Sajjan Kumar walks free..

[vpannu]

Karkardooma court acquitted Sajjan Kumar (who is not Sajjan by any means) of 1984 Sikh riots. I fail to understand how on earth could Sajjan Kumar walk free and the rest 5 accused were held guilty? Is it because he is a Congress stalwart? Has the ruling party again influenced the judiciary? The dog committed a genocide and was let go.
When this incident occured, I probably wasn't old enough to talk/walk but I have read about this a quite a lot on internet (mainly because of Kanishka's bombing) and it is gut-wrenching how, at his behest, fellow countrymen were slaughtered. A few friends from Delhi told me that he played an active role in these anti-sikh riots.
On this incident, an unsympathetic Rajiv Gandhi stated that "when a big tree falls, the earth shakes".
Congress is well & truly still keeping East India company's "Divide & Rule" policy alive.

 

[vicky84]

Bro, judiciary can't do anything against power and influence. Judiciary is also corrupt. Because he has good links with congress party, you can't do anything to him. Salman Khan, 8-9 years ago crushed many people sleeping on the side of the road but nothing has happened to him. Law and order is helpless against powerful people. So I am not surprised that he got aquitted without any charges.

 

[sanjeev1984]

Bhai judiciary ki galti nahi hai... system hi aisa bana rukha hai... Court se poochoge to Sajjan kumar bekasor milega... jabki usi court ke Judge ko pata hoga ki vo kasoorwar hai...
kahin suna tha... kanoon aandha hota hai judge nahi...

Bro, judiciary can't do anything against power and influence. Judiciary is also corrupt. Because he has good links with congress party, you can't do anything to him. Salman Khan, 8-9 years ago crushed many people sleeping on the side of the road but nothing has happened to him. Law and order is helpless against powerful people. So I am not surprised that he got aquitted without any charges.

 

[virj]

Karkardooma court acquitted Sajjan Kumar (who is not Sajjan by any means) of 1984 Sikh riots. I fail to understand how on earth could Sajjan Kumar walk free and the rest 5 accused were held guilty? Is it because he is a Congress stalwart? Has the ruling party again influenced the judiciary? The dog committed a genocide and was let go.
When this incident occured, I probably wasn't old enough to talk/walk but I have read about this a quite a lot on internet (mainly because of Kanishka's bombing) and it is gut-wrenching how, at his behest, fellow countrymen were slaughtered. A few friends from Delhi told me that he played an active role in these anti-sikh riots.
On this incident, an unsympathetic Rajiv Gandhi stated that "when a big tree falls, the earth shakes".
Congress is well & truly still keeping East India company's "Divide & Rule" policy alive.

As a gentleman was saying yesterday. The mass murderers were the ruller that time and their legacy is still rulling the country so how can justice be delivered.

The problem is that if they punish Sajjan Kumar then congress would be caught as well.

Yesterday in another unfortunate incident CBI director said that they are part of the govt.

In Sajjan's case it was CBI who was investigating and how can congress allow a fair probe. Even if the victims go to supreme court the irony is that it would again be CBI who would be investigating.

Those victims has waited 30 years just for this black day.

 

[vicky84]

Thik kehte ho bhai.. Lekin aap judiciary ko under estimate to nahi kar rahe ho?

Chautla ko jo saza sunayi gayi usme judge ka bahut bada role tha..

Saza kaam bhi sunayi ja sakti thi lekin political interfere aur apni personal ranjish ko nikalne ke liye itni kadi saza sunayi gayi..

Judge bhi chik ke paisa khate hain...chote level pe aur bade level pem dono par.

Yadi Chautala ki jagah koi jana mana cangressi hota to aaram se bach jata..

Bhai judiciary ki galti nahi hai... system hi aisa bana rukha hai... Court se poochoge to Sajjan kumar bekasor milega... jabki usi court ke Judge ko pata hoga ki vo kasoorwar hai...
kahin suna tha... kanoon aandha hota hai judge nahi...

 

[ravinderjeet]

जिह की लाट्ठी उह की मेंह्स ।

 

[desijat]

Sajjan ko riha kare to Judiciary kharabh aur Modi ko bari kare to judiciary mahan? Samajh nahi aata adalate kharabh hai ya hamare dekhne ka nazariya

Jab CWG, Coalgate aur 3G mamlo main court kade rukh leta hai isi sarkar ke khilaf tab to main nahi padta aap main se koi ye kahe ki judiciary kharabh hai, aur aaj ek faisla aaya jo aap ki rajneetik soch ke viprit hai to court par hi sawal uthane lage?

 

[akshaymalik84]

Sorryyyyy Shaktimaan!

 

[sivach]

आप किसका बचाव कर रहे है कोर्ट का या खान्ग्रेस का या मोदी का विरोध, स्पष्ट नहीं है | खान्ग्रेस भी बिलकुल ऐसी ही शैली का उपयोग करती है किसी भी मुद्दे को किसी दूसरे भिन्न विषय के मुद्दों से जोड़ कर ऐसा घालमेल करती है कि किसी की कुछ समझ ही ना आये कि सही क्या है और गलत क्या है | कुछ विषय ऐसे होते है जिन्हें हमेशा राजनैतिक सोच से अलग होकर देखना चाहिए भले ही वो उनकी राजनैतिक पार्टी से सम्बंधित हो| 1984 के सिख कत्लेआम (जी हाँ ये कत्लेआम ही था दंगो में तो दोनों पक्षों के लोग मारे जाते है और 84 में सिर्फ सिख ही मारे गए) भी देश का ऐसा ही मुद्दा है |

हमारे नही, आपके देखने का नजरिया और कुछ निचली अदालते दोनों ही खराब है| जिला स्तर की अदालतों में किस कदर भ्रष्टाचार है आप कल्पना भी नहीं कर सकते | जो निचली अदालतों की कार्यवाही और माहौल से परिचित है उससे पता करना तो पता चलेगा कितने बड़े बड़े खेल होते है |

आज के वक्त के जैसा मीडिया यदि 1984 के वक्त भी रहा होता तो यकीन से कह सकता हूँ कि खान्ग्रेस के बड़े बड़े लोग तिहाड़ में बंद होते| जो सीबीआई, खान्गेस के आला नेताओ को बचाने के लिये, सुप्रीम कोर्ट की निगरानी में हो रही जांच में भी झूठ बोल सकती है उससे निचली में सच की उम्मीद करना बेमानी है |

sajjan ko riha kare to judiciary kharabh aur modi ko bari kare to judiciary mahan? Samajh nahi aata adalate kharabh hai ya hamare dekhne ka nazariya

jab cwg, coalgate aur 3g mamlo main court kade rukh leta hai isi sarkar ke khilaf tab to main nahi padta aap main se koi ye kahe ki judiciary kharabh hai, aur aaj ek faisla aaya jo aap ki rajneetik soch ke viprit hai to court par hi sawal uthane lage?

 

[ankurmalik]

Karkardooma court acquitted Sajjan Kumar (who is not Sajjan by any means) of 1984 Sikh riots. I fail to understand how on earth could Sajjan Kumar walk free and the rest 5 accused were held guilty? Is it because he is a Congress stalwart? Has the ruling party again influenced the judiciary? The dog committed a genocide and was let go.
When this incident occured, I probably wasn't old enough to talk/walk but I have read about this a quite a lot on internet (mainly because of Kanishka's bombing) and it is gut-wrenching how, at his behest, fellow countrymen were slaughtered. A few friends from Delhi told me that he played an active role in these anti-sikh riots.
On this incident, an unsympathetic Rajiv Gandhi stated that "when a big tree falls, the earth shakes".
Congress is well & truly still keeping East India company's "Divide & Rule" policy alive.

Very unfortunate news my dear friend. Sajjan and Jagdish tytler were d main conspirators of 84 riots but after such a long time, nothing has happened to dem. To please their congressi bosses, they kiilled so many innocent people. they also washed off all the evidence back then. so dear , don;t expect much. congress party already control our investigation agencies. like CBI,CVC etc. so nothing can be proved.

 

[cooljat]

1984 and 2002 exemplify the two extremes of Justice that India has seen...


1984 - Reason of riots: 2 sikhs killed one person, Indira Gandhi.
2002 - Reason of riots: A mob of 2000 muslims chanting slogans of Pakistan Zindabad using over 140 liters of Petrol, burnt to death 59 Hindus who were returning from Ayodhya. Tried to burn more coaches as well.

1984 - Rajiv Gandhi said, "When a big tree falls, the earth is bound to shake". Rajiv Gandhi contested elections with anti-Sikh slogans.
2002 - Narendra Modi said, "There's a chain of action and reaction. We want neither action, nor reaction should take place." Narendra Modi appealed for peace. Sought help from neighboring states and center to have spare forces.

1984 - Rioters went on on killing spree for 3 days. The police and security forces remained mute spectators. Didn't fire a single round. Official dead count (presented by Congress govt in Congress ruled state): Over 3300. Unofficial: 20000. All Sikhs.
2002 - Shoot at sight orders issued the first day, over 80000 preventive arrests made. Army deployed within 24 hours. Gujarat police and Indian army eliminated over a 100 rioters. Casualty count - 790 muslims, 256 Hindus (presented by UPA government for riots in BJP ruled state)

1984 - Probe by compromised CBI. Barely any convictions. Witnesses compromised, threatened. Sajjan Kumar, H K L Bhagat, Jagdish Tytler - all went scot free. 29 years and no justice.
2002 - Probe by Supreme Court appointed and monitored SIT. Record 250+ convictions. CM himself cooperated with all enquiry.

Sajjan ko riha kare to Judiciary kharabh aur Modi ko bari kare to judiciary mahan? Samajh nahi aata adalate kharabh hai ya hamare dekhne ka nazariya

Jab CWG, Coalgate aur 3G mamlo main court kade rukh leta hai isi sarkar ke khilaf tab to main nahi padta aap main se koi ye kahe ki judiciary kharabh hai, aur aaj ek faisla aaya jo aap ki rajneetik soch ke viprit hai to court par hi sawal uthane lage?

 

[desijat]

आप किसका बचाव कर रहे है कोर्ट का या खान्ग्रेस का या मोदी का विरोध, स्पष्ट नहीं है |

मैं सिर्फ़ उस सच का बचाव कर रहा हू जो आज कोर्ट मैं साबित हुआ है, अगर कल सुप्रीम कोर्ट सज्जन या जगदीश को दोषी करार करती है तो मैं उस सच का भी बचाव करूँगा, मेरा भरोसा मेरी न्याय प्रणाली पर है ना की उस लोगो पर जो राजनीति से बहक कर लोगो को न्यायपालिका से उपर उठ कर दोषी करार दे

 

[desijat]

Another difference:

1984: Congress apologised and regretted what happened, dropped the people charged from its electoral list
2002: Modi never regretted what happened, kept main accused like Amit Shah in cabinet and influenced the trials(recorded in SC statement)

1984 and 2002 exemplify the two extremes of Justice that India has seen...

 

[vvk1987]

1984 and 2002 exemplify the two extremes of Justice that India has seen...


1984 - Reason of riots: 2 sikhs killed one person, Indira Gandhi.
2002 - Reason of riots: A mob of 2000 muslims chanting slogans of Pakistan Zindabad using over 140 liters of Petrol, burnt to death 59 Hindus who were returning from Ayodhya. Tried to burn more coaches as well.

1984 - Rajiv Gandhi said, "When a big tree falls, the earth is bound to shake". Rajiv Gandhi contested elections with anti-Sikh slogans.
2002 - Narendra Modi said, "There's a chain of action and reaction. We want neither action, nor reaction should take place." Narendra Modi appealed for peace. Sought help from neighboring states and center to have spare forces.

1984 - Rioters went on on killing spree for 3 days. The police and security forces remained mute spectators. Didn't fire a single round. Official dead count (presented by Congress govt in Congress ruled state): Over 3300. Unofficial: 20000. All Sikhs.
2002 - Shoot at sight orders issued the first day, over 80000 preventive arrests made. Army deployed within 24 hours. Gujarat police and Indian army eliminated over a 100 rioters. Casualty count - 790 muslims, 256 Hindus (presented by UPA government for riots in BJP ruled state)

1984 - Probe by compromised CBI. Barely any convictions. Witnesses compromised, threatened. Sajjan Kumar, H K L Bhagat, Jagdish Tytler - all went scot free. 29 years and no justice.
2002 - Probe by Supreme Court appointed and monitored SIT. Record 250+ convictions. CM himself cooperated with all enquiry.

Sir, on another thread (where you are furiously advocating Modi's case) you were appreciative of Supreme Court when it rapped CBI on Coalgate Issue. Isn't it a cherry picking approach. Which posture of judiciary is authentic? When it gives the verdict according to your taste?

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Supreme Court raps CBI


In a big embarrassment to the government in the coalgate case, the Supreme Court on Tuesday termed as “very disturbing” the CBI affidavit on sharing its report with the Law Minister and others and slammed the agency for having kept the court in the dark on the issue

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...te-sc-to-cbi/article4669746.ece?homepage=true


Waiting for "Expert's" take on it.

I, however, condemn the 1984 riots which were a national shame and a reprehensible act under the very nose of the ruling party. The court might not be able to censure or punish the guilty for want of sufficient evidence, but the ruling party can never absolve itself of the overall responsibility of this ghastly crime and it will keep haunting it till infinity.

 

[cooljat]

Sir, I just shared the news, Judiciary system is equally corrupt and not at all reliable. Would like to share this line that sums it all -

जहां तक सुप्रीम कोर्ट की डांट का सवाल है, सरकार का रवैया उस ढीठ बच्चे की तरह है जो जानता है मां बाप डांट तो सकते हैं, मगर घर से नहीं निकाल सकते।

Sir, on another thread (where you are furiously advocating Modi's case) you were appreciative of Supreme Court when it rapped CBI on Coalgate Issue. Isn't it a cherry picking approach. Which posture of judiciary is authentic? When it gives the verdict according to your taste?

 

[desijat]

I dont think that was Vivek's point, his point was how come judiciary becomes the gospel truth when it passes a comment on CWG or 3G and lets go off Modi but becomes corrupt and unreliable for you when it lets go off Sajjan kumar

Sir, I just shared the news, Judiciary system is equally corrupt and not at all reliable. Would like to share this line that sums it all -

 

[phoolkumar]

यहाँ हर कोई भावुक हुआ जा रहा है पर उस वास्तविकता की तरफ कोई ध्यान नहीं देना चाहता कि 84 के पीछे कितना बड़ा काला अध्याय था? मैं कड़ियाँ जोड़ देता हूँ पूरे प्रकरण की| यह सिलसिला शुरू हुआ खालिस्तान की मांग के साथ| तो पहले तो आप में से कितने हैं जो कि अगर आज खालिस्तान बन जाए तो उसके जाना जाना पसंद करेंगे? बताइये कि आप में से कितने चाहेंगे की दिल्ली और हरयाणा को खालिस्तान और हिंदुस्तान में से एक चुनने को कहा जाए तो आप किसके साथ जाना चाहेंगे?

कम से कम मैं तो खालिस्तान के साथ ना जाऊं| क्योंकि खालिस्तान इतना ही अच्छा होता तो 1966 में हरयाणा की जनता पंजाब से अलग ना होती |

दूसरी बात 84 के दंगे खालिस्तान की गलत मंशाओं का परिणाम था जिसकी कड़ी जुडी अमृतसर के स्वर्ण मन्दिर में छुपे तथाकथित (एक हिंदुस्तानी के लिए तो वो आतंकी ही कहे जायेंगे, खालिस्तानी भले उनको अपना खुदा माने) आतंकियों के कब्जे से मंदिर को खाली करवाने से|

कोई कितना ही भावुक हो मेरे दोस्तों परन्तु इसका कटु सत्य यह भी है कि अगर यह (Blue Star Operation) ना किया गया होता तो आज आप हिंदुस्तान में नहीं अपितु खालिस्तान में जी रहे होते और वैसे ही भेदभाव के साथ जिससे दुखी हो हरयाणा के लोगों ने 1966 में अलग हरयाणा माँगा था|

तो कहने का तात्पर्य यह है कि हर कोई भावनाओं में बहा जा रहा है इस चर्चा में कोई ये नहीं देख रहा कि इन दंगों की जड़ खालिस्तान की मांग में छुपी है| यहाँ यह भी बताता चलूँ कि स्वर्ण मन्दिर पर ब्लू स्टार ओप्रेसन से पहले बाकायदा 4-5 दौर की बात की गई थी, आतंकियों से मंदिर को खाली करवाने की, लेकिन उन्होंने एक नहीं सुनी|

और उस वक़्त सिखों के इरादे इतने बुलंद थे कि इंदिरा गाँधी ने यह ना किया होता तो आज शायद आप हिंदुस्तान में नहीं आपकी दिल्ली और हरयाणा समेत खालिस्तान में रह रहे होते|

और अब आगे की कड़ी जोड़ता हूँ Blue Star Operation ki इंदिरा गाँधी की हत्या से, जिसकी वजह से सिख दंगे हुए|
यहाँ साथ ही मैं यह भी कह दूं कि मैं ना तो कोंग्रेस या सज्जन कुमार का पक्ष या बचाव कर रहा हूँ, परन्तु जो मुद्दा हमारी चर्चा के लायक ही नहीं है, उस पर काहे की बहस| ठीक है जिसके साथ ज्यादती हुई उनको न्याय मिलना चाहिए, परन्तु आप इतने भावनाओ में बह के उन परिस्थितयों को मत भूलिए जो सिखों ने पैदा कर दी थी और जिसकी वजह से आज आप किस देश के नागरिक होते ये शायद आप भी नहीं जानते|

और एक और बात बता दूं ये सारा करा धराया था भाप्पे सिखों का (P.M. bhi Bhappa Sikh hai) पर दोनों तरफ लड़े मरे सिर्फ जाट चाहे वो हिन्दू जाट थे या सिख, सबसे ज्यादा इनका नुक्सान हुआ था| ये दिल्ली के भाप्पे सरदार इस मुद्दे को इतना इसलिए उछाल रहे हैं क्योंकि दिल्ली में सिख जाटों की संख्या कम है और भाप्पे सरदारों को जाट फूटी आँख नहीं भाते, इसलिए मेरे भाइयो मैं तो यही कहना चाहता हूँ कि जाट हिन्दू का हो या सिख का कौमिक दंगो का नुक्सान इन्ही को ज्यादा हुआ|

और सज्जन कुमार को इस केस में फंसाने की भी सुन लो यह सब शीला दीक्षित माता का करा धराया है वर्ना सज्जन कुमार दिल्ली का सी। एम् बना होता आज| यह मामला और कुछ भी नहीं सिवाय एक जाट को इन पचड़ों में डाल दिल्ली की कुर्सी और ताकत पर ब्राह्मण-भाप्पों का वर्चस्व कायम रखने के| और अगर वर्चस्व कायम ना हो इनका पिछले 15 सालों से तो बता दो|

 

[sanjeev1984]

obsession...

और सज्जन कुमार को इस केस में फंसाने की भी सुन लो यह सब शीला दीक्षित माता का करा धराया है वर्ना सज्जन कुमार दिल्ली का सी। एम् बना होता आज| यह मामला और कुछ भी नहीं सिवाय एक जाट को इन पचड़ों में डाल दिल्ली की कुर्सी और ताकत पर ब्राह्मण-भाप्पों का वर्चस्व कायम रखने के| और अगर वर्चस्व कायम ना हो इनका पिछले 15 सालों से तो बता दो|

 

[desijat]

Folks, give a rest to your political mindset and read why was Sajjan Kumar acquitted:


Giving the Congress politician the benefit of doubt, the judge, in his 129-page judgment, states “It is a matter of fact that ever since incidents of this case occurred and ever since initial reports were submitted to the local police….none of the complaints mentioned name or presence of Sajjan Kumar in any context. I do agree with the contentions and arguments of counsel Khan for accused Sajjan Kumar that even the affidavit sworn by Jagdish Kaur before Justice Nanawati Commission had evasively mentioned MP Sajjan Kumar…that MP Sajjan Kumar was leading the mob.”

Questioning the credibility of Kaur’s testimony, judge states, “It has been rightly argued by Defence counsel that if there was any doubt regarding involvement of Sajjan Kumar in these riots then doubt may not assume a basis of proof in the absence of acceptable and believable evidence proving his specific role. It is a matter of fact that Jagdish Kaur when submitted her affidavit before Justice Ranganath Commission, that affidavit did not mention Sajjan Kumar in any manner though other accused persons had been named. In all these facts and circumstances, testimony of Jagdish Kaur that she heard and saw Sajjan Kumar addressing a gathering with provocative and instigating utterances is not acceptable and believable and to that extent witness is not believable.” (The Justice Ranganath Mishra Commission was constituted in 1985)

Acquitting Kumar of charges, the judgment states, “Except a role of conspiracy or abetting no other act or role has been attributed to Sajjan Kumar by the prosecution. Accordingly, accused Sajjan Kumar deserving to be given a benefit of doubt is acquitted of the charge.”

Full article: http://www.firstpost.com/india/1984-anti-sikh-riots-why-sajjan-kumar-was-acquitted-744691.html

 

[malikdeepak1]

मैं सिर्फ़ उस सच का बचाव कर रहा हू जो आज कोर्ट मैं साबित हुआ है, अगर कल सुप्रीम कोर्ट सज्जन या जगदीश को दोषी करार करती है तो मैं उस सच का भी बचाव करूँगा, मेरा भरोसा मेरी न्याय प्रणाली पर है ना की उस लोगो पर जो राजनीति से बहक कर लोगो को न्यायपालिका से उपर उठ कर दोषी करार दे

Sajjan Kumar ko chhod de to thik.. Modi ko chhod de to galat.. :boxing: