunities, but he worked hard and got what he has today. Those who laughed at him at that time, are now doing what? Telling every one that those educated are not taking care of the village. I have seen most of the educated people do help their families and any one from the village who comes to them. But even these educated people have their own limitations. What people on this forum has said about Ch. Ajit Singh's demand for Harit Pradesh. How will Harit Pradesh improve the job conditions and land holdings in villages? What will be the effect of another state on the gove exchequer and from where that money will come from? We will only have another set of politicians and bureaucrats to milk the tax payers money and hard earned money of the poor people.

I just want to know, if Harit Pradesh was such a great idea, why Mr. Ajit Singh did not raise this issue when he had been in power, and he had been in power in most governments.
 
Hello
both of you people are reight on your points,and i feel extreemly sorry if i had hurted someone's feelings. I want to explain my view further and the questions you had pointed in the reply
1 what Mr. Ajit Singh did ?
When he was a minister , he helped to establish a no of suger mills (specilally in western up) Thus by improving the condition of farmers there.Now farmers are getting resnable price for their sugercane productions.
this is a simple example i had pointed that what he did
I am not saying that he is totally a perfect person and did everything right till now, I also did not like his ideas to changing parties etc, But what i want to say that letus see what positive he had done(may be it is less).
Thus we can appriciate him for his positiveness
2 i also want to raise a question in this fouram , that we the educated people of our community can do somthing for our society.....cant we have a leader among us ,as we r educated n experienced?
3 for this we can have a small starting and letus growup......


About the second point that what i did for my community and do i know certain magics to help ,improve condition of the people......
Yes i want to help people, my age is 24 years . And what i can say till now and currently i m bussy in making my career ( You can say i m helping only myself and not doing anything for others in need)
So from my side i can only help the young boys to advice them about their career and the information i had. I am always ready to do this.
I am searching job since past few months and working hard to get a job(I had done MCA). all this i am doing honestly and i had financial support from my family.I am not asking anyone to give me a job here , what i need only the guidence.
I want to thanks the member of this fouram who are helping me and giving useful advices.
" i defenitly want to do somthing for the people in need, this wish is in my heart and i will do it with my all abilities.
I think you will understand and guide me for this cause.

3 One more point had been raised in response to my post " do i know some magic to help others" No i dont know. What i know is that we can help and do what we can according to our capabilities. We can motivate others to do this." Doing small things will make a big thing"

Today after reading this what i had done for others, I am thinking about this, and dont know the answer? Till now you can say i had done for myself....I worked hard throughout my studies only for me?.............I think myself a selfis person?....
But i know one thing by helping myself i will be able to do somthing for others. I am confident about this .yes i will do whenever and whatever i can do.

I feel sorry for Mr Rajendra Kumar kalkhande ji,My intention was not to hurt you.I also belong to a similar family background and a lot of people belongs the same.
And i dont want to hide this from anyone. This was an opportunity given by god to us ,
I also want to congrats you that you had utilze this opportunity not only for you but for others also.
This is what i can say
I am still in learning process and says what my heart feels.

Thanks
sukhdev singh
 
Dear Sukhdev,

Yes you are right as far as Sugar mills are concerned. However, he could have done much more for himself and the area, had he played his cards well.

Rajendra
 
Dear Mr. Sukhdev Singh,

Firstly, the discussion is here on Mr. Ajit Singh's demand for Harit Pradesh, whether or not it is justified. All of us have different opinion on this issue and that is a good sign.

Now regarding helping people in our villages. Firstly, you are only 24 and the fact that you are doing yourself well in your studies, you are helping people to follow you as a role model. Helping is not only by money, it is by inspiration, guidance and little contribution here and there. First you need to get settled yourself and then you will be able to make a lot of contribution to your village folks.

Ch. Charan Singh was the one who first showed the way and got the right price of Sugercane to the farmers when he was the CM of UP, way back in 1969. Getting a few sugercane mills opened in the sugercane belt is not a big achievement. This thing probably would have happened as part of the normal development process. I am not sure if those mills were opened by the initiative taken by Ch. Ajit Singh or he just got the credit for that. Opening the suger mills is a state governments responsibility and I had not seen any time Ajit Singh having any say in State Govt functioning, specially when Mayawati or Mulayam Singh were in power. Even with BJP, I don't think he had more influence on BJP leadership then Mr. Sompal Shastri.

Any way if he did get some suger mills opened then, it is good, for he has been representing the area for over two decades now.
 
I haven't read all articles in this chain, but smaller states are good for rapid development. I support Harit Pradesh. When Haryana became state it was having only seven districts. A smaller state provides easy access to administration for development. I think peacefully step by step it would be nice to have a Harit Pradesh.
 
To Mr Sukhdev Singh and all other supporters of 'Harit Pradesh',

http://mapsofindia.com/maps/uttarpradesh/uttar-pradesh-district.htm

Here is a district map of UP.

Please give me (and others) a rough idea of what districts would become part of this Harit Pradesh.


Other points I would like to add on this issue:

1. Looking at the map, I'm inclined to think that places like Aligarh would become part of Harit Pradesh. I dont know if any of you have heard of the concept of 'Trojan Horse'. Here in the UK, people are debating whether or not Turkey should join the European Union - because if it did, it would become the first muslim state in Europe and who knows? could in the future create problems.

Similarly, Harit Pradesh would have too high a %age of muslims - perhaps they might become the main beneficiaries of a new carved out state and not the Jats as we are being led to believe.

Also, in UP, the finer higher education institutions are in places like Lucknow,Kanpur etc.

In Harit Pradesh - would Aligarh Muslim University (AMU) become the top college??? Do we really want a "Jat state" where Jats are going to end up second to muslims???

2. On Ch. Ajit Singh - he is a poor practitioner of his father's legacy. His father built up a political empire with Baghpat as the base. "AJGaR" (Ahirs/Yadavs-Jaats-Gujjars&Rajputs) was his winning combo. Ch. Ajit has failed in all departments especially in unifying kissan - even such lows as suffering defeats to people like Sompal!

Thats embarrassing! Like Kenya beating India in the cricket.

I agree with Col Sahab - that if another half decent Jat candidate was promoted in w.UP from either Samajwadi Party or even BJP(!), Ch. Ajit Singh would be in trouble.

Ram Ram.
 
How many Jat District do we have in western UP (Harit Pradesh). I think if we have 10 Jat districts, then it would be enough to make Harit Pradesh. Why are you asking 18 or so?
 
Dear All,

It is a misconception that Aligarh has more Muslim population. Actually, traditionally, except Aligarh City, which is predominently muslim, Aligarh District does not have majority of Muslim Population.

Now the main point of Harit Pradesh. Do we want a Harit Pradesh of Jat Pradesh? I thought the purpose of asking for Harit Pradesh was to have a smaller states as many members have tried to justify.

If we are discussing purely on the demography of these districts, then we will find more muslims in, Saharanpur, Muzaffurnagar, Meerut and Moradabad districts than Aligarh itself. Regarding major educational institutions. I don't know if Roorkee is in Uttaranchal or UP as of today. If it is still in UP then it would be part of Harit Pradesh. If we have a vision, will and purpose, I am sure we can always create better institution in the so called Harit Pradesh. AMU is one of the very good institution purely because it has funds available to buy best equipment available, but then it discriminates between Muslims and others. We should be asking our secular parties to stop this practice in this or for that matter any other institutions. Purely for the point of ruling or dominating a particular state we as a community neither stand a chance nor we should try for it. Unless we want a state comprising of only Bharatpur, Mathura and probably Agra and Dholpur districts. How much have we ruled the Haryana state per say. Even if Ch. Bansilal was ruling, he was part of Congress and not part of any so called Jat Party as we have started to believe. And what have we achieved extra when our so called Jat leaders have ruled the state.

The fact is Ch. Ajit Singh's demand is based on keeping his personal political agenda in mind and not the community as such. We probably may be better of as a community to remain away from opportunist leaders. He has never been a stable member of his own parties, what do you think will he be a stable member of community. His interest in the community has always been only to garner vote bank Ch. Charan Singh created for him.

I have said in my earlier posts that why did he not demand the Harit Pradesh when he was in power. He remembers the community only when he is out of power. To me Ch. Ajit Singh does not hold any credibility even though his intentions in asking for Harit Pradesh may be genuine.

By the way, I was there in India during last February and March and attended one of Ch. Ajit Singh's meeting at Aligarh itself. What I learnt there was a shock for me. One of the local Jat Leader wanted his party's ticket to contest Aligarh seat, Ch. Ajit Singh I was told had demanded Rs. one Crore to give his party's ticket to a Jat Candidate. Go to Aligarh and you will find the truth.
 
hello everybody,

today when we discuss any thing about UP, we always talk about western, central and eastern UP. even if you consider the functioning of most of the organisation in UP they also follow the division either 2 or 3 major division.

I personally don't have any thing to say about Ajit Singh. but i just want to say that we should support harit pradesh.

I think, it is not a direct issue whether muslims or jats will be beneficiary of this state. i think it should some how help everybody in that part of state.
I am from Iglas tehsil of Aligarh district and I just want to mention here that It is having around 70% jat population. so you just can not say that Aligarh is Muslim dominated District.

I would like to appreciate the comments from Rajendra ji.
and just like to tell, that i am in process of making my career and i extended my support to my village people when ever they need. I definately like to intiate a school in my village, as it is dream of my father who use to go 10 kms on foot during his schooling.

aur teotiaji (ur from my mother's side),
we tried to be role model in our village, especially my younger brother, who secured higest mark in science 99/100 in 10th std. in UP Board, then 13rd rank in 12th Std. and now serving in ISRO as scientist after completing MTech. I have seen that enthu towards good education increased a lot in my relatives and village people.

thanks for encouraging such efforts in this forum.










chhoraharyanada said:
To Mr Sukhdev Singh and all other supporters of 'Harit Pradesh',

http://mapsofindia.com/maps/uttarpradesh/uttar-pradesh-district.htm

Here is a district map of UP.

Please give me (and others) a rough idea of what districts would become part of this Harit Pradesh.


Other points I would like to add on this issue:

1. Looking at the map, I'm inclined to think that places like Aligarh would become part of Harit Pradesh. I dont know if any of you have heard of the concept of 'Trojan Horse'. Here in the UK, people are debating whether or not Turkey should join the European Union - because if it did, it would become the first muslim state in Europe and who knows? could in the future create problems.

Similarly, Harit Pradesh would have too high a %age of muslims - perhaps they might become the main beneficiaries of a new carved out state and not the Jats as we are being led to believe.

Also, in UP, the finer higher education institutions are in places like Lucknow,Kanpur etc.

In Harit Pradesh - would Aligarh Muslim University (AMU) become the top college??? Do we really want a "Jat state" where Jats are going to end up second to muslims???

2. On Ch. Ajit Singh - he is a poor practitioner of his father's legacy. His father built up a political empire with Baghpat as the base. "AJGaR" (Ahirs/Yadavs-Jaats-Gujjars&Rajputs) was his winning combo. Ch. Ajit has failed in all departments especially in unifying kissan - even such lows as suffering defeats to people like Sompal!

Thats embarrassing! Like Kenya beating India in the cricket.

I agree with Col Sahab - that if another half decent Jat candidate was promoted in w.UP from either Samajwadi Party or even BJP(!), Ch. Ajit Singh would be in trouble.

Ram Ram.
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