Chinese Troops Recent Incursion in Ladakh

Jameen pe kabja ho chuka hai ur aab isse vaapis lena almost impossible hai..Mere hisab se diplomatic level pe hi hum kuch prayash kar sakte hain..baaki aage ke liye jald se jald border line ka solution nikalna hoga otrwz time door nahi ye ghatnayein aage bhi repeat hoon..
 
India has replied strong and has asked China to go back with out any conditions.... Let us see what future holds
 
मनमोहन सिंह सोच रहे हैं कि चीनी सेना संभवतः लद्दाख में -25 डिग्री तापमान में तम्बू बाँध कर कोई समर कैम्प में छुट्टिया मनाने आई है ! घोर लज्जा आनी चाहिए !!

देश की सीमाएँ माता के वस्त्रों की तरह हैं जिसकी रक्षा का कर्तव्य केंद्र सरकार का है ! परन्तु मनमोहन ने तो अपनी माता पिता सखा सब इटली की सोनिया को बना रखा है !


मनमोहन को देश से क्या ?????
 
According to a white paper issued by China, Chinese Army is only 8.5 lakh but India's army is 12 lakh... that came to me as a surprise... but no doubt China has more sophisticated weapons and global edge

Kabja ki hui jagah baaton se waapis nahi hoti..
 
Failure of government at all levels: Indian foreign policy, bureaucrats are a shame. Incapable bureucrats sitting in Cabinet Secretariat making a mockery of this country. They are worse than anywhere in the world. Civil services need a massive change othewise days are not far, when more area will be occupied by our neighbour countries from all over. Read this article which shows how these inept bureaucrats have made this mess:

India misreads Chinese incursion, ties itself in knots



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...itself-in-knots/articleshow/19823876.cmsFirst, India was caught off-guard. Second, India's intelligence assessment of the incident and its implications has been inadequate at best. Third, while trying to play the good boys with Beijing initially by not taking any action, now New Delhi will be seen to be taking action under public pressure, not because the government has deemed the incident to have crossed a threshold.
 
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As per our foriegn minister Salman Khurshid, occupation of 750 sq kms is just an "acne". So going by his strategies, a "Scar" will happen when whole Kashmir will be occupied by China/Pak. Until he won't react. What a Shame!
 
As per our foriegn minister Salman Khurshid, occupation of 750 sq kms is just an "acne". So going by his strategies, a "Scar" will happen when whole Kashmir will be occupied by China/Pak. Until he won't react. What a Shame!


इसके एक बाल-तोड़ करवा हो है ठोड़ी पै। जब दर्द में भिभावेगा जब समझ में आवेगी इस "हैंडीकेप कोटा" चोर के।
 
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कई बार मजाक में कही गयी बात भी अन्तकरण में छिपी हुयी भावना को उजागर कर देती है| खान्ग्रेस की नियत तो सिर्फ राज करने की रही है देश चाहे जितना भी छोटा होता जाए |;);)

Chota desh banne ka, abhi hum bade desh ki shreni main aane lag gaye ;)
 
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अब समझ आया सरकार ने चीनी से सरकारी नियंत्रण क्यों हटाया था

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India has become a joke in the Maldives, a foe in Sri Lanka, a doubt in Bangladesh, a shrug in Nepal, a snigger in Pakistan and a taunt in China. Every neighbour has tested Delhi and discovered that this government walks on its knees. India has never seemed as helplessly weak as now. Foreign minister Salman Khurshid thinks China's incursion into Despang is acne which will disappear - perhaps after an application of a multinational cream. Has no one briefed him or the PM about Chinese revenue officials trying to extend their jurisdiction into Ladakh, or the significant possibility that the area may be rich in un-mined uranium?


http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/TheSiegeWithin/entry/india-has-never-seemed-as-helplessly-weak-as-now


All in all, f**K India's so called cowardish foreign policy !
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Its a tricky situation, actually. The border is not notified and that is why its called Line of Actual Control. Though I believe many ex-servicemen JL members can share more info, I understand the Indo-Sino border in Ladakh and in Sikim/AP to be very poorly marked due to a) the reason mentioned above and b) the inhospitable terrain. I have visited army friends and cousins in both Ladakh and Sikkim (a month back) and have seen at first hand the difficulty in guarding or marking the boundaries. In fact one of the highlights of my visit to Sikkim was the memorable time spent with the jawans of the Jat Regiment posted close to the border in North Sikkim. More on that sometime later.


But the point here is that since the border is poorly marked and not an official international border and is in difficult terrain, it is very hard to verify which area belongs to whom. Quite often advance patrols get lost due to heavy snow and end up in each other's territory. There are no fences and certainly no posts sometimes for kms. So my initial assumption is that this is a Chinese advance patrol which encamped in India's territory by mistake. At the same time 18kms inside Indian territory hardly seems like a mistake and it could be another Chinese tactic to test India's response, military preparedness or simply keep us on our toes. Whatever it is, most experts agree that China isnt looking for a conflict. This is also borne out by the fact that at least in Ladakh and Sikkim, Chinese garrisons are almost 30-40 kms away from the LAC, whereas ours like the Jat Regiment one I saw in North Sikkim are much closer - 10-15 kms away. So if I am looking for a fight, I will have my troops closer to the border.

In any case, lets hope the matter gets resolved sooner rather than later. As opposed to what the jingoistic media often projects, the Indian and Chinese border forces aren't on bad terms. There are regular flag meetings and relations have mostly been amicable apart from one or two incidents 20-30 years ago. In fact Nathu La in East Sikkim was recently opened up for trade and from what I hear the Chinese copy NorthFace winter jackets and quilts sell well. As do our Ghee, Refined oil and other items.
Ur absolutely right sir.But one thing i want to say, that the best way to know ones countries intentions is to watch their local news channels on internet, and since i have done that, u all will be surprised to know that chinese consider india much more militarily capable then them, also they consider india as a greatest more reliable business partener than anyother nation, and there is no chance of war or such foolish step from any of the nation for all of them know that its the fools call to go for war in this modern world where wars have now more or less turned into business and economic achievement.....Our indian media is completely irresponsible in dealing with such issues, for they present such issues in spicy way to increase their TRP ratings and creating unnecessary nuisance for government and their officials, and making hue of nothing....Thanks for posting this information here and if its possible give this information to those irresponsible media persons who just no nothing of it.....
 
China-India stand-off at Ladakh ends, armies withdraw: Press Trust of India

Ladakh: India and China have simultaneously withdrawn their troops from the face-off point at Daulat Beg Oldie near the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, PTI has reported, quoting official sources. Reportedly, the agreement was reached after high-level negotiations from both sides and the withdrawal was completed at 7:30 pm.

This ends the deadlock that began when Chinese troops set up camp 19 kms into Indian territory in the Depsang Valley in Ladakh. Soon after, India has set up its own post just 500 m away.



Comments from those who believed diplomacy is not the solution?

As someone said: No Big Talks. No Bullshit like 'Operation Parakram'. Just Quiet, Strong Diplomacy that makes the difference.
 
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China-India stand-off at Ladakh ends, armies withdraw: Press Trust of India

Ladakh: India and China have simultaneously withdrawn their troops from the face-off point at Daulat Beg Oldie near the Line of Actual Control in Ladakh, PTI has reported, quoting official sources. Reportedly, the agreement was reached after high-level negotiations from both sides and the withdrawal was completed at 7:30 pm.

This ends the deadlock that began when Chinese troops set up camp 19 kms into Indian territory in the Depsang Valley in Ladakh. Soon after, India has set up its own post just 500 m away.



Comments from those who believed diplomacy is not the solution?

As someone said: No Big Talks. No Bullshit like 'Operation Parakram'. Just Quiet, Strong Diplomacy that makes the difference.

Desi,

1. It is a responsibility of diplomats and government to resolve this issue.

2. It is our diplomacy who made this mess. Infact our diplomacy is a mess.

3. Even we managed to do some negotiations but these negotitations have come with a price. Indian army has moved back from its own territory.

4. Chinese might have put a pressure on Indian government to stop infrastructure building. And to some extent, India has agreed upon those terms. In this way China has managed to achieve their goals for not giving India any strategic advantage.

Ar ehsaan nahi kara hai Government aur diplomats ne.. ye inki duty hai. leking ye jaroor clear hai ke humne kaafi kuch kho diya hai.
 
1. It is a responsibility of diplomats and government to resolve this issue.
So still, you dont appreciate them doing their duty?

2. It is our diplomacy who made this mess. Infact our diplomacy is a mess.

Really? you are saying that commenting on a topic that has been solved democratically against a more powerful nation?
3. Even we managed to do some negotiations but these negotitations have come with a price. Indian army has moved back from its own territory.

Your understanding of the issue is compromised vicky, there is no demarkated border in the region and that is why this whole issue took place in the first place
 
So still, you dont appreciate them doing their duty?

Not at all. Because our diplomats were reactive not proactive. After pressure from Media, and people these guys wake from slumber. In the Hindsight they acted. Otherwise if you look at responses from our PM and Foreign minister, they were highly disappointing. PM Said, its a localized issue and Foreign minister said, it's an acne. If media pressure was not there, they would not have reacted so quickly.

Really? you are saying that commenting on a topic that has been solved democratically against a more powerful nation?

Solved?! who said so. It is a compromise. Why Indian Army moved back since its very much within Indian Territory. More compromises on the lines of restricting infrastructure development along the border.
Your understanding of the issue is compromised vicky, there is no demarkated border in the region and that is why this whole issue took place in the first place

Bhai It has been so long time, they could not solve this issue. I am not sure how many centuries it will take to resolve this border issue. Clearly diplomacy has not worked after so long time and war lessons!!!
 
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So still, you dont appreciate them doing their duty?
Maybe you do but IMO this whole diplomacy and foreign ministry is a complete doodoo when it comes to protecting its own borders & citizens overseas.
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Your understanding of the issue is compromised vicky, there is no demarkated border in the region and that is why this whole issue took place in the first place
Why you keep reiterating this when its written all over that Chinese were well in 19 kms. Did you check post # 22 & 27 on this thread?
 
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