Love verses hatred

[dkumars]

How many are Non-Veg here ??? Those who are please dont shout love love love ... Killing a fellow being and eating is hatred but not love. If not then try out ur hands on ur beloved ones... start even frm ur pets

 

[devdahiya]

God has given us two hands also thru which either u can build a city or can slaughter a full fledged town. It all depends how u use them. Both ways hands are hands there is no fault of hands if they construct or destruct.

Are hands positive or negative???
There is nothing positive or negative. Its how u perceive. They are all notions to which we give our own definition.

Devender........In what context this example was sighted........kindly read your inputs once more.Hack of it or what........How can you even remotely associate hands with those two emotions please.

 

[devdahiya]

How many are Non-Veg here ??? Those who are please dont shout love love love ... Killing a fellow being and eating is hatred but not love. If not then try out ur hands on ur beloved ones... start even frm ur pets

Does it make any difference at all.

 

[devdahiya]

How can we trust that subject's purpose is good? and to be more precise, even if he is thinking he is doing good, we cannot generalize that its good for society at large. example terrorist.



I agree that emotion given by god does not make sure that it will impart positive impact, however, I don't think that hatred cannot bring positive change in person or society. as you yourself said that it is application of these emotions which will decide the outcome, So, we cannot be sure whether the emotion(LOVE/HATRED) is bringing positive or negative.

Yes i agree Amit as emotions can not be apparent and we can not surely judge as to what happened due to a proper harboring but i am more than sure in case of true love that net result(unless misunderstood) will be generally good and hence the generalization to that extent ......However the same can not be advocated for the other Emotion called Hatred as the net result will always be destruction.........Hatred is the extreme stage of anguish and that is where a person is at his lowest logical thinking capability and thus can not ensure a proper application of actions.

 

[shweta123]

I HATE it !

Well, I dont get how can someone call 'hate' a bad word !

Don't we hate people who are fake and quack and still talk about ethics and morals?

Dont we hate many a daily routine activities for example ... people often say that I hate washing my clothes ... or I hate toriee ki sabji ....

Dont we hate crooked politicians and their [FONT=&quot]iniquitous politics?

Dont we hate to be late at work or a meeting?

Dont we hate reading some stupid discussion which seems to be appealing but we end up feeling cheated

'Hate is just an awareness that something is bad, combined with an urge to withdraw from it'

What is bad in hating bad things ?????

I wonder if we start loving everything (both good & bad) then we will soon get extinct ! Hate is not bad at all - it depends on what we hate ![/FONT]

Dont know why are we complicating such straight & simple thing !

 

[devdahiya]

Well, I dont get how can someone call 'hate' a bad word !

Don't we hate people who are fake and quack and still talk about ethics and morals?

Dont we hate many a daily routine activities for example ... people often say that I hate washing my clothes ... or I hate toriee ki sabji ....

Dont we hate crooked politicians and their [FONT=&quot]iniquitous politics?

Dont we hate to be late at work or a meeting?

Dont we hate reading some stupid discussion which seems to be appealing but we end up feeling cheated

'Hate is just an awareness that something is bad, combined with an urge to withdraw from it'

What is bad in hating bad things ?????

I wonder if we start loving everything (both good & bad) then we will soon get extinct ! Hate is not bad at all - it depends on what we hate ![/FONT]

Dont know why are we complicating such straight & simple thing !

At it again...nothing new....Hack of it ..this. On expected lines...but i will love this too....URGE TO WITHDRAW.....U SAID IT ALL.

 

[dkumars]

Devender........In what context this example was sighted........kindly read your inputs once more.Hack of it or what........How can you even remotely associate hands with those two emotions please.

Kaka the context was that both the emotions are neutral. None of them are bad or gud. Its we who make them positive or negative. And both are required. This is what i wanted to convey thru that exapmle. Was it wrong ?

 

[devdahiya]

Kaka the context was that both the emotions are neutral. None of them are bad or gud. Its we who make them positive or negative. And both are required. This is what i wanted to convey thru that exapmle. Was it wrong ?

Hahahahahahaha.....Thheek sei.Likhta reh nywein.

 

[dkumars]

Does it make any difference at all.

Come on kaka ... Does it not make any difference?
You(generalized) eat fellow being(without any completion or majboori) where u have shown ur hatred and then talking of love? Is it love u killing a fellow being?

Is it justified killing creatures and then preach for love? I dont know who are veg and non-veg including u .. but this is what i feel.

Kaka this all what i said i in general so please dont take personally. Kaka log bahut chalak hai aajkal ... muh mein ram bagal mein churri waale bahut hai ... Aise aa ke love love love 1000 baar bolne se love nahi hota. Usse feel karna padta hai ... dosre ke dukh ko mehsoos karke love aata hai ... chalo chodo kyo senti hua jaaye ... topic hai 4 line likho aur mast majje maaro ... yooooooooooo :rock

 

[devdahiya]

Come on kaka ... Does it not make any difference?
You(generalized) eat fellow being(without any completion or majboori) where u have shown ur hatred and then talking of love? Is it love u killing a fellow being?

Is it justified killing creatures and then preach for love? I dont know who are veg and non-veg including u .. but this is what i feel.

Kaka this all what i said i in general so please dont take personally. Kaka log bahut chalak hai aajkal ... muh mein ram bagal mein churri waale bahut hai ... Aise aa ke love love love 1000 baar bolne se love nahi hota. Usse feel karna padta hai ... dosre ke dukh ko mehsoos karke love aata hai ... chalo chodo kyo senti hua jaaye ... topic hai 4 line likho aur mast majje maaro ... yooooooooooo :rock

I know.......What people do..pakka.Tannei kuchh na galat likh rakhya...Non-veg nahin khana chahiye par jei koe kha sei tei bhai usski majbuurri sei.Bang on!

 

[dkumars]

I know.......What people do..pakka.Tannei kuchh na galat likh rakhya...Non-veg nahin khana chahiye par jei koe kha sei tei bhai usski majbuurri sei.Bang on!

Kaka ... manne isse maare likhya tha ki compulsion ya majboori nahi ... duniya mein 50 % se jyada log shauk ke liye non veg khaate hai ... mein chinese/koreans ki baat nahi kar raha

India mein anaaz ki kami nahi hai ... par fir bhi roz laakhon bakre murge suar , gaay katt te hai .. aur mere hisaab se woh hatred ka ek jeeta jaagta example hai ...... majboori mein insaan ko apna ang bhi khana padd sakta hai survival ke liye par shauk ke liye chicken butter masala aur tandoori chicken toh majboori nahi hota kaka ...

chalo chodo chichken, mutton ko .. lets back to the topic

 

[mittu]

Hatred is the extreme stage of anguish and that is where a person is at his lowest logical thinking capability and thus can not ensure a proper application of actions.

In Mahabharta, Dhritarastra had become blind to all his senses and his mind was also befogged by the blind love for his son Duryodhana. While shakuni was planning gambling stage, Vidura was aghast to know this plan. He went to Dhritarastra and pleaded with him to stop such an immoral act. but dhritarastra din't and even draupadi's disrobing!!!!
Duryodhana lost his senses in hatred caused by draupadi's derison but dhritarastra lost his senses in LOVE, for his son.

phewww!!! I know my case study was long time back and few people don't even trust them however this phenomenon of parents being in blind love for their kids is applicable today as well.

My point is that HATRED as well as LOVE can make people act irrationally, illogically. It also depends upon logical capability of subject(Ayn rand's fan can understand what i want to say!!)

i am more than sure in case of true love that net result(unless misunderstood) will be generally good and hence the generalization to that extent ......However the same can not be advocated for the other Emotion called Hatred as the net result will always be destruction...

Sir, i'll appreciate if you could elaborate on case of true love, i mean how is it different from normal love and an example would be great help

 

[anilsinghd]

Love is a positive emotion and no amount of it can be bad provided the object understands the purpose and subject monitors the object well.So saying excess of love can be bad as bizarre.Hatred on the other hand can never be positive...even a small dose of it can destroy the subject/the object and may be both in spite of these being NATURAL emotions.Justifying that God has given these emotions to us in a natural way does not justify towards the appropriate natural positive impact automatically........It is the application of these emotions;which will decide the outcome. Hatred destroys the very essence of love and much beyond that.

Dev Sir , i fail to understand how can one have an contextual and an absolute approch go hand in hand ? On one hand yurslef ( Poonam included ) are writins that the context tells whats right and whats wrong , and on the other saying hatred is negative , destructive , and "True" love or wahtever kind of love is always good.....

It fails my senses really , please elaborate....

Also what i fail to why you are so willing to categorise the examples by myself , Amit , Dev as case specific and not willing wnough to apprecaite that the exercise of the emotions ( love , hate or else) should also be viewed in the light of context.


Hate for violence obviates the love for non-violence.

Love (read it indulgence) for someone almost always means the "not-love" for something else.
Being a mathematician , cant escape thinking of negative as (less of positive).

Imagine a young guy who got married. Excess love for his wife , total indulgence is justified? What about the parents , the other family , the friends?
I would go further to categorise this love as a crime against those who are affected.


Try and think about the arguments presented.

Dont hop between a contextual and absolute approach , it can only be one of them ...........

 

[devdahiya]

That will surely help me stretch my imagination:



Anil,please try understand what i said and what i mean to say.When i say that love is a positive emotion,it means situational only........ie if i love my wife a lot.....it will make her happy and she too will love me more......but the moment you get parents,brothers and sisters taking exception to my so much of love to my wife...the situation gets altered in the sense of comparison....answer to this quary is......i must love my family members also with same intensity if you want to avoid situational hazards....else let the love for wifw remain situational and just don't bring the family in between.........i am talking one step at one given time and not the various repurcussions steming out of that.


Same way if i hate some one........i will carry only bad feeling for him/her all the time and will always remain pre-occupied with negative thoughts about that person which i suppose will never do any good to me.Please try grasp..what i want to say dear.

 

[anilsinghd]

That will surely help me stretch my imagination:



Anil,please try understand what i said and what i mean to say.When i say that love is a positive emotion,it means situational only........ie if i love my wife a lot.....it will make her happy and she too will love me more......but the moment you get parents,brothers and sisters taking exception to my so much of love to my wife...the situation gets altered in the sense of comparison....answer to this quary is......i must love my family members also with same intensity if you want to avoid situational hazards....else let the love for wifw remain situational and just don't bring the family in between.........i am talking one step at one given time and not the various repurcussions steming out of that.


Same way if i hate some one........i will carry only bad feeling for him/her all the time and will always remain pre-occupied with negative thoughts about that person which i suppose will never do any good to me.Please try grasp..what i want to say dear.

That is some clarification.. So you agree that a contextual approach is the best to deal ?

Dr. Neelam said that in her only post thus far i guess...

Now if we can agree ona contextual approach, let me know what are your thoughts on the specific examples by myself , Amit , Dev , Shweta on the positive results of a "hate" ?


I am not denying the fact that hate can be bad , i am only against the usage of the word "always" for the hate , i.e. specifically find this hard to gupl : " Hate always is bad! " !

 

[devdahiya]

That is some clarification.. So you agree that a contextual approach is the best to deal ?

Dr. Neelam said that in her only post thus far i guess...

Now if we can agree ona contextual approach, let me know what are your thoughts on the specific examples by myself , Amit , Dev , Shweta on the positive results of a "hate" ?


I am not denying the fact that hate can be bad , i am only against the usage of the word "always" for the hate , i.e. specifically find this hard to gupl : " Hate always is bad! " !

Anil to be very frank......i found no positives of hatred in my life and hence i am of this opinion bhai.If some one can give me some better insight,i am ready to change my thinking but till then so far so good.

 

[choudharyneelam]

Neelam I guess no one here says that love is not required. But there are places and situations where particular emotion is required. Here love is requred to stay connected. Now, assume u r in a war fight for ur nation. Is love towards ur enemy required???
Guys kindly be practicle here and don go toh woh saint's updesh. If u wont kill him then he will kill u. Ain't hatred required here. And yeah this is positive also because u have saved ur country from destruction which is constructive. I do not wnat to convince anyone but this is my understanding.

Friend, main koi updesh dene mein interest nahin rakhti warna main bhi kisi ko Guru mantra de rahi hoti

I do hate people with worst character. Then what you talking about putting me as fighter then definitely I'll kill the one who will try to look with bad feelings at my country (If I would be the part of Armed Forces) but its not hating somebody when you kill the person for saftey.....people are killed but burried or their dead bodies are put on fire with full regards.....kyunki marne wala bhi insaan tha....maine to abhi tak Indian Armed Forces ko dead bodies ke saath khelte na dekha aur na suna as there was no hate but a sense of security for all......Hate ko killing se relate mat karo.....aisa karne waale deemag se defected hote hain.

People are killed not for hate but for safety first. Hate karne ke liye kaun hote hain meri list mein, ye maine bata diya.

I hope this time you got my viewpoint.

 

[dkumars]

Friend, main koi updesh dene mein interest nahin rakhti warna main bhi kisi ko Guru mantra de rahi hoti

I do hate people with worst character. Then what you talking about putting me as fighter then definitely I'll kill the one who will try to look with bad feelings at my country (If I would be the part of Armed Forces) but its not hating somebody when you kill the person for saftey.....people are killed but burried or their dead bodies are put on fire with full regards.....kyunki marne wala bhi insaan tha....maine to abhi tak Indian Armed Forces ko dead bodies ke saath khelte na dekha aur na suna as there was no hate but a sense of security for all......Hate ko killing se relate mat karo.....aisa karne waale deemag se defected hote hain.

People are killed not for hate but for safety first. Hate karne ke liye kaun hote hain meri list mein, ye maine bata diya.

I hope this time you got my viewpoint.

The only thing I can say is this

 

[anilsinghd]

Comment guys ?

on the attached pic ...


seems like love and hate are just the same things

 

[devdahiya]

Comment guys ?

on the attached pic ...


seems like love and hate are just the same things

There is a difference.....Anil.......very distinct one.......Hatred has her hands on her bums and the Love has her hands on her waist.............!


nice picture but it is not possible in reality for these two divrse virtues to co-exist........man(say woman in this context) can manipulate things this way.