Does God Exists??

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ok, here i go:
When i was a kid, i believed in many things such as God, gods, goddesses, ghosts and many more. Andhere mein akele jane mein bhi dar lagta tha. A creature called “hhaauu” used to live in dark rooms…supposedly. :D Most of these thing evaporated out of ‘my world’ and simply because I never found them anywhere and I had no reason to believe that they do exist. (btw there are many kids who are still afraid of dark)
I feared ‘samshan-ghat’ a.. a.. a.. lot. I remember the day I ditched the concept of ghost and samshan-ghat and associated superstitions. (Though horror movies still frighten me but thats a different thing :o )
This GOD thing, i don’t when, where, why and how I ditched this concept but i can NOT fathom that there is something which controls my life and everything in this universe!!

I am sure all of us have discussed this topic many many times somwhere. Well, I am not the exception either. had numerous arguments over this with a variety of ppl. This discussion always ended somewhere here:

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Perosn X: “See, the thing is: to draw even a straight line, there has to be some creativity, some brain, some controlling power… now u tell me how these planets were formed??”

Me: “Well, Big-bang might have happened.”

Person X: “there has to be something/somebody behind all of this to happen. No?? And that is God my friend.”

Me: “so u mean for anything to happen, there has to be something behind it. Right??”

Perosn X: “Right.”… (1)

Me: “Ok, so to create a big- bang, we need to have some power because to carry out such a huge task we need a ‘creative- entity’ called God.”

Person X: “bang-on.”

Me: “then, who created God??”

Person X: “m not following you??”

Me: “see it takes creativity and hence a ‘supreme power’ to create a big-bang. Then to create that ‘supreme power’ we need another supremely ‘supreme power’ because according to u it always takes ‘something’ to create anything (Ref. eq. (1))
Now extend the same logic further where we will end??
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In the end it is all about stretching the boundaries of God’s intervention. Many find it offensive that i ridicule the supremacy of God. They label me ignorant/arrogant or plain freak but the truth is, i too find it highly offensive when someone claims/doubts the self-sustainability of any biological/ecological system as god’s grace. :(

My take: if ‘God’ can happen on its own so can do ‘everything’ else. :)

Another set of arguments concluded:

What God does: Everything yet Nothing. :confused:

Where is God: Everywhere yet No where. ;)

Only logical/reasonable/appropriate gist, my little/ tiny/ small/ mortal brain can infer from the above mutual contradictory statements is that the thing called ‘God’ doesn’t exist!! As simple as that.:p

True, there is a lot that is unsolved for human-kind, there are lot of things which are beyond our control BUT if the progress made by human-kind in solving the mysteries of world/life is any indicator then God’s sphere of intervention is shrinking which in a way supports the non-existence of God (not other way round). :)

P.S. i’ll definitely and happily accept the ‘concept of God’ if i ever had a teeny-tiny doubt about the non-existence of the same. :)

You are correct my dear brother if are going to be scientific u can't prove the Exsistence of God. But still there are certain incidents which are still far away from scientific theories or we can say the logics for those incidents yet to proved and found.
Ask them whose child was not been treated by any best medical threatment when all the medical sciences has given the negative answer and then some magic which we can call god had make that child healthy they can tell you about the exsistense of God.:)
 
I have the typical position: There is no proof for the existence of God. I wish we as humans did not come up with this concept of God .... lots of problems in the world are related to it. It does more harm than good.
Most Gods are more than 2000 years old before science, origins of universe, evolution.
In software speak, would you use Windows 95 on your computer?

Most scientists are agnostics. I would believe them over the word of panda or priest mullah etc.
 
In software speak, would you use Windows 95 on your computer?

This example seems wrong here as Computer still works on the principle of thousands years old digits 0,1 and will work on this system forever. :p

DOS or Windows Vista and don't know what next , hardly matters :)
 
Dear Friends,

I would like hear your thoughts on this subject, participation will be greatly appreciated.

Example: Say If I were to sell you a car, without showing it you or you test driving it, would you buy it?

Why do believe everything that is told to us??

Why do believe in such a concept, which cannot be expressed, cannot be felt, is beyond our senses or intellect??:)

Once I asked the same question to a south indian devotee person. He was IIT chenai pass out (just to clear that he was educated one).

He asked me: What is Science? Aaj jo proved hai wo science hai aur jo aaj proved hai wo kal tak science nahi thi? Is it so?
Then why dont we have some space to a thought that there might be things which are beyond science?
 
Exactly,,,,I am also saying the same thing,,,,,it is beyond the reach of Logics, questions, proofs,,,,,jahaan ye sab khatam ho jaatein hain vahaan se God ke existence ka pata chalna shuru ho jaata hai,,,,jaise mujhe pata hai,,,,,,I have an uncanny habit of thinking beyond LOGIC:rock:rock

Once I asked the same question to a south indian devotee person. He was IIT chenai pass out (just to clear that he was educated one).

He asked me: What is Science? Aaj jo proved hai wo science hai aur jo aaj proved hai wo kal tak science nahi thi? Is it so?
Then why dont we have some space to a thought that there might be things which are beyond science?
 
He asked me: What is Science? Aaj jo proved hai wo science hai aur jo aaj proved hai wo kal tak science nahi thi? Is it so?
Then why dont we have some space to a thought that there might be things which are beyond science?

Nice example Jitu Bhai :)

The interesting point is that our Scientists never searched anything but they are only researching and analyzing everything which already exits in the Universe.

Yesterday's basic fundamentals of Physics are proved as wrong today and today's would be proved wrong tommorrow. Just as Einstien ridiculed the Newton. :)
 
Nahi bhai performance bar neeche nahi jaagi,,,because God is with me:rock,,,,,bas mera to beech beech mein ye Infraction kaam gad-bad kar jyaa se,,,,point kat jyaa se,,,,

vaise bhai on serious note,,,,all these things about God and supernatural things can be observed and felt once a person rise above Logic and shed off all the doubts, questions.,,,,,,,just surrender before God that is the only solution,,,,,otherwise its individual's choice,,,,but anyway that wont affect existence of God as I have personally experienced it:rock

Thats why I say "One Thing I Know and That is That, I know Nothing":rock

:) Mein bhi sochun tha ek aaj Sachin kit gaya, kade ya performance aali baar 99% pe naa aajya ... but am happy now :)
 
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If god existence is dependent on our own perceptions and faith (or belief) then who is higher??? Us or god??

i.e. Mano toh sab kuch hai or na Mano toh kuch bhi nahin - does this really hold true.
 
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A little experiment

I would like to request you all for a simple experiment. Pls try it and let me know.

Pretend to forget everything you were told or taught until now, as if you were infant again.

Then ask this question again...what is your first response??

 
Dear Friends,

I would like hear your thoughts on this subject, participation will be greatly appreciated.

Example: Say If I were to sell you a car, without showing it you or you test driving it, would you buy it?

If not then why when it comes to religion or spirituality, we become so naive??

Why do believe everything that is told to us??

Why do believe in such a concept, which cannot be expressed, cannot be felt, is beyond our senses or intellect??:)

Why We have fear or love of something which we have no personal experience of?

And finally what if we found out everything which was told to us about religion or god was all make believe or a big lie??:D


Warm regards,

Deepak

Deepak ji, Did I miss something like observation with imperfect human senses?

Question, wether God exist or not, is as old as human evolution. Had religion ( not spirituality) been so absurd(yes most of cult based is) it wont have been continuing for hundreds of centuaries.Every human beings at the end of the day needs something to bow down.Earlier in stone age it were natural dieties like of sun, moon, rain etc.With the growth of consiousnes, there came organised guidelines of living as it was not possible for human to survive alone and it shaped socities, communities, countries, continents and ofcourse Religion i.e Dharma.It is quite fashionable to criticise Religion for everything wrong.Religion, initially provided the mannual to live to gether but it came very late in human civilization compared to biological instincts and hence not ingrianed in genetics.Till today, our behaviour is governed on instincts which can't be , obviously, described as human. Since human being is the alone species in world who has tendency to think, make a decision.Or lets say consiousness.In some cases chimpanzes/apes posses this trait of decision but that is too vague.Personal experience, even if, someone have of something like super natural can't be validated as I can't experience the headache of yours.So when it comes to God, it comes to refining of senses which are too imperfect. Here if WE( Please exclude western philosophy here) want to KNOW( knowing is better than experiencing) first step indicated towards purification( as you mentioned in your recent post about being infant as you must have meant pure, but that too is vague in sense of understanding, as a children and animal live in 'states' no abstraction of thought.)Perhaps imperial ways are the place where all over-popular philosophers find their solace.Most of achievers of the materialistic world bow their heads in Indian Aasharms which is not bowing in front of self-proclaimed babas rather to the system which has a way to KNOW that question.

Why do believe? Because we are being raised up in a society or culture(all over world) which dwells on too much average ways of surviving and a little of reality so arises a need to unlearn but the process is too difficult.We do believe because our role models who are parents in first place tends to bow down in front of average beliefs instead of questioning the wrong.That is wrong.We do believe because if we wont believe there would be fear of being left alone which too is not easy.We do believe because there is fear of walking alone on difficult path of truth( or say pursuing truth) than walking in given herdish way of comfortable senses.We do believe because we are not forced ( situationaly, by choice or naturaly) to pursue upward path.

If given, God , is experienced.Its a wrong notion.God can be known.Experience is an emotion or feeling which can't sustain but yes if you KNOW, you can't be same as other all things would seem useless and then surrounding world( which is colored, full of rollercoaster) wouldn't validate us.
So let me clear here that this path is not for emotional stuff.Thaty in most of scripture( if you go through by chance) there is emphasis on being over happiness/sorrow or say Tatasth.

Perception again is by senses, so it overruled.When it comes to faith.Faith can be countered with the arrival of higher faith.Dont work.

Yes, one thing can surely help us which is to see Universal application of any faith, perception.If one religion, truth,beliefs, faiths are not having a tinch of universality then please believe that is crap. Universal here I mean like death. EVeryone would die despite of country,religion or name.

Indian mythology or better say Eastern philosophy deals with these question in most pragmatic and scientific way.SriMad Bhagvat Geeta is being read( as Upnishads are too difficult to ingrain for a person like me or of any average intellect) widely. Why? It serves some basic question in convincing way.It requires regular and repetitive reading with continously digging your querries.

Religion as such isnt bad , it is the selfish intermediates which uses it and ignorant crowd believes them.Probem is with masses not with religion or God.

Morever, people makes it such a public issue where the core of it is so personal as love making.Ironicaly but true.

Personaly I dnt follow any God but I have sacute inclination towards pursuing the ultimate truth of human life sooner or later.
 
What is infinite

It is not just the God, there are other things as well, we just believe them because we are told to do so and we never question them.

In mathematics we use the term "infinite" all the time, can anyone tell what is infinite? Has anyone seen infinite objects of anything?
 
Even though there is no direct physical evidence of God , one is better off having faith that God exists than sufferinf the potential consequences of being a non - believer : Pascal Wager !

True. Faith is twisted word ans specially in India. As someone pointed out its doing more bad then good these days. People feel more of fear then faith....bhagwaan ki yaad bhi bure temm mein he aave se :D

Anyways, people who are advocating for "no logics needed" and "its about how u want to see things". Our everyday life works on rational reasons and logics.....everything we need should be reasonable....then why this exception??

how many of us believe in aliens??? there is more possibility of life on other planets then in stones....what say?
 
In mathematics we use the term "infinite" all the time, can anyone tell what is infinite? Has anyone seen infinite objects of anything?

The term Infinite in mathematics is used for an undefined/unknown number. If somehow we able calculate the value of infinite then that value becomes a finite value and the term infinite would remain the same i.e. a value which can not be defined or calculated. :)
 
how many of us believe in aliens??? there is more possibility of life on other planets then in stones....what say?

This is quite interesting !

I read somewhere that somewhere in our Vedas Gods are described as Aliens. But it is very hard to understand and analyze the actual meaning of the verses written in Vedas.

People read them and conclude according to their own understanding. :)
 

Okey , I guess i have to prove it for you to internalise ! :)

Here goes the proof.....

Infact I do not need to Euler did it long time back ...

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There is a famous anecdote inspired by Euler's arguments with secular philosophers over religion, which is set during Euler's second stint at the St. Petersburg academy. The French philosopher Denis Diderot was visiting Russia on Catherine the Great's invitation. However, the Empress was alarmed that the philosopher's arguments for atheism were influencing members of her court, and so Euler was asked to confront the Frenchman. Diderot was later informed that a learned mathematician had produced a proof of the existence of God: he agreed to view the proof as it was presented in court. Euler appeared, advanced toward Diderot, and in a tone of perfect conviction announced, "Sir, (a + b^n )/ z = x , hence God exists—reply!". Diderot, to whom (says the story) all mathematics was gibberish, stood dumbstruck as peals of laughter erupted from the court. Embarrassed, he asked to leave Russia, a request that was graciously granted by the Empress. However amusing the anecdote may be, it is apocryphal, given that Diderot was a capable mathematician who had published mathematical treatises.

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As easy as that ! :)
 
yes,i do believe in gods existence......bcoz if we stop believing in him.there wont be any meaning of faith,forgiveness,prayer,love,blessing ,hope and list goes on.for me god is not a murti aur a particular religion.for me its a power with in me which differentiates right from wrong.
Dear Friends,

I would like hear your thoughts on this subject, participation will be greatly appreciated.

Example: Say If I were to sell you a car, without showing it you or you test driving it, would you buy it?

If not then why when it comes to religion or spirituality, we become so naive??

Why do believe everything that is told to us??

Why do believe in such a concept, which cannot be expressed, cannot be felt, is beyond our senses or intellect??:)

Why We have fear or love of something which we have no personal experience of?

And finally what if we found out everything which was told to us about religion or god was all make believe or a big lie??:D


Warm regards,

Deepak
 
Dear Friends,

I would like hear your thoughts on this subject, participation will be greatly appreciated.

Example: Say If I were to sell you a car, without showing it you or you test driving it, would you buy it?

If not then why when it comes to religion or spirituality, we become so naive??

Why do believe everything that is told to us??

Why do believe in such a concept, which cannot be expressed, cannot be felt, is beyond our senses or intellect??:)

Why We have fear or love of something which we have no personal experience of?

And finally what if we found out everything which was told to us about religion or god was all make believe or a big lie??:D


Warm regards,

Deepak
tuj me rab dekhta hain....
Two little boys, aged 8 and 10, are excessively mischievous. They are always getting into trouble and their parents know all about it. If any mischief occurs in their town, the two boys are probably involved.

The boys' mother heard that a preacher in town had been successful in disciplining children, so she asked if he would speak with her boys. The preacher agreed, but he asked to see them individually. So the mother sent the 8 year old first, in the morning, with the older boy to see the preacher in the afternoon.

The preacher, a huge man with a booming voice, sat the younger boy down and asked him sternly,

"Do you know where God is, son?"

The boy's mouth dropped open, but he made no response, sitting there wide-eyed with his mouth hanging open. So the preacher repeated the question in an even sterner tone,

"Where is God?!"

Again, the boy made no attempt to answer. The preacher raised his voice even more and shook his finger in the boy's face and bellowed, "Where is God?!"

The boy screamed and bolted from the room, ran directly home and dove into his closet, slamming the door behind him.

When his elder brother found him in the closet, he asked, "What happened?"

The younger brother, gasping for breath, replied, "Boss we are in BIG trouble this time."

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"GOD is missing, and they think we did it!"




" In case you find him, help the preacher, who badly needs Him.
too bhaio iss bhai ki bi madad karna agar "GOD" mil jaye to
 
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