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shashiverma said:
Who is to be held responsible for this situation and what is the solution one can think of? May be everyone should be given a right to take their own decision but before giving them that right........ one need to educated enough that they can go for a choice which is best for their family first and then for society as well.
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Shashi, you answer the question yourself. Education is certainly a way to empower the people so that they go for the right choice.
Thanks for sharing a very relevant incident. I am not sure about the exact biology behind it but isn't aborting a few week old womb considered a kill? Isn't there a time frame when the baby gets a heartbeat?
 
sumeetmalik said:
OMG! I just stumbled on this one. Good one Seema. You bring out some excellent points. Normally, to prove that I am smart, I would have tried to find loopholes in your argument. But I can't. Its a very strong argument that you are making here. Putting the power to choose in the hands of people obviously is the way to go. Govt. and NGOs role should only be limited to empower people to make the right decision instead of making it for them.
Of course, it has ethical repercussions.

On a personal note, your bias against NGOs and 'boys' is coming through:).
Take it easy girl.

Immensely enjoyed this post of yours.
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and i love this thin emotional threshold of yours...but then all creatos are supposed to be such good honest expressionists...now i got the key and never feel defeated when you outdo me becuase i know now that you intently act smart with me. lol
 
We the people have decided to defy the nature at all costs,be it the freedom of expression,desire to live the way one wants and practice any thing one wishes to but then if we all start doing that,there will be no order any where on this planet.Along with the law of land certain social norms are also equally important to be followed[even if one is not comfortable with ]in the larger interest of the society and its harmony.Unfortunately that is not happening and thus patience is running out and every norm set by certain wise people[and modified from time to time by other such people] are being defied and abused with impunity and if that be so,sufferers will be we[sometimes individually and most of the times by all]the dwellers of this planet.


In that light,when these sex determination machines were not introduced,the sex ratio was beautifully managed by the God almighty.No one can do a better job than that ever[with all the brains put together].Problem is that we do not bother about the dangers inherent in defying the nature.God knows too well that each man needs a woman and other way round and hence he kept that balance for millions of years without a flaw but very recently the mortals have taken charge and have told God to buzz off not realizing that he won't buzz off like that just to watch and endure the brutal assassination of his wonderful creation[he will still balance it in a manner deemed fit by him].........Killing of a girl child in the womb is not only criminal intimidation but a cruelty of highest order....In fact it is a treachery of highest order but GOD IS WATCHING..he won't allow the mortals to have a field day.I am sanguine that he is more concerned and focussed than we all floating aimlessly out here purely on his mercy.


GOD BLESS THE GIRL CHILD!
 
seemasindhu said:
every now and then i come across NGOs, govt, feminists and other civil bodies creating ruckus over sex determination tests...came across another bullshit article in mail today where some NGO wants a website selling sex identification kits to be blocked...

i am of opinion is that this is a stupid fashion...i have been against ban on sex determination since beginning. my point is it has more negative aspects than positive. first, they can stop the people aborting a female child; but can't coercion them to treat a girl at par with boy, so it's of no help...infact a bigger crime...it's better to kill one in womb than kill her everyday while alive.

secondly, it leads to population explosion, which is my biggest concern, people will keep having kids till they get boy. worst.

thirdly, say, i have a boy and now i wish to have a girl to make a complete family or have a girl and now wish to have a boy...not because i love boy but becuase i want a complete family to enjoy both the sexes...where's my freedom to fulfill by wish...

i hate bloody NGOs...i tell you they are all for wrong causes...
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As per my view I think you had thrown light on one of the very critical issues in our country. Even your points are valid. Be it either the foetus killing or harrasing a girl child womanhood is down casted in both ways. There is no escape from the reality that woman. So instead of banning sex determination tests its important to realize the folks about the importance of woman in the society and for the mankind. Even educating them about such issues wont solve the matter its totally upto the individual to change himself and think radically.....
 
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seemasindhu said:
i am of opinion is that this is a stupid fashion...i have been against ban on sex determination since beginning. my point is it has more negative aspects than positive.


Let me try to weigh negatives against the positives !!!


first, they can stop the people aborting a female child; but can't coercion them to treat a girl at par with boy, so it's of no help...infact a bigger crime...it's better to kill one in womb than kill her everyday while alive.


Can you please enlighten each of us on the measures that you taken to define the atrocities committed on the girls , what scale are you using ?
And do you have any proof of the statemet : " can't coercion them to treat a girl at par with boy, so it's of no help " ?
Because i see a "them" in this statement and for sure you give a damn to society and so a damn to everything related to it. So any refrence to the society is not applicable and hence in all terms your arguments is flawed ! :)


secondly, it leads to population explosion, which is my biggest concern, people will keep having kids till they get boy. worst.


Any statistical data dear to support your this hypothesis ! ( PS ( for all audience ) : No refrence to society can be taken as the support as she is of the opinion : " To hell with the society " ! :)


thirdly, say, i have a boy and now i wish to have a girl to make a complete family or have a girl and now wish to have a boy...not because i love boy but becuase i want a complete family to enjoy both the sexes...where's my freedom to fulfill by wish...

A genuine argument accepted with glee ! :)

i hate bloody NGOs ( Can you please state the usage of the word "Bloody " , was it genuinely required ? and does it really convey a lot ?

...i tell you they are all for wrong causes...
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seemasindhu said:
feeble, unsupported and stupid emotional thoughts...

Again your thoughts are not substantiated with any kind of argument , proof , evidence , so it is ingenuinely flawed !! :) Being judgemental and getting quickly to coclusions is one thing and getting it right is different alltogether.

to hell with society...first leran to think of individual freedom and well being...then society...


Sorry , i tried googling it out ( the word leran :confused: ) ( PS : Unless microsoft buy out Yahoo and put together some damn good search engine , google still rules ! ) , but i could not find it ! Please enlighten me on what do you mean be " leran" here ? :)

it sounds more like a bloody potty-mouthed politician who rob people of their personal pleasure in name of ****ing society which is nothing but a myth...

why don't people understand that nothing like society exists...if you believe, it's there, else it's not...


I truly understood that society does not exist and even if it does , to hell with it , that is why i am in a serious mess to understand your above arguments , being a mathematician , i dont accept things without proof , so it would be so kind of you if you can supply proofs , because the already put arguments do consider society , which simply does not exist and and/or helled !! :)

and tell me one thing...has crime against woman decreased after this ban of sex determination tests


I have no ideas , but may be you can enlighten us on this with proofs that dont consider society or hell it (society) if it exists !

one grave problem with bloody ignorant indians is that they don't wish to exist as individuals...leran to worship your individuality and your prerogatives...and we will be a properous country

I wish to exist as an individual , and i sincerely want to know what this leran means , it has really troubled me a lot !!
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seemasindhu said:
thanx a lot for this socio-emotional crap...made my day...pathetic things make great for humor...great comic piece i can write on scornfully...but don't wish to here and neither have time

I dearly wish you will have time enough to enlighten me on the above mentioned issues , would be so kind of you
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Let me try to understand Seema ji's view ! :)


Sincere regards,
Anil
 
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I smell a lot of ganging up here. You and most of the others are picking up some of the words like 'bloody', 'society' etc. to attack here piece. What is this ruckus about 'leran'. We all know its a typo. So chill. It missed her fast typing otherwise she can put all of us to shame with her vocab. And I can say with 99.99 percent confidence level( Since you are a mathematician!).
Also you don't have to agree with her. You don't expect Seema to sample the society with some unbiased questions, apply hypothesis testing and extrapolate that data to make a point to you.

I want to write more but I wont until I know more about what's going on here (also because I do have better things to do in life). And I am sorry to have picked on your post Anil, since there are others who have posted much lamer attacks on this thread.

anilsinghd said:
Let me try to understand Seema ji's view ! :)


Sincere regards,
Anil
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sumeetmalik said:
I smell a lot of ganging up here. You and most of the others are picking up some of the words like 'bloody', 'society' etc. to attack here piece. What is this ruckus about 'leran'. We all know its a typo. So chill. It missed her fast typing otherwise she can put all of us to shame with her vocab. And I can say with 99.99 percent confidence level( Since you are a mathematician!).
Also you don't have to agree with her. You don't expect Seema to sample the society with some unbiased questions, apply hypothesis testing and extrapolate that data to make a point to you.

I want to write more but I wont until I know more about what's going on here (also because I do have better things to do in life). And I am sorry to have picked on your post Anil, since there are others who have posted much lamer attacks on this thread.
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With all due regards to your smelling powers :) , i am not a part of any gang !! Trust me , i am not even a part of any club for that matter.

And if you would have been kind enough to read my whole text , i didnt pointed out a few words , and for sure i didnt take up responsibilities for others and as mentioned , i am also not part of any gang , so cant comment on others , My writing was as earnest as it can be , i really wanted to get Seema ji's point and i guess she herself would support that i am always a keen listener when it comes to discussions !

And for sure , i didnt try to compare anything with her "VOCAB" !!! I would not be ashamed by her vocab , but instead again would be a keen listener and would get inspiration from her .

Regarding your point of agreement , well i didnt disagree with her either , i am not one to jump to conclusions , i just asked her for clarifications , i didnt get it first time and may be i missed some of her points , thats it !!! I believe this is not bad , asking people to substantiate their point.
And for sure , this is in true sense of the discussion being on a social forum ( which i might hell if Seema ji can convince me , and you should get my point , it is such a vital thing for me , it can totally change my attitude , my thinking , becaue i believe in society and may be some golden things from Seema ji can change my mind to "hell" the society. I am being totally earnest and polite , I sincerely wish to learn. )

Regarding my expectations , well i am a very humble person , no big expectations , even a single No Comments from her would be sufficient for me to not take up the point , I only replied in the sense of the discussions, Else i am listening with all my sincerity ) !

And dear , i really didnt asked her to turn to statistics , i just wished her to prove her points , substantiate them a little more.

Last point , i do not mind at all when somebody picks up my post , but the intent should be for a healthy discussion. And just a little point to you : And i am sure , you would tend to agree with me , We all have things in life to do and we do things which are better , infact best ( or at least that should be our aim :) ) , so i really believe , the mention of yours was really not required. ( Even i came to jatland , after finishing all my work , chatting etc etc ... but i never mention such things , its not any fun or informatice to state the obvious ! Or is it ? ) !

I leave it to you to investigate whatever you wish , but just to reaffirm , i am one to sincerely discuss , nothing else. And even this intent of mine is not appreciable for anyone , I sincerely apologize.:)

Regards,
Anil
 
anilsinghd said:
With all due regards to your smelling powers :) , i am not a part of any gang !! Trust me , i am not even a part of any club for that matter.

And if you would have been kind enough to read my whole text , i didnt pointed out a few words , and for sure i didnt take up responsibilities for others and as mentioned , i am also not part of any gang , so cant comment on others , My writing was as earnest as it can be , i really wanted to get Seema ji's point and i guess she herself would support that i am always a keen listener when it comes to discussions !

And for sure , i didnt try to compare anything with her "VOCAB" !!! I would not be ashamed by her vocab , but instead again would be a keen listener and would get inspiration from her .

Regarding your point of agreement , well i didnt disagree with her either , i am not one to jump to conclusions , i just asked her for clarifications , i didnt get it first time and may be i missed some of her points , thats it !!! I believe this is not bad , asking people to substantiate their point.
And for sure , this is in true sense of the discussion being on a social forum ( which i might hell if Seema ji can convince me , and you should get my point , it is such a vital thing for me , it can totally change my attitude , my thinking , becaue i believe in society and may be some golden things from Seema ji can change my mind to "hell" the society. I am being totally earnest and polite , I sincerely wish to learn. )

Regarding my expectations , well i am a very humble person , no big expectations , even a single No Comments from her would be sufficient for me to not take up the point , I only replied in the sense of the discussions, Else i am listening with all my sincerity ) !

And dear , i really didnt asked her to turn to statistics , i just wished her to prove her points , substantiate them a little more.

Last point , i do not mind at all when somebody picks up my post , but the intent should be for a healthy discussion. And just a little point to you : And i am sure , you would tend to agree with me , We all have things in life to do and we do things which are better , infact best ( or at least that should be our aim :) ) , so i really believe , the mention of yours was really not required. ( Even i came to jatland , after finishing all my work , chatting etc etc ... but i never mention such things , its not any fun or informatice to state the obvious ! Or is it ? ) !

I leave it to you to investigate whatever you wish , but just to reaffirm , i am one to sincerely discuss , nothing else. And even this intent of mine is not appreciable for anyone , I sincerely apologize.:)

Regards,
Anil
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Cool, it could have been a false alarm.
 
It happens only on JL :D Again one more thread become missguided missile!:p


Well, I admire ur views seema but its very much impractical in India's context specially point no#3 ... If you give freedom to ppl to practice sex-identification, am dead sure India will run outta Females!! :rolleyes:

Indian society is one of the biggest hypocrite & male dominated, so ur view point not gonna work here at all.

One more thing, had you been lil cool n easy here in choosing Words...this thread wud have not been misguided!! A friendly thought!! :):)


Rock on
Jit
seemasindhu said:
every now and then i come across NGOs, govt, feminists and other civil bodies creating ruckus over sex determination tests...came across another bullshit article in mail today where some NGO wants a website selling sex identification kits to be blocked...

i am of opinion is that this is a stupid fashion...i have been against ban on sex determination since beginning. my point is it has more negative aspects than positive. first, they can stop the people aborting a female child; but can't coercion them to treat a girl at par with boy, so it's of no help...infact a bigger crime...it's better to kill one in womb than kill her everyday while alive.

secondly, it leads to population explosion, which is my biggest concern, people will keep having kids till they get boy. worst.

thirdly, say, i have a boy and now i wish to have a girl to make a complete family or have a girl and now wish to have a boy...not because i love boy but becuase i want a complete family to enjoy both the sexes...where's my freedom to fulfill by wish...

i hate bloody NGOs...i tell you they are all for wrong causes...
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seemasindhu said:
thirdly, say, i have a boy and now i wish to have a girl to make a complete family or have a girl and now wish to have a boy...not because i love boy but becuase i want a complete family to enjoy both the sexes...where's my freedom to fulfill by wish...
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Rightly said jeet...

The third point is worth considering. But in indian context I would say the law should be...say if you already have a girl then the family should be given a right to make a choice for the second child. And that should be left for the family to decide whether they feel the need to practice their right or not.
As far as the statement .... i have a boy and now i wish to have a girl to make a complete family.....is concerned....I just wish ..people do have such a wish....
 
anilsinghd said:
Let me try to understand Seema ji's view ! :)


Sincere regards,
Anil
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well buddy you always fumble comprehending my stuff...never mind...

but i understand this elaborate signature of yours very well and enjoy it immensely, i missed the earlier IIT hardselling signature though:

Anil Singh Dalal

Financial Engineer ,
PIMCO Europe Limited.
Nymphenburger Str 112-116
Munchen 80636


and the nit pickings were perfect KIDULT stuff...i know it feels so good doing something like this for the kid inside
 
Let them do sex determination and kill girl fetuses........ they are sick.
Such idiots will phase out of the genetic pool.
They should not have any children in the first place.... the boys they sire will grow up to rape the few women available. Then the women's relative will shoot them dead....it will even out in the end........ I have no hope for such people....its all entertainment.
 
seemasindhu said:
well buddy you always fumble comprehending my stuff...never mind...

but i understand this elaborate signature of yours very well and enjoy it immensely, i missed the earlier IIT hardselling signature though:

Anil Singh Dalal

Financial Engineer ,
PIMCO Europe Limited.
Nymphenburger Str 112-116
Munchen 80636


I dont get what are you intending to say ? Please elaborate ! Again a fumble , but i will sincerely apprecaite a simpler explanation :)

and the nit pickings were perfect KIDULT stuff...i know it feels so good doing something like this for the kid inside


My vocab is not as good as yours ( although i am not ashamed of it ) , but i used my favourite google to digg out a few meanings ,

nit-picking is : minute and usually unjustified criticism !

As i mentioned earlier , i am not one to jump to conclusions , and i reiterate that. I didnt criticised you , i just asked for a few explanations and substantiation. I guess with all your great vocab , you could have tried to pick out a different word , if you wished to convey something to me.


Coming to the kidult one , well i believe human behaviour is one of the most complicated areas ( at least to me ) , i dont try to judge people , or comment on people , but it seems you are very well learned in that.
Again an area where you can help me with your thought out comments.
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Well seema ji , i would have rather appreciated if you would have concentrated on the topic rather than on me to comment on.
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seemasindhu said:
every now and then i come across NGOs, govt, feminists and other civil bodies creating ruckus over sex determination tests...came across another bullshit article in mail today where some NGO wants a website selling sex identification kits to be blocked...

i am of opinion is that this is a stupid fashion...i have been against ban on sex determination since beginning. my point is it has more negative aspects than positive. first, they can stop the people aborting a female child; but can't coercion them to treat a girl at par with boy, so it's of no help...infact a bigger crime...it's better to kill one in womb than kill her everyday while alive.

secondly, it leads to population explosion, which is my biggest concern, people will keep having kids till they get boy. worst.

thirdly, say, i have a boy and now i wish to have a girl to make a complete family or have a girl and now wish to have a boy...not because i love boy but becuase i want a complete family to enjoy both the sexes...where's my freedom to fulfill by wish...


i hate bloody NGOs...i tell you they are all for wrong causes...
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In multidimensional dog-eat-dog world, I stride to gain more skills rather than being wishy-washy about situations being easy.

PS:-When a child has a bad day in school, in frustation, he/she will yell at world n make a mess.
 
Seema you started a good thread on a very important topic and must say presented your views pretty well. However one of the reasons this thread went from being a healthy discussion to a personal conflict of sorts is the way you chose to respond to other's post. Calling other posters point of view 'socio-economic' crap and just dismissing everyone that differs from your point of view is not going to generate healthy discussion. I think if you choose to respectfully disagree with other's post rather than using abrasive language it might serve you better. After all the whole point is to discuss topics and absorb other's views rather than be hard headed and refuse to consider alternative views.
 
amitchhikara said:
Seema you started a good thread on a very important topic and must say presented your views pretty well. However one of the reasons this thread went from being a healthy discussion to a personal conflict of sorts is the way you chose to respond to other's post. Calling other posters point of view 'socio-economic' crap and just dismissing everyone that differs from your point of view is not going to generate healthy discussion. I think if you choose to respectfully disagree with other's post rather than using abrasive language it might serve you better. After all the whole point is to discuss topics and absorb other's views rather than be hard headed and refuse to consider alternative views.
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amit if you have read my other threads and post, you will realise that i myself don't indulge in you-bark-i-bark-back kinda stuff. but i admit that i have been rude towards this girl shweta ineppropriately, reason being, i have a robust malice towards hypocrites. she played a dirty game with few people some time back, and then if she talks of society, emotions, respect...i just can't stand that...there should be some harmony between deeds and thoughts...she shall learn her chapter and moreover if she respects me calling "seema ji", she shall not mind it at all...

rest you know, won't be fair to talk here...i stand my misdemeanor
 
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