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Koi dikkat nahin mitra. Ravi Chaudhary ki baat kaafi hadh tak sach hoti deekh rahi hai. Puraani kitabon se copy paste pure joron se chal raha hai. Ummid yeh hai ki sab lok dekh sakte hain ki yeh copy paste bekaar hai.
A Word of Explanation and an Appeal:
I do not claim this is my original research . Rather, it is the research done by noted scholars of the field. The purpose of the thread is to ignite curiosity of the young scholars about the need of research in the History of the Jats as they would realise after going through the posts that much effort is needed to study the past afresh. It may rightly be called 'copy paste or edited' research findings from here and there. But, what matters in these kinds of posts is that they carry latest information with sources quoted, which is the need of time to keep the readers updated.
Whether these posts are worth reading or not is up to the liking and disliking of the readers' choice but their worth cannot be undermined in the emerging knowledge society !!!
Since, the chronology of Ten Kings Battle [Dasrajan yudha] has been arrived at long ago, there is no fun in clinging on this thread as no useful contributions were coming to disprove the findings arrived at so to discuss the chronology of the Mahabharata battle new thread has been started :
In Quest of Chronology of Epic Mahabharata and Bharata Battle
It is open invitation and appeal to all those readers, who are interested in study of Ancient Indian History afresh to shun pre-conceived views, join discussion with open mind and to contribute objective posts supported by sources or relevant comments on the posted views, not the persons, to make the discussion more relevant to understand the Jat History in general and proto-history of India in particular.
Thanks.
Kisi bhi shodh ke liye yeh anivarya hai ki log sach bole aur jo kahen use kare. Artharth aapne kai din pehle Swami Dayananda Saraswati ka hawala diya Divodas ke janam ko lekar. Aapne yeh bhi kaha ki aap unki kitab ke panne ka scan yaha prastut karenge. Aaj tak sab intjaar mein hi baithe hain.
Ab aap ek naye thread ke gun gaan kar rahe hain aur yahan jo likha gaya use bekaar thera rahe hain. Itna hi nahi aap is baat se bhaag rahe hain jo aapko prastut karna thha.
Isse kya saabit hota hai? Yeh ho sakta hai ki aap Swami Dayanand dwara krit lekh yahan prastut nahi karna chhahate hain. Kaaran? Sirf aap jaante hain! Lekin pathak gan ise daal mein kuch kaala maanenge.
Ab aap Mahabharata ka raag alaap rahe hain Rigved mein kya likha aap ki samajh mein nahi aaya ya aap samajhna chahate nahin hain. Yeh kis prakar ka shodh hai?
http://www.vedicgranth.org/what_are_vedic_granth/the-four-veda/rig-ved
On this web page, there are many PDFs regarding rigvedas (translated)..so here we can get some help..
In PDF RigVeda-Hindi-SoamiDivyanand.pdf ( please download from above given link) at page no. 544 (mandal 6, sukta 61. mantra 1)..first mantra is the translation of above mantra.. RISHI is Bhardwaaz and DEVTA is written as Saraswati.... Am i reading the translation of mantra under dsicussion?
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Continuing his study on ……………To sum up the gist of his finding is:
We thus get two cross contacts in Indian protohistory:
Ashoka and Antiok, the yona raja in c. 257 B.C.
Divodasa of Helmund, Indatu of Ur, Hashrava of North Iran and Emissum of Larsa provide cross contacts in c.2000--1970 B.C.
The chronological infrastructure of the protohistoric India should satisfy these two fixed points.............
Aap kamaal kar rahe hain. Apne jawaab me Trutiyan dekhna shuru kijiye: Pehli aap Swami Dayananda ka naam vyarth istemaal kar rahe hain. Ek hindi bhashi ko itna pata hona chaiye ki jin ka aap hawala de rahe hain ve Divyanand hain na ki Dayanand. Yeh ek bahut bada farak hai.Friend,
I had bid 'Adieu' from this thread but to put the record in right perspective, I take the opportunity to submit for your kind consideration and necessary action as under:
Reply to your query regarding the meaning given by Swami Dayananda Saraswati was supplied by Prashant Vaidvan, that is why I did not paste the copy of the extract. If you are really interested in knowing what Swami ji has written, you can easily go through it. For your ready reference it is reproduced below;
Kya aap ab bhi apni is baat ko sach maante hain?If you have seen it, then your tirade against me, is ill-founded, baseless and without any reason or rhyme.
Aap kamaal kar rahe hain. Apne jawaab me Trutiyan dekhna shuru kijiye: Pehli aap Swami Dayananda ka naam vyarth istemaal kar rahe hain. Ek hindi bhashi ko itna pata hona chaiye ki jin ka aap hawala de rahe hain ve Divyanand hain na ki Dayanand. Yeh ek bahut bada farak hai.
Doosri baat: yeh rigved ka 6.61.1 shloka hai:
इयमददाद्रभसमृणच्युतं दिवोदासं वध्र्यश्वाय दाशुषे ।
या शश्वन्तमाचखादावसं पणिं ता ते दात्राणि तविषा सरस्वति ||
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Kya aap ab bhi apni is baat ko sach maante hain?
श्री राजपाल जी,
कहीं न कहीं श्री रोमर जी के तर्क ठीक ही प्रतीत होते हैं.
सम्बंधित श्लोक का अर्थ जानने के लिए (संस्कृत का ज्ञान न होने के कारण) गूगल की सहायता से निम्न रूपांतरण प्राप्त हुए ,
वेद पुराण डाट... पर: (लिंक की अनुमति नहीं हैं )
सरस्वती देवी ने आहुति देने वाले वध्र्यश्वाय को, धैर्यवान, ऋणमुक्त होने वाला पुत्र दिवोदास प्रदान किया,
जिसने पणी नामक कष्ट देने वाले कंजूस का नाश किया | हे सरस्वती देवी ! आपके दान महान हैं ||
विकिपीडिया पर श्री. Ralph T.H Griffith द्वारा:
To Vadhryasva when. be worshipped her with gifts she gave fierce Divodasa, canceller of debts.
Consumer of the churlish niggard, one and all, thine, O Sarasvati, are these effectual boons.
आर्य समाज जामनगर की वेबसाईट पर :
जो स्त्री विद्या शिक्षायुक्त वाणी को ग्रहण कराती है वह अनादिभुत वेदविद्या को जानने योग्य होती है
वह जिसके साथ विवाह करे उसका अहोभाग्य होता है यह जानने योग्य है ||१||
श्री Griffith, श्री Wilson एवं वेद पुराण डाट काम पर दिए गए रुपान्तरण क्या सत्य नहीं हो सकते ? ये तीनों ही रूपांतरण लगभग सामान ही हैं जबकी आर्य समाज जामनगर का रूपांतरण एकदम अलग सा ही प्रतीत होता है |
This post must sufficiently satisfy the detractors' curiosity. Those who are interested to pursue further research must read the book referred to above page 584-585 in which all the 14 Mantaras dedicated to Saraswati have been given in Skt. then translated into Hindi and SwamiJi's comments appended with all the fourteen hymns.
Perhaps, this is sufficient to prove that I have quoted Swami Dayanand Sarswati in true spirit and letter. Those who attribute 'motives' must be forgiven by God for their ignorance of the rules and methods of scholarly research methodology !
May goddess Saraswati bestow upon all of us her boon of knowledge and forbearance !!
OM, TAT, SAT, SHANTI, SHANTI !!!
So far as translations provided by T Griffith above, it clearly shows that the hymn [6.61.1] is addressed to the goddess [DEVI] Saraswati and not to river Saraswati as is being interpreted by some people. By performing Puja of a Devi and begetting boon does not mean that the incident occurred at some specific place till other corroboratory evidence is not provided. Here, an attempt is being made, out of nowhere without any evidence to support, that such and such person worshiped a certain river in India and rest of the evidence supplied from Archaeology and literary sources has no value for them. To say the least, this is an attempt to 'INVENT HISTORY' not to reconstruct history.
Jo aapne upload kiya hai veh shloka 6.61.1 nahi hai. Kripa kar ke sahi shloka ka anuvad upload kijiye. Aur jo aap upload kar rahe hain veh sahi tarah padhne main nahi aa raha hai. Aap flickr (flickr.com) pe account khol loijie aur wahan bade size ki file upload kijie sahi shloka ki jisse doodh ka doodha aur paani ka paani ho sake.
If you are bent upon not accepting it as RV.6.61.1 and translation and interpretation by Swami Dayanand Saraswati, go and compare the same with the original book quoted earlier and prove your point. Enough is enough.
Learn to do something on your own also instead of directing me to do this or that for you.
Thanks.
श्री राजपाल जी,
कहीं न कहीं श्री रोमर जी के तर्क ठीक ही प्रतीत होते हैं.
सम्बंधित श्लोक का अर्थ जानने के लिए (संस्कृत का ज्ञान न होने के कारण) गूगल की सहायता से निम्न रूपांतरण प्राप्त हुए ,
वेद पुराण डाट... पर: (लिंक की अनुमति नहीं हैं )
सरस्वती देवी ने आहुति देने वाले वध्र्यश्वाय को, धैर्यवान, ऋणमुक्त होने वाला पुत्र दिवोदास प्रदान किया,
जिसने पणी नामक कष्ट देने वाले कंजूस का नाश किया | हे सरस्वती देवी ! आपके दान महान हैं ||
विकिपीडिया पर श्री. Ralph T.H Griffith द्वारा:
To Vadhryasva when. be worshipped her with gifts she gave fierce Divodasa, canceller of debts.
Consumer of the churlish niggard, one and all, thine, O Sarasvati, are these effectual boons.
आर्य समाज जामनगर की वेबसाईट पर :
जो स्त्री विद्या शिक्षायुक्त वाणी को ग्रहण कराती है वह अनादिभुत वेदविद्या को जानने योग्य होती है
वह जिसके साथ विवाह करे उसका अहोभाग्य होता है यह जानने योग्य है ||१||
श्री Griffith, श्री Wilson एवं वेद पुराण डाट काम पर दिए गए रुपान्तरण क्या सत्य नहीं हो सकते ? ये तीनों ही रूपांतरण लगभग सामान ही हैं जबकी आर्य समाज जामनगर का रूपांतरण एकदम अलग सा ही प्रतीत होता है |
Aap phir kamaal kar rahe hain. 6.61.1 se agla shloka hai 6.61.2 aur iska anuvad hai:
इयं शुष्मेभिर्बिसखा इवारुजत्सानु गिरीणां तविषेभिरूर्मिभिः । पारावतघ्नीमवसे सुवृक्तिभिः सरस्वतीमा विवासेम धीतिभिः ॥२॥
Anuvaad:
She with her might, like one who digs for lotus-stems, hath burst with her strong waves the ridges of the hills.
Let us invite with songs and holy hymns for help Sarasvati who slayeth the Paravatas.
Kripa kar he thoda addhyan kijiye. 6.61 ke saare shlok saraswati nadi ke upar hain.
6.61.8
यस्या अनन्तो अह्रुतस्त्वेषश्चरिष्णुरर्णवः । अमश्चरति रोरुवत् ॥८॥
Whose limitless unbroken flood, swift-moving with a rapid rush,
Comes onward with tempestuous roar.
6.61.10
उत नः प्रिया प्रियासु सप्तस्वसा सुजुष्टा । सरस्वती स्तोम्या भूत् ॥१०॥
Anuvad:Yea, she most dear amid dear stream, Seven-sistered, graciously inclined,
Sarasvati hath earned our praise.
6.61.12
त्रिषधस्था सप्तधातुः पञ्च जाता वर्धयन्ती । वाजेवाजे हव्या भूत् ॥१२॥Anuvad: Seven-sistered, sprung from threefold source, the Five Tribes' prosperer, she must be
Invoked in every deed of might.
6.61.13
प्र या महिम्ना महिनासु चेकिते द्युम्नेभिरन्या अपसामपस्तमा । रथ इव बृहती विभ्वने कृतोपस्तुत्या चिकितुषा सरस्वती ॥१३॥
Marked out by majesty among the Mighty Ones, in glory swifter than the other rapid Streams,
Created vast for victory like a chariot, Sarasvati must be extolled by every sage.
Jo koi yeh kaha raha hai ki 6.61 ke shloka Saraswati nadi ke baare mein nahi hain
unhe yeh nahi pata ki wo kya kah rahe hain. Thoda adhyan ki sakth avashyakta hai.
yeh jo aapne upload kiya hai isme kahin 6.61.1 nahi hai. Yeh 6.61.9 se shuru hota hai. Aap chahe kisi ko dikha lijiye. Aur kripa kar kar thode aur professor ke anuvaad padhne ka kasht karein jiase wilson, griffith jaisa neeraj ji ne bhi kaha hai:
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