drnchaudhry
New member
Jitender Singh Ji,
I hope you would not mind if I request you to expand your point of view further.
Can you please....
malika sehrawat....shud we fell feel proud or embarassed?
- Thread starter deepika
- Start date
- Status
Jitender Singh Ji,
I hope you would not mind if I request you to expand your point of view further.
Can you please....
Well, finally I rented a DVD and saw the film Khwahish.
First, the story is very interesting. A rich guy falls in love with a girl from a less than middle class family. As per Indian mentality, the boy's father is not happy. The boy chooses to marry the girl and devotes himself to her when they find out that she has a terminal disease - leukemia. They try to enjoy themselves after they found out her disease. He remains devoted to her till the end. Good.
Second, about their exposure. What is the big deal? They were married and were trying to enjoy themselves on the beaches or wherever. What is the issue?
This was a better story & presentation than most cheap stuff they produce in bollywood.
First, the story is very interesting. A rich guy falls in love with a girl from a less than middle class family. As per Indian mentality, the boy's father is not happy. The boy chooses to marry the girl and devotes himself to her when they find out that she has a terminal disease - leukemia. They try to enjoy themselves after they found out her disease. He remains devoted to her till the end. Good.
Second, about their exposure. What is the big deal? They were married and were trying to enjoy themselves on the beaches or wherever. What is the issue?
This was a better story & presentation than most cheap stuff they produce in bollywood.
J
jitendersingh
Guest
Dear Dr. Dudee,
Perhaps in trying to be liberal we are forgetting our moral values and work ethics. On the other hand we are not educating our children on issues like sex, and more importantly gender equality. What we are doing is that to look good and liberal we are justifying a deed which is against our cultural ethics.
My idea is that what we should do is to educate the next generation properly about the consequencies of such an atmosphere and then letting them decide the way they wanna go.
What happened in the case of Mallika was the we are still residing in a rigid society. Such and act will only create anger unless people are rational in their thought. What will be the consequencies of such an act that a few talented girls opting acting as career will be disallowed. Everybody doen't have as good luck as Mallika. Additionally what she did was not an art. This probably you also know, that it was more of an publicity stunt.
Perhaps in trying to be liberal we are forgetting our moral values and work ethics. On the other hand we are not educating our children on issues like sex, and more importantly gender equality. What we are doing is that to look good and liberal we are justifying a deed which is against our cultural ethics.
My idea is that what we should do is to educate the next generation properly about the consequencies of such an atmosphere and then letting them decide the way they wanna go.
What happened in the case of Mallika was the we are still residing in a rigid society. Such and act will only create anger unless people are rational in their thought. What will be the consequencies of such an act that a few talented girls opting acting as career will be disallowed. Everybody doen't have as good luck as Mallika. Additionally what she did was not an art. This probably you also know, that it was more of an publicity stunt.
drnchaudhry
New member
Dear Mr. Jitender Singh Jee,
Greetings!
I appreciate your time and thanks for being direct and to the point. Following are my explanations to your point of views and please note that I do not expect your agreement with me.
Its not about being liberal or look good, to me its about being simple human and feal good about ourselves and people we come across in our lives. Live your life, the way, you want it to be and let others made their own choices. The guidance and recommendation are fine but please do not make decision for others. If you want to help people - excellent! help them in the very process so that they can make their mind. Worst thing we can do is to make someone dependant.
Values change with the time and change is the other name of continuous progress. We can not apply out dated values of the past the same way we are not calling our girls Gindori, Manbhari, Bharpai etc and boys Harful, Banwari, Take ram etc any more. It does not mean that these name are not sweet but simply does not excite todays parents. Arya samaj played an effective role in the past but I am sorry to say that it is almost outdated at the present due to lack of continuous development.
For the education on the sex and gender equality we need to accept individual identity on the first place. Then we can discuss both matters by regarding everyone's openion instead of pushing our own.
Individuals make the society. We can not get off from our responsibility by simply bowing to the so called rigidity. It will be injustice to ourselves. This rigidity in itself is the sence of some kind of insecurity.
Luck to me is the opportunity with preparation. Its good if both are present and bad if any one of the above is missing.
Regarding the role of the actress - it may be work of the art or mere publicity I do not know, what I know? It is someone's personal matter why to make it a social issue.
Thanks,
Greetings!
I appreciate your time and thanks for being direct and to the point. Following are my explanations to your point of views and please note that I do not expect your agreement with me.
Its not about being liberal or look good, to me its about being simple human and feal good about ourselves and people we come across in our lives. Live your life, the way, you want it to be and let others made their own choices. The guidance and recommendation are fine but please do not make decision for others. If you want to help people - excellent! help them in the very process so that they can make their mind. Worst thing we can do is to make someone dependant.
Values change with the time and change is the other name of continuous progress. We can not apply out dated values of the past the same way we are not calling our girls Gindori, Manbhari, Bharpai etc and boys Harful, Banwari, Take ram etc any more. It does not mean that these name are not sweet but simply does not excite todays parents. Arya samaj played an effective role in the past but I am sorry to say that it is almost outdated at the present due to lack of continuous development.
For the education on the sex and gender equality we need to accept individual identity on the first place. Then we can discuss both matters by regarding everyone's openion instead of pushing our own.
Individuals make the society. We can not get off from our responsibility by simply bowing to the so called rigidity. It will be injustice to ourselves. This rigidity in itself is the sence of some kind of insecurity.
Luck to me is the opportunity with preparation. Its good if both are present and bad if any one of the above is missing.
Regarding the role of the actress - it may be work of the art or mere publicity I do not know, what I know? It is someone's personal matter why to make it a social issue.
Thanks,
J
jitendersingh
Guest
Dear Dr. Dudee,
Obviously it is the nature of every natural entity to be distinct from the other. Even I don't want to push up my thoughts, because I even don't expect my best of the friends to agree to that.
The benefits of such debates is that we come across with people with different thoughts. Certainly, I also won't agree to everything in the debate, but I am certainly gaining in what people do think on such issues, where I am still a bit reserved.
Now, the point I want to press is that I have really seen girls struggling to get their due, only because such acts (as Mallika's) are still considered against their culture and parents fear that even their girls may bring disrepute to their families.
Had there been rational society I would certainly favour your point of view (as your signature too indicate), but in the society we live such acts strike against the rights of thousands of innocent people.
I still do not expect you to agree to me, but that is my view point.
Obviously it is the nature of every natural entity to be distinct from the other. Even I don't want to push up my thoughts, because I even don't expect my best of the friends to agree to that.
The benefits of such debates is that we come across with people with different thoughts. Certainly, I also won't agree to everything in the debate, but I am certainly gaining in what people do think on such issues, where I am still a bit reserved.
Now, the point I want to press is that I have really seen girls struggling to get their due, only because such acts (as Mallika's) are still considered against their culture and parents fear that even their girls may bring disrepute to their families.
Had there been rational society I would certainly favour your point of view (as your signature too indicate), but in the society we live such acts strike against the rights of thousands of innocent people.
I still do not expect you to agree to me, but that is my view point.
Dear Jitender:
We are the society. We should not apply double standards. Boys are also involved in those Mallika-like acts. Why is it okay for them to get away with all that disrepute - any there is any? We need to change our outlook to a more rational one. That is the only way.
]Jitender Singh (Oct 17, 2003 12:26 p.m.):
Dear Dr. Dudee,
Obviously it is the nature of every natural entity to be distinct from the other. Even I don't want to push up my thoughts, because I even don't expect my best of the friends to agree to that.
The benefits of such debates is that we come across with people with different thoughts. Certainly, I also won't agree to everything in the debate, but I am certainly gaining in what people do think on such issues, where I am still a bit reserved.
Now, the point I want to press is that I have really seen girls struggling to get their due, only because such acts (as Mallika's) are still considered against their culture and parents fear that even their girls may bring disrepute to their families.
Had there been rational society I would certainly favour your point of view (as your signature too indicate), but in the society we live such acts strike against the rights of thousands of innocent people.
I still do not expect you to agree to me, but that is my view point.[/quote]
We are the society. We should not apply double standards. Boys are also involved in those Mallika-like acts. Why is it okay for them to get away with all that disrepute - any there is any? We need to change our outlook to a more rational one. That is the only way.
]Jitender Singh (Oct 17, 2003 12:26 p.m.):
Dear Dr. Dudee,
Obviously it is the nature of every natural entity to be distinct from the other. Even I don't want to push up my thoughts, because I even don't expect my best of the friends to agree to that.
The benefits of such debates is that we come across with people with different thoughts. Certainly, I also won't agree to everything in the debate, but I am certainly gaining in what people do think on such issues, where I am still a bit reserved.
Now, the point I want to press is that I have really seen girls struggling to get their due, only because such acts (as Mallika's) are still considered against their culture and parents fear that even their girls may bring disrepute to their families.
Had there been rational society I would certainly favour your point of view (as your signature too indicate), but in the society we live such acts strike against the rights of thousands of innocent people.
I still do not expect you to agree to me, but that is my view point.[/quote]
bhuvanmirdha
Banned
I don't know why someone felt to put this topic in the forum, as this is an individual issue and if one can imagine an actror's feeling then he/she will find whatever he/she does without violating IPC rules to be succeed in career is shouldn't be a matter of such a strong discussion. That Malika did what sher felt true, for her career,and as she is newcomer she has to do this.... and if someone wants to change this trend in the cinema then should start a big campaign for "Not to see these movies"so newcomers wouldn't go to this short path , then only the discussion will be worthy, not with that she did wrong or she did right, without discussing about thet results...
What you people think??????
What you people think??????
J
jitendersingh
Guest
Dear Dr. Dudee,
I am not advocating the guys to do the things. Neither I am in favour of such acts. Obviously they too must be stopped.
Problem is the in our society very few people behave rationally toward the girls and some of them even scummble to the pressure of the people around them. On the other hand boys go scott-free. It will go on unless the girls are educated and are promoted. But I don't see how the argument of advocating the act of Mallika arise out of it.
I am not advocating the guys to do the things. Neither I am in favour of such acts. Obviously they too must be stopped.
Problem is the in our society very few people behave rationally toward the girls and some of them even scummble to the pressure of the people around them. On the other hand boys go scott-free. It will go on unless the girls are educated and are promoted. But I don't see how the argument of advocating the act of Mallika arise out of it.
[/quote]
drnchaudhry
New member
Now, the point I want to press is that I have really seen girls struggling to get their due, only because such acts (as Mallika's) are still considered against their culture and parents fear that even their girls may bring disrepute to their families.
Dear Jitender Singh Jee,
Isn't your statement for parents discriminating girls? Do boys (so called kul deepak) never bring the same to the family? Why are they immune? We use this kind of statement for execuse. I will call it selective deafness/blindness.
I agree the society is not rational and it will not be atleast during the days of our lives. We can not change people's mentality. Not to promote such a discriminating behaviour when it come to us is with in our reach and exactly that I am doing here.
Thanks,
Dear Jitender Singh Jee,
Isn't your statement for parents discriminating girls? Do boys (so called kul deepak) never bring the same to the family? Why are they immune? We use this kind of statement for execuse. I will call it selective deafness/blindness.
I agree the society is not rational and it will not be atleast during the days of our lives. We can not change people's mentality. Not to promote such a discriminating behaviour when it come to us is with in our reach and exactly that I am doing here.
Thanks,
J
jitendersingh
Guest
Dear Dr. Dudee,
I wish it were my statement.
But sorry, it is a damn truth. It is as real as me and you.
Probably that is the only reason that this discussion is going on.
Again, had it been only my statement. It would have been so nice for society (as well as girls). But it is parents and not me who are discriminating amongst the boys and girls.
Hope you see the things of your vision in your this life......
I wish it were my statement.
But sorry, it is a damn truth. It is as real as me and you.
Probably that is the only reason that this discussion is going on.
Again, had it been only my statement. It would have been so nice for society (as well as girls). But it is parents and not me who are discriminating amongst the boys and girls.
Hope you see the things of your vision in your this life......
D
dayvraj
Guest
Trust me I am normal enough to lech at her and at the same time not feel proud of her .
I mean why should I feel proud of her or anybody else whom I dont even know , someone to whom I am not even a baby bit attached , someone whose presence or absence in the world makes not an iota of a difference to me .
Or should I feel proud / ashamed of her just because this stupid society which surrounds me has branded / labelled me and her as a Jat .Thats absolute bull , I never judge a person by his / her caste / religion / creeds et al.If I ever do that I 'll surely feel ashamed of myself and wud really hate my self instead of feeling proud or ashamed of Mallika ( Reema Lamba)
Well about this movie khwaaish - I just loved watching it .Not not because of Aunty Lamba's big bosom heaving at 10.9 on the ricter scale but because this flick was shooted in PUne and I was in Pune only that time and secondly was going around with a gal those days and the story ie the initial courting and wooing had a tremendouis similarity with yours unruly's amorous life .
There were scenes in this flick which on seeing she and me bot use to say - Aray same humhaare saath bhee aisaa hee huaa thaa . We use to just burst into a wild laughter on seeing that movie .HAve seen it umteen times and can always enjoy watching it as it makes me nostalgic and reminds me of that someone special in my life once who today due to a cruel blow of destiny is no more alive and that was the only reason I had to say my final goodbyes to PUne .Didnt wanted to be haunted by her memories anymore and wanted to start everything right from the scratch from some new place , some new work in total solitude.
*CHEERS*
sonalisingh
New member
Didn't feel a thing. Nothing! Zilch !
I mean why should we have ?
She wasn't pretty enough to make me jealous.
Her acting and everything else was so so. No real issues there.
I did get turned off by some of her interviews, where she was portraying herself as some sort of new spark for the new bolder, more confident woman. I almost puked at her school girl outlook.
She talked about sex and all. Seemed to me she hadn't even kissed in real life.
(Sorry, didn't read all the other responses. Soccha yun heen phenk doon main bhi apnee.
I mean why should we have ?
She wasn't pretty enough to make me jealous.
Her acting and everything else was so so. No real issues there.
I did get turned off by some of her interviews, where she was portraying herself as some sort of new spark for the new bolder, more confident woman. I almost puked at her school girl outlook.
She talked about sex and all. Seemed to me she hadn't even kissed in real life.
(Sorry, didn't read all the other responses. Soccha yun heen phenk doon main bhi apnee.
D
dayvraj
Guest
Sonali
You stalking me dudette :-(
Boo hoo hoo , sob sob sob
*MAkes a note to self - c'est la vie*
Regarding Aunty Lamba here is what mah bruv has to say 'bout her flicks and interviews bus kissi tarah yeh laRki agar acting karnee seekh lay both in real life and reel life toh toh koi vajah nahin hai kee yeh flop ho jaaye
You stalking me dudette :-(
Boo hoo hoo , sob sob sob
*MAkes a note to self - c'est la vie*
Regarding Aunty Lamba here is what mah bruv has to say 'bout her flicks and interviews bus kissi tarah yeh laRki agar acting karnee seekh lay both in real life and reel life toh toh koi vajah nahin hai kee yeh flop ho jaaye
D
dayvraj
Guest
Off the record your honour
*wonders with huge expectations how pretty Sonali must be*
;-)
*wonders with huge expectations how pretty Sonali must be*
;-)
dahiyaamit
New member
Hi,
Malika sehrawat should be proud or ashamed. Why you guys are bothered. You can watch Bipasha or neha dupia exposing but cannot tolerate malika. First of all there should not be double standards in life. Who are we to set standards in life. You guys are trying to chaudhry of the jat community, then do one thing feed all the starving jats, then stop dowry, help the mandeep who lost his father recently. Come and follow Chotu ram. Malika is bad right and you are not ashamed of your jat brothers who burn down their wives for dowry. You have the right to frame the rules in the society, when you have served your own society. First help then become chaudhry. Praveen dabas smooched in monsoon wedding, you are not ashamed because he is male. Donot be hypocrite. If you are not ashamed of praveen dabas then you should not be ashamed of malika sehrawat. Go to village and you will found jat bhai desi daru drink kar bahu ne pitay us me sharam kone. Today 9 out of 10 people are selfish. Our NRI jats, do they contribute funds for education of the poor jat brothers.
Malika sehrawat should be proud or ashamed. Why you guys are bothered. You can watch Bipasha or neha dupia exposing but cannot tolerate malika. First of all there should not be double standards in life. Who are we to set standards in life. You guys are trying to chaudhry of the jat community, then do one thing feed all the starving jats, then stop dowry, help the mandeep who lost his father recently. Come and follow Chotu ram. Malika is bad right and you are not ashamed of your jat brothers who burn down their wives for dowry. You have the right to frame the rules in the society, when you have served your own society. First help then become chaudhry. Praveen dabas smooched in monsoon wedding, you are not ashamed because he is male. Donot be hypocrite. If you are not ashamed of praveen dabas then you should not be ashamed of malika sehrawat. Go to village and you will found jat bhai desi daru drink kar bahu ne pitay us me sharam kone. Today 9 out of 10 people are selfish. Our NRI jats, do they contribute funds for education of the poor jat brothers.
Amit: I agree with you on this one that since this was done by a female thats why the entire community is going gaga over it but had it been a male nobody would have even uttered a word. I havent seen the movie yet so dont know if they really measure 10.9 on the Richter scale as bro Davy mentioned earlier. I dont know how he came up with this number though because richter scale has rating from 1-9. isse kehten hain daton tale ugli daba lena.....Anyways, its her life and she has right to chose as to how much she wants to expose. I think "IF YOU GOT IT, FLAUNT IT!"
Regarding this quote, you can get some information about the unselfish NRI Jats who have been contributing funds for education every year by visiting this site.
http://www.ajata.org
Regarding this quote, you can get some information about the unselfish NRI Jats who have been contributing funds for education every year by visiting this site.
http://www.ajata.org
D
dayvraj
Guest
hmm the 10.9 thingy is more accurate for the murder movie and is worth watching if not for the 10.9 thingy ( I watched it for that only ) then for the songs , some of them are really awesome , specially -
Dil ko hazaar baar roka roka roka ,
dil hai hawaaon kaa jhonka jhonka jhonka
dil ko samjhana , dokha mut khana
dokha hai pyraa , yaar pyaar hai dhokha
BHeege honth also is worth lending ears too .
And Aunty Lamba aka Mallika - 01.9 is just not enough - Yeh dil maage more .
Dil ko hazaar baar roka roka roka ,
dil hai hawaaon kaa jhonka jhonka jhonka
dil ko samjhana , dokha mut khana
dokha hai pyraa , yaar pyaar hai dhokha
BHeege honth also is worth lending ears too .
And Aunty Lamba aka Mallika - 01.9 is just not enough - Yeh dil maage more .
- Status