HC stops Jat Mahapanchayat

[chhillar]

Ke saang he yo???? Do they really represent mind set of people of those many villages or just self styled​

This is the news in today's The Tribune​

HC stops Jat Mahapanchayat​

Inter-caste marriage in Bhiwani​

Maneesh Chhibber​

Chandigarh, June 9
Taking strong note of the unlawful and unconstitutional activities of self-styled representatives of the Jats, the Punjab and Haryana High Court today directed the district administration of Bhiwani not to allow the proposed Mahapanchayat of representatives of the community from 84 villages in Bhiwani district of Haryana to be held on June 11.
The vacation Bench headed by Mr Justice K.S. Garewal has also ordered that complete protection of a newly-wed couple and their respective families be ensured.
This order was passed on the petition filed by Surinder Kumar of Kharkari village in Bhiwani district. The self-styled leaders of the Jat community had been making life difficult for Surinder and his wife as they had married out of their respective castes. While the boy belongs to the cobbler caste, the girl belonged to the Jat community.
Highlighting his and his family’s plight, the boy had sought directions to the district administration and the police to safeguard their lives and rights.
In his petition, Surinder had stated that he got married to Poonam of Dhaman village in Sonepat district at a ceremony held in the girl’s village in May. Both families were present in the ceremony. The girl’s father, Mr Kishan Kumar, is a Subedar in the Indian Army.
While Surinder is employed with a private sector bank, Poonam is a trained staff nurse. Both were in love with each other for sometime before getting married.
Trouble began, when the bridegroom brought his wife to his native village in Bhiwani. On coming to know that he had married an upper-caste girl, the self-styled representatives of the Jat community of the village held a panchayat and questioned the marriage.
They issued a diktat to both families to dissolve the marriage or face consequences.
Refusing to bow before the unlawful pressure being put on them, the newly-weds went to Bhiwani to get the marriage registered. However, there, Poonam was allegedly forcibly picked up by members of her caste and taken away. The boy and others who were accompanying him were also beaten up.
Even though an FIR was got registered on May 23, no action was reportedly taken by the police and the girl was not united with her husband.
In fact, the petition says she might have been forcibly married off to a member of her caste.
Thereafter, on May 25, Jats of nine villages held a panchayat at Singani village(Bhiwani), in which over 6,000 persons were reportedly present. The girl’s father was also summoned to the panchayat and told to dissolve the marriage.
Here, the boy’s family was directed to return all the dowry items and also foot the expenses of the panchayat.
Still not satisfied, a maha panchayat was also ordered to be convened on June 11, where a decision about the future course of action against the members of the cobbler caste residing in the boy’s village was to be taken.
The case is yet another instance of high-handedness by co-called guardians of the caste system. In his particular case, the self-styled leaders of the Jat community were making life miserable for the entire cobbler community as a boy of their community had dared to marry a Jat girl.
Not only had the self-styled custodians of the community forcibly separated the couple, the girl had also been allegedly forced to marry another boy of her own community.
Apparently not satisfied with the punishment meted out to the boy and his family, the Jats had told them to leave their houses and go away from the village.
Surprisingly, the district’s civil and police administration did not wake up to the situation and allowed it to worsen. This is not the first such case in Haryana. Earlier also, it was the High Court that had intervened to safeguard the lives of the weaker sections facing the wrath of the influential, powerful higher class.

 

[poonam]

Indeed pathetic! God knows what the truth is!

But if this happens to be true, then it’s a matter of shame for us. If the two families agreed to this alliance then what was the need for this unacceptable drama of power show off!.. Instead of focusing on something constructive why are energies being wasted in this farce?

 

[chhillar]

Indeed pathetic! God knows what the truth is!

But if this happens to be true, then it’s a matter of shame for us. If the two families agreed to this alliance then what was the need for this unacceptable drama of power show off!.. Instead of focusing on something constructive why are energies being wasted in this farce?

No wonder half of these kinds of Chodharies are losers themselves and their kids never got any attention from them as far as education, career etc. go but still they leave no stone unturned to teach others' kids lessons on the pretext of Maha Panchayatese...

this reminds me of one of VJ Kharab's post about govt., I think there should be some criterion for qualification of these Maha Panchayatese too..mein koon... belya... khaam khaan

 

[ranjitjat]

HC stops Jat Mahapanchayat-Inter-caste marriage in Bhiwani

DEAR MEMBERS
YOUR VIEW PLEASE ON THIS IMPORTANT SOCIAL & LEGAL ISSUE.
ANOTHER JAT KHAP MAHAPANCHAYAT.
ANOTHER INTER-CASTE MARRIAGE.
SHEORAN KHAP OF 84 VILLAGES AGAIN ON HEADLINE. FOR RIGHT OR WRONG REASON FOR 3RD TIME WITH IN 1 YEAR.
WHAT IS THE WAY OUT ?



HC stops Jat Mahapanchayat
Inter-caste marriage in Bhiwani

Chandigarh, June 9
Taking strong note of the unlawful and unconstitutional activities of self-styled representatives of the Jats, the Punjab and Haryana High Court today directed the district administration of Bhiwani not to allow the proposed Mahapanchayat of representatives of the community from 84 villages in Bhiwani district of Haryana to be held on June 11.

The vacation Bench headed by Mr Justice K.S. Garewal has also ordered that complete protection of a newly-wed couple and their respective families be ensured.

This order was passed on the petition filed by Surinder Kumar of Kharkari village in Bhiwani district. The self-styled leaders of the Jat community had been making life difficult for Surinder and his wife as they had married out of their respective castes. While the boy belongs to the cobbler caste, the girl belonged to the Jat community.

Highlighting his and his family’s plight, the boy had sought directions to the district administration and the police to safeguard their lives and rights.

In his petition, Surinder had stated that he got married to Poonam of Dhaman village in Sonepat district at a ceremony held in the girl’s village in May. Both families were present in the ceremony. The girl’s father, Mr Kishan Kumar, is a Subedar in the Indian Army.

While Surinder is employed with a private sector bank, Poonam is a trained staff nurse. Both were in love with each other for sometime before getting married.

Trouble began, when the bridegroom brought his wife to his native village in Bhiwani. On coming to know that he had married an upper-caste girl, the self-styled representatives of the Jat community of the village held a panchayat and questioned the marriage.

They issued a diktat to both families to dissolve the marriage or face consequences.

Refusing to bow before the unlawful pressure being put on them, the newly-weds went to Bhiwani to get the marriage registered. However, there, Poonam was allegedly forcibly picked up by members of her caste and taken away. The boy and others who were accompanying him were also beaten up.

Even though an FIR was got registered on May 23, no action was reportedly taken by the police and the girl was not united with her husband.

In fact, the petition says she might have been forcibly married off to a member of her caste.

Thereafter, on May 25, Jats of nine villages held a panchayat at Singani village(Bhiwani), in which over 6,000 persons were reportedly present. The girl’s father was also summoned to the panchayat and told to dissolve the marriage.

Here, the boy’s family was directed to return all the dowry items and also foot the expenses of the panchayat.

Still not satisfied, a maha panchayat was also ordered to be convened on June 11, where a decision about the future course of action against the members of the cobbler caste residing in the boy’s village was to be taken.

The case is yet another instance of high-handedness by co-called guardians of the caste system. In his particular case, the self-styled leaders of the Jat community were making life miserable for the entire cobbler community as a boy of their community had dared to marry a Jat girl.

Not only had the self-styled custodians of the community forcibly separated the couple, the girl had also been allegedly forced to marry another boy of her own community.

Apparently not satisfied with the punishment meted out to the boy and his family, the Jats had told them to leave their houses and go away from the village.

Surprisingly, the district’s civil and police administration did not wake up to the situation and allowed it to worsen. This is not the first such case in Haryana.

Earlier also, it was the High Court that had intervened to safeguard the lives of the weaker sections facing the wrath of the influential, powerful higher class.

 

[kharub]

Right Move by the Panchayats

I know my opinion might surprise some people and i might be contradicting my self (people might think i am contradicting myself, my beliefs are crystal clear and firm) ........... but i do object to the marrige of a CHAMAR and a JATNI

Yes indeed it is a private affair , but at the same time it is also an issue which concerns our society and tribe.

I am seriouly against such a marrige, and i think the Panchayat has a right to interfere in such matters to a certain degree.

If it was a marrige between a Jat Male and a Jat Female , then the panchayat has no business to interfere even if they do not agree with it ....

BUt this is an intercast marrige and the society has a right to get involved.

Equality of all does not mean, that we loose our own identity - that means Chamars and Jat are equal , but they should mind their own business ..... they are equal in political rights, education , employment and all ....

But equality does not mean that you mix ethnicities or mix race and blood ....

I totally support the Panchayat

It is such rules that have kept Jews intact all this time ..... Jews are very forward , economically powerful people (the most economically and politically powerful ethnic group in the whole world) , and it might not be wrong to say that they control the world to a great extent ......... and they have been able to do so because they keep their blood pure , and inter-religious marrige is seriously frowned upon in teh Jewish society

These liberal and mix with all ideas have destroyed the identity and culture of the European Society - Do we want to head the same way ?????????

 

[ratheetheraist]

hey dude..????

I know my opinion might surprise some people and i might be contradicting my self ........... but i do object to the marrige of a CHAMAR and a JATNI

Yes indeed it is a private affair , but at the same time it is also an issue which concerns our society and tribe.

I am seriouly against such a marrige, and i think the Panchayat has a right to interfere in such matters to a certain degree.

If it was a marrige between a Jat Male and a Jat Female , then the panchayat has no business to interfere even if they do not agree with it ....

BUt this is an intercast marrige and the society has a right to get involved.

Equality of all does not mean, that we loose our own identity - that means Chamars and Jat are equal , but they should mind their own business ..... they are equal in political rights, education , employment and all ....

But equality does not mean that you mix ethnicities or mix race and blood ....

I totally support the Panchayat

It is such rules that have kept Jews intact all this time ..... Jews are very forward , economically powerful people (the most economically and politically powerful ethnic group in the whole world) , and it might now be wrong to say that they control the world to a great extent ......... and they have been able to do so because they keep their blood pure , and inter-religious marrige is seriously frowned upon in teh Jewish society

These liberal and mix with all ideas have destroyed the identity and culture of the European Society - Do we want to head the same way ?????????

dude........ which identity u r talkin about???????

can u please xplain this identity word u used here in ny context..!!!!!!!!

 

[kharub]

is it not clear that I am talking about the Jat identity - i thought it was obvious .....

Our ethnic identity - our social position and customs - our genetic identity - our identity as people -

WHY DO NOT THINK YOU HAVE ANY STRONG AND PARTICULAR JAT IDENTITY ???

CAN YOU NOT IMAGINE IT YOURSELF ???

 

[panward]

Bushism?

It reminds me of an old 'Bush'ism which goes somewhat like:

I do have opinions of my own but I don't always agree with them

I know my opinion might surprise some people and i might be contradicting my self

 

[kharub]

let me rephrase for you my friend - i meant - "people might thing i am being contradictory "

I have very clear ideas, values and beliefs - Crystal Clear ......

is that okay now ?????????

 

[ratheetheraist]

ohhh..............

is it not clear that I am talking about the Jat identity - i thought it was obvious .....

okkk............. so u mus b sain tht marrying into chamars wil loose our identity...?? okk........

bt killing so many chamars n churaas nd burning their homes like we saw in GOHANA sm time back will make up our help in getting us the identity we all the time are obsessed with....?

there has been many incidents earlier nd still in the INDIAN ARMY ......... there are those shoulders which r seen like the way we r so proud seeing thm ..... bt they r there to face the bulets of enemy...... THEN WHEN THEY GO TO THE BORDERS U NEVER MAKE THIS HUE N CRY THT WE DONT WANT CHAMAR SOLDIERS ND CHAMAR OFFICERS TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY...........

i think we shall come out f this identity circle nd see towards the life of those affected.......... nd shall have a different angle to think abt their future.........

we have seen so many blood n things on these issues ..... do we really need to carry on like this.....??

there has been incidents when these PANCHAYTIES have made the BROTHER N SISTER OUT F THE HUSBAND N WIFE ND MADE THE WIFE TO TIE RAKHI ON HER HUSBAND`S HAND.........@#$%&@$%&........

they r jus ridiculous nd i dont think it is the way to bring out ny decision which is goin to affect the lives of these newly weds........

 

[kharub]

okkk............. so u mus b sain tht marrying into chamars wil loose our identity...?? okk........

bt killing so many chamars n churaas nd burning their homes like we saw in GOHANA sm time back will make up our help in getting us the identity we all the time are obsessed with....?

there has been many incidents earlier nd still in the INDIAN ARMY ......... there are those shoulders which r seen like the way we r so proud seeing thm ..... bt they r there to face the bulets of enemy...... THEN WHEN THEY GO TO THE BORDERS U NEVER MAKE THIS HUE N CRY THT WE DONT WANT CHAMAR SOLDIERS ND CHAMAR OFFICERS TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY...........

i think we shall come out f this identity circle nd see towards the life of those affected.......... nd shall have a different angle to think abt their future.........

we have seen so many blood n things on these issues ..... do we really need to carry on like this.....??

there has been incidents when these PANCHAYTIES have made the BROTHER N SISTER OUT F THE HUSBAND N WIFE ND MADE THE WIFE TO TIE RAKHI ON HER HUSBAND`S HAND.........@#$%&@$%&........

they r jus ridiculous nd i dont think it is the way to bring out ny decision which is goin to affect the lives of these newly weds........

Mate read what i wrote and if you cant understand it , get somebody's help to undertsand it and write a response ,

what i have written there is no where even remotely close to what you understood

so before you go on pointlessly .... try to first comprehend what i have stated

OKIE .. DOKIE

 

[ratheetheraist]

ohh.........

Mate read what i wrote and if you cant understand it , get somebody's help to undertsand it and write a response ,

what i have written there is no where even remotely close to what you understood

so before you go on pointlessly .... try to first comprehend what i have stated

OKIE .. DOKIE

ohh cmon vj........... now its the only thing which come out f ur pint f view on this issue ....... rest if smthing is there...... there is noone here to explain ...... can u plz help........

 

[kharub]

Jats were the victims in that Sonepat Incidence

and for your kind information what happened in sonepat - do you even know what happened there ... or you get all your information form the Jat bashing media .....

THEY KILLED A JAT YOUTH MERCILESSLY - THEY KILLED HIM LIKE AN AMINAL , BECAUSE HE PROTESTED AGAINT THEIR THUGGERY AND INDECENT PUBLIC BEHAVIOUR ......

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT MATE ....... YOU JUST MADE MY BLOOD BOIL ....

JATS WERE THE VICTIM IN THAT SONEPAT INCEDENCE ......

the valmikis started that bloody thing in sonepat ...... Jats just reacted and thay too not properly ... and then the Valmikis got hefty compensation from the state government - as a reward for slaying a JAT ......

 

[deepshi]

right VJ

If u cant b possessive n passionate 4 ur belongings(identity here) then u cant stand 4 anything
of course- marryin a chamar is pathetic- its nt bout false liberality or caste system- bt its bout havin pride in ourselves..
this way v r on d verge f loosing our identity.

 

[panward]

I know my opinion might surprise some people and i might be contradicting my self (people might think i am contradicting myself, my beliefs are crystal clear and firm) ........... but i do object to the marrige of a CHAMAR and a JATNI

One more thing mate, which is not crystal clear from your statement or may be I am intellectually challenged and myopic to comprehend (see), but you have objections just because a Chamar married a Jatni. Does that mean you won't mind when a Jat marries a Chamari??

 

[deepshi]

Crux Of D Topic..

though dint go thru d whole repititive n monotonous story

 

[kharub]

okkk............. so u mus b sain tht marrying into chamars wil loose our identity...?? okk........

bt killing so many chamars n churaas nd burning their homes like we saw in GOHANA sm time back will make up our help in getting us the identity we all the time are obsessed with....?

there has been many incidents earlier nd still in the INDIAN ARMY ......... there are those shoulders which r seen like the way we r so proud seeing thm ..... bt they r there to face the bulets of enemy...... THEN WHEN THEY GO TO THE BORDERS U NEVER MAKE THIS HUE N CRY THT WE DONT WANT CHAMAR SOLDIERS ND CHAMAR OFFICERS TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY...........

i think we shall come out f this identity circle nd see towards the life of those affected.......... nd shall have a different angle to think abt their future.........

we have seen so many blood n things on these issues ..... do we really need to carry on like this.....??

there has been incidents when these PANCHAYTIES have made the BROTHER N SISTER OUT F THE HUSBAND N WIFE ND MADE THE WIFE TO TIE RAKHI ON HER HUSBAND`S HAND.........@#$%&@$%&........

they r jus ridiculous nd i dont think it is the way to bring out ny decision which is goin to affect the lives of these newly weds........

1. Yes marrying Chamars will loose our identity in the long run - if this coupel have a kid, he will claim himself to be part Jat , which is right because the mother is Jat , but he is not , he will be raised in a Chamar household, with their habbits and social manners and customs , - and if these things keep on going, we will have a lot of so called Jats but actually Chamars in our clan and thus we will loose our identity and ethnic purity ..........
If it was a Jat boy marrying a Chamar girl the matter would have been less serious as the kids would grow up in a Jat household they will be more JAT

2. Gohana - already answered in the previous post

3. I am not in no way that Chamars are not our brothers or they are inferiour to us - I never said that . I firmly believe in eqality
But eqality and identity and ethnicity are different things my friends - dont consider them all as the same thing.
we are equal , but we are different too , so while not having any prejudice, lets keep our identity intact and our ethnicity pure.
We need to recognise and appreciate any achievement by Charmars or anyone else, they are also people - mixing blood does not mean equality , it just means impurity

4. Liberal ideas like this have spelled an end to the Great Europe - Europe is dying , its declining because of just such ideas.
30% of under 5 in France are of North African and Turkish Origin even though that polulation is only 5 % ...... why ???

Because they preserve their identity where as the French marry into these ethnic minorities and loose their frenchness but acquire a Moroccan or Turkish identity. and the statistics alone suggest and it will not be long when these minorities will become majority.

WE ARE ALL EQUAL , BUT WE ARE DIFFERENT AT THE SAME TIME AND OUR DIFFERENCES MAKE US UNIQUE .... THEY MAKE US JATS ... AND THATS WHAT IS VALUABLE TO US TO PRESERVE OURSELVES CULTURALLY AND ETHNICALLY ..............

Did that Help ?????

 

[ratheetheraist]

yeah.............

and for your kind information what happened in sonepat - do you even know what happened there ... or you get all your information form the Jat bashing media .....

THEY KILLED A JAT YOUTH MERCILESSLY - THEY KILLED HIM LIKE AN AMINAL , BECAUSE HE PROTESTED AGAINT THEIR THUGGERY AND INDECENT PUBLIC BEHAVIOUR ......

GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT MATE ....... YOU JUST MADE MY BLOOD BOIL ....

JATS WERE THE VICTIM IN THAT SONEPAT INCEDENCE ......

the valmikis started that bloody thing in sonepat ...... Jats just reacted and thay too not properly ... and then the Valmikis got hefty compensation from the state government - as a reward for slaying a JAT ......

yeahi very well know all tht............ nd i think mus b knowing more than u do..... so..... i know abt tht jat boy was killed mercilessly..... bt then to show the identity only tht whole drama went on na..... bus u agree tht jats also reacted in a way which was not proper.......this was the only thing i wanted to say........ they only did tht how cud a jat b touched by these valmikies......... dear the differences cud arise among nyone nd they may take ny kind f turn thn...........

there is nthg getting ur blood warm......... nd ignore this n read the rest of the lines i wrote nd thn say tht this is the identity we thrive for......??

chal now cmin back on the topic.....................

i have seen many jat boys marrying inter caste nd when a JAT GIRL takes such a step....... thn only THE JATISMM of us comes out of us..........

arrey uss bechari nee ke koi haqq nahi apnaa partner chunnan kaa....... humney haii arr........ y this happens with us all the time ..........

i m jus against the voices those try to supress the grls nd try dictating their lives according to them.......... she has to live her life nd she does not even have the right to choose with whom she shall move forward.....

although these r really rare cases where jat grls fall in so called luv with the other cast males.... bt when it happens thn y cant we jus accept it...... she also has a heart of her own...... nd a right too......

jats kill their daughter nd the person with whom she marries nd spend their life in jails........ whole of the family is JUS LIKE OVER............. is this the solution to this guys............ i have been going to the courts since last one year nd i can see the jats involved in the similar issues nd they r jus helpless after doin these acts.......... i have met the families who have gone through this TRAUMA......... nd they cry in frnt of our SIR....... tht vakeel saab galti ho gii ibb ke karaan.......??

THIS IS A REALL BIG ISSUE ND COMMENTS FRM SENIOR MEMBERS R IN WAITING HERE............ DO THROW SM LIGHT ON IT ND HELP TO CHANGE ATLEAST ONE JAT MIND .......... I WILL B HAPY IF I CUD.........

thanks n regards
vikas rathee

 

[ratheetheraist]

this is the thing..............

One more thing mate, which is not crystal clear from your statement or may be I am intellectually challenged and myopic to comprehend (see), but you have objections just because a Chamar married a Jatni. Does that mean you won't mind when a Jat marries a Chamari??

hey daksh .................

this is the thing i wana have answer about.............. can u all protectors of our identity can answer this........

nd seeing this kinda statement frm a grl is pathetic........... haah.......... bt its like it only...... thts wt i say..........HONEST DIFFERENCES ARE OFTEN HEALTHY SIGNS OF PROGRESS.......... bt i dont think the differences r honest....

 

[kharub]

One more thing mate, which is not crystal clear from your statement or may be I am intellectually challenged and myopic to comprehend (see), but you have objections just because a Chamar married a Jatni. Does that mean you won't mind when a Jat marries a Chamari??

My dear friend ... i like your sarcasm , its very refreshing ........

I have a logic for my beliefs .. and I dont go on stating things before i dont evaluate them form my perspective (and it is strictly my perspetive, you dont have to agree with it , but you can always try to point out the weakness in my argument)


1. A jat marrying a Chamari would be a similar case, but a less severe offence , just becasue as stated in the previous post , the Chamarness willl be diluted and the kid will be more Jat than a chamar ......

2. It will not be such a grave issue just because the plain fact is that we dont have enough females in the Jat community for all the Jat boys so if they marry outside teh caste and bring the girls in to Jat families and TAKE EVERY MEASURE TO MAKE SURE THAT THESE WOMEN ADAPT TO THE JAT SOCIETY AND THAT THE OFFSPRINGS ARE DEFINATELY WELL VERSER WITH JATS CUSTOMS ... with no hint of their mother's ethnicity or culture , then it is okay

and my argument is not totally emotionally charged , it is based on logic and historical facts ....