Khap Panchayat and Indian Judicial System

[samarkadian]

Opposite of Honor Killing!!

I don't know what it shall be called. A Jat Girl (18) along with her lover murdered almost her whole family which includes seven members. Reason came out of investigation is that Boy and Girl both belong to same gotra Dagar in village Ritoli-Kabulpur.

Have a look at the news piece:

चार दिन के सस्पेंस के बाद हरियाणा के कबूलपुर हत्याकांड का सच सामने आ गया। सात लोगों की हत्या करने वाला कोई और नहीं, बल्कि इस परिवार की बेटी सोनम निकली। उसने यह खूनी खेल अपने प्रेमी के साथ मिलकर खेला। दोनों ने सात जानें इसलिए ले लीं, क्योंकि माता-पिता और दादी उनकी शादी में बाधक बन रहे थे। पुलिस ने दोनों को गिरफ्तार कर लिया है।

 

[malikdeepak1]

I don't know what it shall be called. A Jat Girl (18) along with her lover murdered almost her whole family which includes seven members. Reason came out of investigation is that Boy and Girl both belong to same gotra Dagar in village Ritoli-Kabulpur.

Have a look at the news piece:

चार दिन के सस्पेंस के बाद हरियाणा के कबूलपुर हत्याकांड का सच सामने आ गया। सात लोगों की हत्या करने वाला कोई और नहीं, बल्कि इस परिवार की बेटी सोनम निकली। उसने यह खूनी खेल अपने प्रेमी के साथ मिलकर खेला। दोनों ने सात जानें इसलिए ले लीं, क्योंकि माता-पिता और दादी उनकी शादी में बाधक बन रहे थे। पुलिस ने दोनों को गिरफ्तार कर लिया है।

This IS the ugly face of gotra-vivads. The killings done by the girl just shows how the circumstances (Read HONOR KILLINGS) have made them commit such a crime. Same goth ke the donu to un ne dikh liya tha ki byah koni hove unka. Je kar bhi le hai to KHAP aale nahi jeen deve hai. marna un-ne e tha. Gal ghar aalya ki badnaami honi thi, gaam-guhaand te nyaare hona tha.. Is te aachha sare tapka e diye un ne.

The circumstancs have now created a fear factor among such people who are in these kind of relations.

Yes, the killings are not at all the solution of this problem (same goth),honor killings or the crime committed by the girl, but a definite refinement in the system is required to avoid such controversies in future.

 

[vikasbhalothia]

I m against the muslim law , but 4 these kind of people inko bech road par khada kar ke patharo se marna chaiye ,
हवस मे अन्धी इस लड़की को जरा भी दया नहि आयी , जिन्होने इसको पाला पोसा ईतना बड़ा किया . उनको मारते हुऐ इस लड़्की के हाथ नहि कापे

 

[samarkadian]

This IS the ugly face of gotra-vivads. The killings done by the girl just shows how the circumstances (Read HONOR KILLINGS) have made them commit such a crime. Same goth ke the donu to un ne dikh liya tha ki byah koni hove unka. Je kar bhi le hai to KHAP aale nahi jeen deve hai. marna un-ne e tha. Gal ghar aalya ki badnaami honi thi, gaam-guhaand te nyaare hona tha.. Is te aachha sare tapka e diye un ne.

The circumstancs have now created a fear factor among such people who are in these kind of relations.

Yes, the killings are not at all the solution of this problem (same goth),honor killings or the crime committed by the girl, but a definite refinement in the system is required to avoid such controversies in future.

Thank you Spokes Man of the year.

 

[malikdeepak1]

Thank you Spokes Man of the year.

ha ha. Nahi Samarji ye title to Rocky bhai ko hi dijiye, mere kise kaam ka nahi hai ye.
Aapka dhanywad aapne hume is title ke liye chuna

Baki bhay baith rha h ib ise relation aala me. Wo jo karte hai wo hi galat hai sabse pahle to. unki vjah se unke ghar aale badnaam hove se.

but i'm strongly against Honor killings. I don't know the exact circumstances which led that girl to commit such a big crime. But I'm sure that these killings have a certain role in making up her mind set to kill her family members (since they are from same gotra). Uski family wale aginst the unke relation ke coz of same goth, or ve alag rhna nahi chahte ek-dusre se.

Or ye Honor killings ki baat unhe bhi pta hai, since this issue is still very hot there in our area. So unko ye to pta hi tha ki vo agar shadi karenge to unhe sath nahi rahne diya jayega aur most probably Honor Killing ke naam par maar bhi diya jayega.

Need is to change the mindset of people. Aur ye Khap panchahyts ke Honor killings karne se nahi sudhrne wla hai. jab tak ye chlega, i'm sure the incident of Kabulpur will be repeated time and again.

 

[malikdeepak1]

I m against the muslim law , but 4 these kind of people inko bech road par khada kar ke patharo se marna chaiye ,

Jarur maaro bhai, par gal un ne bhi khade kar lo Jo HONOUR KILLINGS ke naam pe in jisa ne maar de se.. No body has right to kill any person in this world. So the LAW should be the same for all!

 

[vikasbhalothia]

Jarur maaro bhai, par gal un ne bhi khade kar lo Jo HONOUR KILLINGS ke naam pe in jisa ne maar de se.. No body has right to kill any person in this world. So the LAW should be the same for all!

honour killing is much better than this

 

[samarkadian]

ha ha. Nahi Samarji ye title to Rocky bhai ko hi dijiye, mere kise kaam ka nahi hai ye.
Aapka dhanywad aapne hume is title ke liye chuna

Baki bhay baith rha h ib ise relation aala me. Wo jo karte hai wo hi galat hai sabse pahle to. unki vjah se unke ghar aale badnaam hove se.

but i'm strongly against Honor killings. I don't know the exact circumstances which led that girl to commit such a big crime. But I'm sure that these killings have a certain role in making up her mind set to kill her family members. Uski family wale aginst the unke relation ke coz of same goth, or ve alag rhna nahi chahte ek-dusre se.

Or ye Honor killings ki baat unhe bhi pta hai, since this issue is still very hot there in our area. So unko ye to pta hi tha ki vo agar shadi karenge to unhe sath nahi rahne diya jayega aur most probably Honor Killing ke naam par maar bhi diya jayega.

Need is to change the mindset of people. Aur ye Khap panchahyts ke Honor killings karne se nahi sudhrne wla hai. jab tak ye chlega, i'm sure the incident of Kabulpur will be repeated time and again.

One need MIND SET to commit such heinous deeds and that too a 18 year old? How did you manage to read their mind sitting hundred kilometers away.? You definitely seem to have a great telepathic skills

I am amazed that while 'Not Knowing' you can justify and rationalize criminal acts so strongly.

In last sentence, you are a dead sure Astrolger as well, Deepak. You beat rocky at every spot.

We wish to hear more of you., Deepak.

 

[malikdeepak1]

One need MIND SET to commit such heinous deeds and that too a 18 year old? How did you manage to read their mind sitting hundred kilometers away.? You definitely seem to have a great telepathic skills

I am amazed that while 'Not Knowing' you can justify and rationalize criminal acts so strongly.

In last sentence, you are a dead sure Astrolger as well, Deepak. You beat rocky at every spot.

We wish to hear more of you., Deepak.

She's is mature right? or jo miane suna h ya news me dekha h uske hisab se wo 19 ki hai. Har aadmi ki ek soch hoti hai, jaise aapki alag hai or meri alag. I think usi soch ke anusar hmara dimag koi baat accept ya reject karta hai. To us ladki ko apne pyar me (I'm not justifying her love is correct) jo soch-smajh me aaya wo usne kar diya, jo ki bilkul galat hai. Er usne poori planning karke maar rakhe hai ghar aale, to definitely MIND to SET hua hi hai sir.

Main uski pairvi nahi kar rha hu ki usne sahi kiya hai. And its not about my telepathic skills Samar, its my point of view, my perception. What i could make out I posted here. May be you found my view point is not on the correct side.

But coz they were from same gotra this thing certainly can't be ruled out. They have agreed that their parents were against their marriege due to same gotra. So they had to take this step. but if you think on this same gotra line then won't you be reminded of the narwana incident At least ONCE? So i thought that this thing also could have contributed in making them such a decision.

aur rahi baat Honor killings ki to I'm against these type of killings. Je Honor killings kare te same goth aale aapas me pyar karen te darre hai to ye donu ek-dusre te dur ho jyave hai.

And I'm not astrologer Sir. And I don't need to justify this thing. Jo mujhe theek laga maine likh diya. Aapko Thik laga ya nahi laga wo aapki soch hai.


Er ye honor killings kare se na Khap aale, kal ne inke ghar me koi isa karega na jib dekhunga ye apne balak ka ke karenge.

By the way you are also DEAD SURE that i'm an "Astrologer" sitting THOUSANDS of kilometers away from me. So you also PREDICT things about others. Is this also some kind of a telepathic skills??

And Yes you will definitely hear more things from me!

 

[malikdeepak1]

honour killing is much better than this

kyu bhai wo kise ke balak nahi hote?? Wo insan nahi he ke?

 

[raka]

kyu bhai wo kise ke balak nahi hote?? Wo insan nahi he ke?

sahi baat kah s bhai .... bakki is chhori n sahi kara , k karti bechaari pyaar to pyaar ho s sari ummar k maa babu gailya thodi kaatni ho s pyaar aale gailya kaatni ho s ......

 

[sunillathwal]

Er ye honor killings kare se na Khap aale, kal ne inke ghar me koi isa karega na jib dekhunga ye apne balak ka ke karenge.

Nth time: Can u give one example where Khap panchayat did/ ordered/ sponsored these honor killings??

 

[malikdeepak1]

Nth time: Can u give one example where Khap panchayat did/ ordered/ sponsored these honor killings??

Of course dude.

Kasandhi gaon h Gohana tehsil k under. us gaam me ek Professor hai(name i don't remem). Kasandhi ke ore-dhore aale sare gamma me Malik goth se. Wo proffesser kise bahar ke gaam te aake bus gya kashandhi me. Wo Malik ki chori byah laaya apne chore ke. Pahle to ath-gaama panchayat ne uska boycott kar diya er uste kahi ke chori ne ulti chhod aao er gaam chodd do. Par usne koe sa kaam nahi karya. To Bhai Khap panchayat hoyi fer 2-3 bar. Professer ko fir se warning di. WO nahi manaya (Jo uski galat baat thi) Un ne rupiye ikatthe kiye usko MAARNE ke liye.
Professor ko pta chal gya. usne police protection le li. Thode din tak kuch nahi hua.

Wo ek din Gohana se wapis ghar aa rha tha apni car me(No one was with him in the car, don kno why). Usko Khanpur gaon ke pass rok liya logo ne or usko bahut buri trah se maara lathiyo se(wo log aspas ke kisi gaon ke nahi the). Uski kismat achi thi ki usi time ek Police patrolling party udhar se ja rahi thi.. unhone kisi trah usko bacha liya par uske hath-pair toot gaye buri trah. 6-7 mhine me chalaan joga hoya wo.

To bhai directly ya indirectly ye Khap wale hi influence karte hai in killings ko. usne galti kari ya baat me maanu hu. Er wo dhaid se ya bhi maanu hu. kise ki nahi maanta wo. Par galti ki sja jaan se maarna nahi hai. Itne hi influencial hai Khap wale to usko gaion se hi kyu nahi nikal dete, jabardsti hi sahi, par gaon se nikal do. Kisi ko jaan se marne ka haq kanoon ne kisi ko nahi de rkha. Kanoon sab ke liye brabar hai. Khap wale 100% involve hote hai HONOUR killings me.

Mere khud ke saamne ki baat se ya kyuki us tam main apne gaam me rhya karta Kasandhe me (Kasandha-kashandi sath-sath h bikul).

Probably sufficient to satisfy your query that Khap panchayats are involved in some way or other in such killings.

 

[malikdeepak1]

sahi baat kah s bhai .... bakki is chhori n sahi kara , k karti bechaari pyaar to pyaar ho s sari ummar k maa babu gailya thodi kaatni ho s pyaar aale gailya kaatni ho s ......

sangwan uncle ji jo usne ladki ne kiya wo bikul galat hai or uski saja milegi usko. I'm not justifying her killings as I mentioned in my previous posts. I'm just against these so called HONOUR KILLINGS.

 

[rakeshsehrawat]

An incident of degradation of our minds.We our culture is going in right direction. Soon there will be merrages of cousins.

Agar log isko justify karte hain to honour killing mein kya buarai hai?

Long live love of jats.

 

[raka]

sangwan uncle ji jo usne ladki ne kiya wo bikul galat hai or uski saja milegi usko. I'm not justifying her killings as I mentioned in my previous posts. I'm just against these so called HONOUR KILLINGS.

ye khaap aale kun s bhai koi sarkaari aadmi ho s k ye , kasute kasai maanas ho s pher to ye

 

[rakeshsehrawat]

ye khaap aale kun s bhai koi sarkaari aadmi ho s k ye , kasute kasai maanas ho s pher to ye

Fansi todan khater kasai koni milte raka ji Sarvakhap aalya ne pakdo.

little knowledge is dangerous thing.

 

[bazardparveen]

She's is mature right? or jo miane suna h ya news me dekha h uske hisab se wo 19 ki hai. Har aadmi ki ek soch hoti hai, jaise aapki alag hai or meri alag. I think usi soch ke anusar hmara dimag koi .......... And Yes you will definitely hear more things from me!

Of course dude.

Kasandhi gaon h Gohana tehsil k under. us gaam me ek Professor hai(name i don't remem). Kasandhi ke ore-dhore aale sare gamma me Malik goth se. Wo proffesser kise bahar ke gaam te aake bus gya kashandhi me. ......................Probably sufficient to satisfy your query that Khap panchayats are involved in some way or other in such killings.

Ist of all, we can't justify act of the girl by any means. Girl who can kill her own family can't be right in any way. Nowhere khap Panchyat are responsible for such a sin.

For honor killing families are responsible not khap panchyat. In the incident given by you, 1st point is that everybody knows that according to tradition in harayana, you can't marry in a gotra of the village where you are leaving. That's our culture. I don't think professor was not aware about this. It looks like he does it intentionally not by mistake.Still, professor was asked to leave the village, killing was not ordered. He didn't obey them something wrong happened. He was not killed, it might be possible that intention was just to scare him otherwise their is no need lathi's to kill anybody. I don't think money was collected for the purpose of killing.

Here I am not justifying the act of beating the professor, i want to say, normally parents or other family members do killing at the name of their honor and prestige. Panchyat normally order the family or couple to leave the village. Panchyat are nowhere responsible for killing.

 

[kapdal]

A disaster that was waiting to happen.....

This is what happens when the powers-to-be resort to "hanga" leadership rather than moral one. Jungle kanoon. Maro ya Maaro. When the leadership in villages throws its weight behind every gotra-vivad, but turns a blind eye to honor killings, what moral authority is it left with? I had asked this earlier on the same thread. Some tried to absolve the khaps, others tried to mock the question. They don't see that to ask a valid question and get a reasonable response is an exercise in strengthening the system (or so I had wished anyways). To ignore it is a symptom of failure. When the authority fails, anarchy prevails. Now the reverse of honor killings has happened, equally disgraceful and disgusting. Next scene- typical hai-tauba by culture-vultures.

They have closed their eyes to what is happening inside villages. When you close your eyes, you can imagine whatever you want. So they imagine an ideal society that functions on moral rules. They don't dare open their eyes.

One can either shout at the top of one's lungs about our "reeti-rivaaz" or take corrective actions to protect the same. Action is effective when you have moral authority. When people know you are right and have faith in you. Either the khaps can wake up now or watch their beloved gotra system collapse like a house of cards. They will have to take appropriate action against all social evils, and not only those that suit them. I hope they can do it.

 

[captkalkal]

Just For the sake of it

Nth time: Can u give one example where Khap panchayat did/ ordered/ sponsored these honor killings??

I do agree, can any of the members speaking against Khap Panchayats cite an example where the Panchayat ordered an honor killing? It is all media hype and we are swept away alongwith.

I do not support whatever the Panchayats have to say but at the same time let us not declare them as demons. Aaapne hi chacha tau hain who sit and participate in all these panchayats and raise their hands when decisions are being made. I personally know for sure that lot of educated people are a part of decision making process.