Jats are already divided in many religion, Why to divide more, need of hour is to unite politically and show your voting power
The suggestion is for complete community and not for portion of jats, division is not good.
Jats are already divided in many religion, Why to divide more, need of hour is to unite politically and show your voting power
I donot remember of having started this thread earlier,
You don't remember??? It is very strange. Well you will be made remember. Here is the link and your words :
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Adopt Jat Dharam
May I request all my brothers & sisters to consider my this suggestion seriously, Why cannot jats come back to jat dharam which is any day batter than Hinduism, claim minority status & enjoy your traditions. Those in favour of same gotra marriages can stay with Hindu practices. with warm regards, forgive & forget Fateh.
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Now the question is what is the guarantee you will not forget this too that you have asked the Jats to adopt so called Jat religion and when they adopt it, you ask them why did you give up Hinduism? We say you (Col. Kharb) asked us to do so and you say I don't remember.
Actually, Col. Fateh, RK Kalkhande or some other one are not responsible for this mess, but the moderators should be blamed for it. People here openly ask others to give up Hinduism and convert to other religions. Such people should not be banned. Such thread should also not be removed. But such people should be asked to argue properly. I am asking Col. Fateh to tell me the benefits of being minority, giving up Hinduism, adopting so called Jat religion, but he doesn't explain. That is objectionable.
Jats always respected women, secondly such document will be drafted by repersentatives from men and women from all possible areas where jats are settled and would be approved by the majority, suggestions of all jats men/women will be considered, so if God permits the position of both will be equal based on respect, love, effection and justice
Upender, neither your objections, nor your inability to understand the topic/views/feelings, can be removed/improved, when you come to jatland with salt in your mouth
Would you like to answer these questions?
1. Why do you want the Jats to adopt a new concept? If it is for getting the benefits of being minority religion/community in future, then would you like to share these so called benefits?
2. Who will be Jats' god as all other religions/faiths have some or the other idol? If you say no one, then you are dreaming of such a school where will be no teacher.
3. A religion doesn't have only one caste. So if some other castes also want to join this Jat religion, then would you like to allow them? Then they will also be called as 'Jats' and thus Jat race will be polluted as even a dalit will be called a Jat. If you will not allow other castes to join Jat religion, then what does Jat religion mean?
I have many other questions too and I also know that in coming time also people will keep suggesting that Jats should convert to Sikhism, Jats should leave Hinduism etc. I am looking forward someone suggesting the Jats should convert to Islam.
But why shall we follow such people? Hon'ble Fateh Singh Kharb suggests the Jats should adopt Jat religion. RK Kalkhande suggests the Jats should adopt Sikhism. First you two people decide what step we Jats should take. If someone greater than you will suggest in future that we should remain Hindu, then what should we do?
Dear All,
Greetings for the festive season!
Let me stick my neck out and suggest 10 Codes that we (JATS) must follow. Once we do that we would not only feel we are different, even those who don’t consider us respectable enough will start respecting us for what we stand.
1. We shall genuinely respect our forefathers for what they stood for (hard work, honesty and brotherhood or ‘Bhaichara’).
2. Respect your parents. Do not use your broadmindedness (arrived at by after being ‘educated’ and aping the west) on your parents but on your children.
3. Respect your women.
4. Stop girl feticide.
5. Spend equal resources for boy and girl; be it education or daily chores.
6. Do not give or take dowry. Saying it is not enough. Stand in front of a mirror, peep into your conscience, keep a hand on your heart and say “I shall neither give nor take dowry in any form”. Let this be your daily prayer.
7. Take a vow to start charity from your own home. Help out your poorer brothers and cousins in the truest sense; without bragging about the help or expecting anything in return.
8. Leading a simple life. Deciding very early in life as to what is your ‘minimum requirement of material resources’ and sticking by it. Basically, do not participate in the ‘rat race’.
9. Say NO to vices; smoking, drinking excessively and playing cards if it affects routine work.
10. Think about the environment. Stop wastage. Go green. Leave minimum carbon imprint.
If anyone can follow the above commandments, I guarantee him / her total happiness, stress free life and heavenly afterlife.
Thanks and regards,
JS Malik
Separation from main stream was never a dream of our ancestors !! Thats why even when Sikhism was treated as pious it could not enter Haryana Land !!
Its undoubtedly true that Jats are different than other Hindus in almost all aspects yet being Jats we should not enter into mean hollow world of human created world of Caste, Creed , Region & Religion
Creation of Pakistan and subsequent fall of it as a nation is an ideal example for JATS not to follow caste divide lines.
Dear All,
Greetings for the festive season!
Let me stick my neck out and suggest 10 Codes that we (JATS) must follow. Once we do that we would not only feel we are different, even those who don’t consider us respectable enough will start respecting us for what we stand.
1. We shall genuinely respect our forefathers for what they stood for (hard work, honesty and brotherhood or ‘Bhaichara’).
2. Respect your parents. Do not use your broadmindedness (arrived at by after being ‘educated’ and aping the west) on your parents but on your children.
3. Respect your women.
4. Stop girl feticide.
5. Spend equal resources for boy and girl; be it education or daily chores.
6. Do not give or take dowry. Saying it is not enough. Stand in front of a mirror, peep into your conscience, keep a hand on your heart and say “I shall neither give nor take dowry in any form”. Let this be your daily prayer.
7. Take a vow to start charity from your own home. Help out your poorer brothers and cousins in the truest sense; without bragging about the help or expecting anything in return.
8. Leading a simple life. Deciding very early in life as to what is your ‘minimum requirement of material resources’ and sticking by it. Basically, do not participate in the ‘rat race’.
9. Say NO to vices; smoking, drinking excessively and playing cards if it affects routine work.
10. Think about the environment. Stop wastage. Go green. Leave minimum carbon imprint.
If anyone can follow the above commandments, I guarantee him / her total happiness, stress free life and heavenly afterlife.
Thanks and regards,
JS Malik
FATEH ji,
i don`t know whether you have inferiority complexion when you follow hinduism.but sir if you will read Gandhi ji`s MY EXPERIMENT WITH TRUTH ...he has gone through same feelings......he felt like converting to christianity but when he went deep into Hinduism and followed it like a philosophy he became a good human being and never aging he felt to convert.....
hinduism is like this...you go deep you come back stronger but when you emphasis on the ritual and dikhava it feel disgusting you are a educated man.please read VED ,BHAGVAT GEETA......you will feel real richness of your religion
Beta shekhar, thanks for your advise, but you must understand that I know well what little you mention, problem with our community is that every individual thinks much superior/visure/great/strong/intelligent/knowledgeable ect than other jat may be even father, that is why the community is leaderless, only for your information-my first master was in history, I have studied all religions in details, served in most of the states of our nation, discuss and watched various religions, in 83 in nagaland in congregation, more than 400 cherches considered me worth to share my views with pasters, invited me as chief guest and listen my views for three days, from end 84 for 2 and half years I was musjid officer at Aurangabad, so I am aware what I suggested. Dear I had been instructor to train officers, we were taught, we practiced and taught to our students that answer only sincere and genuine questions. secondly mr upender has asked me and I have already replied him, now your batin/recommending his point shows that iether you are elder to both of me&upender or you are some big authority. In my openion, it is stupideti on your part to come in between. This is another example of spoiling autmosphere and discussion on jatland. one must not cross limits, good behaviour always pays, you give your views on the topic, for or against as you feel, if not than stay away for good of every body[
FATEH SIR,
sir when you call on to change or start new religion you are definitely addressing a society as a whole and naturally i being part of that society have every right to question your intentions and idea behind it.
..sir you have lot of experience as you have mentioned in you post...lets move on from personal attacks and please put forward your argument which will be excepted to majority of ppl.
will new religion solve our problems?
do we at all need religion to solve problems of society,of misgovernance,of immoral behaviour,of greed,of lust...........
won`t we after new religion start fighting among ourselves...like which khap is best and which gotra is most brave etc etc...
i am asking for answers and i have very less knowledge in your comparison but you should try to convince me by your arguments .....i am open to change my believe system if it good for me and all.
Beta shekhar, thanks for your advise, but you must understand that I know well what little you mention, problem with our community is that every individual thinks much superior/visure/great/strong/intelligent/knowledgeable ect than other jat may be even father, that is why the community is leaderless, only for your information-my first master was in history, I have studied all religions in details, served in most of the states of our nation, discuss and watched various religions, in 83 in nagaland in congregation, more than 400 cherches considered me worth to share my views with pasters, invited me as chief guest and listen my views for three days, from end 84 for 2 and half years I was musjid officer at Aurangabad, so I am aware what I suggested. Dear I had been instructor to train officers, we were taught, we practiced and taught to our students that answer only sincere and genuine questions. secondly mr upender has asked me and I have already replied him, now your batin/recommending his point shows that iether you are elder to both of me&upender or you are some big authority. In my openion, it is stupideti on your part to come in between. This is another example of spoiling autmosphere and discussion on jatland. one must not cross limits, good behaviour always pays, you give your views on the topic, for or against as you feel, if not than stay away for good of every body[
FATEH SIR,
sir when you call on to change or start new religion you are definitely addressing a society as a whole and naturally i being part of that society have every right to question your intentions and idea behind it.
..sir you have lot of experience as you have mentioned in you post...lets move on from personal attacks and please put forward your argument which will be excepted to majority of ppl.
will new religion solve our problems?
do we at all need religion to solve problems of society,of misgovernance,of immoral behaviour,of greed,of lust...........
won`t we after new religion start fighting among ourselves...like which khap is best and which gotra is most brave etc etc...
i am asking for answers and i have very less knowledge in your comparison but you should try to convince me by your arguments .....i am open to change my believe system if it good for me and all.
Some of the benifits-
a) today we are practicing different social/religious code, like Aryasamaj, so called hinduism etc, by adopting jat religion all may come on one plateform, hence unity, simplicity, reduction in expenditure specially of pandits, The new code of social conduct will include all liking and dear practices of all jats, with improved version.
b) community weakness/drawbacks will be taken care.
c) social and political unity will be improved.
d) psycological effect of unity and strength on other communities and govts.
e) RESERVATION ISSUE WILL BE SOLVED EASILY.
F) Education to new generation and referesher course to elders.
g) unwanted/useless religious/social practices will be removed for the good.
h) I feel the new setup would be batter than khateri dominated/controlled sikh religion.
i) since new code will be our own, it will certainly motivate all of us to follow seriously and thereby improving our standrad in future.
j) we will become seperate identity in the world, some disadvantages but more benifits.
k) for few 100 years brothetrs will stop suggesting to adop sikhism etc
l) it may attract jats from muslim and sikh religion to come back to their own religion.
M) OTHER COMMUNITIES HIRE/LOWER OF HINDUS WILL CERTAINLY START RESPECTING YOU MORE And will be come closure to us more freely/openly
At present enough, lateron some points more can be submitted for your consideration please sir,
You have all the right to ask questions and take part in discussion but dear no individual attacks by joining opposition, it is family forum so behave like family member and not like politician, also putting ghee in fire in such matters is not good, ghee should be used for eating and Havan
First of all I beg your pardon for forgetting my thread, upender in old age this happened with many people, I also not good at computer to recover such old thread, your point is taken well but donot you think you have gone little more distance to pin me down, is it correct,
If you can recover this thread than you can also recover where I strongly advocated that we should stay in present setup and improve upon weaknesses, some people again talked about adopting sikh religion that is why I said why not jat religion. When I felt requirement of asking views of our brothers, I submitted my request, is there any harm/crime, there can be fresh requirement to discuss the topic again, the initiator may not have received his required answer, there are always new members on jatland and initiator of the thread wants new views
1) Hindu is not religion
2) jats had been following Vedic religion, later many influences like sanatan, budh, arya samaj etc polluted our so called religious practices
3) My request is to seek views on the topic and NOT AT ALL TO to discuss individuals or criticise each other or to blame/pindown/prove wrong each other
4) This kind of negative attitude/behaviour do not allow healthy/positive discussion on jatland
5) is it correct on your part to comment on very elderly family member, who is beyond any doubt a responsible person
6) Is it correct on your part to comment on my character/personality traits for loss of memory/forgetting a small thing
If you have objection, I shall request all jatlanders and mods to close the discussion and the thread.
7) I request you to leave negative attitude, ill mannered behaviour and stop blaming others
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