Taboo Topic: Same sex relationships in Jats.

i believe indians should face up to the Reality however controversial it is. Then the public have the power to steer it into the right direction.

The more its pushed under the carpet will just give it underground air to breathe. The Bollywood bhaman bhania media will in future use it as a way to corrode ancient civilisations. before they take up the opportunity as Western media has its better we deal with it.
 
I think there is no harm in discussing any thing under the sun, which is also in consonance with the JL policy. Unless we have a debate on any topic, how will it be established whether it is good or bad for society. Instead of pushing the dirt under the carpet, one must try to have it removed altogether. I, think, the problem under discussion is a sick reality and it would be imprudent to assume that the modern Jat society can be inoculated against this by not discussing. Majority of us on JL (assuming there could be some adolescents also), are aware of this evil. Media has been carrying news of same-sex marriages in some countries. So, we must spread awareness against this unnatural and shameful practice which is spreading like a wildfire in some societies in the name of modernity.
 
Jats in Pakistan have lost their identity. jats in indian Punjab have had their Spiritual heritage transplanted by british into Protestant Colonial SGPC package.

Jats to the East are yet untouched. It is highly important we take care to nurture our ancient values. Do not be swayed by INC or the BJP. Jats need to gaurd their own heritage and way of life.

but in such a way where the upcoming Youth are not forced but out of their heart love what our ancestors gave lived and died for.
 
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singhvp said:
Urmila Ji, if it is not a body part then what it is after all? What historical significance does this unique figure have, warranting its idolization. Can you throw some light on the genesis of this worshiping. I do not see any scientific reasoning in blindly maintaining certain traditions of idol worship.
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You need to read Shiv puran to understand the meaning of Lingam. This is not the thread to discuss this but certainly its meaning is much deeper than what you think. You dont need /have to follow this. But for those who do follow, perhaps, there are enough reason and not every belief and practise of humans is guided by science.
 
VirJ said:
You need to read Shiv puran to understand the meaning of Lingam. This is not the thread to discuss this but certainly its meaning is much deeper than what you think. You dont need /have to follow this. But for those who do follow, perhaps, there are enough reason and not every belief and practise of humans is guided by science.
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When was shiv Puranas written and by whom? (Since you are recommending reading it).

Perhaps you are not aware of the texts on Shiva older than what you mention. The text you recommend are based on these older texts on Shiva.
 
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urmiladuhan said:
When was shiv Puranas written and by whom? (Since you are recommending reading it).

Perhaps you are not aware of the texts on Shiva older than what you mention. The text you recommend are based on these older texts on Shiva.
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OK If you knew why ask? By the way I didnt recommend anything to you.

I may not know lot of things and the beauty of meaningful debates is that you learn something everything every day. I just suggested that if someone is really interested in Lingum Shiv Puran can guide. If you have more books to share why not mention them for reader's benifit rather than picking up on my knowledge.
 
VirJ, please do not take offence as no dis respect of any kind was intended on my part. I find your posts very meaningful and useful. Kindly do not de bar me from them :)

Kind regards,

Urmila.



VirJ said:
OK If you knew why ask? By the way I didnt recommend anything to you.

I may not know lot of things and the beauty of meaningful debates is that you learn something everything every day. I just suggested that if someone is really interested in Lingum Shiv Puran can guide. If you have more books to share why not mention them for reader's benifit rather than picking up on my knowledge.
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I could not believe it that we have such Controversial Thread on JL . Gosh we are good .

Sharing my opinion - Personal Choice .....do whatever one feels .

Feel free to call me hypocrite......just the thought of some loved one of mine go that way ......Would tear my Heart away .....I would die Xilliion times every moment .
 
I would say that we as a society should stand by the homosexuality as this might help us to fight against some considerable facts such as- safety of women for up to some extent, control on reproduction since gay men obviously cannot produce offspring of their own, and lesbians do require a male donor, they are beneficial to society by not producing more children to an already overpopulated world, an exultant, peaceful world with their own love ones and there will not be any war in b/w Indo-Pak-)

Pls excuse me if I would've hurt anyone’s emotions, sensibility, and individuality!

Do whatever you feel right for yourself as we are no one to stop!
 
In the name of rights and freedom people are forgetting nature's law or what say natures course. Nature follows the best evolution in which human was developed in to male and female and gave this species power to continue the race.

Homsexuality gave us the most deadly virus HIV that make u fall pray to evry disease,even a common cold will kill u. Can u name any disease that developed because of intercourse between man and women.No because it has got nature approval.
Nature gave human species best adaptation that is required. Appendix,wisom teeth, hairs are found absent in many humans and will be copletely absent in futur human because it is not required for human needs now. Homosexuality is practiced from centurie but nature has not changed anything in human for its need. This is the best way to undersand human mistake.
As I said in my previous post homosexuality developed because of peoples own interest that not necessarily be right. If u call homosexuality a right of individual,then I will demand Evrything whether right or wrong as individual's right. Then what's law for.

People supporting homosexuality are not looking its future effect on human race.I'm my opinion I see homosexuality among the factors that will carry human species to extinction

Homosexuality is inhuman and unnatural. These kind of individual interests should be strongly discouraged.
 
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drkarminder said:
Homsexuality gave us the most deadly virus HIV that make u fall pray to evry disease,even a common cold will kill u..
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Your personal views about homosexuality aside, being a medical profesional, you should be more aware about the origins of the HIV virus. The virus came from apes into humans in the early 20th century. It was noticed first among gay men and drug users and hence the misconception about its origins.

Do read the following scholarly article.

Origins of HIV and the AIDS Pandemic
 
VirJ said:
You need to read Shiv puran to understand the meaning of Lingam. This is not the thread to discuss this but certainly its meaning is much deeper than what you think. You dont need /have to follow this. But for those who do follow, perhaps, there are enough reason and not every belief and practise of humans is guided by science.
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Respected Sir,

I have always been your humble student and will continue to be so. Time permitting, would like to have a cursory glance at the book recommended by you. But, I do not know why I have an inkling that it would be a sheer waste of time. I have a rough idea of this mythological epic. In my assessment, it is a bunch of lies and make-believe stories constructed by the idle Brahmins. But sir, with due regard to you, still I would go by your advice.


Warm regards
 
singhvp said:
Respected Sir,

I have always been your humble student and will continue to be so. Time permitting, would like to have a cursory glance at the book recommended by you. But, I do not know why I have an inkling that it would be a sheer waste of time. I have a rough idea of this mythological epic. In my assessment, it is a bunch of lies and make-believe stories constructed by the idle Brahmins. But sir, with due regard to you, still I would go by your advice.


Warm regards
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Tau,

If you are my student then I am bit disappointed with you. I told you above that if you want to understand lingum you can refer to that book. However as usual if your intention is to make fun of Lingam then it's a different story.

Whether Shiv puran, Bible, Kuran are bunch of lies or not, I don't know but there are enough people who believe in them. Your assessment could be wrong as well Tau.
 
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VirJ said:
Tau,

If you are my student then I am bit disappointed with you. I told you above that if you want to understand lingum you can refer to that book. However as usual if your intention is to make fun of Lingam then it's a different story.

Whether Shiv puran, Bible, Kuran are bunch of lies or not, I don't know but there are enough people who believe in them. Your assessment could be wrong as well Tau.
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Sir,

My apologies for disappointing you. Sir, I feel highly enlightened by the floodlight of the divine knowledge of your Exalted Highness.

लेकिन सर, कहावत है, "पंचों की राय सर माथे पर परनाला वहीँ गिरेगा" . Unless you are able to give any concrete and scientific evidence of the veracity of this 'Holy Book', I am constrained not to believe it.

With highest ever regards

Your student
 
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urmiladuhan said:
virj, please do not take offence as no dis respect of any kind was intended on my part. I find your posts very meaningful and useful. Kindly do not de bar me from them :)

kind regards,

urmila.
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जी बिल्क़ुल सही कहया आपने, गुरु जी की सारी पोस्ट ज्ञान तैं न्यू लदी पड़ी सैं ज्युकर नवम्बर के महीने में अमरुद का पेड़ फलां तै लद ज्याया करै i
 
singhvp said:
Sir,

My apologies for disappointing you. Sir, I feel highly enlightened by the floodlight of the divine knowledge of your Exalted Highness.

लेकिन सर, कहावत है, "पंचों की राय सर माथे पर परनाला वहीँ गिरेगा" . Unless you are able to give any concrete and scientific evidence of the veracity of this 'Holy Book', I am constrained not to believe it.

With highest ever regards

Your student
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Tau Ji (with all Due Respect), you asked Urmila Ji “Urmila Ji, if it is not a body part then what it is after all?”

I interpreted it as your quest of knowing what is it which they worship a body part or something else. Tau Ji it represent Eternal World, “Light”, “Origin of Life”.

Its meaning is much deeper and Shiv Puran can guide you if you are really interested. I myself is not an expert on this. It is same as if someone wants to understand the meaning of ‘cross’ they should refer to Bible to understand what this symbol mean and for someone wanted to understand why Muslim wear loose clothes and Burka, Kuran can provide the answer.

Now Whether Shiv Puran is true or not or for that matter whether Shiv existed or not is all together a different question. But to understand why Shiv Lingam is worshipped and what does it symbolize we need to understand more about Shiv Shankar.

The thread is not meant to discuss this but can happily discuss with you or anyone else in the relevant thread.
 
drkarminder said:
In the name of rights and freedom people are forgetting nature's law or what say natures course. Nature follows the best evolution in which human was developed in to male and female and gave this species power to continue the race.

Homsexuality gave us the most deadly virus HIV that make u fall pray to evry disease,even a common cold will kill u. Can u name any disease that developed because of intercourse between man and women.No because it has got nature approval.
Nature gave human species best adaptation that is required. Appendix,wisom teeth, hairs are found absent in many humans and will be copletely absent in futur human because it is not required for human needs now. Homosexuality is practiced from centurie but nature has not changed anything in human for its need. This is the best way to undersand human mistake.
As I said in my previous post homosexuality developed because of peoples own interest that not necessarily be right. If u call homosexuality a right of individual,then I will demand Evrything whether right or wrong as individual's right. Then what's law for.

People supporting homosexuality are not looking its future effect on human race.I'm my opinion I see homosexuality among the factors that will carry human species to extinction

Homosexuality is inhuman and unnatural. These kind of individual interests should be strongly discouraged.
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Good read !!
 
I know well that HIV came through rhesus monkey. I didn't discuss it as I am not talking about other species. First case reported in human was among homosexuals. Now HIV was well surviving in monkey species but who inocuated it in human species. It was homosexuality or better unnatural sex. The concern is the culprit in human not monkey.



Men who have sex with men (MSM) represent 2% of the U.S. population but more than 60% of new infections *and half of all Americans living with HIV. Rates of new HIV diagnoses among MSM in the United States are more than 44 times that of other men. Especially at risk are young MSM (ages 13-24 years), the only risk group where new infections are increasing, with a 22% increase in recent years. Young Black MSM are most affected accounting for 55% of new infections among YMSM overall.
 
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