Jat Religion

Fateh said:
I donot remember of having started this thread earlier,
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You don't remember??? It is very strange. Well you will be made remember. Here is the link and your words :
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May I request all my brothers & sisters to consider my this suggestion seriously, Why cannot jats come back to jat dharam which is any day batter than Hinduism, claim minority status & enjoy your traditions. Those in favour of same gotra marriages can stay with Hindu practices. with warm regards, forgive & forget Fateh.​

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Now the question is what is the guarantee you will not forget this too that you have asked the Jats to adopt so called Jat religion and when they adopt it, you ask them why did you give up Hinduism? We say you (Col. Kharb) asked us to do so and you say I don't remember.
 
Actually, Col. Fateh, RK Kalkhande or some other one are not responsible for this mess, but the moderators should be blamed for it. People here openly ask others to give up Hinduism and convert to other religions. Such people should not be banned. Such thread should also not be removed. But such people should be asked to argue properly. I am asking Col. Fateh to tell me the benefits of being minority, giving up Hinduism, adopting so called Jat religion, but he doesn't explain. That is objectionable.
 
upendersingh said:
You don't remember??? It is very strange. Well you will be made remember. Here is the link and your words :
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Adopt Jat Dharam

May I request all my brothers & sisters to consider my this suggestion seriously, Why cannot jats come back to jat dharam which is any day batter than Hinduism, claim minority status & enjoy your traditions. Those in favour of same gotra marriages can stay with Hindu practices. with warm regards, forgive & forget Fateh.​

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Now the question is what is the guarantee you will not forget this too that you have asked the Jats to adopt so called Jat religion and when they adopt it, you ask them why did you give up Hinduism? We say you (Col. Kharb) asked us to do so and you say I don't remember.
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First of all I beg your pardon for forgetting my thread, upender in old age this happened with many people, I also not good at computer to recover such old thread, your point is taken well but donot you think you have gone little more distance to pin me down, is it correct,
If you can recover this thread than you can also recover where I strongly advocated that we should stay in present setup and improve upon weaknesses, some people again talked about adopting sikh religion that is why I said why not jat religion. When I felt requirement of asking views of our brothers, I submitted my request, is there any harm/crime, there can be fresh requirement to discuss the topic again, the initiator may not have received his required answer, there are always new members on jatland and initiator of the thread wants new views
1) Hindu is not religion
2) jats had been following Vedic religion, later many influences like sanatan, budh, arya samaj etc polluted our so called religious practices
3) My request is to seek views on the topic and NOT AT ALL TO to discuss individuals or criticise each other or to blame/pindown/prove wrong each other
4) This kind of negative attitude/behaviour do not allow healthy/positive discussion on jatland
5) is it correct on your part to comment on very elderly family member, who is beyond any doubt a responsible person
6) Is it correct on your part to comment on my character/personality traits for loss of memory/forgetting a small thing
If you have objection, I shall request all jatlanders and mods to close the discussion and the thread.
7) I request you to leave negative attitude, ill mannered behaviour and stop blaming others
 
upendersingh said:
Actually, Col. Fateh, RK Kalkhande or some other one are not responsible for this mess, but the moderators should be blamed for it. People here openly ask others to give up Hinduism and convert to other religions. Such people should not be banned. Such thread should also not be removed. But such people should be asked to argue properly. I am asking Col. Fateh to tell me the benefits of being minority, giving up Hinduism, adopting so called Jat religion, but he doesn't explain. That is objectionable.
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Upender, neither your objections, nor your inability to understand the topic/views/feelings, can be removed/improved, when you come to jatland with salt in your mouth
 
Fateh said:
Jats always respected women, secondly such document will be drafted by repersentatives from men and women from all possible areas where jats are settled and would be approved by the majority, suggestions of all jats men/women will be considered, so if God permits the position of both will be equal based on respect, love, effection and justice
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bhai Prikshit,
apne bahut hi democratic process sujhaya hai.......parr mere bhai....iss sujhao ke floor parr atte hi ye shuru ho jayega ki kaun si jageh ke jat sabse jayda achhe hai.......arr kiski baat mani jaye ......UP,HARYANA,RAJASTHAN,MP ik dusre ko goli marenge aur duniya tamasha dekhe gi.........

jatto mai unity.hoti to aaj ye durgati na hoti.......identity politics ke daur mai ajj hamare pass ik bhi leader nahi hai.........hum log apni bahut badayi karte hai ki humare passs paisa hai.muscle power hai.aur dharti hai ,humm delhi ke aaas paas rehte hai parr haquiqat ye hai ki.......hamari community leader less hai..aur jiska koi leader nahi hota wo team kabhi match nahi jitatti
 
Uss naye dharam ka 'Pop' / 'Imaam' / 'Chief Priest' kaunn hoga? :livid: ..... aur koye nahi paawe to mera naam likh liyo list mein ! Kaam diga dunga bina tankhwaah ke !! :p
 
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Fateh said:
Upender, neither your objections, nor your inability to understand the topic/views/feelings, can be removed/improved, when you come to jatland with salt in your mouth
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FATEH ji, when you are starting a thread for new religion i believe you should be ready and able to answer the questions which are bound to be raised...........this is not the good way to run away from the arguments put by someone........either you answer them or you should not start such threads......becoz it hurts sentiments of many followers of religion.........you are not bound to follow my advice but be sensitive to issues particularly when it comes to religion..........

sir why don`t you make this suggestion to your family please set example by converting your family first.......if things work i will follow you...........charity begins at home

presently i follow Hinduism but i have very strong feelings for Sikhism,Buddhism........many a times i have gone through same kind of feeling when i see shortcoming of my religion........but then every religion has shortcoming......if Sikhism has to be followed in true sense then their should not be any caste system in it since all are followers of one guru and guru granth sahib..but then why caste conflicts.........

you can make as many as religion...religion is no solution...you don`t need religion to solve any problem but religion is in itself a problem if it kept as a private affair it is boon but if it is used for political purpose than you know what happens.....just read a newspaper for a weak and you will come to a conclusion that religion is number one reason for killing Innocent ppl ........

even a atheist like Shaheed Bhagat Singh has done such a great task that in my views no religious leader have done yet so far............so it is our zest to do good that matter not religion or any other ritualistic thing
 
upendersingh said:
Would you like to answer these questions?
1. Why do you want the Jats to adopt a new concept? If it is for getting the benefits of being minority religion/community in future, then would you like to share these so called benefits?
2. Who will be Jats' god as all other religions/faiths have some or the other idol? If you say no one, then you are dreaming of such a school where will be no teacher.
3. A religion doesn't have only one caste. So if some other castes also want to join this Jat religion, then would you like to allow them? Then they will also be called as 'Jats' and thus Jat race will be polluted as even a dalit will be called a Jat. If you will not allow other castes to join Jat religion, then what does Jat religion mean?

I have many other questions too and I also know that in coming time also people will keep suggesting that Jats should convert to Sikhism, Jats should leave Hinduism etc. I am looking forward someone suggesting the Jats should convert to Islam.
But why shall we follow such people? Hon'ble Fateh Singh Kharb suggests the Jats should adopt Jat religion. RK Kalkhande suggests the Jats should adopt Sikhism. First you two people decide what step we Jats should take. If someone greater than you will suggest in future that we should remain Hindu, then what should we do?
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On a lighter note, how about proclaiming Khaps as Gods authority!
 
FATEH ji,

i don`t know whether you have inferiority complexion when you follow hinduism.but sir if you will read Gandhi ji`s MY EXPERIMENT WITH TRUTH ...he has gone through same feelings......he felt like converting to christianity but when he went deep into Hinduism and followed it like a philosophy he became a good human being and never aging he felt to convert.....

hinduism is like this...you go deep you come back stronger but when you emphasis on the ritual and dikhava it feel disgusting you are a educated man.please read VED ,BHAGVAT GEETA......you will feel real richness of your religion
 
In my humble opinion, one should not get after a person to answer his/her put up questions. Col Fateh would answer questions that he deems fit to answer on his part, I think. And others should respect his right in this matter. It is my humble opinion.



QUOTE=shekharjat;350511]FATEH ji, when you are starting a thread for new religion i believe you should be ready and able to answer the questions which are bound to be raised...........this is not the good way to run away from the arguments put by someone........either you answer them or you should not start such threads......becoz it hurts sentiments of many followers of religion.........you are not bound to follow my advice but be sensitive to issues particularly when it comes to religion..........

sir why don`t you make this suggestion to your family please set example by converting your family first.......if things work i will follow you...........charity begins at home

presently i follow Hinduism but i have very strong feelings for Sikhism,Buddhism........many a times i have gone through same kind of feeling when i see shortcoming of my religion........but then every religion has shortcoming......if Sikhism has to be followed in true sense then their should not be any caste system in it since all are followers of one guru and guru granth sahib..but then why caste conflicts.........

you can make as many as religion...religion is no solution...you don`t need religion to solve any problem but religion is in itself a problem if it kept as a private affair it is boon but if it is used for political purpose than you know what happens.....just read a newspaper for a weak and you will come to a conclusion that religion is number one reason for killing Innocent ppl ........

even a atheist like Shaheed Bhagat Singh has done such a great task that in my views no religious leader have done yet so far............so it is our zest to do good that matter not religion or any other ritualistic thing[/QUOTE]
 
Dear All,

Greetings for the festive season!

Let me stick my neck out and suggest 10 Codes that we (JATS) must follow. Once we do that we would not only feel we are different, even those who don’t consider us respectable enough will start respecting us for what we stand.

1. We shall genuinely respect our forefathers for what they stood for (hard work, honesty and brotherhood or ‘Bhaichara’).
2. Respect your parents. Do not use your broadmindedness (arrived at by after being ‘educated’ and aping the west) on your parents but on your children.
3. Respect your women.
4. Stop girl feticide.
5. Spend equal resources for boy and girl; be it education or daily chores.
6. Do not give or take dowry. Saying it is not enough. Stand in front of a mirror, peep into your conscience, keep a hand on your heart and say “I shall neither give nor take dowry in any form”. Let this be your daily prayer.
7. Take a vow to start charity from your own home. Help out your poorer brothers and cousins in the truest sense; without bragging about the help or expecting anything in return.
8. Leading a simple life. Deciding very early in life as to what is your ‘minimum requirement of material resources’ and sticking by it. Basically, do not participate in the ‘rat race’.
9. Say NO to vices; smoking, drinking excessively and playing cards if it affects routine work.
10. Think about the environment. Stop wastage. Go green. Leave minimum carbon imprint.

If anyone can follow the above commandments, I guarantee him / her total happiness, stress free life and heavenly afterlife.

Thanks and regards,

JS Malik
 
Well said. May I add that emphasis should be on education of kids and adults alike. Everyone must at least be a graduate preferably in a technical field.


jagmohan said:
Dear All,

Greetings for the festive season!

Let me stick my neck out and suggest 10 Codes that we (JATS) must follow. Once we do that we would not only feel we are different, even those who don’t consider us respectable enough will start respecting us for what we stand.

1. We shall genuinely respect our forefathers for what they stood for (hard work, honesty and brotherhood or ‘Bhaichara’).
2. Respect your parents. Do not use your broadmindedness (arrived at by after being ‘educated’ and aping the west) on your parents but on your children.
3. Respect your women.
4. Stop girl feticide.
5. Spend equal resources for boy and girl; be it education or daily chores.
6. Do not give or take dowry. Saying it is not enough. Stand in front of a mirror, peep into your conscience, keep a hand on your heart and say “I shall neither give nor take dowry in any form”. Let this be your daily prayer.
7. Take a vow to start charity from your own home. Help out your poorer brothers and cousins in the truest sense; without bragging about the help or expecting anything in return.
8. Leading a simple life. Deciding very early in life as to what is your ‘minimum requirement of material resources’ and sticking by it. Basically, do not participate in the ‘rat race’.
9. Say NO to vices; smoking, drinking excessively and playing cards if it affects routine work.
10. Think about the environment. Stop wastage. Go green. Leave minimum carbon imprint.

If anyone can follow the above commandments, I guarantee him / her total happiness, stress free life and heavenly afterlife.

Thanks and regards,

JS Malik
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VikrantChodhary said:
Separation from main stream was never a dream of our ancestors !! Thats why even when Sikhism was treated as pious it could not enter Haryana Land !!

Its undoubtedly true that Jats are different than other Hindus in almost all aspects yet being Jats we should not enter into mean hollow world of human created world of Caste, Creed , Region & Religion

Creation of Pakistan and subsequent fall of it as a nation is an ideal example for JATS not to follow caste divide lines.
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..don't agree ........sikhism was going with full flow and after punjab it entered in haryana..no?.. ..ambala, kurushetra, karnal, kaithal, jind..theese areas have significant population of sikhs....and jatts were the most in numbers who convereted to sikhism (punjab)...jats of haryana/west UP/rajasthan would have converted to sikhism but there was another religious revolution that was kicked off from another direction targeting jats...arya samaj...and it impacted jats of haryana/rajasthan/west UP land more than anyone else.. jats were the flagbearer of both sikhism and arya samaj.....jatts have been and will always be separate from main stream..mind it!!...
 
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:). I believe you!


jagmohan said:
Dear All,

Greetings for the festive season!

Let me stick my neck out and suggest 10 Codes that we (JATS) must follow. Once we do that we would not only feel we are different, even those who don’t consider us respectable enough will start respecting us for what we stand.

1. We shall genuinely respect our forefathers for what they stood for (hard work, honesty and brotherhood or ‘Bhaichara’).
2. Respect your parents. Do not use your broadmindedness (arrived at by after being ‘educated’ and aping the west) on your parents but on your children.
3. Respect your women.
4. Stop girl feticide.
5. Spend equal resources for boy and girl; be it education or daily chores.
6. Do not give or take dowry. Saying it is not enough. Stand in front of a mirror, peep into your conscience, keep a hand on your heart and say “I shall neither give nor take dowry in any form”. Let this be your daily prayer.
7. Take a vow to start charity from your own home. Help out your poorer brothers and cousins in the truest sense; without bragging about the help or expecting anything in return.
8. Leading a simple life. Deciding very early in life as to what is your ‘minimum requirement of material resources’ and sticking by it. Basically, do not participate in the ‘rat race’.
9. Say NO to vices; smoking, drinking excessively and playing cards if it affects routine work.
10. Think about the environment. Stop wastage. Go green. Leave minimum carbon imprint.

If anyone can follow the above commandments, I guarantee him / her total happiness, stress free life and heavenly afterlife.

Thanks and regards,

JS Malik
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shekharjat said:
FATEH ji,

i don`t know whether you have inferiority complexion when you follow hinduism.but sir if you will read Gandhi ji`s MY EXPERIMENT WITH TRUTH ...he has gone through same feelings......he felt like converting to christianity but when he went deep into Hinduism and followed it like a philosophy he became a good human being and never aging he felt to convert.....

hinduism is like this...you go deep you come back stronger but when you emphasis on the ritual and dikhava it feel disgusting you are a educated man.please read VED ,BHAGVAT GEETA......you will feel real richness of your religion
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Beta shekhar, thanks for your advise, but you must understand that I know well what little you mention, problem with our community is that every individual thinks much superior/visure/great/strong/intelligent/knowledgeable ect than other jat may be even father, that is why the community is leaderless, only for your information-my first master was in history, I have studied all religions in details, served in most of the states of our nation, discuss and watched various religions, in 83 in nagaland in congregation, more than 400 cherches considered me worth to share my views with pasters, invited me as chief guest and listen my views for three days, from end 84 for 2 and half years I was musjid officer at Aurangabad, so I am aware what I suggested. Dear I had been instructor to train officers, we were taught, we practiced and taught to our students that answer only sincere and genuine questions. secondly mr upender has asked me and I have already replied him, now your batin/recommending his point shows that iether you are elder to both of me&upender or you are some big authority. In my openion, it is stupideti on your part to come in between. This is another example of spoiling autmosphere and discussion on jatland. one must not cross limits, good behaviour always pays, you give your views on the topic, for or against as you feel, if not than stay away for good of every body
 
Fateh said:
Beta shekhar, thanks for your advise, but you must understand that I know well what little you mention, problem with our community is that every individual thinks much superior/visure/great/strong/intelligent/knowledgeable ect than other jat may be even father, that is why the community is leaderless, only for your information-my first master was in history, I have studied all religions in details, served in most of the states of our nation, discuss and watched various religions, in 83 in nagaland in congregation, more than 400 cherches considered me worth to share my views with pasters, invited me as chief guest and listen my views for three days, from end 84 for 2 and half years I was musjid officer at Aurangabad, so I am aware what I suggested. Dear I had been instructor to train officers, we were taught, we practiced and taught to our students that answer only sincere and genuine questions. secondly mr upender has asked me and I have already replied him, now your batin/recommending his point shows that iether you are elder to both of me&upender or you are some big authority. In my openion, it is stupideti on your part to come in between. This is another example of spoiling autmosphere and discussion on jatland. one must not cross limits, good behaviour always pays, you give your views on the topic, for or against as you feel, if not than stay away for good of every body[

FATEH SIR,


sir when you call on to change or start new religion you are definitely addressing a society as a whole and naturally i being part of that society have every right to question your intentions and idea behind it.

..sir you have lot of experience as you have mentioned in you post...lets move on from personal attacks and please put forward your argument which will be excepted to majority of ppl.

will new religion solve our problems?
do we at all need religion to solve problems of society,of misgovernance,of immoral behaviour,of greed,of lust...........

won`t we after new religion start fighting among ourselves...like which khap is best and which gotra is most brave etc etc...

i am asking for answers and i have very less knowledge in your comparison but you should try to convince me by your arguments .....i am open to change my believe system if it good for me and all.
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shekharjat said:
Fateh said:
Beta shekhar, thanks for your advise, but you must understand that I know well what little you mention, problem with our community is that every individual thinks much superior/visure/great/strong/intelligent/knowledgeable ect than other jat may be even father, that is why the community is leaderless, only for your information-my first master was in history, I have studied all religions in details, served in most of the states of our nation, discuss and watched various religions, in 83 in nagaland in congregation, more than 400 cherches considered me worth to share my views with pasters, invited me as chief guest and listen my views for three days, from end 84 for 2 and half years I was musjid officer at Aurangabad, so I am aware what I suggested. Dear I had been instructor to train officers, we were taught, we practiced and taught to our students that answer only sincere and genuine questions. secondly mr upender has asked me and I have already replied him, now your batin/recommending his point shows that iether you are elder to both of me&upender or you are some big authority. In my openion, it is stupideti on your part to come in between. This is another example of spoiling autmosphere and discussion on jatland. one must not cross limits, good behaviour always pays, you give your views on the topic, for or against as you feel, if not than stay away for good of every body[

FATEH SIR,


sir when you call on to change or start new religion you are definitely addressing a society as a whole and naturally i being part of that society have every right to question your intentions and idea behind it.

..sir you have lot of experience as you have mentioned in you post...lets move on from personal attacks and please put forward your argument which will be excepted to majority of ppl.

will new religion solve our problems?
do we at all need religion to solve problems of society,of misgovernance,of immoral behaviour,of greed,of lust...........

won`t we after new religion start fighting among ourselves...like which khap is best and which gotra is most brave etc etc...

i am asking for answers and i have very less knowledge in your comparison but you should try to convince me by your arguments .....i am open to change my believe system if it good for me and all.
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Some of the benifits-
a) today we are practicing different social/religious code, like Aryasamaj, so called hinduism etc, by adopting jat religion all may come on one plateform, hence unity, simplicity, reduction in expenditure specially of pandits, The new code of social conduct will include all liking and dear practices of all jats, with improved version.
b) community weakness/drawbacks will be taken care.
c) social and political unity will be improved.
d) psycological effect of unity and strength on other communities and govts.
e) RESERVATION ISSUE WILL BE SOLVED EASILY.
F) Education to new generation and referesher course to elders.
g) unwanted/useless religious/social practices will be removed for the good.
h) I feel the new setup would be batter than khateri dominated/controlled sikh religion.
i) since new code will be our own, it will certainly motivate all of us to follow seriously and thereby improving our standrad in future.
j) we will become seperate identity in the world, some disadvantages but more benifits.
k) for few 100 years brothetrs will stop suggesting to adop sikhism etc
l) it may attract jats from muslim and sikh religion to come back to their own religion.
M) OTHER COMMUNITIES HIRE/LOWER OF HINDUS WILL CERTAINLY START RESPECTING YOU MORE And will be come closure to us more freely/openly

At present enough, lateron some points more can be submitted for your consideration please sir,
You have all the right to ask questions and take part in discussion but dear no individual attacks by joining opposition, it is family forum so behave like family member and not like politician, also putting ghee in fire in such matters is not good, ghee should be used for eating and Havan
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Fateh said:
First of all I beg your pardon for forgetting my thread, upender in old age this happened with many people, I also not good at computer to recover such old thread, your point is taken well but donot you think you have gone little more distance to pin me down, is it correct,
If you can recover this thread than you can also recover where I strongly advocated that we should stay in present setup and improve upon weaknesses, some people again talked about adopting sikh religion that is why I said why not jat religion. When I felt requirement of asking views of our brothers, I submitted my request, is there any harm/crime, there can be fresh requirement to discuss the topic again, the initiator may not have received his required answer, there are always new members on jatland and initiator of the thread wants new views
1) Hindu is not religion
2) jats had been following Vedic religion, later many influences like sanatan, budh, arya samaj etc polluted our so called religious practices
3) My request is to seek views on the topic and NOT AT ALL TO to discuss individuals or criticise each other or to blame/pindown/prove wrong each other
4) This kind of negative attitude/behaviour do not allow healthy/positive discussion on jatland
5) is it correct on your part to comment on very elderly family member, who is beyond any doubt a responsible person
6) Is it correct on your part to comment on my character/personality traits for loss of memory/forgetting a small thing
If you have objection, I shall request all jatlanders and mods to close the discussion and the thread.
7) I request you to leave negative attitude, ill mannered behaviour and stop blaming others
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Elder brother, you don't need to use pardon like words as I am nothing to you and if it is the case, then it is no use to debate. My well wishes are with you for your conversion to new religion. I would like to advise that you or other interested people should prepare such a code of conduct, which can differ this Jat religion from other religions. You prepare list of your own names, own language and everything your own. If on one hand one will use Hindu names, middle names and other Hindu customs and on the other hand he says he is not Hindu, then it is called thanklessness. How long can such a religion survive which is based upon the principle of thanklessness? I hope that dire result of Jat religion (which is brainchild of Hon'ble Col. Fateh Singh Kharb) will not be like Din-e-Ilahi (brainchild of Emperor Akbar). Thanks and regards.
 
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