Women to 'serve' Alcohol or NOT... (Ae Saaki)

[shailendra]

Bouncers...and some serious Security!

...What about having some hefty bouncers (like most bars/clubs etc. everywhere mostly do) to make sure the proceeding don't get too 'happy-go-lucky'???

I mean how difficult is it to provide a safe work environment for all employees as well as even the visiting patrons!?!
Isn't it a fact that the Discotheques in the Capital seem to work ok, where women have absolutely no proble frequenting them... (sure, we are talking about women 'patrons' here; who are usually escorted by male company...and hence 'protection', and not the servers/hosts) but then even when these places have their cases of the occasional brawls they are then immediately stamped out with the help of paid bouncers (and/or security- at least the good ones have a real security available!)!

Moving on; Second to the role of the establishment, is the role of the local governance itself... to provide the licenses to the right people, and then to ensure that the right kind of locations are earmarked for the opening of such establishments (with available law enforcement in the area) to make for a healthy, safe environment. I mean rather than making excuses of the law and order situation....the govt. too needs to be proactive and provide the right environment for it's citizens' to pursue the career they want......

In short...hell! Such kinda Men are not gonna change overnight! I guess one needs to instill the right amount of fear in them to be able to then 'handle their booz', as they say!!!

It is important that when one walks into an establishment, they immediately know by default that there could be some serious consequences for playing 'funny',...and so even if it means a 'forced' sorta respect; respect it is that they still need to dish out to their servers and other hosts!

 

[deepshi]

cmowwwwnn...

lets stop bickering--n nt sound as feminists--as seema sindhu has rightly struck it-jus stay 2getehr-v rock
u may contribute by joinin my community-Shun feminists
tehy r actualy self-loathing self-depreciating ladies hvin low self esteem
in fact my heart goes out 4 d lesser blessed sex(the males-obviously)..tch tch
giv them a breakkkkkkkkkk..

well, enuf f deviation frm d original topic-hehe. well, its right-its d society n surroundings dat mould ones personality. one strong n main reason y i left my 'Mother-India'
no issues-guys...chill!

 

[bhamboo]

well i think women can handle these type of situation....we cn assure there safety..tightnin d law...n implementin it well....

 

[ssindhu]

lets stop bickering--n nt sound as feminists--as seema sindhu has rightly struck it-jus stay 2getehr-v rock
u may contribute by joinin my community-Shun feminists
tehy r actualy self-loathing self-depreciating ladies hvin low self esteem
in fact my heart goes out 4 d lesser blessed sex(the males-obviously)..tch tch
giv them a breakkkkkkkkkk..

well, enuf f deviation frm d original topic-hehe. well, its right-its d society n surroundings dat mould ones personality. one strong n main reason y i left my 'Mother-India'
no issues-guys...chill!

lesser blessed sex...ha ha dahling u r dead right... of course they r lesser blessed, reason behind d biological imbalance. perhaphs thats y they r mor confused thn girls whn it cums 2 taking sum poignant decision, bt yes males r damn confident discussing who will win d toss in match 2dy?

PS: biological imbalance (girl: XX and boy: XY)

 

[ranvirsingh]

in fact my heart goes out 4 d lesser blessed sex(the males-obviously)..tch tch

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PS: biological imbalance (girl: XX and boy: XY)

Is this biological imbalance or NATURAL DOMINANCE of Y Chromosome. Did not you notice that despite being both X and Y chromosome present in the embryo, X is recessive and Y is dominant, its natural. The self proclaimed more blessed sex (at jatland) can only express itself when in herd, I mean XX. Avoid biological jouranalism if you donot know Biology.

As far wine serving by women is concerned, then every citizen should be treated equally and those politicians who intefere in that equality should be shown the door.

 

[devdahiya]

Is this biological imbalance or NATURAL DOMINANCE of Y Chromosome. Did not you notice that despite being both X and Y chromosome present in the embryo, X is recessive and Y is dominant, its natural. The self proclaimed more blessed sex (at jatland) can only express itself when in herd, I mean XX. Avoid biological jouranalism if you donot know Biology.

As far wine serving by women is concerned, then every citizen should be treated equally and those politicians who intefere in that equality should be shown the door.

GOTTA POINT THERE.....RANVIR BHAI............KHEENCH KE LE.

 

[ssindhu]

Is this biological imbalance or NATURAL DOMINANCE of Y Chromosome. Did not you notice that despite being both X and Y chromosome present in the embryo, X is recessive and Y is dominant, its natural. The self proclaimed more blessed sex (at jatland) can only express itself when in herd, I mean XX. Avoid biological jouranalism if you donot know Biology.

As far wine serving by women is concerned, then every citizen should be treated equally and those politicians who intefere in that equality should be shown the door.

ji Y is sex determinant only. dominence is a penomenon of genes and nt chromosomes. u meant 2 say all d boys r on dads only, just as u said Y is dominat? correct urself plzzzzzzzzzzz. and just 2 inform u bit mor, lemme tell u most inborn or genetic disorders r found in males (if mother is affected) only as Y is a weak chromosome and having only 1 X, chances r males will inherit diseases if X (from mom) is inflicted since X dominates Y; 2 cite sum examples as color blindness, anaemia etc.

i will avoid biological journalism if u cn help me there wid better information thn me. thank u ji

 

[ssindhu]

GOTTA POINT THERE.....RANVIR BHAI............KHEENCH KE LE.

kaka raldu aala kaam kar re ho...chadhawan ka...kilkiiiiiiiiii

 

[sidchhikara]

Men will learn

This looks like a law enforcement problem more than anything else. The government does not want to do its job and protect women if men misbehave with them - end of story!
I am sure our lazy politicians and police department babus came up with this idea - they donot want to take up the responsibility of protecting women.
I women are allowed to serve alcohol - I am sure men will misbehave - bars will have their own security to take care of this. If its somebody influential - then another Jessica Lall might happen - thats when we need the police - and that is what the government wants to avoid - they curtail citizens rights so that government does not have to work - lazy bas**rds - I love government and everything related to it!!

 

[sidchhikara]

Lets take it up a notch. We should not restrict this ban to the bar and restaurant business. Here are a few suggestions for workplace safety for women in general...

All women should wear Taliban style burqas to work......hold on! Maybe they should wear steel undergarments with locks.... so that the rapists cannot get to them....... I wonder what will happen if the rapist is also an expert locksmith and he is successful in picking the locks to these undergarments while the woman sits still for half an hour.

How about women disguise themselves as men - become sardars (a la bollywood style) - the country will be overrun by cute, effeminate sardarji's. All office get-togethers/parties will have a bhangra dance item.

Another solution is - all women should cut their hair short like men - they should look like Kiran Bedi - so that they donot attract male attention and the government should make all of them IPS officer.

Maybe half of these women could become Kiran Bedi's and the remaining half could be cute Sardarji's described above - they can then marry each other! and we can drop the steel underwear idea altogether. This is getting ridiculous by the second - I will stop now..

 

[poonam]

Reality bites...

Lets take it up a notch. We should not restrict this ban to the bar and restaurant business. Here are a few suggestions for workplace safety for women in general...

All women should wear Taliban style burqas to work......hold on! Maybe they should wear steel undergarments with locks.... so that the rapists cannot get to them....... I wonder what will happen if the rapist is also an expert locksmith and he is successful in picking the locks to these undergarments while the woman sits still for half an hour.

How about women disguise themselves as men - become sardars (a la bollywood style) - the country will be overrun by cute, effeminate sardarji's. All office get-togethers/parties will have a bhangra dance item.

Another solution is - all women should cut their hair short like men - they should look like Kiran Bedi - so that they donot attract male attention and the government should make all of them IPS officer.

Maybe half of these women could become Kiran Bedi's and the remaining half could be cute Sardarji's described above - they can then marry each other! and we can drop the steel underwear idea altogether. This is getting ridiculous by the second - I will stop now..

Heh heh.. thanks for stopping..cant imagine wot else you might have come up with then...hehe..

kuchh hone wala nahin hai wahan..aise hee whining chalti rahegi...and the way I preferred to leave that s**t and move to a comparatively better society for women, I'm sure others too are going to do the same provided they get a chance...sounds bitter but true...

I know I know.. people would be coming now with raised eyebrows ...and preaching the same ol' empty "bhashan"..( reminds me of RDB ..) hum se hee to desh hai hum nahin karenge to kaun karegaa...Well, now this is personal decision, women or men, how they wanna change/improve their respective home country. I can speak for myself and I figured what I'm doing is the best way to help/change/bring recognition to my home country even if I'm physically not there per wo kehte hai naa "phir bhi dil hai hindustani". and I love my home country as much as anyone else.

As Sid pointed out. Government se to kuchh hone wala hai nahin, naa kabhi hua hai aur naa kabhi hoga. Legal system main itne loopholes hai ki kisika kuchh bigad hee nahin sakta wahan.. (deserves applause for few exceptions though ....Sanjay Dutt fiasco for instance..but hardly changes anything..)

Lil' extrapolation of the basic question discussed in the thread but the crux is: I know if I had stayed there I might have not contributed as much as I can contribute from here (reasons are multiple including the one discussed in this thread...equality/respect for women in our society..). When the capital itself is not safe there for a girl to work leave alone the bartender/serving alcohol job (you might have heard about the rape case in Delhi lately ..around 9 in the night..)I mean c'mon..thats not just one incident...it keeps happening and we have learned to live with that I guess. Sarkaar se kuchh hoga nahin , aam aadmi kuchh kar nahin sakta....Vicious circle is going to go on...well again one of the major reasons for brain drain..who wants to stay there, waste talent in changing the system... and girls/women working the entire day with no certainty of reaching home safe..God forbid, if something happens, you cant even trust the police there, the whole thing is so scary and one of the reasons for female foeticide. As parents, people are not comfortable and they have to be extra protective with the daughters as oppose to sons.
And let me add, ye sab kehne ke batein hai, if given a chance anyone would readily agree to leave and move out and why not?!!

Excuse the "off topic" blabbering... but acutally if you pay heed its all kinda connected...

 

[sidchhikara]

Poonam.. don't get disheartened.... all we need is some REAL MEN to protect women as this attached Delhi Police advertisement shows.

The Ad agency that did this ad. for Delhi Police must have employed only REAL MEN for this job. Can you imagine these real men in a conference room sipping on the steroid and protein shake watching Dharmendra movies in which he bit*h slaps Gulshan Grover to unconsciousness after Gulshan made the fatal mistake of eve-teasing Dharmendra's sister.
Cannibalistic Dharmendra: Kamine mein tera lahoo pi jaonga.

 

[amitchhikara]

I personally thought that it was a positive step to try and upturn that ancient law...but the fact that it is now running into heavy weather means exactly like you said; "we have a long way to go as a society!"....The problem is that why Delhi??? I mean Mumbai, Pune, Bangalore etc. etc. seem to be coping with such issues ok....then why the capital is still under such a rut?
Does this call for an entirely new discussion about the society in general in the North regions as versus the rest???.... Who knows....

Well Bombay and Bangalore are much more global in their culture than Delhi. Those cities have a mixture of people from all over the country and in some cases from all over the world. The culture and atmosphere in Delhi are much more traditional and the majority of the population is still that of local folks as compared to those cities.
I would say that the northern part of the country is still getting used to interacting with working women and keeping our behavior to a professional level. One reason is that the capital region is much newer to working women and the whole bar/pub scene as compared to Bombay and Banglore. There is no harm in flirting with a female bartender or a co-worker because where else would you meet women other than daily life ventures? However I do feel that the male population in Delhi is still learning how to repect the right of those women to say 'No' to their advances without hurting their egos and the so called male pride. The day this adjustment is made we will see more women feeling they can bartend or do similar jobs without feeling insecure.

 

[ranvirsingh]

ji Y is sex determinant only. dominence is a penomenon of genes and nt chromosomes. u meant 2 say all d boys r on dads only, just as u said Y is dominat? correct urself plzzzzzzzzzzz. and just 2 inform u bit mor, lemme tell u most inborn or genetic disorders r found in males (if mother is affected) only as Y is a weak chromosome and having only 1 X, chances r males will inherit diseases if X (from mom) is inflicted since X dominates Y; 2 cite sum examples as color blindness, anaemia etc.

i will avoid biological journalism if u cn help me there wid better information thn me. thank u ji

I told you earlier too, if you donot know biology avoid BIOLOGICAL JOURNALISM. period



To learn Mendalian inheritance and genetics, your google search cannot help, it needs few years of hard work.

Do you know the structure of chromosomes? Do you know where the genes are located? Correct yourself by little more google search.


And if I go by your language, leaving behind genetics, then you accept that most problems are caused by X chromosome and thats why you call it strong because its not stable in its function. And I told you earlier too, 'The self proclaimed more blessed sex (at jatland) can only express itself when in herd, I mean XX.' You accepted that but failed to understand my simple language.

lemme tell u most inborn or genetic disorders r found in males (if mother is affected) only as Y is a weak chromosome and having only 1 X, chances r males will inherit diseases if X (from mom) is inflicted since X dominates Y; 2 cite sum examples as color blindness, anaemia etc.

I told you, avoid to be a Biological Journalist if you donot know Biology. Your example and explanation proove me right. X caanot dominate Y, but yes, X sometime cannot do the assigned job.


And well what you mean by "if mother is affected" ? Elaborate it.

 

[ssindhu]

I told you earlier too, if you donot know biology avoid BIOLOGICAL JOURNALISM. period



To learn Mendalian inheritance and genetics, your google search cannot help, it needs few years of hard work.

Do you know the structure of chromosomes? Do you know where the genes are located? Correct yourself by little more google search.


And if I go by your language, leaving behind genetics, then you accept that most problems are caused by X chromosome and thats why you call it strong because its not stable in its function. And I told you earlier too, 'The self proclaimed more blessed sex (at jatland) can only express itself when in herd, I mean XX.' You accepted that but failed to understand my simple language.



I told you, avoid to be a Biological Journalist if you donot know Biology. Your example and explanation proove me right. X caanot dominate Y, but yes, X sometime cannot do the assigned job.


And well what you mean by "if mother is affected" ? Elaborate it.

i will ceasefire wid u 4 a life-long period wid just 1 phrase "u cn wake a fellow sleeping bt cant wake one sleeping in wake"

 

[devdahiya]

Ye kitt-2 pyawein sein....battaiyo ek bei....mei bhi ek pauwwa maar kauun aaj saanjh ke.

 

[ranvirsingh]

i will ceasefire wid u 4 a life-long period wid just 1 phrase "u cn wake a fellow sleeping bt cant wake one sleeping in wake"

To kya esse pahle aap ladai kar rahi thi. Hehhee
Ae patarkar naraj mat ho. Take it easy and in light mood, better if we spend the same energy in more constructive work.

 

[poonam]

Poonam.. don't get disheartened.... .

Nope, I wont....I'm a born fighter.....

The Police toon was great...

 

[kabir]

I wonder what would the pick up line if I were to make an advance on a woman bartender?? "Can I buy you a drink?"

Regarding the thread's moot point, give me women bartenders anyday... heck..(hic)..EVERYDAY!

 

[deepshi]

haha.
jus ask her dis 4 once,,n rest f ur life-it wud b flowin out of barrels!

I wonder what would the pick up line if I were to make an advance on a woman bartender?? "Can I buy you a drink?"

Regarding the thread's moot point, give me women bartenders anyday... heck..(hic)..EVERYDAY!