Pak troops cross LoC, kill 2 Indian jawans brutally !!!!!!

AnkurMalik said:
My Dear Sir;

As both countries are nuclear armed, I do not think full fledged war is a solution. I also smell a rat that Pak is trying to shift the focus towards India. Right now Pak is struggling internally and focusing shift towards India may help them to take all the negative powers towards India. Gen Kayani who was ISI head is now Pak army chief and his term will be over after 6 months or so. Also General Elections are nearby; it would be a good time for Pak Army to streghten its grip over struggling govt. Hafij Saeed might be looking to take the advantage of this situation and liasing with Gen Kayani to violate ceasefire and provoke India to take some action so that focus shift towards India. You may say Ithat ndia is a soft country but currently its not the right time to engage in war as US is pulling out its troops from Afganistan and Taliban focus will be more in Pakistan. Pak may try to shift that focus towards India if India engage in a war.

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Brother, you have a point and I agree with the view but all bad elements including talibanies are creating problem otherwise also for us and will create more in future if serious action is not taken. I also do not advise a large scale battle but such incidents must be replied strongly, entry of people from pak side must be controlled and monitored, morale of troops be lifted by proper actions, offensive defence doesnot mean ful war, defence forces must be give free hand/liberty/permission to reply to such incidents than and there because later on it becomes very difficult tactically and stratigically, but if we consider the aims of top leaders and their capability in view, no positive/useful action will be taken at this end and God only knows what will happen to this country,
 
Fateh said:
Brother, you have a point and I agree with the view but all bad elements including talibanies are creating problem otherwise also for us and will create more in future if serious action is not taken.
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What type of serious action ? US is fighting against militants in Afghanistan for more than 10 years. USSR also fought for years in past. What is result ? Northern Pakistan and Afghanistan are same regions, regions of Pashtuns. In Pakistan, everyday people die from bomb blasts and violence. Pakistan betrayed US multiple times but same US is feeling it helpless, despite being a superpower. Pakistan is a powerful failed state. US is constantly killing terrorists by drone attack but still it is not able to control terrorists. These Talibani people give bombs in hand of their children and send them to die, dealing with such people is really tough. Only a brave and patient leadership can deal with this country. FATA and Baluchistan are already destabilized in Pak. Karachi is full of gang violence, more people died in Karachi than Northern Pakistan. I'd say Pakistan is largely a buffer between India and all these extremist people. Once Pakistan is gone, condition will be similar to that of 7th century. Indian media is spreading jingoism and nothing else. There is one nice documentary on Karachi by VICE, you should see that to get idea of Pakistani culture. India needs to strengthen alliance with elements within Pakistan and no other solution is there.
 
bhai...discussion on a topic...and discussion and discussion...can anybody tell me ki yahan thread chala ke kaun si help ya halaat sudharne ki koshish ho rahi hai ya kahan ka insaaf mil raha hai un jawano ko???????????
 
But it took them almost a week to find that, I guess the Guj govt was investigating it and in the mean time until they waited for them to come, inaugrate the show, wait for a day to let them settle in so that Modi gets the PR he deserves by India Inc and then break the news to take political mileage by humiliating the guests.



swaich said:
Yes, the trade delegation definitely had a hand in the incident at LoC.
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bsbana said:
What type of serious action ? US is fighting against militants in Afghanistan for more than 10 years. USSR also fought for years in past. What is result ? Northern Pakistan and Afghanistan are same regions, regions of Pashtuns. In Pakistan, everyday people die from bomb blasts and violence. Pakistan betrayed US multiple times but same US is feeling it helpless, despite being a superpower. Pakistan is a powerful failed state. US is constantly killing terrorists by drone attack but still it is not able to control terrorists. These Talibani people give bombs in hand of their children and send them to die, dealing with such people is really tough. Only a brave and patient leadership can deal with this country. FATA and Baluchistan are already destabilized in Pak. Karachi is full of gang violence, more people died in Karachi than Northern Pakistan. I'd say Pakistan is largely a buffer between India and all these extremist people. Once Pakistan is gone, condition will be similar to that of 7th century. Indian media is spreading jingoism and nothing else. There is one nice documentary on Karachi by VICE, you should see that to get idea of Pakistani culture. India needs to strengthen alliance with elements within Pakistan and no other solution is there.
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Dear, you mean to say that we should keep on getting our people killed, and action suggested by you is correct but such operations take very long time, we cannot wait till the positive result is seen and dear if you have some knowledge about such operations than you must be knowing that such operation as suggested by you, are neither faught alone nor can achieve success alone, it has to be part of bigger planning and action. is it must that if US and USSR failed than we will also fail, we cannot compare them with us, they were fighting in different coutries and at long distance, they may have more resources but not troops like India, also their aims were different but we to fight for sevival, our safty and respect. what you have suggested is a small part of serious action at the same time we have to defend our country and people. Any action civil/military which save us is part of serious action suggested by me.
 
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जो तौर है दुनिया का उसी तौर से बोलो,

बहरों का इलाका है जरा जोर से बोलो,

दिल्ली में हमीं बोला करें अमन की बोली ,

यारों तुम लोग भी कभी लाहौर से बोलो !!

'राहत इंदौरी '
 
satyenderdeswal said:
bhai...discussion on a topic...and discussion and discussion...can anybody tell me ki yahan thread chala ke kaun si help ya halaat sudharne ki koshish ho rahi hai ya kahan ka insaaf mil raha hai un jawano ko???????????
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Brother, I appreciate your concern, but by such discussions, finding facts, knowing the truth/requirement and some solution do come up and atlist helps in forming public openion which directly or indirectly helps every body.
 
काश्मीर की वर्तमान परिस्थितियों पर आप ने संभवतः भारत के उपराष्ट्रपति के बोल-बचन नहीं सुने होंगे, लीजिये आ गया है उनका भी बयान और हाँ अभी आप सभी मनमोहन सिंह से किसी बयान की आशा ना करें वो अभी साईलेंट मोड में है। तब तक उपराष्ट्रपति के बयान से काम चलायें।

'' पड़ोसियों को भुलाया नहीं जा सकता। वे जीवन का हिस्सा हैं। उनसे कभी-कभी आत्मसम्मान के साथ खरी-खरी बात कहनी पड़ती है, परन्तु बातचीत जारी रखना भी अत्यंत आवश्यक है।" हामिद अंसारी, उपराष्ट्रपति.

ओह त्रुटि हो गयी ऊपर कुछ लिखने में छूट गया था। कृपया बयान पढते समय उप राष्ट्रपति के नाम के पहले "महामहिम" शब्द लगाना मत भूलिएगा !!!! प्लीज ..................!!!
 
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This is uttermost disrespect. Even sworn enemies do show respect & to send a dead body of a soldier of a country without head is the sign of a sick mentality. Either they want to spread fear in the heart of soldiers or they want to send a message "Karlo Kya kar sakte ho"? Unless & untill we learn to reciprocate & reply in the same language which is understood by these people, we would never find peace with them. Faltu fund ki shanti varta karte karte do hazar saal tak hum ghulam rahen hai. S. Swaraj rightly send Get their Ten in place of Two. And, if their Army is not in the Pak Govt's Control, It is not our Fault.
 
[h=5][/h][h=5]श्रीमान प्रधानमंत्री महोदय !!![/h][h=5] क्या आज से पहले पाकिस्तान ने दोषियो पर कार्यवाही की है ?? बिल्कुल नही, तो इस बार क्यों करेगा ?? संभवतः पाकिस्तान को शेर की दहाड़ और मेमने के मिमियाने का अच्छे से पता है इसीलिये वो कार्यवाही नही करता![/h][h=5]
यदि मैं गलत हूँ तो बताइये क्या उसने 26/11 के लिये जिम्मेदार लोगों को दंड दिया? क्या कैप्टन सौरभ कालिया और उनके साथियो की निर्मम हत्या करने वाले दोषियो को दंड दिया? श्रीमान जी, दंड देना तो दूर उसका विदेश मंत्री हमारे देश मे बोल कर चला गया कि मौसम के कारण ऐसा हुआ होगा, उसने बोल दिया था आप लोग सुन कर चुप बैठ गये थे / चुप नही बैठते तो संभवतः आज अपनी सेना के दोनों युवा सैनिक जीवित होते !! काश ,आपने अपने सैनिकों के जीवन को अनमोल समझा होता।
[/h][h=5] अफसोस .........अफसोस .....अफसोस....अफसोस ................!!![/h]
 
[h=5]दूसरों को देशभक्ति सिखाने और देश को नई दिशा और दशा देने की बात करने बाले एक राजनैतिक दल के समर्थकों की हकीकत .......!!!

आज एक नेता जी अपनी पार्टी के कार्य के सिलसिले में भोपाल की यात्रा पर थे बहां पर उन्होंने अपनी पार्टी के कार्यकर्ताओं से मुलाक़ात की इसके बाद मीडिया ने उनसे कश्मीर में पाकिस्तानियों द्वारा धोखे से मारे गए दो भारतीय सैनिको के पाकिस्तानियों द्वारा सर काटे जाने की घटना के बाद ''उत्पन्न तनाव ''के विषय पर नेता जी से उनकी राय पूछी ..जिस पर नेता जी ने कहा कि.................................'' उनका मानना है, पड़ोसी देश अगर टेंशन में जिएं तो किसी का भला नहीं हो सकता है.उन्होंने आगे कहा कि आर्मी की समस्याओं की जानकारी भी उनके पास आ रही है. उन्होंने कहा कि पाकिस्तान ने गलत किया है लेकिन समाधान के लिए दोनों सरकारों को सामने आना पड़ेगा.''............!!!

विषय यही पर समाप्त करते हुए उस मुद्दे पर चलते है कि जिस http://aajtak.intoday.in/ के मीडिया लिंक पर ये समाचार उपलब्ध है उसको आज इतनी जादा संख्या में स्पैम किया गया है कि अगर कोई उस लिंक को खोलना या किसी की पोस्ट पर कमेन्ट के रूप में पोस्ट करना चाहे तो उसके लिये फेसबुक बार बार सिक्योरिटी कोड माँग रहा है .....अब मुद्दा ये कि दूसरों के बयानों तथा मुद्दों पर हमलावर होने बाले देशभक्त अपने नेता के पाकिस्तान के संबंध में दिए गए बयान को आम जनता से क्यों छिपाना चाहते है .... !!![/h]
 
A little above the line of politics, a brilliant article. I had also mentioned in one of my previous posts how Vajapyee hurried up the Pokhran tests to gain publicity.

How Pokhran compromised our security

On 24 July 1965, Gen. Ayub Khan and his ambitious foreign minister Z.A. Bhutto pushed their soldiers over the Line of Control into Kashmir to create trouble. India found out and on 6 September, Lal Bahadur Shastri sent the Army’s I Corps, XI Corps and XV Corps across the international border towards Lahore, ending the war.
On 3 December 1971, Gen. Yahya Khan scrambled his F-86 Sabre, F-6, Mirage III and F-104 fighter-bombers and attacked north India.
In response Indira Gandhi ordered Indian Army’s II Corps, IV Corps and XXXIII Corps into East Pakistan. They captured 90,000 Pakistanis and ended the war.
In April 1999, Gen. Pervez Musharraf sent his mountain division, the Northern Light Infantry, to occupy Indian bunkers in Dras and Kargil. But Atal Bihari Vajpayee could not counter-attack. Instead he asked the Army to retake the peaks one by one, and at great cost. The Jammu and Kashmir Light Infantry, 17 Garhwal Rifles, I Bihar, 1/11 Gorkha Rifles and 70 Infantry Brigade are some of the units named by then army chief V.P. Malik in his book as heroes.
Earlier this month, Indian shelling killed a Pakistani soldier. A team of Pakistani raiders then killed two Indian soldiers, beheading one. But Prime Minister Manmohan Singh could not counter-attack, though a couple of days later Indian artillery killed another Pakistani, settling the score.
What has happened that India cannot punish Pakistan any longer for its insolence as it could?
Something has neutralized India’s Army, and its superiority in numbers and equipment over Pakistan. This something is the weaponization of South Asia’s nuclear programmes.
Before Vajpayee’s 1998 gambit in Pokhran, both India and Pakistan had nuclear capacity, but not weapons.

Before Pokhran, Pakistan hadn’t weaponized its programme for fear of more international sanctions.

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yahan dialogues se kuch naa hone wala...kada kadam uthane ka samay aagya hai....Pakistan ko hamari pyar bhare shaanti vaarta se koi fark nahi padta...wahan ki videsh mantri hum par hee ilzaam laga rahi hai ki hindustan jang chahta hai...
 
A nation that does not respect its soldiers is bound to doom.

We sleep comfortably in our warm blankets and quilts because they keep awake 24*7*365 at -40 degrees Celsius.

It has been stated in the Pak media that the Pakistan Army regulars who did this heinous act, took the so-called trophy and celebrated while their top brass congratulated the lower ranks for this achievement.

And here instead of taking stern and instant action, our country was begging for Brigadier level talks at the border, which was ultimately GRANTED by the Pakis and we felt obliged. Above all that, our FM saying that no matter what, peace talks would continue uninterrupted. If a family member of the Hon'ble FM had been beheaded by the Pakis, would he still have talked of peace and peace talks?? Real shame!

No matter how many soldiers give their lives for the nation, these rascals in cars with red beacons would talk peace adnauseum because it is not they, but somebody else' father, son, brother, husband who is paying the price with his life.

Long live the 'Aman ki Asha', Delhi- Lahore bus, Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus yatras. In fact, the Pakis are our BROTHERS who have bleeded us and would keep bleeding us because we have a spineless leadership (if at all it can be called leadership)!
 
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AbhikRana said:
A nation that does not respect its soldiers is bound to doom.

We sleep comfortably in our warm blankets and quilts because they keep awake 24*7*365 at -40 degrees Celsius.

It has been stated in the Pak media that the Pakistan Army regulars who did this heinous act, took the so-called trophy and celebrated while their top brass congratulated the lower ranks for this achievement.

And here instead of taking stern and instant action, our country was begging for Brigadier level talks at the border, which was ultimately GRANTED by the Pakis and we felt obliged. Above all that, our FM saying that no matter what, peace talks would continue uninterrupted. If a family member of the Hon'ble FM had been beheaded by the Pakis, would he still have talked of peace and peace talks?? Real shame!

No matter how many soldiers give their lives for the nation, these rascals in cars with red beacons would talk peace adnauseum because it is not they, but somebody else' father, son, brother, husband who is paying the price with his life.

Long live the 'Aman ki Asha', Delhi- Lahore bus, Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus yatras. In fact, the Pakis are our BROTHERS who have bleeded us and would keep bleeding us because we have a spineless leadership (if at all it can be called leadership)!
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Good points. What's a better way though? War?
 
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