Markovish -- Behaviour

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vijay said:
Cognitive psychology is mostly based on perceptions and reasons behind that perceptions ........... so should we include the word perception to discuss further :)
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Oh noooooo... cognition is nt such a narrow term...its a wide area.... including thinking also..... which is at the root of all our images,,,communications,,decisions,,,judgements,,,reasoning,,,,,etc etc.
 
I think its not Markovish but its Markovich. Search wud be easier if u use the second one. Although, m not much successful till now.
As somewhere Anil told he created this term Markov + ish ... so may be no such term exists in the books and web(till now)
 
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neels said:
Agreed to the second part of the post... bt dictionary.com has no word like markovish.... its a technical term of science,, agree can be adapted to general usage in terms of behavior...bt yu cant say tht its defined as such..... depends on ones own thought process,,,how one takes it.
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I think this is a concept given by an Ukranian scientist. Further, Anil can explain it better as he must be having knowledge abt this as he started the discussion.
 
neels said:
Oh noooooo... cognition is nt such a narrow term...its a wide area.... including thinking also..... which is at the root of all our images,,,communications,,decisions,,,judgements,,,reasoning,,,,,etc etc.
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Obviously thinking is the root of all our actions.

And about Cognitive Psychology ..... you can describe it better than anyone else here :)
 
I guess i have already clarified through the course of the discussion that i derived this word from markov process ( which is there in probability theory and queuing theory ( for curious readers reference )).

I also explained that i just added this -ish to apply to the behaviour that we presently do.

I am not claiming it exists or is in some dictionary or already defined.

I know the concept in Maths and when i was thinking about human behaviour we have in general these days , it just struck me to use this term.


And i believe during he course of discussion we have contemplated on the same.

Again i emphasise , nothing is bigger than the discussion , I dont mind changing the term , The idea was to explore the human behaviour these days and i guess the discussion has been really on the brighter side.

Thank you to all the candidated in the discussion and we are surely moving on.
ope that clears it out ,:)
 
anilsinghd said:
I guess i have already clarified through the course of the discussion that i derived this word from markov process ( which is there in probability theory and queuing theory ( for curious readers reference )).

I also explained that i just added this -ish to apply to the behaviour that we presently do.

I am not claiming it exists or is in some dictionary or already defined.

I know the concept in Maths and when i was thinking about human behaviour we have in general these days , it just struck me to use this term.


And i believe during he course of discussion we have contemplated on the same.

Again i emphasise , nothing is bigger than the discussion , I dont mind changing the term , The idea was to explore the human behaviour these days and i guess the discussion has been really on the brighter side.

Thank you to all the candidated in the discussion and we are surely moving on.
ope that clears it out ,:)
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no Confusion abt ur using the term....I understand how n frm where yu used it.....
i just askd fr source to Vijay as he was mentioning the term so strongly that it is defined so n so.........as such its really some behavioral term.
 
neels said:
no Confusion abt ur using the term....I understand how n frm where yu used it.....
i just askd fr source to Vijay as he was mentioning the term so strongly that it is defined so n so.........as such its really some behavioral term.
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So should we move on ?

anyone volunteering to sum up ?
 
neels said:
i just askd fr source to Vijay as he was mentioning the term so strongly that it is defined so n so.........as such its really some behavioral term.
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Neel :)

I don't think that i ever said that term Markovish is already well defined ..... and i firmly believe that nobody can define a behaviour as a personality itself ....... we all people have some gud and bad traits and behave accordingly depending upon the situations only ......... the question is that how we behave when provided with a situation. Any given situation and the resulting behaviour perpose a theory of human behaviour (practically).

Regarding terms ........... we always talk about rational behaviour ...... Rational is also a mathematical term ............ we are used to define a personality or behaviour with some terms ....... like good, bad, true, false, acceptive, deceptive etc etc ..... these terms are subject specific only...... but we define/distinguish a personal behahiour using that terminology.

As human and behaviour themselves are two different terms ........

Am i wrong :) ?
 
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anilsinghd said:
Well , sorry to be mathematical on the subject line , but i am not as well versed in the langugae as a few are. So i could not find a better word for this.

But i will try my best to explain myself.

Markovish refers to a process in which we base all our decisions on the present only ( the assumption being that present contains all information of the past)( some examples being the stock prices :o , forgive me for being technical here ).

What i feel is that these days ( and i have no evidence to prove the existence or non-existence of the smae in the past ) , people have started behaving markovish.


An example : 1. You know a person for long , he does something out of normal , something bad , and we find nothing other than pounce on him , not even trying to understand on why he did that ? or not even tolerating one human error ( Although we are all familiar of the saying : To err is being human ).

Hope we can have a constructive discussion on this.

Thanks !
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Thank you Anil for this thread. I am myself surprised that such readings do effect people to such an extent. Although most of time I used to be careful about my reactions but than sometime we take thigns for granted and do not realise when they lose their grounds....May be that was the case....But after reading this thread now I give myself few minutes before reacting (May be not intentionaly but it got coded subconsciously...after the initial good results). And it really helped me to avoid so many unpleasant situations. True... sometimes in a hurry to react to present we ignore the reasons behind what we merely see and what could be the possible realties behind the scene we have in front of our eyes....Now many a times I have found myself ignoring many situations saying that it is out of her/his character...so possibly something else might be the reason..let me wait for the facts.....
 
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shashiverma said:
Thank you Anil for this thread. I am myself surprised that such readings do effect people to such an extent. Although most of time I used to be careful about my reactions but than sometime we take thigns for granted and do not realise when they lose their grounds....May be that was the case....But after reading this thread now I give myself few minutes before reacting (May be not intentionaly but it got coded subconsciously...after the initial good results). And it really helped me to avoid so many unpleasant situations. True... sometimes in a hurry to react to present we ignore the reasons behind what we merely see and what could be the possible realties behind the scene we have in front of our eyes....Now many a times I have found myself ignoring many situations saying that it is out of her/his character...so possibly something else might be the reason..let me wait for the facts.....
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Thanks Shashi ji for the input , i am happy to learn that the thread produced something constructive.


May be i can conclude that we all need to develop the quality of equanimity that is not allow our emotions to run extreme in either direction.

:)
 
anilsinghd said:
Well , sorry to be mathematical on the subject line , but i am not as well versed in the langugae as a few are. So i could not find a better word for this.

But i will try my best to explain myself.

Markovish refers to a process in which we base all our decisions on the present only ( the assumption being that present contains all information of the past)( some examples being the stock prices :o , forgive me for being technical here ).

What i feel is that these days ( and i have no evidence to prove the existence or non-existence of the smae in the past ) , people have started behaving markovish.

There is no sense of looking into the past , there is no sense of a certain calmness before taking a major decision , a decision that can have abig impact. Haste seems to be the most prevalent thing.
Be it replying to a post , be it in a relationship , be it a response to our parents , freinds , we seem to waste no time on giving ourselves enough time and facts and resources to base our decision on.


An example : 1. You know a person for long , he does something out of normal , something bad , and we find nothing other than pounce on him , not even trying to understand on why he did that ? or not even tolerating one human error ( Although we are all familiar of the saying : To err is being human ).

Hope we can have a constructive discussion on this.

Thanks !
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very very nicely expressed .. dear ... to err is human and to forgive and join again is eternal (LEAST PRACTICED) ... but then who belives in this theory is yet to be seen .... ppl seldom challange their own wisdom while as allways they preffer to challange other soul mates ... even the best fail when it comes to relations .... and for record WE ALL have physchology literate ppl who jumped the gun when it comes to their individual live's .... its to err if u r human and we all sail in the same boat .... wot saddns is that ppl who study and know all this behave in strANGE IN ERRING MANNER - and this makes me challange their whole education and capacity till date


can i take the liberty to route it all back to our anscetors -
woh keheya kartey akk bardaasht/seheney mei sabtey baddi shakti sei
 
Nature does not merely abhor vacuum; apparently it shuns the linear patterns too. Ancient Indians seem to have sensed these non linear patterns and tendency to cycles in time (this was the reason for the discovery of the concept of zero and the decimal by Indians), which is in stark contrast to the western intellectual tradition of duality and linearity. Few natural phenomena occur in straight lines or a grid of parallel lines but rather in whorls and eddies, circles or ellipses, spiral and networks.

Most of us are prisoners of the conditioned reflexes of our minds. We think as we have been brought up top think. Even when we think we are free thinkers we might choose what we think but not how we think. The later is circumscribed by training, by birth, by subtle brainwashing of society and economic and social class to which we belong. That is the reason why the Japanese have a saying that it takes 10 years to grow a tree but 100 years to grow a human being. The so called facts therefore seldom appear exactly the same to two different people, especially when these facts have to do with human relationships.

This brings us to the crucial connection between the man and the society he lives in or broadly the connexion between the part and the whole. For Goethe the whole was something dynamic and living that continually came into being "in concrete manifestations". In turn, a part was manifestation of the whole rather than just a component of it. Neither exists without the other. The whole exists through continually manifesting in parts and parts exist as embodiments of the whole. The Indian philosophy of advaita or non duality called it the lack of duality- in other words, a false belief that there is a finite and separate agent called self. Therefore as the great medieval thinker Jalauddin Rumi said "beyond the right doing and wrong doing there is a world, I shall meet you there. A world of pure consciousness.

We take the linear model of thinking of the western intellectual tradition which is again based on the cause and effect phenomena and apply the determinacy of science to human relationships forgetting the crucial difference that we are dealing with dynamic and ever changing entities and not inert matter; Roland Barthes the great structuralist thinker would term this as mono logical thinking in contrast to dialogical and translogical thinking. Monological thinking was the reason why Newton could not unravel the mystery of nature, which Einstein managed to do; it was also the reason why Napoleon lost the battle of waterloo. We now know that advances in non linear dynamics and computer simulations are making it possible to visualize the effects of climate and epidemics. This is called scenario building a suggested alternative to a more deterministic way such as forecasting. In management we also follow the scenario building model for project management.

This is the reason I have been saying is that we are blindly copying the western intellectual tradition of deduction, reduction, differentiation and alienation, while forgetting our ancient wisdom of induction, expansion, inclusion and integration a system of thought based on the non duality of matter or advaita.Today quantum physics to operations research in math's are all based on the concept of the non duality of matter and follow the non linear principles for their advanced studies. This however does not undermine the principles of linearity as we use them in studies of vectors.

We live with intellectual inconsistencies and different levels of truths even in the modern world. For instance we simultaneously believe in and utilize the classical mechanics of Newton and the relativity theory of Einstein. Both the theories are true at the same time, but not on the same level.

My only aim is to highlight our ancient Indian traditions (The little that I know of them ). I think India can contribute a lot to the world peace and harmony. The worst kind of arrogance is the arrogance of knowledge, we must learn from the mistakes of the west. India can teach the spiritually starved west for the next 5000 years. The time for India has arrived, let us gather our resources and move forward with confidence. Growth and development is life, stagnation is death. We have to move from Gyan (knowledge) to Vigyan (science) to Pragyan (supreme intelligence). Pragyan is the situation in which the consciousness and the unconscious are fully alert.
 
Feel free to add on , if someone still has some points. :)

Thanks!
 
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