HC stops Jat Mahapanchayat

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yashmalik said:
Vikas Rathee, bro please dont mind but do one thing here - replace that Jat Girl who married a chamar with your sister for one moment and now let me know your answer.

Again we are crossing swords on a different thread Yash. Nevermind:) .

Ask this question to me. If my sister had done the same thing, I would have stood by her.

I love my sister who is flesh and blood and would any day give preference to her wishes over an abstract thing like society and Prathistha, which is faceless and I can not touch.

What has this society of yours done to prevent vices like foeticide and say dowery which are so rampant in this jat samaj? Have you heard of any panchayat where perpetrators of such a heinous crimes were lynched publicly and hanged by their neck?
 
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panward said:
Read your previous post. You said "Great Europe". What was so great about them? Probably that, they undertook the "white man's burden" and liberated all of us from otherwise condemned lives!



I've no illusions about my intelligence and I admitted it in an earlier post. So I won't hesitate to say I find myself even more baffled every time I read you. Why? Just go through what you write:

1) I am a conservative-liberal (very convenient. Having best of both worlds, if I may quote you!)

2) Jaatni can not marry chamar in any case. Jat can marry chamari and it is an offence but an acceptable one.

3) I like debating you......... don't debate me just because you want to be against me (Another Bushism. If you are not with me, you are against me.)

4) My beliefs are based on social and historical fatcs. (The only fact you gave was the that French one where you lamented that those Frenchies were losing their "Frenchness" and what's their Frenchness? These very Frenchmen massacered millions in central and west Africa while it was under their subjugation! OK this was during imperialism but even in the 20th century, these Frenchies provoked genocide in Rawanda claiming another 800,000 people.)




Look Mr Hammu Rabi (since you are drafting codes of law for us here), I don't know you or your family neither am I interested in doing that. Read my post and you will find I said, "I am sorry to say these remarks (Attn)are terribly fuedal and sexist". I did not say that you are sexist, however, if you think the latter was implied, I am not sorry for that.

Your conviction in what you think is admirable but then I might have to admire Osama bin laden for what he thinks and does!

Lastly, I am happy that not everyone here on this site shares this neo-Nazi ideology and some are "neo liberals" like us.





I have no problem with you agreeing to any one sir. And I am happy that you said, "On a personal note...." rather asserting and generalising your thoughts for the whole society. You are free to think and do what you like, at the same time I should be allowed to do what I damn well please.



I don't know who is mistaking and misquoting Kharub. He said he does not believe in superiority and inferiority. Leave it. Tell me five things which make us jats superior. I will give you ten which make us beast like.

May be the place you hail from has jats who have just descended from heaven. In my area, half the young guys of my community are only good at lasciviously leering and passing lewd remark at womanfolk while scratching their crotch in public.

Another 30 per cent or so are dropouts who haven't cleared matriculate exam despite several efforts and now roam around highways after dusk to carry out a theft or robbery.

I think, and I mn I think, it was a sensible decision on that girls part to go for a chamaar guy rather than going for one of those above mentioned types.

It is time for us stop taking ourselves too seriously and start looking our flaws which are there to be seen. May be then after some time, we would be able say, yes we are a good (not superior) community.

Regards
-Daksh
daksh, u r getting away frm origional negotiation, which is intercast marriage.wht u had mention tht there are jaat guyz who havn"t able to clear matriculate exams and some passing lewd remarks , makes jaat community inferior to others?i would like to ask u in which other community these unfair practises and illiteracy doesn't exits, tell me which other community has superior qualities then jaat"s.
JAAT"S ARE SUPERIOR COZ THEY ARE POWERFULL, PATRIOTIC,FARMERS(the most reputated occupation of the world),all jaat's follows same tradition, language,background.
in the end ,i am stick to my opinion tht intercast marriage is not good for jaat race and the recently incident of marriage of jaat n chamaar is pathetic and shamefull.
 
By the way Yash....

yashmalik said:
Vikas Rathee, bro please dont mind but do one thing here - replace that Jat Girl who married a chamar with your sister for one moment and now let me know your answer.

Now that both me and Rathee have answered your question, would you mind telling us what would have been your reaction, in this hypothetical situation, if it were your sister?

I guess, you would have tried to anull that marriage, but what if she would been fiorm on her decision? Would you have killed her then? (Accept my apologies in advance if I've gone too personal)
 
balrajsejwal said:
daksh, u r getting away frm origional negotiation, which is intercast marriage.wht u had mention tht there are jaat guyz who havn"t able to clear matriculate exams and some passing lewd remarks , makes jaat community inferior to others?i would like to ask u in which other community these unfair practises and illiteracy doesn't exits, tell me which other community has superior qualities then jaat"s.
JAAT"S ARE SUPERIOR COZ THEY ARE POWERFULL, PATRIOTIC,FARMERS(the most reputated occupation of the world),all jaat's follows same tradition, language,background.
in the end ,i am stick to my opinion tht intercast marriage is not good for jaat race and the recently incident of marriage of jaat n chamaar is pathetic and shamefull.

I respect your opinion in toto, it's just that I don't subscribe to them.
And my opinion on your opinion is:

All generalisations are false including this one - Oscar Wilde
 
hehe

jab dil aya ghadhey pe to chand kya chiiz he !;) :D

well, PRADA glares?!!

vikaskundu said:
inter caste marriage karni to nahi chaiye especailly to chamar...but it is an individuals decision......

"jab dil aya gadhe pe to chand kya cheez hai"
 
Freedom of individuals is supreme . If a Jat girl has decided to marry a Harijan boy and accept his caste, who are we to question her. Ofcourse we can exercise our freedom to disown her if we wish so.. Matter should end here.

RK^2
 
On the advice of some respected elders @ Jatland and Rajendra Ji's comments, i will retire form this discussion.

All my beliefs are stated in previous posts backed by logical argument and a clear discussion .... A failure to understand it, due to a lack of logical and rational thinking is not my fault .....

A bird newly set free from its cage .. thinks he can fly around the whole world in one go .. and then dies of exhaustion ..... this is your story ....
 
jaats were not the victim of tht incident vj,,,everybody new tht jats will going to do tht,,they will going to put the houses on fire....why do u think chamars didnt die in tht incident,,,they had been evacuated beforehand....this is all poltics,,and why shd we bother,,,,,even i dont support the jat and chamar marriage,,and how many people who support will marry them,,i am not against it,,but jo izzat apani caste maine se vo kissi aur maine nahin,,,jab uss chori ke parents koi prob nahin hai to why shd we say something,,,,i am sure she must have seen something in tht guy,,,,,,,,,
vjkharub said:
and for your kind information what happened in sonepat - do you even know what happened there ... or you get all your information form the Jat bashing media .....

THEY KILLED A JAT YOUTH MERCILESSLY - THEY KILLED HIM LIKE AN AMINAL , BECAUSE HE PROTESTED AGAINT THEIR THUGGERY AND INDECENT PUBLIC BEHAVIOUR ......

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT MATE ....... YOU JUST MADE MY BLOOD BOIL ....

JATS WERE THE VICTIM IN THAT SONEPAT INCEDENCE ......

the valmikis started that bloody thing in sonepat ...... Jats just reacted and thay too not properly ... and then the Valmikis got hefty compensation from the state government - as a reward for slaying a JAT ......
 
i know a guy whose father is jat and mother is american..............does it mean he is not jat??????its not about JAT identity its about an individual's identiy and life.......had she been married to any jat guy and wud have suffered then???????if u think that way its good for you.......you marry anyone you want to......but u have no rights to oppose anyone's decision when u r not concerned.......someone's whole life depends on it.......but trying to mess one's life is not fair.
vjkharub said:
is it not clear that I am talking about the Jat identity - i thought it was obvious .....

Our ethnic identity - our social position and customs - our genetic identity - our identity as people -

WHY DO NOT THINK YOU HAVE ANY STRONG AND PARTICULAR JAT IDENTITY ???

CAN YOU NOT IMAGINE IT YOURSELF ???
 
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Agar itna pyar aa raha hai jato ko baaki sab par to jatland moderators se request hai meri k jatland ka naam badal kar chamarland kar do

aur ye jo gussa dikhayee de raha hai kisi ke bhi against matlab ye ugra bhawnaiyein ye darshati hain ki aap jat ho

Believe in ur community I M Proud To be a JAT n if somebody says against it it hurts me

Sabke apni apni soch hoti hai ise koi nahi rok sakta aur mera man-na ye hai ki ye panchayat humari identity ko bachane ki koshis kar rahi hain

aur jo kehta hai ki doosri caste mein shadi karne se kuch nahi hota to ye use tab pata lagta hai jab woh apne bacho ki sadi karne ki koshis karta hai

meine ek aisa incident dekha hai jab ek admi ne doosri caste mein saadi ki thee aur apni beti ki saadi karne ke liye use kitnee problems uthani padi

mere chote bhai (my cousin) n intercaste marriege ki hai iklota hone ke bawjood mere parivar wale use ghar se nikal chuke hain aage ki mein nahi keh sakta lekin abhi bhi humare khoon mein woh jat wali garmi hai aur aaj hum yahan hain kyonki hum apni caste mein believe karte hain
 
rakeshsehrawat said:
Agar itna pyar aa raha hai jato ko baaki sab par to jatland moderators se request hai meri k jatland ka naam badal kar chamarland kar do

aur ye jo gussa dikhayee de raha hai kisi ke bhi against matlab ye ugra bhawnaiyein ye darshati hain ki aap jat ho

Believe in ur community I M Proud To be a JAT n if somebody says against it it hurts me

Sabke apni apni soch hoti hai ise koi nahi rok sakta aur mera man-na ye hai ki ye panchayat humari identity ko bachane ki koshis kar rahi hain

aur jo kehta hai ki doosri caste mein shadi karne se kuch nahi hota to ye use tab pata lagta hai jab woh apne bacho ki sadi karne ki koshis karta hai

meine ek aisa incident dekha hai jab ek admi ne doosri caste mein saadi ki thee aur apni beti ki saadi karne ke liye use kitnee problems uthani padi

mere chote bhai (my cousin) n intercaste marriege ki hai iklota hone ke bawjood mere parivar wale use ghar se nikal chuke hain aage ki mein nahi keh sakta lekin abhi bhi humare khoon mein woh jat wali garmi hai aur aaj hum yahan hain kyonki hum apni caste mein believe karte hain

Bhai Rakesh,

Yeh sab to insaan ko pehle sochna chahiye ki uske ess kadam ka kiya fal hogaa. If some one has decided to marry outside caste then why should he or she worry about marrying his/ her kids in the same caste? Honestly we should not bother at all about such things. Let this be individual affair and let them be solely responsible for their actions. Community should not get involved at all in individual marital affairs unless they are against the Hindu marriage act as defined in constitution.

RK^2
 
panward said:
What has this society of yours done to prevent vices like foeticide and say dowery which are so rampant in this jat samaj? Have you heard of any panchayat where perpetrators of such a heinous crimes were lynched publicly and hanged by their neck?

I really feel sad when some members of our own community in their discussion fervo say baseless and unheard things which give a bad name to our community.

Dowery rampant in jats..????????

Which samaj are you talking about daksh.
And our khaps are most vigilant as far as this social evil is concerned issuing direction time and again to follow rule of five baratis and no dowry.
we could not achieve 100% results but efforts of our elders via khaps are 100% in this regard.I don't remember a single khap who has not passed this resolution if you know any tell me.

Second this foeticide is beyond the scope of enforcebale resolutions and khaps do talk about this problem. lastly this foeticide is present in every group and efforts of our elders in this regard are not lesser than any other samaj.

So don't say any thing without any base which throw a bad light on our society and elders.

No offence ment.
 
Agreed that community have no right to interfere if some one marry outside this community.

But wiil you agree that it has the right to say that you are not a part of our community if you don't follow customs and traditions of our community.
 
rkumar said:
Bhai Rakesh,

Yeh sab to insaan ko pehle sochna chahiye ki uske ess kadam ka kiya fal hogaa. If some one has decided to marry outside caste then why should he or she worry about marrying his/ her kids in the same caste? Honestly we should not bother at all about such things. Let this be individual affair and let them be solely responsible for their actions. Community should not get involved at all in individual marital affairs unless they are against the Hindu marriage act as defined in constitution.

RK^2

Sir please tell me what abt marriying a muslim gal
m i hindu or muslim????

which act applies on me?????Hindu or muslim?????
i m little bit weak in these matters and don't like intercaste marrieges
 
Totally Pathetic And Bullshit

chhillar said:
Ke saang he yo???? Do they really represent mind set of people of those many villages or just self styled​





This is the news in today's The Tribune​




HC stops Jat Mahapanchayat​






Inter-caste marriage in Bhiwani​










Maneesh Chhibber​







Chandigarh, June 9
Taking strong note of the unlawful and unconstitutional activities of self-styled representatives of the Jats, the Punjab and Haryana High Court today directed the district administration of Bhiwani not to allow the proposed Mahapanchayat of representatives of the community from 84 villages in Bhiwani district of Haryana to be held on June 11.
The vacation Bench headed by Mr Justice K.S. Garewal has also ordered that complete protection of a newly-wed couple and their respective families be ensured.
This order was passed on the petition filed by Surinder Kumar of Kharkari village in Bhiwani district. The self-styled leaders of the Jat community had been making life difficult for Surinder and his wife as they had married out of their respective castes. While the boy belongs to the cobbler caste, the girl belonged to the Jat community.
Highlighting his and his family’s plight, the boy had sought directions to the district administration and the police to safeguard their lives and rights.
In his petition, Surinder had stated that he got married to Poonam of Dhaman village in Sonepat district at a ceremony held in the girl’s village in May. Both families were present in the ceremony. The girl’s father, Mr Kishan Kumar, is a Subedar in the Indian Army.
While Surinder is employed with a private sector bank, Poonam is a trained staff nurse. Both were in love with each other for sometime before getting married.
Trouble began, when the bridegroom brought his wife to his native village in Bhiwani. On coming to know that he had married an upper-caste girl, the self-styled representatives of the Jat community of the village held a panchayat and questioned the marriage.
They issued a diktat to both families to dissolve the marriage or face consequences.
Refusing to bow before the unlawful pressure being put on them, the newly-weds went to Bhiwani to get the marriage registered. However, there, Poonam was allegedly forcibly picked up by members of her caste and taken away. The boy and others
who were accompanying him were also beaten up.
Even though an FIR was got registered on May 23, no action was reportedly taken by the police and the girl was not united with her husband.
In fact, the petition says she might have been forcibly married off to a member of her caste.
Thereafter, on May 25, Jats of nine villages held a panchayat at Singani village(Bhiwani), in which over 6,000 persons were reportedly present. The girl’s father was also summoned to the panchayat and told to dissolve the marriage.
Here, the boy’s family was directed to return all the dowry items and also foot the expenses of the panchayat.
Still not satisfied, a maha panchayat was also ordered to be convened on June 11, where a decision about the future course of action against the members of the cobbler caste residing in the boy’s village was to be taken.
The case is yet another instance of high-handedness by co-called guardians of the caste system. In his particular case, the self-styled leaders of the Jat community were making life miserable for the entire cobbler community as a boy of their community had dared to marry a Jat girl.
Not only had the self-styled custodians of the community forcibly separated the couple, the girl had also been allegedly forced to marry another boy of her own community.
Apparently not satisfied with the punishment meted out to the boy and his family, the Jats had told them to leave their houses and go away from the village.
Surprisingly, the district’s civil and police administration did not wake up to the situation and allowed it to worsen. This is not the first such case in Haryana. Earlier also, it was the High Court that had intervened to safeguard the lives of the weaker sections facing the wrath of the influential, powerful higher class.



How can another totally unrelated person can decide which girl/guy should marry whom! it is totally pathetic mindset of frustrated people who claim to be Choudharies!

I TOTALLY CONDEMN THIS ACT OF BARBARISM BY THE MAHAPANCHAYAT!
IT REFLECTS THEIR HOLLOW MINDSET FIGHTING ON BULLSHIT ISSUES!

WHY DOENT THIS MAHAPANCHAYAT CONCENTRATE ON FIGHTING FOR EDUCATION ELECTRICITY BETTER SCHOOLS AND HOSPITALS ENSURING RESERVATION TO ECONOMICALLY BACKWARD OF OUR CASTE ( JATS OF HARYANA ARE ONLY THE ONLY JATS WHO DONT HAVE ANY RESERAVATION AN CENTRE OTR STATE)

I URGE EVERY JAT TO CONDEMN THIS PUBLICALLY AND I AM SURE ANYONE WITH A SLIGHT GREY MATTER WILL DO THIS

WE SHOULD FIGHT FOR EDUCATION JOBS AND THE BETTERMENT OF OUR SOCIETY RATHER THAN THESE BULLSHIT ISSUES
OTHERWISE WE WILL BE LEFT MILES BEHIND OTHER CASTES

I AGREE A CHAMAR IS A PERSON OF LOWER CASTE BUT HE IS ALSO A HUMAN BEING WHOSE BLOOD IS RED LIKE US WHO ALSO HAS GOT THE SAME EMOTIONS AS ANY HUMAN BEING HE ALSO FEELS HUNGRY THIRSTY LIKE US AND HE ALSO EATS ROTI AND SABZI!

AND DOES THE MAHAPANCHAYAT THINKS THAT THE GIRL IS A FOOL OR THE CHAMAR HAS HYNOTISED HER! SHE IS A MATURE HUMAN BEING AND SHE CAN DECIDE THE BEST FOR HER!

WHY SHE DECIDED TO MARRY A CHAMAR SINCE SHE FELT THERE ARE NOT SUFFICIENT EDUCATED PEOPLE WHO TREAT A WOMEN AS A HUMAN BEING IN HER CASTE OR MAYBE SHE DIDNT HAD A HANDSOME DOWRY TO PAY OR MORE SIMPLY SHE FELL IN LOVE

FALLING IN LOVE WITH ANY PERSON IS NOT A CRIME WHEN THEY HAVE DECIDED TO GET MARRIED!

THE MAHAPANCHAYAT SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON PROVIDING EDUCATION AND HEALTH FACILITIES TO PEOPLE OF OUR CASTE RATHER THAN THESE BULLSHIT ISSUES

AND I AM ALSO A JAT OF BHIWANI DISTRICT THEY DONT REPRESENT MY MINDSET AND I URGE ALL JATS AND PARTICULARLY THOSE OF MY DISTRICT(BHIWANI) TO CONDEMN THIS!

AND THANKS A LOT TO AMIT CHILLAR, POONAM SANSANWAL, VIKAS RATHEE, D PANWAR, RITU CHOUDHARY,RK SIR AND DEEPIKA SINGHROHA I READ YOUR VIEWS AND I KNOW I AM NOT ALONE THINKING IN THAT WAY BUT I WILL SAY MOST WILL THINK IN THAT WAY

AND VJ KHARAB MARRYING A PERSON OF OTHER CASTE WILL NOT LOSSEN OUR IDENTITY BUT IF WE WILL CONTINUE THIS HOLLOW MINDSET THE DAY IS NOT FAR WHEN JATS WILL BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SOCIAL STRUCTURE BUT I AM A SURE THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN SINCE MAJORITY OF JATS THINK IN MY WAY!
 
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narenderkharb said:
But wiil you agree that it has the right to say that you are not a part of our community if you don't follow customs and traditions of our community.

Yes why not. Its very much within democratic rights of the community or individuals to expell or admit some one. I see nothing wrong in it. Even father can disown his son I suppose. Both parties are within their rights to act democratically and peacefully. If my child has right to marry as per his/ her wish, I too have my rights to express my likes or dislikes in a democratic manner. Who can stop me?

RK^2
 
rakeshsehrawat said:
Sir please tell me what abt marriying a muslim gal
m i hindu or muslim????

which act applies on me?????Hindu or muslim?????
i m little bit weak in these matters and don't like intercaste marrieges

Norms ( and not the rule) under such matters are that the girl adopts the caste or relegion of the boy. You are very much within your rights not to like intercaste marriages and no one can stop your views on this. However, you can not force your views on others either. As par Muslim law a girl will cease to remain Muslim once she marries a non-muslim.

RK^2
 
HC Stops Jat MahaPanchayat

Dear All

As per the Govt rules as far as I know The Couple is to be rewarded by a reward of RS 25000.

R.S.Dahiya
 
Well guys,

I don't believe in this khaps and panchayats, but my point of view is clear and straight forward regardless of what u feel.

A jat is a jat and chamaar is chamaar. No comparasions.

What you think about the parents who allowed their daughter to marry with a chamaar ? Do they have real Jat Blood ? Well, i have doubts.

Maybe some modern jats with some beautifully written thoughts may feel proud on this marriage but i am feeling ashamed about it.

Over to you.........................
 
Dear All,

I feel sitting in our homes... writing somethings over the net... Would hardly change the situation... The Mahapanchayat is condemned widely, but what would this lead us to, tomorrow again such things will get up and again we will sit here and condemn this???

We have had words many a times on this and other NAIVE looking issues... That this is our society and we are brought up in such a manner and shall accept the supremacy of elders.... But... We need to start to know the truth!!!! That ones life is his or her sole property and no one;... No one shall try to have his or her right over this.....

A JATNI marrying a CHAMAR... What difference does this make???? Nothing..... But... I have read people saying this fakes their identity!!!!!! Which rule book says that a Jat or a Jatni is not fre to choose his or her life????

Come... let us unite against this barbaric unwritten law... which brings shame to us... atleast me... of calling myself a Jat!!!!!This alone.... That.... I am not free to choose my life!!!!!!!! Why???

What can we do??? Dudee ji, Rajendra ji, Kharab ji, and all other seniors.... how can we come to fore against this?? Now.. talking won't lead to a way out!!!!!!

Cheers!!

Shobhit Deshwal
 
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