Political fate of Jat Leaders

Raka ji..yo apas ka muqabla aur uske chatkare hi humne ek na hon deve

bhai hamne to badi kosis karli n karan lag rae sain ek karana ki tu aur karke dekh le. dont go by the words try to understand the intent, what point prashant tried to make he himself got involved into that.
 
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RinkuThis is what I meant by saying that we jats find it difficult to come on to a common platform when we are still stuck up in" mhara neta ki mucch/puuch badi thi" syndrome, why can,t we accept that both Sir Chotu Ram and Choudhary saab were stalwarts of their respective eras and look towards the future.

Mr. Jagdeep this is the problem you just saw Ch charan Singh ( from UP) vs Ch Chhoturam( from harayana) and me saying about jat leaders.
 
Mr. rinku sheoran, you are again opening pandora box. It will be wise if you plz don't comment on Chaudhary charan singh and "topi of UP jaats". For your kind info, chaudhary charan singh versus chaudhary chotu ram ji has been discussed here many times. Chaudhary charan singh was undoubtedly the greatest farmer leader India has ever produced. Chaudhary chotu ram was a Jat Kisan leader and chaudhary charn singh was accepted by entire Kisan community. Do you remember "AZGAR"? ( He is ranked above Chaudary chotu ram, Though I respect both of them but you guys don't leave even a single chance to humiliate chaudhary sahab )

aaj tak to india democracy tha sabko apni baat kahne ka haq tha ebb badal ga key??? For your kind info i dont support any political leader be it from UP or Haryana or anywhere i just follow who works for JATs. Maine to bhai ghane ka naam liya tere Chaudhary Charan singh ka voter hoga tu isiliye unhi ka chubha tanne dusro( topi k liye to bansilal ka bhi naam liya tha) ka itna pta na hoga.

Both good n bad go hand in hand.
n Could you please explain who do mean when you said " you guys"
 
aaj tak to india democracy tha sabko apni baat kahne ka haq tha ebb badal ga key??? For your kind info i dont support any political leader be it from UP or Haryana or anywhere i just follow who works for JATs. Maine to bhai ghane ka naam liya tere Chaudhary Charan singh ka voter hoga tu isiliye unhi ka chubha tanne dusro( topi k liye to bansilal ka bhi naam liya tha) ka itna pta na hoga.

Both good n bad go hand in hand.
n Could you please explain who do mean when you said " you guys"
stretch your mind and you will remember who said about "pagri and topi" before..you perfectly know what do I mean by "you guys" ..it should have been "three guys" and plz transcend the barrier of hatred against chaudhary charn singh that you have gradually nurtured deep down in your heart. You can never beliitle the contribution of chaudhary charan singh and can not line up chaudhary charn singh with bansilal, devilal, bhajan lal.............
 
saluram ji.......... koi ek achha kaam batayen jo hemaram ji ne kiya ho........is election k turant baad jab sona ram ji ne JAT cm. ki baat kahi to sabse pahale hemaram ji ne hi virodh kiya tha...........



पियूष जी हेमाराम जी ने ग्रामीण इलाकों में बहोत काम किया हैं खासकर शिक्षा के क्षेत्र में!
सोनाराम जी का विरोध करना एक उनकी अपनी सोच होगी लेकिन यह भी कोई गलत नहीं था उस वक़्त के हिसाब से.............
 
जाट तो सारे ही लीडर हैं या अपने आप को लीडर समझते हैं I शायद हमारी सबसे बड़ी समस्या ये ही है I हर एक टोपिक को एक दंगल मैं बदलना तो हमारी खासियत है I लीडर बनना कितना मुश्किल है और वो भी एक जाट के लिए यह कोई नहीं सोचता I सबसे पहले तो खुद के घर आले टांग खीच लें गे, और अगर कोई नया लीडर अच्चा और सच्चा है तो उसे दूसरी कौम वाले नहीं चलने देते I मेरे हिसाब से अगर कोई भी जाट एक सरपंच, ब्लाक प्रमुख या विधायक भी बन जाता है तो यह बहुत बड़ी बात है , चाहे कोई माने या ना माने I और जो जाट मुख्य मंत्री, केंद्रीय मंत्री और प्रधान मंत्री तक बन गए हैं, उनमें जरुर कुछ ऐसे गुण होंगे जिनके कारण वो उस मुकाम तक पहुंचे I चोधरी छाजू राम, चरण सिंह, देवी लाल, बंसी लाल, टिका राम, प्रोफेस्सर शेर सिंह, चौटाला, भूपिंदर हूडा आदि आदि को आप लीडर कह सकतें हैं I माफ़ कीजिये मैंने सिर्फ हरयाणा के लीडर्स के नाम लिखे हैं I

अब बात आती है कि इन्होने जाट समाज के लिए क्या किया? मैंने अक्सर ये देखा है की वोट मांगते समय तो बड़ी बड़ी बातें की जाती हैं की हम जाट के लिए ये कर देंगे वो कर दूंगा, लेकिन एक बार कुर्सी पाने के बाद कुछ लीडर ये कह कर जाटों का काम टाल देते हैं कि उनकी नज़रों मैं सब कौम बराबर हैं I बेचारे भोले जाट चार पाच साल में फ़ेर जाट के नाम पर वोट दे देते हैं I मैं एक लोकतंत्र की मज़बूरी समझ सकता हूँ लेकिन असली लीडर वो होता है जो नाटक तो करे सबका भला करने का और असल मैं फालतू भला करे अपनी कौम का I अगर अपनी कौम की तरक्की को मापदंड बनाया जाए तो बंसी लाल का कोई मुकाबला नहीं कर सकता I

पिछले २०० सालों में सबसे प्रभावशाली जाट लीडर कोन था इस बात का फैसला इतिहास आज से २०० साल के बाद करेगा I हमारी कौम का भविष्य इस बात पर निर्भर करेगा की कैसे हमारी आने वाली पीढ़ी हर मुसीबत से जूझते हुए, अपनी संस्कृति और संस्कारों का सहारा लेते हुए, अपने बुजुर्गों का विश्वास और दुआएँ प्राप्त करते हुए और दुश्मनों से जूझते हुए कैसे हर मुश्किल को आसान बनाएगी I ये है चुनौती, बाकि सब बकवास I Education से जरुरी कुछ नहीं I फिर आता है आपसी भाईचारा I औरतों की इज्ज़त करो और लड़कियों को बराबरी का दर्ज़ा दो I अपने मां बाप की इज्ज़त करो I जाटलैंड पर तो हम कुछ भी लिख देते हैं, लेकिन असली जिन्दगी मैं हम सब अपनी कौम के लिए क्या कर रहे हैं वो ज्यादा जरुरी है.

 
जाट तो सारे ही लीडर हैं या अपने आप को लीडर समझते हैं I शायद हमारी सबसे बड़ी समस्या ये ही है I हर एक टोपिक को एक दंगल मैं बदलना तो हमारी खासियत है I लीडर बनना कितना मुश्किल है और वो भी एक जाट के लिए यह कोई नहीं सोचता I सबसे पहले तो खुद के घर आले टांग खीच लें गे, और अगर कोई नया लीडर अच्चा और सच्चा है तो उसे दूसरी कौम वाले नहीं चलने देते I मेरे हिसाब से अगर कोई भी जाट एक सरपंच, ब्लाक प्रमुख या विधायक भी बन जाता है तो यह बहुत बड़ी बात है , चाहे कोई माने या ना माने I और जो जाट मुख्य मंत्री, केंद्रीय मंत्री और प्रधान मंत्री तक बन गए हैं, उनमें जरुर कुछ ऐसे गुण होंगे जिनके कारण वो उस मुकाम तक पहुंचे I चोधरी छाजू राम, चरण सिंह, देवी लाल, बंसी लाल, टिका राम, प्रोफेस्सर शेर सिंह, चौटाला, भूपिंदर हूडा आदि आदि को आप लीडर कह सकतें हैं I माफ़ कीजिये मैंने सिर्फ हरयाणा के लीडर्स के नाम लिखे हैं I अपने मां बाप की इज्ज़त करो I जाटलैंड पर तो हम कुछ भी लिख देते हैं, लेकिन असली जिन्दगी मैं हम सब अपनी कौम के लिए क्या कर रहे हैं वो ज्यादा जरुरी है.
Sir,
you have said the real truth in your post.
 
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stretch your mind and you will remember who said about "pagri and topi" before..you perfectly know what do I mean by "you guys" ..it should have been "three guys" and plz transcend the barrier of hatred against chaudhary charn singh that you have gradually nurtured deep down in your heart. You can never beliitle the contribution of chaudhary charan singh and can not line up chaudhary charn singh with bansilal, devilal, bhajan lal.............

Prashant, i thinnk you have this prejudiced thinking about me or may us that we try to belittle Chaudhary charan but nothing like that i personally do have a lot of respect for Chaudhary Charan Singh ji n uksa mujhe aapki tarah yahan dhindhora pitane ki jarurat nahi hai kyunki jahan jisse umid jyada hoti hai to uski burai bhi ki jati hai n that is why jab hum achai dekhate hain to burai bhi sath aa jati hai.
isme koi shaq nahi hai ki vo 36 biradari k neta the n yahi prove karne k liye unhone apne bache bhi dusri jatiyon mein byahe ye apni baat mein bahut bada parmaan tha n jab vo PM bane to media hamesha unke piche pada rehta tha lekin isse hatasha hokar kha tha ki kash main brahman hota unhone hmaehsa kosis ki vo 36 jat k neta kahlaye lekin bhai media aur baki jatiyon ne unhe mana nahi we know this as well n main sahi mein chahta hun ki unka putarchaudhary Ajit singh bulandiyon ko chuye n ek din unhi tarah PM nahi to CM jarur bane,lekin when i think we had a leader like them then why dont we have any JAt dharamsala in UP, only charan singh bhawan are there, why is it like that?? to kya main kahun Bhai UP mein jaton mein 2 jatiyan hai bura mat manna n main iss topic ko off topic nahi le jana chahta , ek hain jat jo ki around 10% hain aur dusri hain Ajit jati aur ye muradnagar par jab jaton ne pani band kiya tha tab dekh liya gya tha. n rahi baat chaudhary singh ko keeping in line with devilal,bansilal,bhajanlal to bhai sabka ek apna style tha n unke supporter se puchogey to aapko aisa hi kuch unse milega sunne ko. baki kabhi apne neta jisse bhi aap follow karo to uske baar ek baar third person k point of view se jarur dekhna chahiye.
please excuse me if hurted your sentiment or anyone else.
 
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Prashant, i thinnk you have this prejudiced thinking about me or may us that we try to belittle Chaudhary charan but nothing like that i personally do have a lot of respect for Chaudhary Charan Singh ji n uksa mujhe aapki tarah yahan dhindhora pitane ki jarurat nahi hai kyunki jahan jisse umid jyada hoti hai to uski burai bhi ki jati hai n that is why jab hum achai dekhate hain to burai bhi sath aa jati hai.
isme koi shaq nahi hai ki vo 36 biradari k neta the n yahi prove karne k liye unhone apne bache bhi dusri jatiyon mein byahe ye apni baat mein bahut bada parmaan tha

He was absolutely right . No one can run the business of politics in such a diverse country being a caste fanatic. He tried to bridge the gap with other communities and more or less he got success in that ( at least he got support from four leading farming caste of north India ahir, jat , gujjar and rajput). Any other Jat leader could not win so many accolades from other communities. If any plz give name? Do you have nay idea why only nehru dynasty is ruling this country after independence. ?Are they shouting on their lungs "baahman baahman" all the time?

n jab vo PM bane to media hames
ha unke piche pada rehta tha lekin isse hatasha hokar kha tha ki kash main brahman hota

Honestly, I have no idea..who told you about this?

unhone hmaehsa kosis ki vo 36 jat k neta kahlaye lekin bhai media aur baki jatiyon ne unhe mana nahi we know this as well n main sahi mein chahta hun ki unka putarchaudhary Ajit singh bulandiyon ko chuye n ek din unhi tarah PM nahi to CM jarur bane,lekin when i think we had a leader like them then why dont we have any JAt dharamsala in UP, only charan singh bhawan are there, why is it like that??

had he himself erected these bhawan? and yes chaudhary sahab had even changed the name of colleges ( Jat colleges were changed to janta vedic and Jat heroes memorial colleges were changed to veer smarak) are you bashing him because he did not favor Jatism? sachaa leader wo hota hai jo jati biradri se upper uthkar sochta hai.......

to kya main kahun Bhai UP mein jaton mein 2 jatiyan hai bura mat manna n main iss topic ko off topic nahi le jana chahta , ek hain jat jo ki around 10% hain aur dusri hain Ajit jati aur ye muradnagar par jab jaton ne pani band kiya tha tab dekh liya gya tha.

Hahhaha........wo jo paani rokaan gaye the wo jaat koni the..wo "bhaade ke manas" the....poori saag arr 1 beedi ke pudde ke liya kathhe kar raakhye the.....arr ek aur sun le UP main ya reservation aali politics tai ras kona likde.......arr jo yeh reservation aale rolla kar re hai na..inki 5 pushto ka bayra hai majhe......chugarde tai Jutt lage inke jib baithe yeh nichalwaaye..............inki itni buri durgati hogi ek saans bhi kona kaahde yeh..thaam thode se din aur

n rahi baat chaudhary singh ko keeping in line with devilal,bansilal,bhajanlal to bhai sabka ek apna style tha n unke supporter se puchogey to aapko aisa hi kuch unse milega sunne ko. baki kabhi apne neta jisse bhi aap follow karo to uske baar ek baar third person k point of view se jarur dekhna chahiye.
please excuse me if hurted your sentiment or anyone else.
Bhai mere yeh third view tu bhi le ke dekh liya kar kadhe
Rink sheoran ji..plz see above and accept my apology in advance if you feel hurted.....
 
PS:- Leaders mentioned here are Jats, may not be taken as Jat Leaders which comprehensively indicates Pro-Jat leaders.
Prashant bhai carry on ...main bura nahi manta so no need to give apologies.

This how this thread was started and i think he was a leader not a jat leader. I didnt want to drag this topic off topic but i think you need to know some things about him which you dont know. you yourself opened the Pandora box.


"He was absolutely right . No one can run the business of politics in such a diverse country being a caste fanatic. He tried to bridge the gap with other communities and more or less he got success in that ( at least he got support from four leading farming caste of north India ahir, jat , gujjar and rajput). Any other Jat leader could not win so many accolades from other communities. If any plz give name? Do you have nay idea why only nehru dynasty is ruling this country after independence. ?Are they shouting on their lungs "baahman baahman" all the time?"

Tumne sahi kaha bhai, rajniti ko business hi banaya nhone jiska fayda aajtak unki pidhia kha rhai hai...well said t0tally in sync with this, n lets talk about chuadhary charan singh , nehru gandhi baad mein kabhi.

I didn't want to take it where you are asking me to take but still,vo jat jati mein paida huye the isiliye jikar kar lete hain varna unhone jaton k liye kuch kiya to jarur batana? dont just gibber but give me the fact or figures if you have any?? yahan tak agar unke barein mein padhane lagey insaan to bhi kuch jyada nahi milta.

Aap ye btao Ch Charan singh k hone se kya fayda hua wahan ki jat biradari aur for that matter kisan community( jisme 70% jat hi hian) ko jo 40 saal pahle bhi gana boti thi aur aaj bhi gane pe dependent hai jiska na vo sahi rate dila paye aur na ajit singh, sirf uspe rajniti karte hain ??
unki condition mein kya sudhar kiya? Vo nahi hote to kya nuksan hota? kyunki hone se to koi fayda hua nahi?
unhone kitne kisan hitaishi kanun banwaye( ye mat kehna ki sarkar ka bahumat nahi bana)?
Why there is not enough industry/college/road infrastructure/power in bagpat from where we had CM/Agriculture/home/food/finance/home n above all PM representing that area? why it is still among the poorest district in india?
Devilal was able to carve out a separate state from punjab jisme pure mein jat the fir unhone haritpradesh kyun nahi banwa liya, jisse wahan k jaat ki halat shayd behtar ho jati?


"Honestly, I have no idea..who told you about this?"

My dear this is not something i making this, this statement he gave in press conference in 1980.

shayad tujhe ye pta bhi na ho :-

During Janta party rule why he appointed the Ramnaresh yadav as the CM instead of some other Jat in 77? Mandal commision was constitued during his tenure as home minster then why he didnt ask kept anyone from JAt community for there wellfare in that commision? In Up obc commison was set up in 75 and implemted by ramnaresh yadav( who had his support) in 77 why Jats were not included in that when his Ahir, gujjar,from ajgar were in that?


"Had he himself erected these bhawan? and yes chaudhary sahab had even changed the name of colleges ( Jat colleges were changed to janta vedic and Jat heroes memorial colleges were changed to veer smarak) are you bashing him because he did not favor Jatism? sachaa leader wo hota hai jo jati biradri se upper uthkar sochta hai......."

That was not the answer to what i asked why dont we have any Jat bhawan, having Charan singh bhawan is good thing for his follower( jo ussi ki party ne banwaye ho shayad..:)) just like Devilal bhawan in almost every district of haryana but why there is not Jat dharamsahala or jat bhawan when there are dharamsala of other caste (ab ye mat bolna ki dusri jatiyon ki nahi hai)???

"Hahhaha........wo jo paani rokaan gaye the wo jaat koni the..wo "bhaade ke manas" the....poori saag arr 1 beedi ke pudde ke liya kathhe kar raakhye the.....arr ek aur sun le UP main ya reservation aali politics tai ras kona likde.......arr jo yeh reservation aale rolla kar re hai na..inki 5 pushto ka bayra hai majhe......chugarde tai Jutt lage inke jib baithe yeh nichalwaaye..............inki itni buri durgati hogi ek saans bhi kona kaahde yeh..thaam thode se din aur"


K baat tu ya tere koi jaankar saag puri aur bidi ka pura leke aaya tha??? Maine ajit jati aale lagey yo kaam karte baki jo jat to udde hi the subah tak.
Baki to tu ab ye bhi keh dena ki ramlila maidan mein 8th feb ko ( more than 1 lac..i was there myself) bhi log saag puri khatir aaye the n aur fir jantar mantar bhi.
Maine kone bera tha ki bhai tu bhi bhavisaywani karta hai...tu to khudha hoga jo bta di aagey ki unki.
Rahi baat teri politics on reservation then let me tell you where you are pointing they will never fight any election n in past also they have not supported anyone n in future also they will not support anyone. Rahi baat janne ki to main tu sirf unki janta hai aur main dono ki 5 puston ko janta hun.


Bhai mere yeh third view tu bhi le ke dekh liya kar kadhe....
meri to aadat hi kai view lene ki hai lekin tumhara kya karein jo ek baat ki ratt laye baithe hain. baki sahi kha suturmurg aankh kar leta hai aur samjahta hai mujhe dikh nahi rhaa to bhai UP mein ajit jati ka yahi hal hai. Baki bahut batein aisi hai jo unki tarif mein yahan nahi likh sakta varna to aur bhi bahut kuch hai unki tarif k liye,kabhi mile to jarur batana chahunga.

No apologies if anyone gets hurt.
 
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There is no head or tail what you are saying. You are pretending to be "ignorant" and the irony is that you have disregarded all the efforts and achievement of chaudhary sahab from a line!! You even don't deserve that I should indulge in any discussion with you. Just For your comfort, start your home work from here......arr reference bhi aankh khol ke dekh liye......

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?865-WHAT-WERE-CHARAN-SINGH%27S-CONTRIBUTIONS-AS-A-JAT-or-AS-A-LEADER-FOR-COMMON-PEOPLE&highlight=chaudhary+charan+singh

Chaudhary Charan Singh was a consummate politician, first-rate intellectual, son-of-the-soil, and simply one of the most influential politicians India has produced in the twentieth century.

Given below are some of the principal achievements of his political career, a tour de force in truly inhospitable circumstances, in a rough chronological order. His socio-cultural impact, which is not discussed here, was in all likelihood even more profound and far reaching. These are mostly taken from Byres (1988):

1939: Debt Redemption Bill
Charan Singh introduced the bill to provide relief to heavily indebted farmers in teeth of tremendous opposition from members of his own, Congress party.

His struggle to limit the power of landlords spans the period before Independence and up to the 1960s. As early as 1939, he attempted to introduce a bill in the UP legislative council which aimed at 50% reservation in jobs for those of rural origin. In the same year, he also drafted a resolution that sought to transfer proprietorship of agricultural land to people who actually tilled it (“Land to the tiller”, as opposed to absentee landlords). The draft was approved in the AICC meeting in Calcutta in 1945.

His interventions on behalf of, and vigorous advocacy of the peasantry were not just limited to initiating legislative measures. He also wrote numerous articles in the national dailies (e.g. HT), presenting convincingly the case for the liberation of the oppressed peasantry from a web of exploitative relations. This helped, in general, to mobilize public opinion, and gave voice to a section of population historically absent from debates concerning its own fate.

Zamindara Abolition Act (1952…)

Post-independence, Charan Singh’s long standing resolve to destroy the parasitic class of Zamindars culminated in the passing of “Zamindara abolition act”, perhaps the single most important step to lead to the rise of a robust, assertive and politically influential peasantry. The enactment of the law abolishing Zamindari, it turned out was only the first half of the “mortal struggle against landlordism”, the implementation had to be carried out in face of fierce resistance from large landlords—the traditional constituency of the Congress.

The Consolidation of Holdings Act of 1953

Charan Singh had observed, as early as 1925, the debilitating impact of fragmentation of land holdings on agricultural productivity. Again, consolidation was effected in face of resistance from well-entrenched interests. Both the abolition of Zamindara and Consolidation were greatly facilitated by the dismissal of the notorious ‘patwaris’ who acted brazenly in favor of landlords, often by falsifying records of possession and cultivation.

Opposition to taxation of agricultural land

Beginning in the 1960s, the arena for peasant’s struggles shifted to urban areas. The battle lines were now drawn between the urban and rural interests, rather than between sections of rural interests. One of the first issue to emerge in this regard was that of increase in taxation of agriculture. In 1962, Charan Singh opposed, while being a Congress minister, his party’s attempts to increase land tax by 50%.

His opposition to increase in taxation, in characteristic fashion, was framed as “a combination of intellectual arguments, pleading and political warning” (Byres 1988:157) in a memorandum conveyed to the then UP CM CB Gupta.

Resistance to Compulsory Food Procurement

The consecutive years of drought in 1966-1967 led the Central government to consider procuring food grains directly from farmers at prices which would have been highly unfavorable to them (the govt’s main concern being feeding the urban poor at an affordable price). Charan Singh, then the CM of UP, resisted the procurement initially and proposed that the govt procure from the wholesale traders. When this did not succeed, he modified the central govt’s plan to the advantage of peasants by offering them a much higher procurement price than the prevailing market rates. The infrastructure he put in place for this led in time to the regime of Minimum Support Price for food grains (and other crops), which has provided stability to the prices of food grains and thus ensured that farmers are not exploited by merchants.

Charan Singh’s rally of Dec 23, 1978

One of the biggest rallies ever to be held in Delhi, the demonstration of the might of Indian peasantry--its coming of age--became evident to all: the anti-farmer government, condescending intelligentsia, and the urban elite who were oblivious to the silent revolution-of-sorts that was brewing in the countryside. The emergence of farmers as a vocal, powerful political constituency owes a great deal to this unprecedented show of strength.

Charan Singh’s budget of 1979

Reduced duty on chemical fertilizers by half. Reduced or abolished taxes on mechanical tillers and other inputs, established NABARD (rural credit)


Charan Singh’s intellectual contributions

Terry Byres (The School of Oriental and African Studies, London), one of the most prominent and astute political economists to have studied Indian agriculture for over half-century sums up Charan Singh as an intellectual, thus:
“My judgment is that on the most rigorous definition Charan Singh was clearly an intellectual; and not only that, a most unusual one” (1988:167).

Moreover Charan Singh is no run-of-mill intellectual: He is an “organic” intellectual.
Again Byres (quoting Gramsci, a Marxist theorist) defined an “organic intellectual” (by the way an influential concept in the social sciences):

“The thinking and organizing element of a particular fundamental social class. These individuals are distinguished….by their function in directing the ideas and aspirations of the class to which they organically belong”

Charan Singh left behind a corpus of work remarkable for its clarity, consistency and penetrating insights (See list below for a sample). A large part of Charan Singh’s intellectual life was devoted to wrestling with the so-called “Agrarian question”. In other words, what is the most appropriate path for a mass of subsistence peasantry to be ushered into capitalism. Methodically, in his numerous writings, he dealt with the various alternatives; collectivization (“there is nowhere in the Indian literature that the case against collectivization is better presented”) and unbridled capitalism. Ultimately, he settled on the principle of “peasant proprietorship”/family farm in the American literature.

Examining the Russian collectivization experience in detail, he offered a devastating and prescient critique on pragmatic, psychological, and social-historical grounds. In addition, he demonstrated the historical relationship between individual peasant proprietorship and emergence of democracy. The analysis and prescriptions are particularly important because of their stubborn independence of prevailing favorable sentiment towards cooperative agriculture among certain sections of the Congress party and the bureaucracy. Brass places Charan Singh’s thinking, his ideology, on economic issues squarely in the neo-populist tradition (which, in very simple terms, argues for the primacy of the people over the corporations or the cooperatives as means to economic transformation). In fact Charan Singh propounded the famous “Urban bias” thesis and its role in perpetuating poverty in the underdeveloped countries, which was later picked up by the well-known political-economist Michael Lipton. In terms of the cogency, influence, sheer output and the remarkable continuity in his arguments over a span of half century, he is often likened to the famous Russian neo-populists like Chayanov, who defended the “family farm” in face of the relentless capitalist onslaught.

From 1947 onwards, Charan Singh used the famous “inverse relationship” between land holding and productivity to buttress his argument against cooperative agriculture. In his writings, he was a prolific but discriminating user of data and statistics. Fully conversant with the current agricultural economic research, he deployed findings to both support his arguments, and to guide his political practice.




Let’s now turn our attention to concerns that have been raised here: the “mistakes” of Charan Singh:

“Not taking the community in a new direction”: so freeing the community from the clutches of blood-sucking Zamindars was not a new direction. I guess if he had taken them over a cliff, it would count!

Not building concrete structures. Hmmmm…. What has that great institution the “Sarv Khap”, of which we have heard many a wonderful tale, left us with, and how about that great emperor Harshvardhan “Virk”? But wait, maybe, we will soon find out that they built the Taj Mahal!

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“Zamindars are tax collectors”. Yeah and Holocaust was a picnic!
You know it is these sweet Zamindars, these great tax collectors who have made Pakistan the wonderfully progressive nation it is today. These feudal elements, in combination with the military, control most of the land (in absence of effective LAND REFORM) and resist democracy tooth and nail at every step. I guess, according to some people we will be better off under that system, as long as these Zamindars are Jats! For some people, believe it or not, feudalism is still a virtue!

How we have to evaluate National leaders on basis of their contribution to their castes:
Evaluate Gandhi on the basis of his contribution to Gujarati banias. Result: FAIL

But no one should be surprised by the comments of Mr Chaudhary and his highly disrespectful tone. These views are logical corollaries of a mindset that takes a purely communal view of history. And then we blame Jinnah for being parochial and not nationalist enough in demanding Pakistan. Charan Singh wasn’t screaming “Sarv Khap Zindabad” (or Jai Harsh Vardhan!) from the ramparts of the Red Fort, but he accomplished a lot for the peasantry, including Jats, without making a huge show of his affinities and allegiances.



Regarding hanging on to the coattails of anyone including the Congress, Charan Singh simply was too proud, and too much his own man, to do that. Besides his record and achievements speak for themselves. He was opposed in most of his actions on behalf of peasantry, by the Congress. He perhaps could influence agricultural policies more being in the Congress, than if he had been outside it. Very skillfully, he reminded the Congress party, from time to time, using a combination of tactics, of the political stupidity of alienating the countryside. And he knew where to draw the line. He was the only leader to have the balls to stand up to Nehru when the latter proposed collectivization of agriculture in the Nagpur session of the Congress. Charan Singh, being the pragmatist that he was, knew that the fiercely independent peasantry would have trouble with the alien concept of cooperative agriculture. Nehru had to relent in face of his unflinching resistance.

Finally, I would like to recount an anecdote which Terry Byres, a committed Marxist, and not certainly one sympathetic to Charan Singh’s political goals, writes in the latter’s obituary. The incident being related goes to the heart of the condescending, belittling and contemptuous attitude that urban intellectuals held Charan Singh (and let’s not forget, also the class he came from) in. An Indian student from an urban background (not unlike our Mr Chaudhary) walks in Byres office, and spotting Charan Singh’s “Economic Nightmare of India…” on the professor’s desk dismissively remarked: "Did he really write this?” Unfortunately, even almost twenty years after Chaudhary Saheb’s death we still have people displaying similar arrogance and ignorance. But then his memory and legacy continues to live and resonate among millions of farmers and others - the toiling masses, whose lives he immeasurably improved by his actions and ideology. The amazing array of qualities that he embodied—incisive intellect, charisma, earthy charm, unsparing candor, rugged individualism, unbending integrity, steadfastness of purpose and vision-- while retaining ties to his culture, have endeared him greatly to Jats, who love to see these qualities in their leaders. It is this silent majority--the motor of history-- which shall remain the failsafe repository of Ch. Charan Singh’s ideas.


REFERENCES (Including selected works of Charan Singh)

Bose, Ajai. 1987. Champion of India’s Peasant’s is Dead. The Observer. May 30.

Brass, Paul R. 1965. Factional Politics in Congress in Uttar Pradesh. Berkeley: University of California Press.

Brass. Paul R. 1980. The Politicization of Peasantry in a North Indian State: Part 1. Journal of Peasant Studies. Vol 7. No. 4.
Byres. Terence J. 1978. Charan Singh: An Assessment. Journal of Peasant Studies. Vol 9. No2. 139-189.

Lipton, Michael. 1977. Why poor people stay poor: a study of urban bias in World Development. London: Temple Smith.

Singh, Charan. 1947. Abolition of Zamindari: Two alternatives. Allahabad: Kitabistan

--1949. Abolition of Zamindari: Critics answered. Allahabad. Suptdt. Printing and Stationaery. United Provinces, India

--1956 Whither Cooperative Farming? Allahabad. Suptdt. Printing and Stationary. Uttar Pradesh, India
--1958 Agrarian Revolution in Uttar Pradesh. Allahabad. Suptdt. Printing and Stationaery. Uttar Pradesh, India

--1959 Joint Farming X-Rayed: The Problem and its Solution. Allahabad: Kitabistan

--1964 India’s Poverty and its Solution. London: Asia Publishing House.

--1970 The story of New Congress-BKD relations: How the New Congress Broke the UP coalition. Lucknow: BKD

--1978 India’s Economic Policy: The Gandhian Blueprint. New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House

--1981 Economic Nightmare of India: Its Cause and Cure. New Delhi: National Publishing House. [Once prescribed text at Harvard University]

Sreeraman, N. 1966 A note on field consolidation in Uttar Pradesh: A field survey. Indian Journal of Agricultural Economics, 66
 
“Zamindars are tax collectors”. Yeah and Holocaust was a picnic!
You know it is these sweet Zamindars, these great tax collectors who have made Pakistan the wonderfully progressive nation it is today. These feudal elements, in combination with the military, control most of the land (in absence of effective LAND REFORM) and resist democracy tooth and nail at every step. I guess, according to some people we will be better off under that system, as long as these Zamindars are Jats! For some people, believe it or not, feudalism is still a virtue!--1978 India’s Economic Policy: The Gandhian Blueprint. New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House

--1981 Economic Nightmare of India: Its Cause and Cure. New Delhi: National Publishing House. [Once prescribed text at Harvard University]

Sreeraman, N. 1966 A note on field consolidation in Uttar Pradesh: A field survey. Indian Journal of Agricultural Economics, 66
Thats a long and informative list of achievements of Ch Charan Singh that you have put up here Prashant but I could never see the effect of all this in western U P in terms of economic development in general and of jats in specific. Baghpat even today has no medium scale industry, forget about a big one, same is the status of Baraut, meerut has progressed only in the last 10 yrs that also not because of Ajit Singh but inspite of him.
 
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रिंकू श्योरान, मैंने आपकी सारी बातें पढ़ीं ऊपर, जो आपने चौधरी चरण सिंह, चौधरी अजीत सिंह और पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश के बारे में कही हैं. उनमें से कुछ बातें मुझे अजीब-सी लगीं. हालांकि आपकी सोच बदलने की मेरी कोई इच्छा नहीं हैं, लेकिन चूंकि आपने ये बातें पब्लिक फोरम पर लिखी हैं, इसलिए इन पर प्रतिक्रिया तो की ही जा सकती है.
जहां तक चौधरी चरण सिंह जी की बात है तो वे अभी तक एकमात्र जाट हैं, जो प्रधानमंत्री पद तक पहुंचे. उन्होंने क्या किया, क्या नहीं किया, उस बात को छोड़ो. चौधरी चरण सिंह ने भारत के प्रधानमंत्रियों की सूची में एक जाट नाम शामिल करवा दिया, यही क्या हम सब जाटों के लिए कम गौरव की बात है? चौधरी अजीत सिंह भी कोई बुरे व्यक्ति नहीं हैं. कई बार केंद्रीय मंत्री रहे हैं वे, इसके बावजूद उन्होंने कहां कोई घोटाला किया है?
आप एक बात और बार-बार कर रहे हो. पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में फलाना भवन नहीं है, वहां उद्योग नहीं है, बागपत भारत का सबसे गरीब जिला है वगैरह-वगैरह? आपकी इन बातों का कोई अर्थ नहीं है और मेरा दावा है कि अपनी इन बातों के समर्थन में आप कोई प्रमाण नहीं दे सकते. पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में जाटों के नाम पर, चौधरी चरण सिंह के नाम पर और बहुत कुछ है. आपकी बातें पढ़कर ऐसा लगता है कि या तो आप पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश के बारे में कुछ भी नहीं जानते या फिर सब-कुछ जानते हुए भी अनजान बन रहे हो. किसी भी क्षेत्र के बारे में मैं या आप क्या सोचते हो, इस बाते के कुछ भी मायने नहीं हैं, बल्कि मायने इस बात के हैं कि ये दुनिया उस क्षेत्र के बारे में क्या सोचती है और तथ्य क्या कहते हैं. नीचे पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश के बारे में ये दुनिया क्या सोचती है और तथ्य क्या कहते हैं, इस पर गौर फरमाएं :

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Western Uttar Pradesh

Western Uttar Pradesh, sometimes simply referred to as West U.P., is a region in India that comprises the western districts of Uttar Pradesh state, including the areas of Rohilkhand and Braj. The region has some demographic, economic and cultural patterns which are distinct from other parts of Uttar Pradesh, and more closely resemble those of Haryana and Rajasthan states. Western Uttar Pradesh has experienced rapid economic growth, in a fashion similar to Haryana and Punjab, due to the successes of the Green Revolution.

Demographics
The population of Western Uttar Pradesh is composed of a varied set of communities and tribes, including Ahirs, Dalits, Gujjars, Gadarias, Jats, Rajputs, Rohilla Pashtuns, Tyagis and Yadavs. Specifically, although Jats were only 1.6% of the total population of Uttar Pradesh state in the caste-based census of 1931, they are concentrated in this region and "comprise nearly 40 per cent of the population in Meerut, Muzaffarnagar, Saharanpur, and Bijnor districts" of Western Uttar Pradesh. The Jats are a dominant agricultural community spread across Pakistan, Punjab, Haryana and Western Uttar Pradesh.
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Meerut 9th in top 10 tax-paying cities
Posted in: BusinessMonday 30th, June 2008
This is one top 10 mention that does Meerut proud. After years of being known for its lawlessness and underdevelopment, this dusty western UP town now occupies ninth place among the top ten income tax paying cities of the country.
According to statistics compiled by the Income Tax department, Meerut contributed a handsome Rs 10,089 crore to the national kitty in 2007-08, leaving fancier cities like Jaipur, Bhopal, Kochi and Bhubaneshwar in its wake. It did even better than the state capital, Lucknow.
Mumbai and Delhi continue to occupy the top two slots with revenues of Rs 114,161 crore and Rs 46,865 crore respectively.
Quite unlike its wild west image, a definite improvement in Meerut's economic health is visible as this is the third year in a row that the town has figured on the top ten list. In fact, two years ago, it had made it to the fifth slot, just behind the traditional big hitters Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore and Chennai.
These four continue to lead the 2007-08 list, followed by Hyderabad, Pune, Kolkata, Ahmedabad and Chandigarh. Meerut's success owes itself to the prosperous industrial belt with a large number of mid-sized iron and steel foundries as well as chemical and manufacturing units.
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Miracle of water: irrigation enriches UP villages
Posted on Jun 03, 2010
On either side of the narrow road from Shamli to Bhaiswal, the rich brown alluvial soil of the Ganga-Yamuna doab radiates a lustre that is the envy of any farmer. Sugarcane saplings are taking root in freshly ploughed fields; the remaining expanse is a vast golden-brown sheet of wheat and hay- ripe and ready for the harvest.
Shamli, in Muzaffarnagar district, is in the heart of western UP’s sugarcane belt and it is one of the best-irrigated tehsil or taluka in the country. Bhasiwal is a prosperous village eight km from Shamli. Less than two hundred years back, this was a semi- arid land; totally dependent on monsoons for the crop, plagued by famines.
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कुछ साल पहले एक चमार ने पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में आत्महत्या कर ली थी, उसी पर बवाल मच गया था कि हाय! इस बेहद संपन्न क्षेत्र में भी किसान आत्महत्या करने लगे. आपकी जानकारी के लिए बता दूं कि पंजाब में भी अभी तक 75 से ज्यादा किसान गरीबी की वजह से आत्महत्या कर चुके हैं, लेकिन हरियाणा और पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में ऐसी कोई घटना नहीं हुई है.
Farmer suicide in prosperous western UP
Times of India, The, May 9, 2007
BHILAVALI (AGRA): Kedar Singh wasn't a marginal cotton cultivator in the killing fields of Vidarbha. But like many of them, he was debt-ridden. Threatened by the moneylender, distressed by crop failure and swindled by the man to whom he had sold off his land, the Dalit western Uttar Pradesh farmer ended his life last week.
As per official statistics, 8,263 farmers have committed suicide in seven states (Maharashtra, Karnataka, Kerala, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Punjab and Gujarat) between 2003 and March 2007. Bountiful western UP appeared to have bucked the trend.
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मैं ये बात कहता हूं कि पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश में और यहां के जाटों में ये दुनिया आज तक कोई भी तर्कसंगत कमी नहीं निकाल सकी है. बाकी सब क्षेत्रों में, वहां के लोगों में कोई न कोई कमी है. जैसा कि मैंने शुरू में कहा है किसी क्षेत्र में, वहां के लोगों के बारे में मैं या आप क्या सोचते हैं, इस बात के कोई मायने नहीं हैं, बल्कि मायने इस बात के हैं कि ये दुनिया क्या कहती है. पंजाब, महाराष्ट्र में किसान आत्महत्या कर रहे हैं, राजस्थान में पानी नहीं होता, हरियाणा में लड़कियां ही नहीं हैं, दक्षिण भारत में काले-कलूटे हैं, बंगाल, बिहार में भुखमरी है, पाकिस्तान 4-4 बार पिटा हुआ है, बौद्ध, ईसाई और मुस्लिम देश ऐसे शख्स को अपना बाप मानने को बाध्य हैं, जो उन देशों में पैदा ही नहीं हुए...कहने का मतलब यह कि इस पूरी दुनिया में कोई न कोई कमी निकाल रखी है इस दुनिया ने...पश्चिमी उत्तर प्रदेश के बारे में आपको इस तरह से कोई तर्कसंगत कमी प्रमाण सहित मिल जाए तो बता देना, मैं अपने विचार बदलने की कोशिश करूंगा.
 
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Upender laakda

I really like your write ups and the way think about things.
this topic was menat for discussion on Jat politicains and one is bound to discuss both sides of anyone be it Chuadhary Charan singh, ajit singh, badal, capt amrinder, hooda, chautala, ola, pratap kairon etc. I dont want to digress it but this is how it has come so far.

I have a very high regard for Chaudhary sahab and what he achieved being from a peasant class, all accolades to him for that however my dear friend when someone your own reaches that level then expectation automatically increases and thats the point i was trying to make.
I had no intention to belittle anyone or any region( i have lot man friends from western UP and one of my cousin also married there:)). Please go through my all post then you will definitely understand my intent unlike my dear friends (Hardcore follower of charansingh:cool:)who always get sentimental or laudatory when he see anything written about Ch Chran singh without understanding the intent, i dont know why they do so? might be they try to impress anyone on JL. So i thought lets take factual view instead of perceptive views, that is all me trying to do.
 
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Why do you see no head or tail , Use your head you will see both
I always thought that you are a intellectual person with a flexible mindset but my dear friend with your tunnel vision and adamant thinking made me wrong. Tune to balak aur jhote aale kar rakhi sai ki aad gaye to manna hi nahi. I was expecting hard evidences not just the perception which you n his follower always give.
Me also not a person who will vote for any hooda or chautla or ajit without looking at there deeds or what there ancestors have done beside looting us. App ki ye baaton se wahi sahmat ho sakta hai ya pasanad karega jisse jaankari na ho, ya blindly kisiko bina kisi tathay k usse follow karne lag jaye , so could you please provide more details on this if you have any.

Just picking a article that too from Mr byre who was marxist( how relevant that ideology) in a journal you are saying all these things.

Zamindara Abolition Act (1952…),The Consolidation of Holdings Act of 1953 when these two act were passed which you people think that really he was the one who crafted these. let me just explain you something

The tide was already against the Zamindari system after independence, it was eliminated all over India. Land consolidation bills were also passed all over India, at the same time.So he was simply carrying out his master's orders. His status was not that big at that time that he would have done at his will.The process was already well on its way.
For those not familiar, the Zamindari system was simply a tax collection system where some"zamindar's" were given contracts to collect tax revenue from a number of villages( ebb aade pakistan/congress ne discuss mat kar usne fer kadde kar langey, vaise just small FYI- jitne baniye/baman bureaucracy/ministry/administration mein gandhi aur nehru ne ghusaye agar usse aadhe bhi aapke kisan neta ne kiye hote to kaam chal jata..ab iska data chahiye to bta dena vo bhi de dunga..till 1990 we had around 2500 IAS n out of these100 from brahman n baniyas ebb ye mat kahiye ki vo apni mehnat tain aaye kyunki kisan tse mehnati to koi nhai hai, unko moka nhai mila huamrae kuch khudgarj netaon ki wajah se, ghani detail chaiye ho to RTI laga liye mil jaga ).Then Ch Charan Singh was simply going with the flow n that too with orders from his master.

His hanging on to the Congress tails got him a berth in the anti jat Pant government, a few crumbs, when he could get no further, and his use was over, he deserted.In other words, it could argued that he was on the' make' - simply looking for the trappings of power.When he obtained power, he did not know what to do with it, for he had no vision to start with, except to get some trappings of power. No doubt he was very honest person n politician but at the same time he was arrogant as well.

He may have conned the ignorant peasantry into thinking he was doing much for them, but he was out of touch with them, their hopes, their toils, and aspirations, and despite his long years in politics from 1928 on( as law minister and as chief minister and as Prime minister)- he did not even get one primary school created in his home district, let alone an institution for higher learning or a road, or drinking water or primary basic heath facilities.

Charan Singh’s budget of 1979..usse jyada kahi bada kaam ( 60k karja maanf karke)congress ne aaj kar diya jo kisan hitaishi nahi hai jiski tarif bhi tu kuch jyada hi kar aha hai?
Aur jab itna bada kisan( yaad rahe 70% se adhik kisan jat hain-they both are synonym) neta tha to fir Land cieling act kyun lagu hone diya, jisse sabse jyada nuksan kisan ko hi hua n agar hua to kisi industry cieling act kyun lagu nahi hua sirk kisan ki kamai k jariye bhi cieling kyun baki aur pe kyun nahi?

गिरवी जमीनों की मुफ्त वापसी एक्ट - 1938,कृषि उत्पाद मंडी अधिनियम - 1938,व्यवसाय श्रमिक अधिनियम - 1940,कर्जा माफी अधिनियम - 1934,साहूकार पंजीकरण एक्ट - 1938,---- Jo aapne bataya usse jyada act to punjab mein bahut pahle pass ho gaye the jo sirf aur sirf kisono k liye tha

Again coming back , would you like to give some evidences or you dont have anything other than what you have already wrote
What is it exactly that Charan Singh did do for the Jats, or for the common people???The question still stands
Any schools , education, infrastructure, taking the community in a new direction ???.The question still stands
How did his becoming a political leader help anyone- except himself ??The question still stands

Please do give hard evidences instead of your perception( which i already know)


Ps- main mera homework kadde tain ye badhiya karta aaya n tu bhi homwork karan laag jaga uss din tain to inn rajnitiyon kipicha chhod dega n maine aapse merese discussion k liye nyota nahi diya tha.
 
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Originally written by Rinkusheoran
Just picking a article that too from Mr byre who was marxist( how relevant that ideology) in a journal you are saying all these things.
Rinku, as far as I recollect, Indian Marxists used to call Chaudhary Charan Singh a representative of “Kulaks” which is a Russian word for wealthy peasants as he was the biggest stumbling block for them in their efforts to make inroads in the peasant stronghold, especially in northern part of India. Because Ch Charan Singh was the undisputed leader of the farming community irrespective of caste and size of holdings, no left movement could ever gather momentum in northern India except for a few pocket boroughs of Punjab and Rajasthan. Now, if a Marxist journalist has some appreciation for Chaudhary Charan Singh, it is a testimony to the fact that he was really a great leader in his own right. Except Ch. Chhotu Ram, no other Jat leader has ever enjoyed such immense respect and popularity, among people across caste spectrum.
 
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