Reservation is our constitutional right

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भाई जसप्रीत , आपके हर सवाल का जवाब यहा इस थ्रेयड मे मिल जाएगा थोड़ा गौर से पढ़ना | यहा पहले भी बताया हैं की आयोग को एक 1400 पन्नो की फाईल पूरे डाटा के साथ दी हैं | ऐसे ही आकडे पंजाब की तरफ से भी प्रस्तुत किए गए हैं , यहा सिर्फ हरियाणा की इसलिए बात चल रही हैं क्योंकि हम लोग हरियाणा संघर्ष समिति की तरफ से पैरवी कर रहे हैं , हर राज्य की अलग अलग संघर्ष समिति बनाई हुई हैं | पंजाब के जालंधर से सरदार सुच्चा सिंह बाजवा साहब है |
 
एक तरफ तो हम हर बात के लिए ब्रामण और ब्रामन्वाद को कोसते हे और दूसरी तरफ भ्रमानो से ही आरक्षण की भीख मांग रहे हे. कभी हम कहते हे हक़ लड़कर छीना जाता हे कभी हम अपनी वाणी बदल लेते हे. किसी भी बात में कोई बुराई नहीं बस एक महान कौम को एक बात पर अडिग रहना चाहिए तबी दुसरे भी हमारी इज्ज़त करेंगे
 
ब्राह्मण को नहीं ब्राह्मणवाद को कोसते हैं और अपना हक़ भापे से नहीं उस कुर्सी पर बैठे पदाधिकारी से मांगते हैं अब यह इतेफाक हैं की उस कुर्सी पर कोई भापा या ब्राह्मण बैठा हो ....
रही छिनने की बात तो हक़ पहले प्यार से मांगा जाता हैं नहीं तो फिर छिना जाता हैं , सभी नेताओ के यही ब्यान मिलेंगे की हक़ अगर नहीं मिला तो छिन के ले लेंगे ......और अभी सब इस बात पर अडिग हैं की प्यार से मिल जाये ....
 
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I totally agree with Mr.Swaich views regarding Jat reservation. Instead of wasting time and energy in asking something which will spoil our youths( who will work hard if they get the jobs for FREE ,anyways existing OBC reservation should suffice for the needy ones if the creamy layer Jats vouluntarily opt out of reservation quota) we should better concentrate in developing more infrastructure (education/medical facilities) for the community people and eradicating certain social mal-practices
 
Jat Baseline Survey...

A big achievement for the Jat Arakshan Sangharsh Samiti

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/govt-gives-in-to-demand-works-on-quota-for-jats/960125/

The stage is being set for reservation for the Jat community by including it in the OBC category. The National Commission for Backward Classes (NCBC) has already asked the Indian Council for Social Science and Research (ICSSR) to conduct a comprehensive survey on the educational and social status of Jats across six states.Against a backdrop of frequent protests by the community across these states demanding reservation in government jobs, educational institutes and politics beginning to play out on the issue, the NCBC last month approached ICSSR to conduct a quick survey on the socio-economic condition of Jats.The ‘Jat Baseline Survey’ will be conducted by ICSSR across Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, Haryana, Rajasthan, Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh as these are said to have a high Jat population. A preliminary meeting of the NCBC was held with experts at the ICSSR on May 30, 2012 on holding the survey.It was decided that five ICSSR-associated offices will conduct the survey for Jats on the lines of the one conducted for minorities in 90 minority-dominated districts.Even as this exercise takes off, the right noises are already being made on the issue. Earlier this week, Congress general secretary Digvijaya Singh pitched for Jat reservation under the OBC quota. UPA ally RLD has high stakes in the Jat-dominated Manth Assembly which will see byelections on June 12.Singh also told reporters that the Congress was working on the inclusion of Jats in the central list of OBCs and the Home Ministry was awaiting a report from the NCBC on the same. Incidentally, RLD chief Ajit Singh had also called on Home Minister Chidambaram on the issue earlier this week.
The educational and social status of Jats apart, the ICSSR experts have opined that other communities in these states must also be covered under similar parameters so that a comparative understanding of the social fabric wherein Jats reside is understood as well as their needs.“The politics apart, it is important to know the community fabric in these areas. While it will be Jat-dominated districts where the baseline survey will be conducted, significant inferences can be made by studying the constitution of society in these areas. ICSSR will soon start work on the survey,” said an official familiar with the nature of the survey.
 
bharti said:
A big achievement for the Jat Arakshan Sangharsh Samiti

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/govt-gives-in-to-demand-works-on-quota-for-jats/960125/

The stage is being set for reservation for the Jat community by including it in the OBC category. The National Commission for Backward Classes (NCBC) has already asked the Indian Council for Social Science and Research (ICSSR) to conduct a comprehensive survey on the educational and social status of Jats across six states.Against a backdrop of frequent protests by the community across these states demanding reservation in government jobs, educational institutes and politics beginning to play out on the issue, the NCBC last month approached ICSSR to conduct a quick survey on the socio-economic condition of Jats.The ‘Jat Baseline Survey’ will be conducted by ICSSR across Uttar Pradesh, Himachal Pradesh, Haryana, Rajasthan, Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh as these are said to have a high Jat population. A preliminary meeting of the NCBC was held with experts at the ICSSR on May 30, 2012 on holding the survey.It was decided that five ICSSR-associated offices will conduct the survey for Jats on the lines of the one conducted for minorities in 90 minority-dominated districts.Even as this exercise takes off, the right noises are already being made on the issue. Earlier this week, Congress general secretary Digvijaya Singh pitched for Jat reservation under the OBC quota. UPA ally RLD has high stakes in the Jat-dominated Manth Assembly which will see byelections on June 12.Singh also told reporters that the Congress was working on the inclusion of Jats in the central list of OBCs and the Home Ministry was awaiting a report from the NCBC on the same. Incidentally, RLD chief Ajit Singh had also called on Home Minister Chidambaram on the issue earlier this week.
The educational and social status of Jats apart, the ICSSR experts have opined that other communities in these states must also be covered under similar parameters so that a comparative understanding of the social fabric wherein Jats reside is understood as well as their needs.“The politics apart, it is important to know the community fabric in these areas. While it will be Jat-dominated districts where the baseline survey will be conducted, significant inferences can be made by studying the constitution of society in these areas. ICSSR will soon start work on the survey,” said an official familiar with the nature of the survey.
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yaaa stage to mai peechlee 2 saal se sun raha hu...but i wana know when this reservation would be given to jats?kabhi koi survey kabhi koi survey mullo to arakshan mintoo mai mil jata hai....akhilesh yadav hav announced 18%quota for muslims in up police recruitment against the constitution....in any state quota cant go beyond 50% but now after this 18% reservation quota would b now 68% in up.saare survey sirf jaato ke liye hi hai kyaa?
 
satyendra15 said:
I totally agree with Mr.Swaich views regarding Jat reservation. Instead of wasting time and energy in asking something which will spoil our youths( who will work hard if they get the jobs for FREE ,anyways existing OBC reservation should suffice for the needy ones if the creamy layer Jats vouluntarily opt out of reservation quota) we should better concentrate in developing more infrastructure (education/medical facilities) for the community people and eradicating certain social mal-practices
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Thanks veer. At last some one identifies with my point of view. Govt. jobs or seats in govt run institutions are limited and are any day less than the opportunities available in the private sector. Further, going by trends govt. involvement in both education and occupation will decrease. So why not focus on improving our conditions from within rather than asking govt. for help?

And how will reservation help the poor jaats? We have seen how reservation has only helped only few people who are able to manipulate the system and get their sons and daughters admitted into elite institutions even when they are well off and above the minimum income limit for quota. We used to lament the fact that reserved quota people are able to block off seats of us general group. And now we are ourselves becoming a part of the same group.
 
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New Delhi, Jun 12 (PTI) A delegation of jat leaders led by Haryana Chief Minister Bhupinder Singh Hooda today met Union Home Minister P Chidambaram and demanded inclusion of the community in Other Backward Classes (OBCs) category. The delegation comprising jat leaders from Delhi, Punjab, Haryana, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh said inclusion of jats in OBC category will be a socially just decision as it will ensure reservation in jobs to the community. Chidambaram assured the delegation that he would ask the National Commission for Backward Classes to expedite its report on the demand, officials said.​
 
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जाट आरक्षण के लिए केंद्र पर दबाव
जागरण ब्यूरो, नई दिल्ली : जाट आरक्षण के मुद्दे पर दिल्ली में भी सियासत सरगर्म है। जाटलैंड कहे जाने वाले हरियाणा के मुख्यमंत्री भूपेंद्र सिंह हुड्डा ने जाटों को पिछड़े वर्ग की केंद्रीय सूची में शामिल कराने के लिए केंद्र पर दबाव बढ़ा दिया है। उन्होंने मंगलवार को हरियाणा समेत उत्तर प्रदेश, पंजाब, दिल्ली और राजस्थान के जनप्रतिनिधियों के साथ इस मसले पर गृहमंत्री पी. चिदंबरम से मुलाकात की। गृहमंत्री से आश्वासन लेकर लौटे कि वह पिछड़ा वर्ग आयोग से इस मामले में अपनी पुनर्विचार रिपोर्ट जल्द देने को कहेंगे। राष्ट्रीय पिछड़ा वर्ग आयोग प्रधानमंत्री के हस्तक्षेप के बाद दोबारा इस मुद्दे पर विचार के लिए तैयार हुआ है। कुछ दिन पहले ही रालोद सुप्रीमो चौधरी अजित सिंह भी जाट आरक्षण के मुद्दे पर गृहमंत्री से मिल चुके हैं। कांग्रेस महासचिव दिग्विजय सिंह ने भी जाट आरक्षण की मांग का समर्थन किया है। लंबे अरसे से जाट आरक्षण के मुद्दे पर हरियाणा में आंदोलन होते रहे हैं। मुख्यमंत्री हुड्डा पहले गृहमंत्री को जाट आरक्षण की मांग पर पत्र भी लिख चुके हैं। चिदंबरम से मुलाकात करने वाले प्रतिनिधिमंडल का तर्क था कि 90 फीसदी जाटों का मुख्य पेशा खेती है। इनमें से भी ज्यादातर ऐसे हैं, जिनके पास दो एकड़ से भी कम जमीन है। उन्होंने देश में जाटों को आरक्षण की वकालत की। प्रतिनिधिमंडल में सांसद दीपेंद्र हुड्डा, कांग्रेस महासचिव चौधरी बीरेंद्र सिंह, जितेंद्र मलिक, जयप्रकाश, दिल्ली से विस अध्यक्ष योगानंद शास्त्री आदि शामिल थे।
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Hawa Singh Sangwan, Ex. Commandant, President of Akhil Bhartiya Jat Arakshan Sangharsh Samittee, Haryana Unit stated that it is appreciable that a delegation of Congress leaders of five states from Jat community has met Hon’ble Home Minister, Govt. of India, P. Chidambram under the leadership of Ch. Bhupender Singh Hooda, Chief Minister of Haryana for the constitutional right of the Jat community demanding conferment of OBC status to the Jat community, which shows the vision and commitment of Ch. Bhupender Singh Hooda towards the poor farming community of the country. It is for the first time after the Ch. Chhotu Ram era that the leaders of Jat community from ruling party under a particular leader have come to forward to meet the legitimate demand 0f a poor farming community who was kept out of the OBC ambit by the Mandal Commission due to obvious reason.
Sangwan further stated that if the Jat community is confered OBC status at the central level first, the state has to confer the same status at state level as the caste certificate has to be prepared by state’s officials only. The Jat community of Rajasthan was conferred with the OBC status by the Central Govt. of India on 29[SUP]th[/SUP] October, 1999 and subsequently state Govt. had to confer OBC status on 6[SUP]th[/SUP] Nov. 1999 despite the fact that the Rajasthan state was ruled by the opposition party at that time. Under the prevailing situation Sangharsh Samittee has to review the strategy on 17[SUP]th[/SUP] June in a meeting at Charkhi Dadri.
 
अखिल भारतीय जाट आरक्षण संघर्ष समिति के प्रदेशाध्यक्ष पूर्व कमांडेंट हवासिंह सांगवान ने पत्रकारों से बातचीत करते हुए बताया कि हरियाणा के मुख्यमंत्री चौ. भूपेंद्र सिंह हुड्डा की अध्यक्षता में पांच राज्यों का जाट समाज से संबंधित कांग्रेस पार्टी के नेताओं का एक शिष्टमंडल जाट आरक्षण की मांग को लेकर केंद्रीय गृह मंत्री पी चिदंबरम से मिला, जिससे यह प्रतीत होता है की चौ. भूपेंद्र सिंह हुड्डा की नीयत साफ है और वे एक ऊंची सोच के मालिक हैं तथा वे समाज के सभी वर्गों के अधिकारों के प्रति सचेत हैं।
सांगवान ने पत्रकारों को आगे बताया की यदि केद्र में जाटों को पिछड़ी जाति मान लिया जाता है तो राज्य स्तर पर भी जाट पिछड़ी जाति में अपने आप शामिल हो जाएंगे। जिस प्रकार राजस्थान के जाटों को 29 अक्टूबर, 1999 को केद्र सरकार ने पिछड़ी जाति में सम्मिलित किया और राजस्थान राज्य में दूसरी पार्टी की सरकार होते हुए भी 6 नवंबर, 1999 को राज्य स्तर पर जाट समाज को पिछड़ा घोषित करना पड़ा क्योंकि पिछड़ी जाति का प्रमाण पत्र देने की जिम्मेवारी राज्य के अधिकारियों की होती है। सांगवान ने यह भी बतलाया कि इस मुद्दे पर विस्तार से विचार करने के लिए 17 जून को दादरी में एक बहुत बड़ी मीटिंग बुलाई जा रही है।
 
शायद इन सब को पिछड़ा वर्ग आयोग की रिपोर्ट की भनक लग चुकी है की उस रिपोर्ट में जाटों को आरक्षण की वकालत की जायेगी... लेकिन ये बहुत अच्छी बात है की मुख्यमंत्री हूडा ने खुल के जाट समाज की इस जरुरत को समझा है........ लेकिन फिर भी में कहूँगा की इन नेताओं से सावधान .... अपने फायदे और पिछड़े वर्ग के वोट बैंक के चक्कर में ये लोग कहीं धोखा ना दे दें...... और हाँ ... जरुरी नहीं कांग्रेस के नेता ही धोखा देंगे .... किसी भी पार्टी के नेता दे सकते हैं...सब से सावधान रहो.... और अपने लक्ष्य पे अटल रहे तो सरकार को घुटने टेकने होंगे...!!

कल जब हरयाणा में जाटों के आरक्षण की बात होगी.... तो हूडा चौटाला (और ये सारे जो चिदंबरम से मिले हैं ) शायद हर जगह अपनी पीठ थप थापा लें... लेकिन आज संघर्ष का बिगुल जो आरक्षण समिति ने बजा रखा है... असली श्रेय इनको मिलना चाहिए....यह सब हमारी पीढ़ी की और इतिहासकारों की जिम्मेवारी है...

 
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Respected Sirs ,

May I m wrong still as we live in democratic country everyone has right to express their views-

Why the hell on earth - i need reservation
-m i physically challenged
- m in minority
- m i backward

I know i m best - n i can defeat anyone in any field then why I need Govt Crutches ??????????????

People who can not do anything themselves or lack in some way or other- they need it

not me

Regards,
Anonymous
 
Probably you dont need it as you are having all capabilities. But our community is very big and there are people who need reservation. So, if you are concerned about other "not so blessed" people in our community - you can support reservation.

Further, its not about govt jobs - its about fair chance to our community. Wouldnt you like to see more Jat fellows getting into IITs and MBBS courses?

rekha said:
Respected Sirs ,

May I m wrong still as we live in democratic country everyone has right to express their views-

Why the hell on earth - i need reservation
-m i physically challenged
- m in minority
- m i backward

I know i m best - n i can defeat anyone in any field then why I need Govt Crutches ??????????????

People who can not do anything themselves or lack in some way or other- they need it

not me

Regards,
Anonymous
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rekha said:
Respected Sirs ,

May I m wrong still as we live in democratic country everyone has right to express their views-

Why the hell on earth - i need reservation
-m i physically challenged
- m in minority
- m i backward

I know i m best - n i can defeat anyone in any field then why I need Govt Crutches ??????????????

People who can not do anything themselves or lack in some way or other- they need it

not me

Regards,
Anonymous
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जाटलैंड पर आपका सुवागत है, अब आप स्मृति से अनोन्यमोस हो गयी है
आप अपने विचार रखने के लिए आज़ाद है
एक गुजारिश है की आरक्षण पर 3 /4 थ्रेड है जाट लैंड पर
थोड़ा सा टाइम निकाल कर सभी को पढ़िये ,
और फिर आइये अपने विचार लेकर,
बहुत बहस हो चुकी है यानहा पर,
मैं आपके अपने विचार बदलने के लिए नहीं कह रहा हूँ
और एक और रिक्वेस्ट करता हूँ की , ग्रामर मिसटेक न निकाले
 
rekha said:
Respected Sirs ,

May I m wrong still as we live in democratic country everyone has right to express their views-

Why the hell on earth - i need reservation
-m i physically challenged
- m in minority
- m i backward

I know i m best - n i can defeat anyone in any field then why I need Govt Crutches ??????????????

People who can not do anything themselves or lack in some way or other- they need it

not me

Regards,
Anonymous
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The demand for reservation of seats in OBC quota is for lesser privileged brothers and sisters belonging to the Jat community as a whole; and not exclusively for one 'I' or another 'you.' Some people who do not meet the set criterion will automatically weed out of the reservation benefit such as those falling in creamy layer. But this does not mean that we start opposing the genuine demand of our community.

Then again, talented persons, if any, can opt for competing for only 'open category' ignoring the provision of OBC category.

Thanks


PS:Your enthusiasm for expressing your frank opinion is welcome but it is puzzling that Ms. Rekha Tomar tags her post 'Anonymous.'
 
DrRajpalSingh said:
The demand for reservation of seats in OBC quota is for lesser privileged brothers and sisters belonging to the Jat community as a whole; and not exclusively for one 'I' or another 'you.' Some people who do not meet the set criterion will automatically weed out of the reservation benefit such as those falling in creamy layer. But this does not mean that we start opposing the genuine demand of our community.

Then again, talented persons, if any, can opt for competing for only 'open category' ignoring the provision of OBC category.

Thanks


PS:Your enthusiasm for expressing your frank opinion is welcome but it is puzzling that Ms. Rekha Tomar tags her post 'Anonymous.'
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I have mentioned this before, but we need data/information before we can come to the conclusion that Jats need reservation. At this moment the demand for reservation seems purely politically motivated. Reservation sadly has become a political game. Here are a few metrics that could help decide whether Jats require reservation. These metrics can be further divided into rural and urban.

1) Are per capita income figures for Jats lower than the state/national average?
2) Are per capita education levels, literacy rate, educational degress lower than the state/national average?
3) Are household income levels lower than the state/national average?

I think Jats would struggle to make the lower cut for reservation at least in Haryana and Punjab. Although I am not very well acquainted with the status of Jats in Western UP, my guess is that their rank would be slightly lower than those in Haryana.
 
anilsangwan said:
कल जब हरयाणा में जाटों के आरक्षण की बात होगी.... तो हूडा चौटाला (और ये सारे जो चिदंबरम से मिले हैं ) शायद हर जगह अपनी पीठ थप थापा लें... लेकिन आज संघर्ष का बिगुल जो आरक्षण समिति ने बजा रखा है... असली श्रेय इनको मिलना चाहिए....यह सब हमारी पीढ़ी की और इतिहासकारों की जिम्मेवारी है...
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Yes . . . . !!
 
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