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Naxal problem not an armed conflict, India tells UN

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UNITED NATIONS: India has strongly protested the inclusion of Naxal issue under the realm of an "armed conflict" in a UN report, saying the violence being perpetrated by these groups does not make it a zone of armed conflict as defined by international law.

Referring to the recent UN report that deals with 'Children and armed conflicts', India's envoy to UN Hardeep Singh Puri told Security Council that operations of the Maoist groups did not fall into the realm of an "armed conflict".

"At the outset I should make clear that the violence being perpetrated by these groups though completely abhorrent and condemnable, certainly does not make this a zone of armed conflict as defined by international law," he said.

"We, therefore, cannot accept reporting on these incidents as falling within the mandate of the Special Representative of the Secretary-General on Children and Armed Conflict," he said, referring to top UN official Radhika Coomaraswamy.

The report, which is produced by the office of Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and submitted to the Security Council, highlighted the recruitment and use of children by the Maoist armed group in some districts of the Chhattisgarh.

"The Naxals have admitted that children were used only as messengers and informers but have admitted that children were provided with training to use non-lethal and lethal weapons including landmines," the report said.

Coomaraswamy did not respond to PTI on India's specific objection but the UN diplomat spoke generally to reporters about the difficultly of defining an armed conflict.

"What is an armed conflict is contested," she said, adding that many countries who have been in this report claim that they are not in situations of armed conflict.

"What we determine is that there has to be a political dimension to it for an armed conflict," she said, adding the report made a disclaimer that this was not a "legal determination" of the situation being an armed conflict but countries were selected on the basis that it is a "political conflict with humanitarian consequences for children."

The report also pointed out that the Naxal's had carried out systematic attacks on schools in order to intentionally destroy government structures and to instill fear among the local community. Some schools remained closed or abandoned due to lack of security.

It also described the incident, in which Naxalites forced villagers to provide five boys and girls for their armed group in October 2009, and stated that the Jharkhand police had vacated 28 of 43 schools in Naxal-affected areas of the state and was in the process of vacating 13 more.

Speaking at an open-debate on children in armed conflict, Puri told the Security Council that New Delhi was taking measures to address the situation.

"We strongly condemn these despicable acts of Naxal violence and are fully committed to controlling such diabolical activities," he said.
 
A good initiative by UPA government to tackle naxalites.

Govt planning Rs 3400cr package for Naxal-hit districts

Pushing hard its development agenda to tackle the Naxalite menace, the UPA government is working out a package of around Rs 3,400 crore for upgrading the infrastructure in 34 districts worst affected by the Naxal violence.

Though the details of the scheme to improve the infrastructure are still being worked out, sources pointed out that the additional funds will be spent on augmenting the infrastructure -- roads, electricity and drinking water -- in the most backward blocks in the Naxal-hit districts.


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A good initiative by UPA government to tackle naxalites.

Govt planning Rs 3400cr package for Naxal-hit districts

Pushing hard its development agenda to tackle the Naxalite menace, the UPA government is working out a package of around Rs 3,400 crore for upgrading the infrastructure in 34 districts worst affected by the Naxal violence.

Though the details of the scheme to improve the infrastructure are still being worked out, sources pointed out that the additional funds will be spent on augmenting the infrastructure -- roads, electricity and drinking water -- in the most backward blocks in the Naxal-hit districts.


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If the infrastructure only means roads then this will only benefit the mining lobby and not tribals. The tribals first need freedom from slavery like situation, which is a governance issue and nothing to do with money. Education, hospital and other basic amenities can follow later.
 
If the infrastructure only means roads then this will only benefit the mining lobby and not tribals. The tribals first need freedom from slavery like situation, which is a governance issue and nothing to do with money. Education, hospital and other basic amenities can follow later.

There are lot of IF and But...I might say..A part of this 3400cr package will go into the pocket of corrupt bureaucrats or politicians..IF this money is invested properly, it would create thousands of jobs directly or indirectly...The improved infrastructure will help businesses to grow in those areas..The improved infrastructure will attract more private business into those areas.And that will help in creating more and more jobs for those people who are striving for bread and butter..In a democratic country, everyone has got freedom..Thats is why we are different from China...And you cannot neglect basic amenities like education, hospital etc .
 
There are lot of IF and But...I might say..A part of this 3400cr package will go into the pocket of corrupt bureaucrats or politicians..IF this money is invested properly, it would create thousands of jobs directly or indirectly...The improved infrastructure will help businesses to grow in those areas..The improved infrastructure will attract more private business into those areas.And that will help in creating more and more jobs for those people who are striving for bread and butter..In a democratic country, everyone has got freedom..Thats is why we are different from China...And you cannot neglect basic amenities like education, hospital etc .

British also spent lots of money for improving the infrastructure. Was it targeted for poverty elevation, people’s "bread and butter" and their freedom? You are just a generation old to have got the real experience. Probably your grand parent's will tell you.
 
British also spent lots of money for improving the infrastructure. Was it targeted for poverty elevation, people’s "bread and butter" and their freedom? You are just a generation old to have got the real experience. Probably your grand parent's will tell you.

Did they? Do you have any nos. for how much British spent? As a percentage of Indian GDP then and comparison with what they spent in Britain as a percentage of British GDP? Otherwise this "lots of money" argument is baseless.

And what is the freedom from slavery that you are proposing? Do you propose that an independent maoist nation be carved out in the tribal areas?
 
British also spent lots of money for improving the infrastructure. Was it targeted for poverty elevation, people’s "bread and butter" and their freedom? You are just a generation old to have got the real experience. Probably your grand parent's will tell you.

Ok. Lets assume British spent huge amount of money for improving infrastructure. What was their intention?Why would that be? Think about it.
 
So that they could move the minerals to the ports.

There are always pros and cons of every theory. The infrastructure created by the British viz. rail/road network, telecommunication apparatus and development of ports etc. helped India immensely to integrate itself into one nation. For want of these binding forces, we would have witnessed India divided in several princely States. Moreover, development is a continued process and in any given phase of time it has to take place whether during the colonial times or after independence. For the sake of argument, we may dismiss whatever developmental work done by the British but our own indigenous rulers were also blood-suckers. They also used to loot their subjects for leading a flamboyant life style and unnecessary pomp and pageantry.

Coming to the topic, do you think the Government should not construct the roads just because these are likely to be used by the mine mafia. Going by that argument, all the development works should be brought to a grinding halt as all the facilities may be used by the so-called bourgeoisie and the "anti-people" armed forces in that area. Under-development or no-development in the troubled areas will give a boost to a misguided insurgency only.
 
There are always pros and cons of every theory. The infrastructure created by the British viz. rail/road network, telecommunication apparatus and development of ports etc. helped India immensely to integrate itself into one nation. For want of these binding forces, we would have witnessed India divided in several princely States. Moreover, development is a continued process and in any given phase of time it has to take place whether during the colonial times or after independence. For the sake of argument, we may dismiss whatever developmental work done by the British but our own indigenous rulers were also blood-suckers. They also used to loot their subjects for leading a flamboyant life style and unnecessary pomp and pageantry.

Agree with you on the pro and cons. Some (not all) of the princely states were no better then British.

Coming to the topic, do you think the Government should not construct the roads just because these are likely to be used by the mine mafia. Going by that argument, all the development works should be brought to a grinding halt as all the facilities may be used by the so-called bourgeoisie and the "anti-people" armed forces in that area. Under-development or no-development in the troubled areas will give a boost to a misguided insurgency only.

The govement should first focus on the governance. Give the triables rights to their land and forest. Stop illegal minings. Make tribals a stakeholder in the forest resources, mines and dams. Ensure their fundamental rights re not voilated. Give more powers to the local bodies of the triables. There are lots of things that can be done without money also. What is needed is intent. Without the proper governance in place, the monetary package is just another trick to fool people and pocket most of the money.
 
Agree with you on the pro and cons. Some (not all) of the princely states were no better then British.



The govement should first focus on the governance. Give the triables rights to their land and forest. Stop illegal minings. Make tribals a stakeholder in the forest resources, mines and dams. Ensure their fundamental rights re not voilated. Give more powers to the local bodies of the triables. There are lots of things that can be done without money also. What is needed is intent. Without the proper governance in place, the monetary package is just another trick to fool people and pocket most of the money.

I agree with you to a great extent as far as giving the right to their land and forest, stopping of illegal mining, making tribals stake-holders in the forest resources, mines and giving more autonomy to local bodies etc. is concerned. A very valid suggestion in my opinion.
 
26 CRPF personnel killed in Maoists attack in Chhattisgarh

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ttack-in-Chhattisgarh/articleshow/6106846.cms

NEW DELHI: Three months after it lost 76 men in an ambush by Maoists, the CRPF suffered another massive loss in Bastar: 26 of its men were killed when the Maoists attacked a road opening party in Narayanpur district.

CRPF special DG Vijay Raman told the Times of India that 26 CRPF men have been confirmed dead and 5 injured. The casualties may be higher. "These are not final figures," Raman said.

The attack took place just three kilometres from a CRPF camp in Dhaudhai on a road leading to the densely forested Maoist-controlled Abhujhmad area.

The party of "about company strength with 70 personnel" was on its way back from clearing the road when the Maoists opened fire from a hilltop.

"We are in the process of evacuating our men. Some have been brought back. Others are being brought back to safety," said R K Dua, IG CRPF. He added that while two seriously injured men had been evacuated by helicopter, the air sortees had to be suspended as evening fell.

Brigadier B K Ponwar, who heads the Jungle Warfare College in Kanker said, "You have to be doubly secure when making the return journey along the same route. You need to secure all areas from where you can be fired upon."

Union home secretary G K Pillai said security and medical reinforcements have been sent to the spot and all the bodies have been recovered. The injured have been taken to a hospital by a helicopter, he said, PTI reported.

The troops were from the 39th battalion of the force and were a part of its 'E' and 'F' companies, CRPF chief Vikram Srivastava said.

On May 8, eight men of the paramilitary force were killed when naxals blew up a mine-proof vehicle also in Narayanpur district.
 
CRPF jawans easy prey like broiler chicken: Maoists

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...oiler-chicken-Maoists/articleshow/6112649.cms

NAGPUR: Tuesday's Maoist ambush in Narayanpur, Chhattisgarh, in which 27 CRPF personnel were killed, is yet another example of how the jawans are proving to be sitting ducks to the rebels who describe them 'broiler murga'. The mocking nomenclature is inspired by farm chicken that are transported in single vans in large numbers.

The CRPF jawans, who always venture out in groups for patrolling in the forests, are victims not just of guerrilla warfare, but also psychological warfare. The Naxals boasts of plans to eliminate entire patrolling CRPF squads. "Inko jhund mein pakdo, aur jhund me maro, (catch them in bunch and kill them all)," is what they tell their cadre.

On Wednesday, four more CRPF jawans were injured after a pressure bomb went off on the road between Cherpal and Gangaluru in Bijapur. Tuesday's attack in Narayanpur was no different from the one in Chintalnar in Dantewada or Pedakodepal in Bijapur, both in May. The entire squad — ambushed within 3km from the Dhaudai base camp — comprised around 69 jawans and their officers. The party was divided in two groups. While one had moved ahead, the other was following close behind and they were the ones to be ambushed.

The Naxals had set up a trap on the road. In their usual style, they encircled jawans and rained bullets from all sides, leaving security personnel with no room to escape. Sources said in less than an hour, the resistance of CRPF personnel was over. The party, which had advanced, was nowhere to conduct rescue. As in Chintalnar, where 76 jawans died, the entire party was rendered helpless when Naxals opened fire on them.

"The CRPF had been effective in tackling law and order situation in Kashmir. Countering the Naxals and their ploys are a different ball game all together," said a senior Chhattisgarh cop.
 
Apart from everything else suggested , we need to wipe out entire top Maoist leaders!!!!!

I agree with you to a great extent as far as giving the right to their land and forest, stopping of illegal mining, making tribals stake-holders in the forest resources, mines and giving more autonomy to local bodies etc. is concerned. A very valid suggestion in my opinion.
 
Apart from everything else suggested , we need to wipe out entire top Maoist leaders!!!!!

On the other front, the Moists should start wiping out the corrupt capitalists who are shipping out all the wealth and bleeding the Indian soil and the politicians who only come to power to sell India to the world. Almost the entire nation is a victim to these corrupt, selfish and greedy people labeled as top and powerful (even great leaders)by the disillusioned society.
 
Arvind, are they raising war against the state??? No...In fact if they are creating wealth for themselves , they are creating oppurtunities for us n creating wealth for the country......

Why are we electing these corrupt politicians?????

May be you are writing this due to your leftist ideology.....



On the other front, the Moists should start wiping out the corrupt capitalists who are shipping out all the wealth and bleeding the Indian soil and the politicians who only come to power to sell India to the world. Almost the entire nation is a victim to these corrupt, selfish and greedy people labeled as top and powerful (even great leaders)by the disillusioned society.
 
On the other front, the Moists should start wiping out the corrupt capitalists who are shipping out all the wealth and bleeding the Indian soil and the politicians who only come to power to sell India to the world. Almost the entire nation is a victim to these corrupt, selfish and greedy people labeled as top and powerful (even great leaders)by the disillusioned society.

Yeah, I agree. India was Jannat/heaven/powerful/uncorrupted/un-greedy before these capitalists took over. All that wealth deposited (!) in India made Adivasis/Dalits/now-Poors-but-not-always/farmers very very prosperous with unending lines of yachts (gaam ke johad mein) and jets (gaam ke chaurahe pe)!!



Indeed, what a disillusioned society!!
 
Yeah, I agree. India was Jannat/heaven/powerful/uncorrupted/un-greedy before these capitalists took over. All that wealth deposited (!) in India made Adivasis/Dalits/now-Poors-but-not-always/farmers very very prosperous with unending lines of yachts (gaam ke johad mein) and jets (gaam ke chaurahe pe)!!

Of course! Once the bourgeoise are overthrown by the proletriat, there would be utopia. That is how it has happened every single time in history of mankind. That is how it'd happen this time.

Little footnote in small print. There may be "small" changes necessary to "guide" the proletriat once Utopia is there. Like the change of rules in Orwell's Animal Farm post revolution. "All animals are equal" would be come "All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others".
 
Anti-Naxal ops: Govt planning redeployment of central forces

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ent-of-central-forces/articleshow/6116058.cms

NEW DELHI: In the wake of repeated attacks by Maoists on CRPF, the government is working out a plan for the redeployment of paramilitary forces engaged in anti-Naxal operations in states.

A plan is being worked out for reconfiguration, redeployment and strengthening of the paramilitary forces in Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa and West Bengal phasewise in consultation with the state governments.

"It has become necessary to review the deployment of forces and a suitable decision will be taken according to the operational requirement and developmental reasons," a home ministry official said.

However, no central forces deployed in a particular state will be moved out from that state.

According to the plan, which will be implemented first in Chhattisgarh where CRPF has faced maximum casualties in the recent past, the distances of troop posts will be reduced and in some cases the number of personnel will be increased while in other cases the posts will be relocated.

After Chhattisgarh, the plan will be implemented in Jharkhand, Orissa and West Bengal.

Home minister P Chidambaram had on Wednesday said that "relocation and reconfiguration" of paramilitary forces in Chhattisgarh may be required as some of them were not operationally viable.

"These deployments have been made in 2007 and 2008. So, I have asked the Chhattisgarh government to examine the deployments in 2010," he had said.
 
Arvind, are they raising war against the state???, No...
They already have control over the state and enjoying their exploit .. Why would they raise war against the state?
...In fact if they are creating wealth for themselves , they are creating oppurtunities for us n creating wealth for the country......
Nope. There are enough statistics available to show that over the years, in general, rich have become richer and poor have become poorer. When a child is born, he/she should have equal opportunities in the world. The rest of life's journey may dependent upon the path that one chooses. However, at the beginning, all should have the same starting point.

...they are creating oppurtunities for us n creating wealth for the country......
Nope, Most of this is black money and is either spent lavishly, (endangering the life on this plant) or stacked outside the country.

Why are we electing these corrupt politicians?????
...because of the illusions of the disillusioned society.

May be you are writing this due to your leftist ideology.....
May be, may be not. I don’t know. I do not even consider myself as an ideologist.

 
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