atul.jhajhria
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sunnysangwan said:
This cartoon relates to you and many others. You are like media in the cartoon.
Why I Donot Hate Islam!!
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This cartoon relates to you and many others. You are like media in the cartoon.
sunnysangwan
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Please dnt take things out of context
atul.jhajhria
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jagmohan said:
I am not asking to agree with me! But we can debate or are you reluctant to debate!
jagmohan said:
How do you know what i did when i was in India
. How many Indians will care to think about this!!jagmohan said:
Kaise baate karte hain ji, kya rah gaya hain bhugtne ke liye ab?? Last 500 years se muslims ko bhugat rahe hain, nahi ji!! Apka lagta hain mann nahi bhara ji!!
jagmohan said:
We will do within our capacity!!
Agar maar kaat jaldi ho jaye to mamla he nahi sudhar jaye!
But leaders like maulana mulayam wont let it happen!! They like to see Indians suffer!
So heartening to see man like Advani in political scene. He single handedly brought BJP to the party and awakened millions of youth to reality!
atul.jhajhria
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sunnysangwan said:
Tell me how i am taking things out of context!
Just saying it wont make my comment out of context!
If you did not understand, let me explain.
In cartoon media is acting blind to muslim atrocities and instead focussing on abuse in prison. Here media is politically correct but the ground reality is different.
Same way you can defend Islam, it will do no good to common man.
Bhaiyon, aur Whtever
First of all, Pls take this into account that, Jat are prevailing in muslim community too, e.g. Malik, Khokhar and such muslims are Jats who were forced to accept islam under some Mughal emporer, so in dusguise, you are cursing some jats too
secondly
Extreme of everything is bad, i agree most of the terrorists are muslims, but not all, Jatts in punjab are the ones who are fighting for khalistan, babbar singh khalsa was a jatt, so we should not be again journalising all jatts are terrorists.
Hence i conclude that all religions were true and also that all had some error in them, and whilst I hold by my own, I should hold others as dear as Hinduism. So we can only pray, if we are Hindus, not that a Christian should become a Hindu … But our innermost prayer should be a Hindu should be a better Hindu, a Muslim a better Muslim, a Christian a better Christian
First of all, Pls take this into account that, Jat are prevailing in muslim community too, e.g. Malik, Khokhar and such muslims are Jats who were forced to accept islam under some Mughal emporer, so in dusguise, you are cursing some jats too
secondly
Extreme of everything is bad, i agree most of the terrorists are muslims, but not all, Jatts in punjab are the ones who are fighting for khalistan, babbar singh khalsa was a jatt, so we should not be again journalising all jatts are terrorists.
Hence i conclude that all religions were true and also that all had some error in them, and whilst I hold by my own, I should hold others as dear as Hinduism. So we can only pray, if we are Hindus, not that a Christian should become a Hindu … But our innermost prayer should be a Hindu should be a better Hindu, a Muslim a better Muslim, a Christian a better Christian
Kamaal Hai, 'Chhore Jat Ke'.
Ye to vohi baat hui "Chit bhi meri, Pat Bhi Meri, Anta tere Baap Ka". Baat na manoo to problem, maan lo to problem.
May I ask you one simple question. What do you do with someone who fails to see reason?
As regards your comments about the older generation, I have nothing to say. May be you should ask the elders who are near you. If you are coming to Mumbai any time in the near future, I would surely like to debate with you on this very issue. I shall be in Sonepat/Meerut/Delhi from 10 May to about 04 Jun 2006. I shall contact you when I am around and check your availability. I will walk the extra mile to debate this topic with you. You have written certain things that need to be replied. In an open forum the issue would be sidetracked by unnecessary comments.
Please remember this.
Regards,
JS Malik
Ye to vohi baat hui "Chit bhi meri, Pat Bhi Meri, Anta tere Baap Ka". Baat na manoo to problem, maan lo to problem.
May I ask you one simple question. What do you do with someone who fails to see reason?
As regards your comments about the older generation, I have nothing to say. May be you should ask the elders who are near you. If you are coming to Mumbai any time in the near future, I would surely like to debate with you on this very issue. I shall be in Sonepat/Meerut/Delhi from 10 May to about 04 Jun 2006. I shall contact you when I am around and check your availability. I will walk the extra mile to debate this topic with you. You have written certain things that need to be replied. In an open forum the issue would be sidetracked by unnecessary comments.
Please remember this.
Regards,
JS Malik
rahulkharb
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jagmohan said:
Lo sir kaan pakad liye... m sorry .... i wuldnt like to discuss this topic any further.... my apologies if i've hurt ur feelings didnt mean it tht way.... i wuld luv to get ur views on this topic though.... coz most of the frnds i have here have same thoughts bout islam like i do... n i havent found anyone who think it otherwise... i wuld b interesting to discuss this topic with someone elder who knws bout all this more thn i do.
Interim Conclusion!!
Almost all of the 24 participants in this discussion have expressed their opinion on this issue whether hate for hate is the proper solution for the spirit of hatred that some Muslims have towards the other sects including Hindus for different reasons. Before we step on the next part as to if not hatred, how should this whole issue be handled I would like to sum up the stands taken so far by the worthy members. Different members have different reasons in support of the stand taken by them. So reasons need not be spelt out again. A list is given below of all those participated. Stand taken by a member has been indicated his/her name. Scope for errors & ommisions is not ruled out. So members may kindly go through and point out any deviation or mistake that may have crept in while straightening the loose ends of the thread. I will also request members not to post any comments now in support of how they stand. Only the wrong entries need to be pointed out. You may also simply say “ Yes, my stand has been correctly/incorrectly interpreted”. That will be enough, I think. If someone has not so far indicated his/her stand, he/she may do so anytime:
Here goes the list:
Sr.No Name of the Member Is Hate for Hate good for us?
(Shri/Smt/Kumari) or
Should we also Hate?
1. Rajendra Kumar Kalkhande No
2. Ravi Inder Chaudhary No
3. Ram Phal Deswal No
4. Ritu Dahiya No
5. Jit Takhar No
6. Dev Dahiya No
7. Vijay Singh No
8. Sampuran Singh No
9. Sandeep Rathee No
10. Sitaram Jakhar No
11. Amit Sansanwal No
12. Abhimanyu No
13. Pradeep Sangwan No
14. Poonam No
15. Pinks No
16. Jagmohan Singh Malik No
17. Kiran Takhar No
18. Vikas Chaudhary No
19. Vikas Rathee Yes
20. Rupendra Sheoran Yes
21. Atul Jhajharia Yes
22. Chora Jat Ka Yes
23. Sunita Hooda Undecided
24. Vinod Sangwan No
Almost all of the 24 participants in this discussion have expressed their opinion on this issue whether hate for hate is the proper solution for the spirit of hatred that some Muslims have towards the other sects including Hindus for different reasons. Before we step on the next part as to if not hatred, how should this whole issue be handled I would like to sum up the stands taken so far by the worthy members. Different members have different reasons in support of the stand taken by them. So reasons need not be spelt out again. A list is given below of all those participated. Stand taken by a member has been indicated his/her name. Scope for errors & ommisions is not ruled out. So members may kindly go through and point out any deviation or mistake that may have crept in while straightening the loose ends of the thread. I will also request members not to post any comments now in support of how they stand. Only the wrong entries need to be pointed out. You may also simply say “ Yes, my stand has been correctly/incorrectly interpreted”. That will be enough, I think. If someone has not so far indicated his/her stand, he/she may do so anytime:
Here goes the list:
Sr.No Name of the Member Is Hate for Hate good for us?
(Shri/Smt/Kumari) or
Should we also Hate?
1. Rajendra Kumar Kalkhande No
2. Ravi Inder Chaudhary No
3. Ram Phal Deswal No
4. Ritu Dahiya No
5. Jit Takhar No
6. Dev Dahiya No
7. Vijay Singh No
8. Sampuran Singh No
9. Sandeep Rathee No
10. Sitaram Jakhar No
11. Amit Sansanwal No
12. Abhimanyu No
13. Pradeep Sangwan No
14. Poonam No
15. Pinks No
16. Jagmohan Singh Malik No
17. Kiran Takhar No
18. Vikas Chaudhary No
19. Vikas Rathee Yes
20. Rupendra Sheoran Yes
21. Atul Jhajharia Yes
22. Chora Jat Ka Yes
23. Sunita Hooda Undecided
24. Vinod Sangwan No
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arunshamli
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deswal said:
Deshwal ji, I do not think I have written enough in this thread for anyone to make judgement about my stand on this topic.
And I think it is not ok to mentions someone name unless you have a direct conversion with someone.
fir bhee aapne list banai hai toh kuch soch samajhkar hee banai hogi....
No Arun Bhai, I do not claim to be a wise man. But anyway thanks for the regard you have for me.
But if you feel you have been misquoted please correct me. Or if you do not want to be quoted either way, you may say so. But no further explanation is warranted. It is precisely for this purpose that I have put the list. Just convey your stand.
Wish you all the best!!!
But if you feel you have been misquoted please correct me. Or if you do not want to be quoted either way, you may say so. But no further explanation is warranted. It is precisely for this purpose that I have put the list. Just convey your stand.
Wish you all the best!!!
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I will again like to make a humble request to the learned members to please confine their comments to simply
i) " yes, my stand has been correctly interpreted" or
ii) "No, I have been misunderstood. There be 'yes' or 'no' (as the case may be) against my name" or
iii) "Notwithstanding my comments posted earlier, I hate the Islam or the Muslims" or
iv) " Notwithstanding my comments posted earlier, I do not hate the Islam or the Muslims.
Thanks for your kind cooperation!!!
i) " yes, my stand has been correctly interpreted" or
ii) "No, I have been misunderstood. There be 'yes' or 'no' (as the case may be) against my name" or
iii) "Notwithstanding my comments posted earlier, I hate the Islam or the Muslims" or
iv) " Notwithstanding my comments posted earlier, I do not hate the Islam or the Muslims.
Thanks for your kind cooperation!!!
ravichaudhary
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deswal said:
Ok, hate for hate is not good, love for hate is also not good. So if you discern danger, the way to avoid it is to be prepared. If history teaches anything one would know there is always danger in proximity with Islam. This "Stockholm Syndrome" that most of hindus suffer from (or even cherish), this idea of always accepting whatever "karma" offers, this regression to idealized non-violence concept, this inability to see demographic equations and consequences, this denying of "clear and present danger" is NOT gonna get us far. Its not gonna get us very far. So don't hate those who hate you, just be calm and find practical solutions. I think older generation is more complacent, has less concern over 'startegic security' issues. More will get clear as time passes on but the main point is to wake up before its too late.
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rathee369 said:
arunshamli
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I should not be in the list.
vinodks said:
Vinod Bhai not true that older generation is more COMPLACENT.......on the contarary it is the new generation which is becoming increasingly intolerant and wants to settle scores at gun point.......MInd you there is no substitute for calm thoughts and affactionate feelings......Any solution to any and every thing will have to come throough peaceful means if it has to last......Your reference...ie...INABILITY TO SEE DEMOGRAPHIC...etc not withstanding.
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