Jats in reservation as OBC

If reservation has to be, should Jats included in as OBCs at national level

  • Yes

    Votes: 38 55.9%

  • No

    Votes: 30 44.1%
  • Total voters
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If I give you a hypothetical situation where reservation is going to be there in India for another 100 years; what would you want to choose out of these two?

a) Be part of the reservation and get your kids’ fair (or unfair) share of opportunities and on the side push for quality education etc.

b) Engage your kids in protests against reservation for all these 100 years and not allow them to avail their fair (or unfair) share of opportunities and of course on the side push for quality education etc.

Which one, a or b?
I won't keep you guessing about mine, its a.

Also how many of us really believe that reservation won't be there in India anyway in future, if so what is realistic timeline?
 
bharatrattan said:
Tevathia Uncle,
Namaste,
Every single cast in India is about the population of many European Countries. Many equally intelligent people don't get the opportunity by 0.000025 percent marks difference in India. At AIIMS 34 general Category Students seats are settled within 1.5% marks difference.

Practically the "forward" thinking would be to get enlisted as "OBC" instead of competing for meager 50% seats. In 2007 when OBC quota will be implemented the effective population with which people will have to compete would be 1.5 billion (overnight!)
What an Individual can achieve by hard work can not be replaced by politics and what politics can achieve, can not substitute for Individual success. The best way is to maximize both. Your charity organiztion is helping people achieve individual outcomes and the decision of OBC issue would act by providing opportunities.



Be realistic and not emotional.


Regards,
Bharat
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Dear Dr. Rattan,

It is not an emotional issue. I have always been against reservation since my childhood. I don't believe in reservation. On one side we are supporting the anti reservation movement, on the otherhand we want to be enlisted as OBC to get the benefits of reservations. This is double standards. Let us do what we believe in. Even if it takes 100 years we need to fight the wrong policies rather than get comfortable by joining them. While, joining as OBC might help the Jat Community per say, what will it do to the nation. I do think beyond the Jat Community also. For me it is the human being that is important, what community he/she belongs to is not as much important. We do have good and bad people in all communities. We as a nation need to get rid of this reservation system and provide a fair opportunity to all our future generations.
 
chhillar said:
If I give you a hypothetical situation where reservation is going to be there in India for another 100 years; what would you want to choose out of these two?

a) Be part of the reservation and get your kids’ fair (or unfair) share of opportunities and on the side push for quality education etc.

b) Engage your kids in protests against reservation for all these 100 years and not allow them to avail their fair (or unfair) share of opportunities and of course on the side push for quality education etc.

Which one, a or b?
I won't keep you guessing about mine, its a.

Also how many of us really believe that reservation won't be there in India anyway in future, if so what is realistic timeline?
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And mine would be (B) even if it takes 100 years. By prolonging a wrong thing it does not become right.
 
This is the way to go on reservation;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1711761,000900010003.htm

Haryana government has done great job by introducing reservation for students passing matriculation from rural schools.. All caste based reservations should be abolished and oly rural boys and girsl should be provided reservation till educational infrastructure in rural areas in brought at par with urban areas.

RK^2
 
rkumar said:
This is the way to go on reservation;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1711761,000900010003.htm

Haryana government has done great job by introducing reservation for students passing matriculation from rural schools.. All caste based reservations should be abolished and oly rural boys and girsl should be provided reservation till educational infrastructure in rural areas in brought at par with urban areas.

RK^2
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I would support it all the way!!!
 
rkumar said:
This is the way to go on reservation;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1711761,000900010003.htm

Haryana government has done great job by introducing reservation for students passing matriculation from rural schools.. All caste based reservations should be abolished and oly rural boys and girsl should be provided reservation till educational infrastructure in rural areas in brought at par with urban areas.

RK^2
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Even though it is better than than the one on caste basis, yet it still does not address needs of the poor living in urban areas. I would say any blanket sanction of reservation whether it is on caste basis or area basis, is detrimental to building a close society. If at all there has to be reservation, it should be based on economics/finances available to a particular student. there should not be any for jobs though.
 
devdahiya said:
Reservation[chahe kisse kissam ki ho...aadammi nei nikkamma te bannawe-e sei.
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saheee...par bina reservation ke ham keetanek kamere (forward) ban ge....
na na ko chhodo, koi raasta deedkaao!!!
 
raj2rif said:
Even though it is better than than the one on caste basis, yet it still does not address needs of the poor living in urban areas. I would say any blanket sanction of reservation whether it is on caste basis or area basis, is detrimental to building a close society. If at all there has to be reservation, it should be based on economics/finances available to a particular student. there should not be any for jobs though.
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for the first time!....dair aye par doorast aye...Col saab raasta bataao...kya karna chahiye, seriously?
 
chhillar said:
for the first time!....dair aye par doorast aye...Col saab raasta bataao...kya karna chahiye, seriously?
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It is neithe "der aya nor durust aya" The statement made by me is clear here as well as in my first post. I have expressed similar views on other posts on the same issue as well.

Help is to be given to the poor people. To me help should be monetery rather than giving advantage on intellect. We may feel happy about getting unfair advantage to ourselves for our short term goals, but we really are not aware the long term damage that reservation has already done and will do in future.

The suggestion is clear. Help the poor students to get to colleges by giving them money for tuition and if needed for coaching. But don't deprive the bright students of other communities in getting into colleges just they don't qualify for reservation quota.

I would love you getting treated by a doctor who scores 22% marks in CPMT (and gets admitted due to reservation) and not by the one who scores 70% and does not become doctor because he did not qualify for reservation.

Same will be the case with our diplomants and engineers, CEOs etc. Let us face the fact that reservation does not bring quality people to forefront. I am sure we all need the best to govern our country.
 
chhillar said:
saheee...par bina reservation ke ham keetanek kamere (forward) ban ge....
na na ko chhodo, koi raasta deedkaao!!!
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Agar jatton ko rasta nahin dikh rha tou wo apni halat ke liye khudd jimmedaar hein.....A kaum which had rotti,kappdda aur makkan from very inception[while others were starving all through] has to blame itself if they are not on top in all departments of life. AAi samajh mei Amit?

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chhillar said:
saheee...par bina reservation ke ham keetanek kamere (forward) ban ge....
na na ko chhodo, koi raasta deedkaao!!!
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Agar jatton ko rasta nahin dikh rha tou wo apni halat ke liye khudd jimmedaar hein.....A kaum which had rotti,kappdda aur makkan from very inception[while others were starving all through] has to blame itself if they are not on top in all departments of life. AAi samajh mei Amit?


Aur jahan takk abb rasta dekhne-dikhane ki baat hei tou tarika abb bhi vahi hei aur tabb bhi vahi tha.....KHUDD KO KARR BULLAND ITTANA KE KHUDDA JATTON SE KHUUD PUUCHHE...BATAO FUFFAO TUMM KE CHAHO SOU.
 
well I THINK in cuming times the scinerio will be diff..........I think all of you shud have a look at this..............



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very rightly said!!

I remember the words of Ch. Bansi lal here.........when ppl used to complain that jats are being exploited in the hands of others.....he used to say let jats face such trials and tribulations........JITNA DABAOGE UTNA UBHAR KAR AAYEGEIN!!!
Though this is bit out of context here...but very much supports the logic behind every kindda exploitation........as also rightly affirmed by dev ji "khudi ko kar buland itna ki har taqdeer se pehle khuda bande se khud pooche bata teri razza kya hai"........
I am not supportin reservation here ....all i am tryin to say is that, also if its there we need to face it with courage and prove ourselves instead feelin jittery bout it.
Policies .....vote banks.....govts.....manifestoes.......selfish interests etc etc........these things will never disappear........its better to make one self strong enough to face them or we ll be butchered too as many others have been in the past.






devdahiya said:
Agar jatton ko rasta nahin dikh rha tou wo apni halat ke liye khudd jimmedaar hein.....A kaum which had rotti,kappdda aur makkan from very inception[while others were starving all through] has to blame itself if they are not on top in all departments of life. AAi samajh mei Amit?


Aur jahan takk abb rasta dekhne-dikhane ki baat hei tou tarika abb bhi vahi hei aur tabb bhi vahi tha.....KHUDD KO KARR BULLAND ITTANA KE KHUDDA JATTON SE KHUUD PUUCHHE...BATAO FUFFAO TUMM KE CHAHO SOU.
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devdahiya said:
Agar jatton ko rasta nahin dikh rha tou wo apni halat ke liye khudd jimmedaar hein.....A kaum which had rotti,kappdda aur makkan from very inception[while others were starving all through] has to blame itself if they are not on top in all departments of life. AAi samajh mei Amit?
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Agar app ka matlab he ki Jat apne aap ko blame karen apni halat ke liye aur sab theek ho gaye ga to konya aai samajh mein.

Aur jahan takk abb rasta dekhne-dikhane ki baat hei tou tarika abb bhi vahi hei aur tabb bhi vahi tha.....KHUDD KO KARR BULLAND ITTANA KE KHUDDA JATTON SE KHUUD PUUCHHE...BATAO FUFFAO TUMM KE CHAHO SOU.
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agar sab apne aap ko buland karne layak hote to help, charity, reservation etc. ki zuroorat hi nahin thee...nyu kahya karen ke Talwaar aur gyan doosre ki liye hota he...Kitne ek sein hade jinne Bhagwan fuffa ke se aur muh mangya de se....aur aisa karne ka tarika kya he 'blame yourself'

thanks!
 
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raj2rif said:
It is neithe "der aya nor durust aya" The statement made by me is clear here as well as in my first post. I have expressed similar views on other posts on the same issue as well.

Help is to be given to the poor people. To me help should be monetery rather than giving advantage on intellect. We may feel happy about getting unfair advantage to ourselves for our short term goals, but we really are not aware the long term damage that reservation has already done and will do in future.

The suggestion is clear. Help the poor students to get to colleges by giving them money for tuition and if needed for coaching. But don't deprive the bright students of other communities in getting into colleges just they don't qualify for reservation quota.

I would love you getting treated by a doctor who scores 22% marks in CPMT (and gets admitted due to reservation) and not by the one who scores 70% and does not become doctor because he did not qualify for reservation.

Same will be the case with our diplomants and engineers, CEOs etc. Let us face the fact that reservation does not bring quality people to forefront. I am sure we all need the best to govern our country.
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der aye doorast aye wali baat to majak mein kahi thi Col saab but what you suggested here is no doubt a valuable thought, I have been working on the same lines for some time now but much much more can be and has to be done. Regards to your feelings about other communities too
 
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Personal Views!

JATon ke saath "OBC" tag to jud gaya par iska Benefit nahi mila aur sirf respect hi kum hua.


Moving against the Reservation only in the present tide is not enough.

If most of the JATs here are against the Reservation then make it complete because in most of the parts of India JATs are recognised as OBC whether they get benefit of it or not (UP JATs - State level OBC, Delhi JATs - State leve OBC, Rajsthan JATs - National level OBC).

So if move against Reservation then move completely & remove JATs from any kind of Reservation they have & full fledged so as to aware all other castes about JATs
or
If favour Reservation then favour completely so as to include JATs in central list of OBC (at national level).


Kum se Kum ek cheej to ho
Respect of "GENERAL" ya Benefit of "OBC"

Filahal naa to JATon ka "GENERAL" wala respect hai aur naa hi "OBC" waala benefit.

& Please don't be imotional because aaj ki date me jo hota hai uspar hi haamare aane waale JAT KIDS aur YUVA JATon ka bhavishya nirbhar karta hai.

Rahi baat success ki to wo to MEHNAT se hi milti hai.
"GENERAL" category RESPECT ____ENCAURAGE YOU which matters a lot
"OBC" category BENEFIT____ONLY HELPS A BIT which matters little

this is the practical thing, IMOTIONS are aside.



Mathematical Analysis

Encouragement by "GEN category RESPECT" gives you
-You will work 20% hard then other
-You need not to bother to produce OBC certificate
-If u even don't fill your category in app form "NO PROBLEM"
-Everybody (SC/ST, OBC & GEN) likes the GEN category
-Aur shan to hai hi jiski koi kimat nahi

Benefits by "OBC category TAG" gives you
-U will qualify on getting 3-5% less marks then GEN candidate
(I want to make clarify here that the difference between OBC & GEN is much narrow then expected)
-Relaxation upto 3 yrs
-May be u work less because of Benefit in mind



So the benefit is less & loss is much

But currently we are not getting any of that so the LOSS IS MUCH MUCH HIGHER.
This may be one of the reason that now a days we the "JATS" are feeling backward in the todays RACE to SUCCESS.
Few of us may have felt the same but I got some bitter words by my OWN JATBHAIs on these words in previous similar thread but I never felt BAD because being imotional is of no mean.


SO either get full RESERVATION
or get full status of GENERAL CATEGORY
beech ka nahi chaahiye

ek chhota sa sher repeat kar raha hu
"E mauze samunder gairat kar, tufa me kashti fir le chal"
"Wo dekh teri naakami par, kamjakhat kinaare haste hai"

My stand is with "NO RESRVATION" because I m a greedy man & greed of Respect first than benefit of OBC.
Such bolne ki aadat se mazboor hu bhai log so please tolerate & reply with cool hands.
BYE
 
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