Kya Hmaari Dharmik Asthayen Badal rehi hein?
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sandeepkadian05
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As long as they are not forcing their faith on me, I don't see the problem. Most religions are based on a work of fiction anyway so its essentially down to which story one likes the most. As long as no one asks me to fast, I am fine with it.
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sunitamaan
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sunitamaan
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Dear Kapil
There is no question of being offensive, One should always remeber whether he/she is not going to hurt some one by asking any question.
There is no question of being offensive, One should always remeber whether he/she is not going to hurt some one by asking any question.
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sunitamaan
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You are again trying to hurt by what you have written bracket
सुनीता जी, देशवाल सर ने कब बोला है की नवरात्रे (or whatever) रखना अपराध है??
your post seems to harsh (and for no reason)!!
samarkadian
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Your beliefs seems to be quite vulnerable. Nah? I heard fastings give you mental strength, unevident still.
It is your perorgative to get hurt or take positvely which you dont believe. If criticism hurts, it is for right thing.
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sunitamaan
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My faith is intact on its place, It's not criticism, some people always try to hurt others
My faith is intact on its place, It's not criticism, some people always try to hurt others
akshaymalik84
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Go not to the temple to put flowers upon the feet of God,
First fill your own house with the fregnence of love,
Go not to the temple to light candles before the altar of God,
First remove the darkness of sin from your heart.
Go not to temple to bow down your head in prayers,
First learn to bow in humility before your fellowman,
Go not to temple to pray on bended knees,
First bend down to lift someone who is down trodden,
Go not to temple to ask for forgiveness for your sins,
First forgive from your heart those who have sinned against you!
-Rabinder Nath Tagore
First fill your own house with the fregnence of love,
Go not to the temple to light candles before the altar of God,
First remove the darkness of sin from your heart.
Go not to temple to bow down your head in prayers,
First learn to bow in humility before your fellowman,
Go not to temple to pray on bended knees,
First bend down to lift someone who is down trodden,
Go not to temple to ask for forgiveness for your sins,
First forgive from your heart those who have sinned against you!
-Rabinder Nath Tagore
Dear Sunitaji,
To this I can say that some people are always trying to get hurt. Let's be clear. It is not as if Deswal uncleji would have been sitting on his couch getting bored and suddenly thought of a wicked way to hurt you. He had clearly given the context followed by reasoning in his initial post. You don't have to agree with it, but why take offense when none was intended? You could have engaged him in a debate on how sanjhi, etc. have always been an integral part of Jats' lives; rather than getting into hyperbole of "aastha ko thes", "insaan ki insaaniyat" types. If you see his subsequent post, he is still trying to engage you in a peaceful debate. I hope you are upto it.
Regards,
Kapil
Shekhawati, Raj.
I do not know about Haryana but I have seen one person fasting in my area from each family in "Navratras". My father used to fast and after him my eldest brother started fasting.
For Rakesh: In my area, Jats still do not use fire crackers on Diwali. We celebrate it as peaceful as possible only with lots of "Diyas", Lights and candles and loads of sweets. Holi also still has almost the same things, fire crackers, colors next day, visiting each other in village. early morning, one person from each family goes to the fields and brings some green leaves/small branch of "Khejdi/Jaanti" tree. singing "Faag" is loosing its importance now as people go away for may purposes, work late nights etc. I must say that playing holi with devar/bhabhi is not that much evident now but it was as my mother tells.
Gangaur and Teez are other festivals celebrated in Shekhawati area of Rajasthan. "Melas" are organized on both these occasions.
About Sunita Ji's post: She has asked a question about our dressing changes and no one is questioning about that and she is trying to say that people change their customs/traditions/beliefs according their own comfort and if some one else does the same, they start questioning. Why did we change our dressing sense, why do not we still wear Dhoti, Kurta, Pagdi and raw leather Jutis.
It looks like I go to office at 9 am and you do not or vice versa, why? Is this a relevant question?
I think, its up to the person what he likes and we should not comment on someone's beliefs, rather we should respect it. If someone asks you why you are not following certain things then you have every right to question whatever you feel about that. No one is forcing/asking you to do things against your will so let others do what they like to do.
PS: No offence is intended to anyone.
I do not know about Haryana but I have seen one person fasting in my area from each family in "Navratras". My father used to fast and after him my eldest brother started fasting.
For Rakesh: In my area, Jats still do not use fire crackers on Diwali. We celebrate it as peaceful as possible only with lots of "Diyas", Lights and candles and loads of sweets. Holi also still has almost the same things, fire crackers, colors next day, visiting each other in village. early morning, one person from each family goes to the fields and brings some green leaves/small branch of "Khejdi/Jaanti" tree. singing "Faag" is loosing its importance now as people go away for may purposes, work late nights etc. I must say that playing holi with devar/bhabhi is not that much evident now but it was as my mother tells.
Gangaur and Teez are other festivals celebrated in Shekhawati area of Rajasthan. "Melas" are organized on both these occasions.
About Sunita Ji's post: She has asked a question about our dressing changes and no one is questioning about that and she is trying to say that people change their customs/traditions/beliefs according their own comfort and if some one else does the same, they start questioning. Why did we change our dressing sense, why do not we still wear Dhoti, Kurta, Pagdi and raw leather Jutis.
It looks like I go to office at 9 am and you do not or vice versa, why? Is this a relevant question?
I think, its up to the person what he likes and we should not comment on someone's beliefs, rather we should respect it. If someone asks you why you are not following certain things then you have every right to question whatever you feel about that. No one is forcing/asking you to do things against your will so let others do what they like to do.
PS: No offence is intended to anyone.
rakeshsehrawat
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सीताराम जी आपने आच्छा याद दिलवाया दिवाली पर पहली बार खेत से ५ गन्ने तोड़ के लाये जाते हैं
होली पर लड़कियां अपने भाई के सर पर एक जंगली फूल (कंडाइ पीले रंग का या देसी बासे का ) रखती हैं और भाई बहन को पैसे देता है जैसे भाई दूज में होता है !
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prashantacmet
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All these rituals were invented by brahmins to enslave other communities as well as to feed themselves. Jats tried to deny those false stories from centuries but as the times passed on, their efforts were proved futile. First, it were the jat women who were lured by. Now the urban jats are the latest victims
. I don't see in my village any jat -man trapped in this fasting stuff. These are the urban jats who are thronging the temples
. I don't see in my village any jat -man trapped in this fasting stuff. These are the urban jats who are thronging the templesराकेश भाई
विशार्जन से दो दिन पहले एक छोटे बच्चे का चित्र भी सांझी के साथ बना दिया जाता है !
बचपन में ऐसा सुनते थे, वो सांझी का भाई है , उसे लिवाने आया है !
आपने जो चित्र पोस्ट किये हैं उन भी एक बालक सांझी के बाएं और खडा है !
आप क्या जानते हैं इसके बारे में ?
क्या सांझी किसी देवी का प्रतिक है ?
अगर सांझी किसी देवी का प्रतिक है, तब वह बालक कौन है?
rakeshsehrawat
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Deswal ji mujhe is baare mein jyada to nahi pata par meine ye sab dekha hai. Jo dekha aur yaad hai wahi likh raha hoon.
sanjeev_balyan
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देशवाल जी ,
इस बदलाव में टीवी का बड़ा योगदान रहा है होरोस्कोप हर हिंदी चैनल पर दैनिक रूप से २ से ३ बार आता है कई चैनल इंडिया टीवी टाइप तो दिन भर इस्सी काम में लगे रहते है . धार्मिक भीरु लोग इनके चक्कर में जल्दी फंस जाते है. शेहरो के लोग जयादा परभावित हुए है नौकरी पैसा लोगो क पास टाइम भी काफी रहता है यह देखकर हैरानी होती है की अछे पढ़े लिखे लोग भी इन सब में व्यस्त है इन लोगो को इनकी देवी और देवता से प्यार नहीं डर ज्यादा लगता है इस्सी डर से इन सब कुछ म , लगे रहते है की कंही देवी जी रूष्ट न हो जाये
लकिन अब तो गांवो में भी छोटी छोटी डिशे दिखाई देने लगी है गांवो में भी इन सब का परकोप नजदीक भविष्य में देखने को मिलेगा हमारा जाट समाज कभी भी इतना अन्धविश्वासी नहीं रहा जितना आजकल होता जा रहा है किसान को तो उसके काम से ही फुर्सत नहीं होती थी उसकी घरवाली भी उससे कम व्यस्त नहीं रहती थी आजकल मशीनी युग की वजह से गांवो में भी टाइम काफी मिलता है जिसका पर्योग कुछ लोग इन सब म बीजी होकर करने लगे है
yudhvirmor
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I am not a very religious person and never kept fast. Though I abstain from boozing and eating non veg on Tuesday (I really don't have reason why i do it on Tuesday. May be because of family tradition or may be because I strongly believe that Hanu Maan is jat 
)
I think religion plays an important part in shaping up our personalities and many times we need some guiding principles to understand or decide our Actions/Vision.
For Eg. Bigamy is very normal in Islam but Hinduism doesn't say much about it (Though Sri Krishana used to have many wives and gfs ). However, When we read literature about Hinduism, we get some idea that its not a favored practice in our religion, tradition and culture(I feel all these three things are not mutually exclusive ). Our Psyche shapes up on the basis of these parameters and once we become intellectuals, we start questioning our Religion and its practices.
I worked with couple of people from Eastern European countries( True Communist) and majority of these people were born and brought in the shadow of communism.. None of them ever baptized and I realized that they are very confused when it comes to define right and wrong..)
Like any other religion, Hinduism has its own problems( I found it very pessimist religion and most of the practices are about sacrifice, principles and no fun). However, When I try to compare it with others, I found it amazing..I was never asked by anybody that I should not go to Mosque or to Church. No Pandit ever asked me to spread Hinduism or ask some poor guys in Africa to become Hindu for 5 Kg rice. Hinduism taught us tolerance, Mutual respect, Rationale behavior and Spirituality.
)I think religion plays an important part in shaping up our personalities and many times we need some guiding principles to understand or decide our Actions/Vision.
For Eg. Bigamy is very normal in Islam but Hinduism doesn't say much about it (Though Sri Krishana used to have many wives and gfs
). However, When we read literature about Hinduism, we get some idea that its not a favored practice in our religion, tradition and culture(I feel all these three things are not mutually exclusive ). Our Psyche shapes up on the basis of these parameters and once we become intellectuals, we start questioning our Religion and its practices. I worked with couple of people from Eastern European countries( True Communist) and majority of these people were born and brought in the shadow of communism.. None of them ever baptized and I realized that they are very confused when it comes to define right and wrong..)
Like any other religion, Hinduism has its own problems( I found it very pessimist religion and most of the practices are about sacrifice, principles and no fun). However, When I try to compare it with others, I found it amazing..I was never asked by anybody that I should not go to Mosque or to Church. No Pandit ever asked me to spread Hinduism or ask some poor guys in Africa to become Hindu for 5 Kg rice. Hinduism taught us tolerance, Mutual respect, Rationale behavior and Spirituality.
nishantrathi82
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Bilkul saahe kaha apne Sir Agree with you haan badaal raahe hain dharmik asthayeen. Major reason is Media again.
Mujhe auro na naahe paata mai agar aisa kuch kaarta hun to sirf issliye k isse mere Mummy ko khushi milte hai and baaki peeet ko araam mil jaaata hai that's it. Jo iss sab me vishwas rakhte hain i am not against those. We all are free.
But apne bilkul saaahe kaaha sir g i am 100% agree with u
nishantrathi82
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singhabhimanyu
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im an atheist but मज्जा आता था TV देखण मै, वे फर्जी देवता फूल फेक्या करते उप्पर तै. स्टोरी एक तै एक nd सै, एक नै अपने छोरे का गला काट कै भीत मैं दे मारया. एक नै अपनी बहु ज़मीन मैं टुल्का दी, एक सूरज नै सेब समझ कै खान उड़ लिया. एक मुरली सी बजा बजा कै छोरिया नै पटा गया. वरदान भी एक तै एक दे दिया करते. "हे माते, अम्बा ने मेरको देख के आँखें बंद कर ली, इब म्हारा छोर्रा आंधा होवेगा". "हे राजन, ले यो लाडू खा जया तेरे १०० बालक होंगे". "हे वानरराज, तेरे आगे जो भी आवेगा उसकी आधी ताक़त तेरे मैं आके जुड़ जागी".