HC stops Jat Mahapanchayat
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shobhitdeshwal
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Right Bro... So we shall assume that a Jatni and a Jat are not meant to have hearts and are not meant to be humans!!!!vijay said:
A jatni.. her only flaw is that she is a jatni and can not think beyond this?? Humanity is supreme in such cases... Though our blood is getting exploited.. but the human feeling of emotion and love.... Is the most important thing!! And we shall look for it!!!
Cheers!!
Shobhit Deshwal
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vijay said:
Well this is the reason that India which was known as golden sparrow in 12th century is nearly at bottom of world
I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE GIRL HAS DONE SOMETHING BRILLIANT AND THAT SHE HAS GIVEN A GOOD NAME TO OUR CASTE but is it justified to forcefully seperate her from her husband and forcing her to marry someone us?
I FAIL TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS JAT BLOOD IS FEELING PROUD IN HARRASING A COUPLE AND RAPING THE JATNI(SHE WAS FORCED TO MARRY SOME ONE ELSE)
TODAY COUNTRIES LIKE ANGOLA AND COSTA RICA ARE PLAYING WORLD CUP AND WE ARE AT BOTTOM OF MEDAL TELLY IN OLYMPIC AND OUR MAHAPANCHAYATS ARE BUSY IN BULLSHIT THINGS WHAT A SHOW OF JATS BLOOD. THE WHOLE INDIA IS FEELING PROUD OF US AND THE WHOLE WORLD WILL FEEL PROUD OF JATS WHEN IT COMES IN BBC!
THE ROLE OF MAHAPANCHAYATS IS TO THINK ABOUT BETTERMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY AND TODAY WE HAVE TO CONCENTRATE TO EXCEL ON GLOBAL FRONT NOT TO ENGAGE IN NONSENSE THINGS
THE MAHAPANCHAYAT SPENT SO MUCH MONEY ON ASSEMBLING AND ARE FEELING PROUD ON HARRASING A COUPLE WHERE THEY SHOULD BE FOCUSSING ON THE BETTERMENT OF OUR SOCIETY
WELL DONE THE MAHAPANCHAYAT YOU HAVE DONE A COMMENDABLE JOB!
5 LAC PEOPLE FIGHTING AGAINST ONE HELPLESS COUPLE WHAT A SHOW OF BRAVERY !YA U R RIGHT VIJAY THEY HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY HAVE REAL JAT BLOOD
PEOPLE ASK ME HERE 'INDIA WITH ONE BILLION PEOPLE' AND MY HEART BURNS FROM INSIDE WHEN I THINK THAT INSPITE OF ONE BILLION PEOPLE WE ARE NOT
EVEN PLAYING WORLD CUP AND ARE AT BOTTOM OF MEDAL TELLY IN OLYMPIC SINCE OUR MAHAPANCHAYATS ARE BUSY DECIDING HOW TO HARASS A HELPLESS COUPLE, HOW TO DECLARE A MARRIED COUPLE BROTHER AND SISTER ON TOTALLY NONSENSE THINGS
WHY THE REAL JAT BLOOD IS FEELING PROUD IN HARRASING A HELPLESS
I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT IT IS NOT JAT BLOOD
THE REAL JAT BLOOD IS IN THE JATS WHICH HAVE GIVEN US A NATIONAL AND GLOBAL NAME AND THE BLOOD WHICH IS SHED IN WAR FIGHTING THE INVADERS PROTECTING THE MOTHERLAND
Beta- Babu mhare gam mein light koni aati, koi aspatall be konya, er school mein bahut khana competition sai, kille be mahre dhore 3 e rahege. E saare gaama ke log kyon katthe ho rahe sain? ke ye school khulwawange? ya ground banwanwege jit mein fotball khelunga er pele banunga olypic mein medal le ke aaunga, ek ye light ka bandobast karan thai mahapanchayat kar rahe sain taki mein padh likh luun er naukri thaa luun
Babu- Re bawwele ke modern thought sain tere !tere mein to real jat blood se e konya! Hum mahapanchayat nu kaaran sain taki on chamaran ke ghar phookan er wo jine byah ke llaya tha unka byah tudwa ke us ne kisse aur ke saath byaah dyan! Hum me REAL JAT BLOOD se beta, hum aapna dhaan modern chizan mein na laate
EVERY JAT SHOULD FEEL SHAME IN THIS TOTALLY INAPPROPRIATE SHOW OF BRAVERY!
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rakeshsehrawat
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rkumar said:
Sir fir bache Hindu honge ya muslim????
aur jis ladki ne chamar se sadi ki uske bache to chamar hi kehlayenge aur fir mama ke ghar jayenge to log unhe kya kahenge????
mera view itna hai ki hum padhe likhe hain lekin ek baat bhoolte ja rahe hain ye caste system us time se suru hai jis time humare granth hi janme the kaam ke hisab se jaat bani thee... aaj jab nasa prove kar raha hai ki India aur Shri Lanka ke beech mein bridge hai jo ki sayad aaj ke engineers na bana sakein
to unhone kuch soch kar hi ye distribution kiya hoga
aur yahan jatland par padhe likho ko agar koi chamar keh de ya yun hi keh de ki chamaro ke mohalle mein rehte ho to mein dekhta hoon ki chup rehne wala kaun hai???
jo chamar kehalwane ke baad chup rehne ko tayar hai use hi in mahapanchayton ki burai karni chaiye
ya fir koi aisa jo apne ghar ki kisi larki ko intercaste marriege(In more Lower class say Chude ya shanshi) karwane ke liye raji hai
panward said:Again we are crossing swords on a different thread Yash. Nevermind.
Ask this question to me. If my sister had done the same thing, I would have stood by her.
I love my sister who is flesh and blood and would any day give preference to her wishes over an abstract thing like society and Prathistha, which is faceless and I can not touch.
What has this society of yours done to prevent vices like foeticide and say dowery which are so rampant in this jat samaj? Have you heard of any panchayat where perpetrators of such a heinous crimes were lynched publicly and hanged by their neck?
I think i m late
Thanx for the sound reply paward. As you said you love your sister pretty much and i m sure she loves you equally and if you care about her i m again sure she'll care about you too. And when you both care about each other so much then i guess you both would care about your parents too.
Look if someone have deep gratitudes for his family then he/she will never end up marrying against their parents will. Oh i forgot to mention one thing
MARRIAGE IS THE BIGGEST THING IN ANYONE'S LIFE
Now if someone really care about his sister he'll never support this kinda sentimental decesion. Its a question of his sister's future and moreover the future of her childern.
What that brother will want, that his sister's childern will be called a Chamar when they grow up and they'll automatically be handed up a SC logo for life which will make them inferior to the society and which will result making them mentally and socially retarded. Now what the future result will be ? A Jatni's emotional decesion.! which runined her future, her children's future and the coming generations in this socially backward Indian society where people achieve their success on the behalf of their casts.
Sorry i wont let my sister ruin her life, no matter how much i love her
prashantacmet
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oooooooooo Bhai Raathi................ ek chotti si baat mharri bhi sun le tu................ nu kaha kare."Jibb ghar main ek chorra badchalan hojja to issa lagge jyooker ghar tai baahar thook diya ho, par jibb ek chhorri badchalan hojja ne to issa lagge jyooker kissi ne bahar tai ghar main thook diya ho".......... shyana manas hai tu to iss baat ne simajh le............
& my dear bro, fact is , still we are so far away from that type of equality which u are advocating here. Our surroundings , our society cannot accept that.......... Things are being shedded in the urban areas to some extent but situation remains same in rural areas where u & me born & brought up......................
jisski chhorri chamar ke chorre ke gail bhaaj ja uski gaam mai haalat dekh le tu........... madak se byoont ka aadmi bhi kanpatte pe saha r de usske......................
So it's our responsibility to maintain the honour & prestige of our parents in that way as so called SAMAJ thinks................
& my dear bro, fact is , still we are so far away from that type of equality which u are advocating here. Our surroundings , our society cannot accept that.......... Things are being shedded in the urban areas to some extent but situation remains same in rural areas where u & me born & brought up......................
jisski chhorri chamar ke chorre ke gail bhaaj ja uski gaam mai haalat dekh le tu........... madak se byoont ka aadmi bhi kanpatte pe saha r de usske......................
So it's our responsibility to maintain the honour & prestige of our parents in that way as so called SAMAJ thinks................
ratheetheraist said:
rakeshsehrawat said:
1. Hindu Husband, wife ex-muslim----- Kids will be Hindus
2. Husband Harijan and wife Jat------- Kids Harijan. And if marriage was by mutual consent, and parents of both blessed it, why should girls brother worry about if their Bhanje are Harijan ? Whys should you and me bother about all this as its none of our problem. Why should it be taken as a entire Kaum's issue?
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Vikas bhai, on one hand you are accusing me of not providing basic facts and on another you are stuggling to make yourself heard with the above posted personal comments. Stop having pity over my views and place your basic arguments here.
Ok, lemme answer you
My real cousin was fighting on the tiger hills in Kargil way back in 1999 against the enemy. He killed 7 enemies alone and was killed fighting for the sake of the country. He was just 29.
You know what motivated him to fight.. the same 'Tigerhood' which you are calling 'bloody'. You cant even imagine the josh he had. The commander in the patalian urged him with these words
"Tu Jat ka chhora hai, er Jat kade bhi haar konya manna karte. Tera khoon pani konya, ja jake baras ja dushmana pe er dikhade unhe ki asli Jat ka beej kitna sachcha hoya kare. Ja ja ke jatta ki chhatti ne chora kar er dushmana ne ragad de"
There are plenty of Jatlanders here who have defence background if you have any doubt then its your wish to ask them that weather patalians in Indian Army are motivated on the basis of their race and caste or not during wars.
Rathee, i m a proud Jat and always will be. NO BODY IN THIS HELL CAN CHANGE ME. The comments you posted are the outbursts of your anger, rosed by my question. From Art. Ins. i wanted to tell ya A Tiger Is a Tiger if he is born from the blood of a Tiger.
Have you ever heard a Tigress being mothered by a fox. Or have you ever heard a female Elephant being inseminated by an Ox. If these animals are so scincere with their race and breeds then why the hell people like you are rubbing themselves day and night to make new samaj and adarsh no matter what the baseless propoganda they might have to use.
Okay now lemme again share a story with ya:
One day an egg of a wild eagle accidently fell from the nest located on the top of a hill. That egg dropped in the nest of a hen where there were six or more hen's eggs were laying. The chicken thought that eagle's egg to be one of her eggs. After few days Egg plates broke and chickens came out, the baby alien too joined them. Soon they grew up eating worms and danas.
One day all brothers were busy in finding worms beneath earth's chest then suddenly the alien brother spotted something in the sky. He asked his brothers "what's that beautiful bird flying miles in the sky" ? They answered "Its a wild eagle, and you should stop dreaming to be that coz you are merely a chicken who can only fly few feets over the ground"
The poor alien had no idea that he is the one who is the king of the sky, he is the one who is born to win, he is the one who is the 'Wild Eagle'.
Here i m not saying the girl has taken the wrong decesion for herself, but she surely has gifted her children a SC tag which will stick to their mind and body for life. The same tag will prevent her childred to excel, the same tag will make them inferior to themselves and to the world, the same tag will result more and more lives depending themselves for reservations and quotas.
If you want this kinda future for your sister and her children then Good Luck.
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prashantacmet
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terri baat ne merri bhittar bhi josh ana diya Bhai yash................Some new westernized Jats are trying to abuse our community's dignity & proud. On one hand they show the arrogant style same as in blood of Jats, on other hand they show sympathy & softeness for some acts which are really condemnable....It's really shows some bad symbol for our community.............These Jats are dangerous for our community"s future......................yeh SANKAR jaatoien ke FAUJ banwenge........... Naash howewega inn jaattoien ka eibb to............ eiibb to nuoey keh ek"I am proud of Jat" per nu kaha karengee "I am proud of being hybrid of a JAT & CHAMAR.........."................. merre Simajh main nuoey ni aaya.............jo yeh JAT_CHAMAR ki shaadi ne support kar rhe............. inhe iss site tai nyari doosri jagah kona paayi ke............................sharma jaao........... iitne modern na bano eibbhi tai............ yu ISHQPISHQ 5-7 din main thandda padd le.......... jibb paachhe pai 5-7 kamokde laage............................
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prashantacmet
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Rajendra Ji.......... Let me explain a bit.........
We are Jats......having a repo in this society due to our arrogant style, traditions , culture., strictness..........If any hard decision is not taken on such issue, for sure in coming time such steps will be in excess...........koi bhi cHHORRI bhaaj leggi kissi ke Gailla........ Our repo,dignity will be degraded....... JAATOIEN ko koi kuch nahi samjheggaa......... JISS GAAM ki aar JISS GOTRA ki chorri ne yu itna burra kaam kara........... uss GAAM ke riste bhi lene main daran laag jyange......INTERNET access karan aalo ke to kaam chaal jyaange..........par unka KAAM kona challe jonsse waastav main Jaat(GAAM aale) hai.......... Duniya GOO bhareggi JAATOIEN ke MUH main.................ista bada kalank koi na mharre maathhe pai........... uss chhorri ne to faassi dedo...aarr susrre GEETALL ke golli kahad do bichalle ku........... fer kuch khauff to baith jaagya in sirfirre premiyon ke bhittar............................
Don'y u think 80% jatas are living in villages......... They are not westernized(CHAMAR_JAAT ki Byaah ne support karan aale).... by these supporting remarks we are only hurting their emotions.......................................
We are Jats......having a repo in this society due to our arrogant style, traditions , culture., strictness..........If any hard decision is not taken on such issue, for sure in coming time such steps will be in excess...........koi bhi cHHORRI bhaaj leggi kissi ke Gailla........ Our repo,dignity will be degraded....... JAATOIEN ko koi kuch nahi samjheggaa......... JISS GAAM ki aar JISS GOTRA ki chorri ne yu itna burra kaam kara........... uss GAAM ke riste bhi lene main daran laag jyange......INTERNET access karan aalo ke to kaam chaal jyaange..........par unka KAAM kona challe jonsse waastav main Jaat(GAAM aale) hai.......... Duniya GOO bhareggi JAATOIEN ke MUH main.................ista bada kalank koi na mharre maathhe pai........... uss chhorri ne to faassi dedo...aarr susrre GEETALL ke golli kahad do bichalle ku........... fer kuch khauff to baith jaagya in sirfirre premiyon ke bhittar............................
Don'y u think 80% jatas are living in villages......... They are not westernized(CHAMAR_JAAT ki Byaah ne support karan aale).... by these supporting remarks we are only hurting their emotions.......................................
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sunitahooda
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Well....read few of the posts by VJ/Rathee n Deepshikha....though it gives a geek feeling to think of marrying a Non-Jat and that too a chamar....but when it comes to the Women's liberation....i strongly support Vikas Rathee....Why this hue and cry is generally not made when a JAT BOY does so???? Also i dont feel any boy or girl asks the other person....teri caste ya gaut bata jibbey mai tere tai pyar karunga/karungi???? doesn't it sound funny....aur agar aise sawaal poochey jatey to ye intercaste marriages shuru hi nahi hoti....whats the issue if the girl didn't find a suitable JAT BOY in her own opinion....arr manne ye socalled....LAMBEY-THADDEY/SUTHREY/KAMAU arr KHANDANI JAT CHHOREY BI BHATEREY DUKH DETE DEKHEY SAIN
prashantacmet
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Shobit bhai........... kya kehne aapke........aap bhi Dil ki hi sunte hai....................do u know what is the most unstable things in this world........... HEART......... if this is not so............ the two persons ffall in love ties in knot against their parents's consent & after one of two year
move for divorce proceddings...................I think all westernized JAATS know about this ............ because it's so common in western culture................forget about this eternal love..........& try to do something which will give a high forehead to your parents & ur community............. Bhagat Singh ne ishq kona kara tha........... 23 SAAL ki umar main SHAHEED holiya tha wo.................
move for divorce proceddings...................I think all westernized JAATS know about this ............ because it's so common in western culture................forget about this eternal love..........& try to do something which will give a high forehead to your parents & ur community............. Bhagat Singh ne ishq kona kara tha........... 23 SAAL ki umar main SHAHEED holiya tha wo.................
shobhitdeshwal said:
Its a complex issue
Dear all
Ram Ram. I am a late entrant to this debate and have not read mnost of the reacions. Still let me try to put forward a few things
Intercaste marriage is a personal and family choice. Wider society should not a have vehement opposition as long as established norms like not marrying witihn same village, or close family, etc are followed.
Feeling pride in Jat blood is a matter of inculcation by parents and elders. IOn this incident, the girl wants to marry and family has no opposition, obviously they have no special pride of being Jat and no ambition to keep the bloodline pure. Thier choice, why should an outsider have a problem. Afterll, most of us, or those who are organising a Mahapanchyat, have never shared the other joys and sorrows of the family.
At the same time, the interference of Court is a serious matter. Tomorrow somebody may break all social norms and community traditions, to the detriment of the society. Certainly no civil court of India understands the Jat social traditions, and will invariably try to impose its own interpretatinos on the ciommunity. That is alarming.
The wider question before us is HOW TO ENSURE COURTS DO NOT INTERFER IN OUR SOCIAL TRADITIONS WHERE COMMUNITY INTERESTS ARE GENIUNLY THREATENED.
or HOW TO EDUCATE THE MODERNIST COURTS THAT THEY SHOULD MAKE AND EFFORT TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES ABOUT JAT COMMUNITY.
PS : Shouild we also ask for an independent Personal Law Board like the muslims ?
Dear all
Ram Ram. I am a late entrant to this debate and have not read mnost of the reacions. Still let me try to put forward a few things
Intercaste marriage is a personal and family choice. Wider society should not a have vehement opposition as long as established norms like not marrying witihn same village, or close family, etc are followed.
Feeling pride in Jat blood is a matter of inculcation by parents and elders. IOn this incident, the girl wants to marry and family has no opposition, obviously they have no special pride of being Jat and no ambition to keep the bloodline pure. Thier choice, why should an outsider have a problem. Afterll, most of us, or those who are organising a Mahapanchyat, have never shared the other joys and sorrows of the family.
At the same time, the interference of Court is a serious matter. Tomorrow somebody may break all social norms and community traditions, to the detriment of the society. Certainly no civil court of India understands the Jat social traditions, and will invariably try to impose its own interpretatinos on the ciommunity. That is alarming.
The wider question before us is HOW TO ENSURE COURTS DO NOT INTERFER IN OUR SOCIAL TRADITIONS WHERE COMMUNITY INTERESTS ARE GENIUNLY THREATENED.
or HOW TO EDUCATE THE MODERNIST COURTS THAT THEY SHOULD MAKE AND EFFORT TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES ABOUT JAT COMMUNITY.
PS : Shouild we also ask for an independent Personal Law Board like the muslims ?
sampuran said:
and then every caste follows the same? India will have 36000 Personal Law Boards? Are we unifying India or dividing India? Is India so week that one marriage is enough to break it or make us think about having a Personal Law Board? No wonder India is what our mentality is... We will keep wasting our time in proving our supremacy through talks and do very little to improve our society which is infected with so many ills. If there are people who draw pride in being called backward and getting reservations, by same logic there is nothing wrong with this Jat girl going a step forward and joining SC category to ensure reservations for her coming generations.
RK^2
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Ye biran log se... tu mere pe kicchad ger mei tere pe... ar yo sarkar mei bi to ye hi sanki posted hai sarey... mahapanchayat ka ke fayda if they cannot keep up with time... people are moving free in society now sarey ghumme ... mobile rakkhe chattin kare if u have given them this freedom them how can you stop on their feelings... ar Jat bi to OBC bange khud is case me Chamaar mhare te aggey hi hai. Then they wont feel insulted. Agar donno padhe likhe hai ar ghar chala sake to rehen do ya to pehle hi rokte. Bas mhari bejjati hogi ar kat do mar do apas mei gali galoch karke biran holo. You cant find a solution for them therefore. Even 50% of ppl married in same caste have insultin issues. Modern bi banenge ar dimag bi backward rakhenge. Waise bi to ye idhar udhar muh marte hai tab kaha ja inki samajik reputation.
I agree Jat marrying a jat girl for sure, par practical bi to bano. Bina markaat kare kam ni hotta ke? Fir bi to sarkar se sunai...
Jatto me bhya karo khus raho ... Sarey Jat bhai ek dusre ka sahyog karo ar apna naas na karo. Self respect high rakho. Bhai koi bura na maniyo meri kisi bat kaa...
Ye biran log se... tu mere pe kicchad ger mei tere pe... ar yo sarkar mei bi to ye hi sanki posted hai sarey... mahapanchayat ka ke fayda if they cannot keep up with time... people are moving free in society now sarey ghumme ... mobile rakkhe chattin kare if u have given them this freedom them how can you stop on their feelings... ar Jat bi to OBC bange khud is case me Chamaar mhare te aggey hi hai. Then they wont feel insulted. Agar donno padhe likhe hai ar ghar chala sake to rehen do ya to pehle hi rokte. Bas mhari bejjati hogi ar kat do mar do apas mei gali galoch karke biran holo. You cant find a solution for them therefore. Even 50% of ppl married in same caste have insultin issues. Modern bi banenge ar dimag bi backward rakhenge. Waise bi to ye idhar udhar muh marte hai tab kaha ja inki samajik reputation.
I agree Jat marrying a jat girl for sure, par practical bi to bano. Bina markaat kare kam ni hotta ke? Fir bi to sarkar se sunai...
Jatto me bhya karo khus raho ... Sarey Jat bhai ek dusre ka sahyog karo ar apna naas na karo. Self respect high rakho.
Bhai koi bura na maniyo meri kisi bat kaa...this is inhuman and cowadice act!
Dear Members,
I have a dear friend who incidently was born in Chamar family. He is a highly respected docter in his speciality and a superb human being.He has married with a jat girl and have two beautiful kids. Now i can't imagine my this friend going through all this **** of these khap panchayats like the poor guy in the present case.
To me, this act of so called mahapachayat is most inhuman and cowardice. Most deplorable act! These panchaytees are losers and suffering from sick mentality.
Sampuran bhai, perhaps you did not read the news report in the begining of the thread. The division bench of high court was headed by a jat justice K.S Grewal. So there is no reason for your apprehention that no civil court understand the general jat social traditions.
cheers!
Dear Members,
I have a dear friend who incidently was born in Chamar family. He is a highly respected docter in his speciality and a superb human being.He has married with a jat girl and have two beautiful kids. Now i can't imagine my this friend going through all this **** of these khap panchayats like the poor guy in the present case.
To me, this act of so called mahapachayat is most inhuman and cowardice. Most deplorable act! These panchaytees are losers and suffering from sick mentality.
Sampuran bhai, perhaps you did not read the news report in the begining of the thread. The division bench of high court was headed by a jat justice K.S Grewal. So there is no reason for your apprehention that no civil court understand the general jat social traditions.
cheers!
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prashantacmet
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If elders will instigate to youngers to do such shameful & disgusting act..............Destruction of Jat community is round the corner........... be prepare to see ur downfall...........
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sunitahooda
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Prashant....some of these JAT BOYS dont have the kind of respect....which may be that Chamar Boy has for that Jat Girl....and i dont need to mention here....hope you understood what i mean
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